A Walk in The Iraqi Park
I have to say that I am more disappointed each day with John McCain. As I’ve stated before, there was a time when I really would have expected more from the guy.
But his new –and I would say silly– tack of chiding Obama for not visiting Iraq frequently enough is really quite lame. Lame, and politically stupid.
Why would Johnny want to remind us all once again of his farcical visits to Iraq? If such junkets are supposed to bring policymakers closer in touch with realities on which they must develop political positions, then what did McCain think he accomplished when he took that stage managed stroll through a Baghdad market under the off-camera protection of a fleet of Blackhawks and a company of armed soldiers?
But, OK. McCain seems intent on tying the Iraq war policy around his campaign neck. Fine by me. Anchors aweigh!
May 30th, 2008 at 5:02 am
AP:
“Barack Obama is considering a visit to Iraq this summer, his first since becoming a presidential candidate.”
Score a point for McCain.
Har!
May 30th, 2008 at 7:07 am
McCain is likely not endorsing the war but showing Obama as someone who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. At some point, Obama has to quit pretending to live in the ’60s – talking peace, love, and dope – and start providing specifics. McCain may be smokinig Obama out as another John Kerry/Jane Fonda Democrat.
May 30th, 2008 at 9:14 am
Obama, Nov. 2002: “I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.”
John McCain: “I believe… that the Iraqi people will greet us as liberators.” (March 20, 2003)
“Saddam Hussein is on a crash course to construct a nuclear weapon.” (October 10, 2002)
“This conflict is… going to be relatively short.” (March 23, 2003)
“Only the most deluded of us could doubt the necessity of this war.” (August 30, 2004)
Yeah, Obama’s an idiot who doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about.
May 30th, 2008 at 9:26 am
Obama, May 19. Iran threat is “tinyâ€:
“Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, these countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union. They don’t pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us, and yet we were willing to talk to the Soviet Union at the time when they were saying we’re going to wipe you off the planet.”
Obama, May 20. Iran threat is “graveâ€:
“So, I’ve made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave.”
Depends on the audience and the needs of the news cycle, I suppose.
May 30th, 2008 at 9:29 am
Hey bob, you want “har” ? I’ll give you “har” on the John McCain campaign front.
Three words: Phil Gramm, UBS. (UBS has advised it’s people not to travel to the United States to avoid subpoenas.)
Of course, there’s always his gal Carly Fiorina as backup if McCain has to let Gramm go as economic advisor. She did a great job at HP – ask any shareholder.
May 30th, 2008 at 9:37 am
bob – you’re grasping at straws. Obama’s May 19 statement is accurate. His using the adjective “grave” in another context isn’t strange at all.
Intl’ Herald Tribune: “Let me be absolutely clear,” he said Monday in Billings, Montana, “Iran is a grave threat.” But it was not, he said, in a league with the former Soviet Union.
What about “not in a league with the former Soviet Union” don’t you understand. That’s a totally accurate statement – Iran, and it’s relative threat, are not comparable – “tiny” even. (Think about how many warheads the USSR had on ICBMs and the size of it’s land army, territory controlled, etc. You’d have to be a complete nutcase to argue with Obama’s point.)
If you want to start playing this gotcha semantics game with McCain vs. Obama, get ready to fall off of a very large cliff. McCain’s contradictory statments on everything from Iraq to domestic issues are rampant and substantive.
“Har!!!”
May 30th, 2008 at 9:38 am
You guys really don’t have shit these days, do you ?
Must be painful.
May 30th, 2008 at 10:09 am
bob – you’re grasping at straws. Obama’s May 19 statement is accurate. His using the adjective “grave†in another context isn’t strange at all.
I just don’t undeerstand. I have an open mind. Iam willing to listen while you make the case that the Iranian threat is “tiny” or even non existant. Or you cane make the case that it is “grave”. (I tend to fall somewhere in between, depending on what I had for breakfast, etc.)
But I have a hard time bilieving it is simultaneously grave and tiny. I think the better explanation is that Obama, on successive days, was making rhetorical points and contradicted himself. But perhaps this gaffe, too, will become part of the Obama Doctrine, unless Richardson and Biden can successfully walk him back from it.
May 30th, 2008 at 10:16 am
BTW, i’m starting to think the Michelle Obama “Whitey harague” video might actually exist.
This might be all academic.
