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A natural disaster like this one, as painful as it might be, always offers the opportunity of reordering priorities and doing some hard re-thinking about where a society is at. Doesn't always happen. TAMIFLU FOR SALE, Just ask the folks in the lower 9th Ward of Nawlins.
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I just as much doubt, however, that this episode is going to be just some passing and unfortunate moment. Economic and social frustration has been mounting for years, creating great dissatisfaction with the centrist and timid administration of the last 20 years which has been loathe to radically reverse the free market policies of the Pinochet era. Four years ago when President Bachelet was elected she was almost immediately met by a massive student rebellion protesting the deplorable state of public education in Chile.
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Pinera has, nevertheless, promised jobs, jobs, jobs. Well, he certainly will have that opportunity in trying to rebuild a devastated land. The environment he will be operating in, however, will be quite volatile to say the least.
He's going to have to come through and come through big time given the current circumstances as there is no room, time or margin for error.
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Still tabulating the percentage who believes the world is flat (waiting for the late returns from Wasilla).
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Is everyone into game playing rather than getting something done. And then you wonder why Americans don't give two flips about politics.