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It is typical of someone I suspect plays the infamous “race-card” when opportunities present themselves to refute a comment by invoking McCarthy’s name.

You are a rabid extremist who dares accuse others infinitely more reasonable and much less excessive of traits upon which you would appear to have a monopoly.

Anyway, sorry, Marc, about going off thread, I’ve been enjoying reading this debate, with one notable exception whose name I won’t mention but can be linked with a peppermint pattie your contributors put up informed and stimulating arguments and share a lot of good information.

I’ll behave.

“Useful Idiots,” in the context of John Moore’s blog and which you employed wrongly in an above comment, refers to the term Lenin used to describe western liberals, because western liberals like yourself were the ONLY conduit the USSR had to export communism to America. It was always liberals who joined the communist party.

Using the phrase to describe conservatives like GM and Woody is, therefore, ludicrous.

“The National Centre for Public Policy Research (NCPPR) is a US conservative think tank which advocates �free market solutions to today’s environmental challenges� on the basis that �private owners are the best stewards of the environment.� The NCPPR has set up a website, EnviroTruth.org, which has the expressed aim of �injecting badly needed truth into the debate about our environment.� … However, the NCPPR, and specifically the EnviroTruth website, have received funding from oil company ExxonMobil, which must appreciate the research denying climate change. ExxonMobil has also given funding to sources used by Envirotruth: the Science and Environmental Policy Project (SEPP), and Dr Fred Singer, as �an active contributor in the battle against the ‘politicization’ of science� through the Hoover Institution and Atlas Economic Research.”

The “controversy” concerns the McKittrick paper who is a not a climate scientist. So it’s not a within the paradigm debate. It’s amateurs versus the scientists. That’s not the debate you described CT. Michael Mann and realclimate respond to this tiff at the website no one here will visit: because it’s not a wingerville site. That’s very telling in itself.

“The National Centre for Public Policy Research (NCPPR) is a US conservative think tank which advocates �free market solutions to today’s environmental challenges� on the basis that �private owners are the best stewards of the environment.� The NCPPR has set up a website, EnviroTruth.org, which has the expressed aim of �injecting badly needed truth into the debate about our environment.� … However, the NCPPR, and specifically the EnviroTruth website, have received funding from oil company ExxonMobil, which must appreciate the research denying climate change. ExxonMobil has also given funding to sources used by Envirotruth: the Science and Environmental Policy Project (SEPP), and Dr Fred Singer, as �an active contributor in the battle against the ‘politicization’ of science� through the Hoover Institution and Atlas Economic Research.”

The “controversy” concerns the McKittrick paper who is a not a climate scientist. So it’s not a within the paradigm debate. It’s amateurs versus the scientists. That’s not the debate you described CT. Michael Mann and realclimate respond to this tiff at the website no one here will visit: because it’s not a wingerville site. That’s very telling in itself.