May 30th, 2008 at 10:26 am
Try reading – he said that “these countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union” and that “they don’t pose a serious threat the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us.” You’re playing a game with words.
My last comment on this, since you’re obviously going into the dumpster with the Michelle Obama video fantasy.
As I said, you got nuthin.
Pretty lame.
May 30th, 2008 at 10:43 am
Just to be as clear as possible, if you really give a shit other than to act out some idiotic “gotcha” bullshit: I think the word “grave” was an overstatement if you use the most “grave” definition of “grave”, but basically it’s an adjective that means “serious.” He used it in a context in which he reiterated that the scale of an Iranian threat wasn’t comparable to the USSR. In both cases Obama made the obvious distinction between the kind of potential threat an Iran poses vs. the threat that the USSR posed – which was potentially “catastrophic, end-of-the-world, existential” etc. in terms of armed capacity.
The substantive point of both comments, which is the only thing that should matter to a serious person, is that the USSR posed a far greater danger to the the US and the world than Iran could dream of today and we had talks with them. One could argue that if a bad guy is tiny we can just bully our way with them precisely because they’re not as threatening as the USSR. That, of course, got us into the mess we’re in in Iraq – where Iran is undoubtedly more influential with the folks we’ve allowed to take power than we are. That might be a reason to negotiate with Iran, rather than assume we’re so powerful that we can force them to do what we want.
What part of this don’t you understand ? Oh, yeah. The part about McCain being a bloviating fool whenever he’s opened his mouth about Iraq (“the next six months will be a turning point” – starting back in ’03 – has been his stock “analysis) while claiming to have been a “critic” of the administration. With “critics” like McCain, who needs idiots who don’t know what the hell they’re talking about waging crackpot wars that have unintended consequences like giving Iran even more influence in the region ?
Okay – that was my last shot at injecting reason into this discussion. You can go search for the Holy Grail of a Michelle Obama video now. ‘Cuz you guys really need one.
May 30th, 2008 at 10:51 am
reg, selective quotes don’t make a case for you, and, if I want a truthful picture, I wouldn’t ask you to paint it for me. Obama has said plenty of stupid things. Would you like me to post them?
Instead, let’s go to the speech you quoted: “I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.”
See anything in there with which you would call a factual error and do you have no problem letting “butchers” run wild, if just against innocent people who aren’t us? Using Obama’s logic, the War Between the States shouldn’t have been fought by white people since they weren’t the slaves.
If you like quotes from people whom you have supported in the past, check this one. It hits the nail on the head about Obama. “I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002.” — Hillary Clinton
So, when will Obama go to Iraq? Obama Communications Director: If Barack Goes To Iraq It’ll Be To Plot A Withdrawal We’ll see. He’s going before that.
Also, Obama has problems with his stances on Iraq that he’s going to have to explain: Obama’s Iraq Minefield
There have been no terrorist attacks on American soil since 9-11 and the Iraq occupation. I don’t think that the same could have been said if we had followed the advice of Obama.
Obama is a light-weight, and our enemies would exploit that.
May 30th, 2008 at 10:56 am
Obama is a lightweight ?
You’re a goddam Bush supporter. I’m laughing my ass off.
May 30th, 2008 at 10:58 am
“reg, selective quotes don’t make a case for you”
Followed by a selective quote that is so selective in the context of the speech Obama was making that the mind boggles.
Woody, you’ve got nuthin. Come to think of it, you’ve pretty much always got nuthin. Rave on…
May 30th, 2008 at 11:02 am
Woody, how many terrorist attacks have there been and how many people have died BECAUSE of the Iraq war.
You’re really pissing me off with this crap. You’re truly a sick fuck if you think the Iraq war means more people have been safer and fewer have died. Really and truly nuts.
May 30th, 2008 at 11:04 am
And if we’re only counting Americans – which is detestable – more Americans have died BECAUSE of the Bush administration’s decision to invade Iraq then died at the hands of al Qaeda on 9/11.
So you can officially go fuck yourself with this nonsense.
May 30th, 2008 at 11:20 am
So, reg, you agree with the Obama speech that Hussein “repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.” And, to think that you called Bush a liar for saying those things. What does that make Obama?
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Obama really is an inexperienced lightweight, just like Pres. Kennedy was…and Truman. I want enemies to respect us rather than exploit the inexperience of our leaders.
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Terrorist attacks have occurred since the war, but those are part of the larger Islamic terrorist war on non-Muslims and the West, and those cowards don’t mind killing themselves and their own for the prize. Don’t blame us for their insanity and all the deaths.
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And, you are out of your head to say that I don’t have a problem with only non-Americans be killed. Good grief. We’re trying to end the war on terror throughout the world for everyone, and we have sacrificed American soldiers to do just that–with no help from your kind and your French friends.
Over time, terrorists would be trying to kill somewhere and just as much. Just be glad that President Bush has them doing it away from our shores and that we have taken the fight to them rather than let them put us through another 9-11. There’s nothing wrong with an appreciation for that.
May 30th, 2008 at 11:23 am
“with no help from your kind”
Kiss my ass – you’re a fucking yahoo who’s helped make the world worse with your shit politics.
May 30th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Woody:
Wow, you just spend your credibility like a drunk spends money in a bar–but you didn’t have too much to begin with if these comments are any indication.
The thing I’ve always hated about the right is how completely situaitonal their principles are. Kosovo? Aginst it. Why? Clinton. Iraq? for it. Why? Bush. I could go on in this vein endlessly. From interventions, to the credibility of sources, the acceptable reach of executive power, defecit spending, serving in the military, riding in tanks (vs. flying to an aircraft carrier), impeachment….there is just no end.
The contortions are truly amazing.
It’s frankly sickening.
May 30th, 2008 at 11:39 am
My dear friend John McCain (well, he keeps saying we are) made his offer to be Baghdad tour guide for Barack Obama with “evident condescension,” AP reported. One wonders the source of my dear friend’s cockiness on this subject, as he has demonstrated that he doesn’t know Sunnis from Shiites or an open market from an armed camp. In sum, he doesn’t know Iraq. Apparently my dear friend figures if he shares enough misinformation with Obama, Obama might come around to his way of thinking.
This hoped-for scenario is known as the blind leading the bright.
May 30th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
A visit by Obama to Iraq would be a political stunt. Unless it isn’t.
May 30th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
reg: “Obama is a lightweight ?
You’re a goddam Bush supporter. I’m laughing my ass off.”
This from a true believer in the Obamessiah…
Hey reg, we’re laughing at you and that says nothing about bush or mccain but says a lot about your belief in an empty suit.
May 30th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Nice try GM. Here’s how the empty suit’s doing today against the great military hero who gaffes every time he opens his mouth about Iraq:
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/obama_campaign_winning_todays.php
May 30th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
(from previous thread)
Better to be wacked than whacked, I always say…
May 30th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Another “experienced military man” McCain ooops…using Petraeus’ picture in his campaign lit.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/mccain_concedes_that_political.php
(Damn, I know that Michelle Obama video has got to be around here somewhere. )
May 30th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Despite his trips to Iraq, McCain doesn’t know basic mathematics.
May 30th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Yeah, let’s get petty. The troop levels in Iraq change weekly. The number of states in the U.S. haven’t changed in almost fifty years, and at last count there were not fifty-seven.
May 30th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
The troop levels in Iraq change weekly.
Since the surge began, troop levels have not gone down to the presurge levels. That’s a basic numerical fact that McCain and you apparently, are unaware of.
May 30th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Who’s counting…except left-wingers grasping at straws.
May 30th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Woody, you’ve got nuthin. Nuthin.
You’d be better off spending more time watching ESPN and less time sounding like an idiot on the “internets.”
May 30th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Apparently John McCain as he brought the subject up. As you do all too often, he’s busy demonstrating that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
May 30th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
This is good…the “empty suit”, “OBambi”, “neophyte” etc. etc. ad nauseum, is sure as hell not going to be a punching bag between now and November:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/30/1086950.aspx
May 30th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Nice try GM. Here’s how the empty suit’s doing today against the great military hero who gaffes every time he opens his mouth about Iraq:
Oh great, you toss up a far left blogsite as proof that the McCain candidacy is out of it because some yoyo uses a military man’s picture in an add? Ohhhh, geeee!!!
Is that all you’ve got? So, Obama’s consorting with the likes of Pflager, Wright, Ayers etc. is OK with you? Of course it is, you are an Obamaniac and anything the Obamessiah does is OK with you isn’t it dummkoph?
Well, I happen to agree that McCain is out of it and that has nothing to do with Talkleft. On the other hand, I can remember when you decried how the honest republican and maverick was treated.
Reg, your friggin head is as empty as obama’s suit. Moreso, at least his suit doesn’t have a world class vacum in it.
May 30th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Speaking of Gaffes reg… tell me again how many states Obama has visited? Tell me again the difference between Souix Falls and Souix City… Tell me again how 10,000 people died in a twister (it was 12 dummie) Tell me again how Arkansas is closer to Kentucky but Illinois on the border of Kentucky isn’t?… Tell me again how the Selma march propmted his parents to “get together” 4 years BEFORE the damn march occurred. Tell me again how Arabic speakers would be helpful in Pakistan where they speak Farsi and Pashto, languages OTHER THAN Arabic? Tell me again how the Obamessiah didn’t know anything about the Hanford nuclear dump despite voting on at least one defense bill on the site. Tell me again how he imagined a Life article about a black man mutilating himself trying to lighten his skin when Life didn’t publish such an article. Tell me again how his crazy uncle in the attic liberated Auschwitz. Tell me again how
May 30th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Putz
May 30th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
reg’s link to the obama paen on MSNBC: Obama says “”The American people have had enough spin.”
Bawahahahahahaha!!!!
May 30th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Gee, 5 comments in a row.. including this one… almost 1/100th as many as emptyheaded reg.
May 30th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Tell me again how a guy who claims Iraq as his number one issue doesn’t know the difference between Shiites and al Qaeda…
You’ve got nuthin.
Emptyheaded…and emptyhanded, if you’re yammering about Souix Falls vs. Souix City, or Buchenwald vs. Auschwitz.
Putz indeed,
Meanwhile, I wish you all the luck in the world with the right blogosphere’s project of revitalizing ideological conservatism and pushing it onto the GOP as the answer to their current electoral problems. I can’t imagine anything I’d like to see more than a GOP that embraces the perspective of, say, the good Senators from Oklahoma with a Brownback agenda thrown in for good measure. Where I donate to speed that turn of events ? Nothing like moving from ignominy to irrelevance. That would be welcome indeed.
May 30th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Tell me again how Arabic speakers would be helpful in Pakistan where they speak Farsi and Pashto, languages OTHER THAN Arabic?
How about I just tell you once that while Pashto is recognized as a regional language along with Baluchi, Dari, Multani, and Sindhi, the official national languages of Pakistan are Urdu and English. Farsi has no official nor regional status in Pakistan.
May 30th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Remind me again, GMR ? Is there anything you’ve been proven right about as regards Iraq in these discussions over the years ?
May 30th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Also, if you want to criticize Obama on the Arabic language comment, you might at least note that the relevant country is Afghanistan…
May 30th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
This is for you, GM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c
“Bawahahahahahah!”
May 30th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
reg –an Obama robot
May 30th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
You know, I know it, and the American people know it.
Bob Dole on McClellan
“There are miserable creatures like you in every administration who don’t have the guts to speak up or quit if there are disagreements with the boss or colleagues. …In my nearly 36 years of public service I’ve known of a few like you. No doubt you will ‘clean up’ as the liberal anti-Bush press will promote your belated concerns with wild enthusiasm. …if all these awful things were happening, and perhaps some may have been, you should have spoken up publicly like a man, or quit your cushy, high-profile job. That would have taken integrity and courage but then you would have had credibility and your complaints could have been aired objectively. You’re a hot ticket now, but don’t you, deep down, feel like a total ingrate?”
May 30th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
It is indeed great entertainment watching the wingnuts flitter from irrelevance to trifle to irrelevance betraying their obvious obsession with Obama. That they would kill to half a candidate with a fraction the political skill of Obama is transparent in that they hang on every word he says.
I wonder what it will be next week. First, it was Obama’s way too popular–scarey popular, so there must be something devious or dubious about him.
Then it was: Obama’s an elitist.
Then it was: Obama’s too weak to put Hillary out of her misery.
Then it was: Obama’s a communist.
Then it was: Obama’s an idiot.
What next???
May 30th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Holy shit! What’s going on with our conservative pals at this site? Complete meltdown. I guess this is just bile and angst at the notion that they are out in the political tundra for a minimum of the next eight years. Must suck. Try to exit with a touch of grace if possible. I’m not sure breaking your rattle is going to get you very far.
May 30th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Hamas endorses him.
May 30th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Marc, can we get an import of some fresh conservatives here? Tweedledee and Tweedledum are getting awfully boring. C’mon, you must have some smart conservative friends you can bring on board to make things interesting again. This is tedious and kind of pathetic.
May 30th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Yeah, and while you’re at it, Marc, get some liberal commenters unlike Kyle, who have something constructive to offer rather than just calling your conservative commenter names.
May 30th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
# GM Roper Says:
May 30th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Putz
Nice one, Tweedledee. Er, Dum.
May 30th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
“What’s going on with our conservative pals at this site? Complete meltdown. I guess this is just bile and angst at the notion that they are out in the political tundra for a minimum of the next eight years.”
“for a minimum” should perhaps be emphasized. George Packer’s latest article in the New Yorker makes the case that it will be measured in generations. The article definitely put a smile on my face.
May 30th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
David, great link. I love this line:
“But [Nixon's] Administration adopted an undercover strategy for building a Republican majority, working to create the impression that there were two Americas: the quiet, ordinary, patriotic, religious, law-abiding Many, and the noisy, élitist, amoral, disorderly, condescending Few.”
May 31st, 2008 at 5:23 am
Identity politics is the problem with the Democratic party. This moron from the Minnesota DFL, a founder of the feminist caucus there, is so determined to support Hilary, that she is attempting to start a petition to write in Hillary if Michigan and Florida are not seated.
She says:
“I don’t care,” Horbal said of the possibility that the move might cost Obama votes. She said she also would not be bothered if the write-in campaign indirectly helped elect John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee. “Let McCain clean it up for four years, and then we can have Hillary run again,” she said.
“This is a democracy. You cannot let two states not vote,” said Horbal, who lives in Columbia Heights and first gained DFL prominence as the party’s state co-chair in the late 1960s. She also served for nine years on the Democratic National Committee in the 1970s. “It’s more about democracy than anything else.”
She also said, however, that Clinton remains the better candidate: “This woman is ready, and Obama is not ready.”
“You have to do what you have to do,” she added.
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I honestly can’t figure these people out. They would, with all the gender equity, peace and justice, anti-racist positions they purport to hold, allow an anti-choice, Iran-bombing war monger get elected to make a point? They are as bad as the greens who ran a candidate against Wellstone. I’m starting to think they have no place in the party. That they are what is wrong with the party.
May 31st, 2008 at 9:22 am
Wouldn’t it be nice to elect a President who sides with our nation?
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BTW, in watching the Democrats discuss Florida and Michigan today, they’re the ones in meltdown. What a bunch of hysterical, loud nuts.
May 31st, 2008 at 9:33 am
Woody, you’re a complete idiot and a lying one at that. You guys have nuthin…so you’re making shit up.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/stance.asp
Talk about lightweights and empty suits…
May 31st, 2008 at 9:48 am
In the words of Dan Rather, it may be fake but it’s accurate.
May 31st, 2008 at 9:48 am
I think a meltdown is when you read obviously false emails, with quotes that could never have been uttered by a politician who wanted to make it past the next news cycle, and pass that along as criticism.
Unless of course you were joking. I think we can all agree to give you a take back and pretend this was a joke. Come on, just tell us you were joking.
Or maybe it was just a gaffe. We’ll call it your 100 years gaffe (or 57 states if that makes you happier), and forgive you.
But I refuse to believe you believed it. Can’t be true. Nope. I don’t accept it.
May 31st, 2008 at 10:37 am
Woody just sent me this email:
“Reg – I know I may sound like an idiot to you liberals, but I’m so locked in my tightly-wound belief system that I’ll say anything to defend it, no matter how preposterous, no matter how untrue, no matter how counter-factual, no matter how unencumbered by empirical evidence. So quit bothering me with your ‘facts.’ Unlike that little turncoat Scott McClellan, I’m not going to cut-and-run. This is my reality and I’m sticking with it. If it’s good enough for Hillary Clinton, it’s good enough for me. Plus, nobody’s offered me a book deal to admit I’ve been a fraud and GM Roper said he’d send some guys from Texas and I’d end up like Vince Foster if I don’t go along with the program.’ ”
Fake, but accurate.
May 31st, 2008 at 12:39 pm
I’m sorry, Reg. Is that a joke?
May 31st, 2008 at 1:08 pm
McCain is right to make an issue out of Iraq. I believe that whoever gets in as prez will realize that we cannot afford to be there. So..let’s not let Obama have a pass and lead his supporters into believeing he will end the war. I hear people all the time comment on how they will vote for Obama because he will bring troops home almost immediately. Our military leaders will tell the next prez that we’ve got to stay and have a presence there.
http://mtaricani.blogspot.com/
May 31st, 2008 at 1:55 pm
I think the Boston Review sums it up nicely:
President Bush now presides over that aforementioned disheartening trio—an unpopular war, a stunning budget deficit, and a deeply troubled economy. So it seems a potent moment for conservative soul-searching. Instead, conservatives have become today’s anti-empiricists, steadfast in ideology, unwilling to accept the fate of their own arguments—simply, loud and angry.
May 31st, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Kyle, the most eye opening line from that article is the part where he cited a Pew Research poll recently done around the country that shows that 60% of all Americans under 30 identify most with the Democrats…which is over double what Pew found in 2004. Thus, it seems logical that Packer would quote another guy (I can’t remember who) who said that presently, “unless you are wealthy or born-again, there is not much chance that you are a Republican.”
May 31st, 2008 at 4:15 pm
That last “quote” was a paraphrase from the article….I know those aren’t the article’s exact words.
May 31st, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Reg quoting Woody “I’m not going to cut and run.”
“Cut and Run”? Telling how Woody sees what he does – sitting on his bum in his air conditioned home typing on blogs – to fighting overseas with our soldiers.
You keep up that good fight, Woody. Sheesh.
May 31st, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Obama just cut and run from TUCC. I guess negotiations are out of the question.
May 31st, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Oh, this is too silly to be real.
Today’s Democratic National Committee Rules and Bylaws meeting:
Yelling and screaming.
Shut up!” one woman shouted at another.
“You shut up!” the second woman shouted back.
More yelling and screaming.
“We just blew the election!” a woman in the audience shouted.
Cheering and booing.
“This isn’t unity! Count all the votes!”
Screaming and screeching.
“Lipstick on a pig!” one shouted.
Huh?
Irate reactions.
“What Howard Dean Is Doing Now At the DNC is Worse Than Slavery”
At least they didn’t say f— you on CSpan, which they all do off camera.
Even more silliness. Do NOT believe it.
Sen. Barack Obama is leaving Trinity United Church of Christ, his longtime religious home in Chicago…
He just had to cut-and-run. He can always officially join the Black Muslims. But, this couldn’t be real. Obama would stick by principles rather than do someting like this for political reasons.
I’m glad that I learned that strange and crazy things about Democrats cannot be true.
May 31st, 2008 at 8:23 pm
What a great thread. The thing I really appreciate about the Left —-why I so much enjoy checking in here—is how much more civil and intelligent and learned and nuanced in its judgements the Left is, as compared to the Right.
I also admire how Leftists police their own precincts, how they refuse to tolerate hate-mongers and nut-jobs, how careful they are in coming to their mature, tolerant, thoughtful, erudite positions. How intolerant they are of intolerance!
Take Barack Obama, for instance. (Barack Obama–Good!!! John McCain — Bad!!!)
As a Harvard-trained lawyer, the last thing Barack would ever do would be to rush to premature judgement, before all the evidence comes in. You have to admire the way he spent twenty years gathering evidence at Trinity, before resigning, disinterestedly, on principle.
First he had to carefully consider the quality of preachment there and the kind of Ideas retailed.
Ideas like: the CIA invented Aids to kill black people, Calypso Louie is a great humanitarian, blacks have different brains than whites do
and so can’t sit in a chair and learn calculas, and that Hillary is a white supremacist, are all beguiling and amazingly subtle ideas, deserving of the most careful nuanced consideration.
And luckily for the Marc Cooper blog, it has a great Obama champion who can explain why Obama is a transformative kind of politician who can appeal to our better natures and bridge partisan and ideological chasms.
May 30, 11:02 am You’re really pissing me off with this crap. You’re truly a sick fuck…..
May 30, 11.04 am So you can officially go fuck yourself with this nonsense.
May 30, 11.23 am Kiss my ass – you’re a fucking yahoo who’s helped make the world worse with your shit politics.
June 1st, 2008 at 4:35 am
At least they didn’t say f— you on CSpan, which they all do off camera.
I think you’re confusing them with Bill O’Reilly.
June 1st, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Stott: To paraphrase Winston Churchill, I could quit saying “fuck”, but you’ll never stop being an idiot.