Anti-Americans Stage Largest Campaign Rally in American History
Some 100,000 determined anti-Americans, pro-terrorist factions, militant pro-choice women, anti-Wall Street fanatics, Negroes, drug-hazed youth, and other anti-social elements coalesced today in St. Louis around Arab Muslim leader Barack Hussein Osama in what police estimated was the largest political rally in American history.
Meanwhile, Real Americans from isolated pro-American pockets like Johnstown, Pennsylvania staged their own stirring counter-rally and voiced the highest moral sentiments embodied in the U.S. Constitution:
October 18th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
It would be really nice to see some major figure on the right come out and state unequivocally that the behavior of those in Johnstown is abhorrent and has no place in this country. Unfortunately, they have been sowing this behavior for far too long.
October 18th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Simply put and my same mantra since Jan of this year!
Welcome President Barack Obama!
At the least this man can make us “feel good” and too bad he cannot be voted on globaly, as most of the thinking parts of the planet also know and want him — I have no trepidation or superstition in saying he is hands down our next president — and as an Atheist will invoke God as well to say – from our thoughts/lips to Gods ears……
Now to endure the next two weeks, and to never have to hear/to stop hearing the maniac/depressive/mean/dual personality/old fart ass and from The Crypt McCain —
Have a good weekend to everyone reading this blog.
October 18th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
I hope people hold Obama’s feet to the fire and don’t write him a blank check to implement a kinder gentler imperialism. I harp on this point and often the Obama cargo cult replies by talking about “impossibilities” etc.
Be realistic, demand the impossible. What I mean is that if there was ever a time for a fundamental restructuring of American society, it is now, and if there was ever a politician who by virtue of liking power and being decent, if cautious, who would respond well to real grassroots pressure outside of traditional Democratic party structures, it would be Obama. Yet it is still Austin Goolsbee who is represetning him on economic issues? Where are the Obamites calling for the likes of Robert Pollin or Michael Hudson to advise Obama? Neither Pollin nor Hudson are Marxists (Marx inflouenced maybe, btu certainly not socialists) yet they have a far more critical lens and don’t tend to naturalize “embedded liberalism” like Goolsbee. Then take foreign policy…why is it that no one complains about Biden’s partionism and suggest fully mainstream reasonable people like Bacevich to advise Obama? Where is the groundswell of people who will actually push Obama to the Left?
October 18th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
As I watching the YouTube video of the Joe SixPacks in Pennsylvania I was wondering which one is Woody?
October 18th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Jcummings: your points are why Nader gave one of the most impressive speeches I have ever heard, yesterday, in front of Wall Street.
He said everything a sane, thinking person would want said. And he has the experience and intellectual balls to back it up.
If his speech had been able to get prime time airing he would win the election.
Think Tom Paine.
I believe there are some groups gathering impetus to lobby Obama to adopt the sustainable solutions such as on health care.
Progressive advocacy groups should have been forming coalitions and combining overhead and strategies to form a hit list of pressures once O man gets in. Without a grass roots uptake its gonna be the usual failures.
Squeaky wheel gets the grease. If you want “change” think mouse mode.
October 18th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
“Where is the groundswell of people who will actually push Obama to the Left?”
I guess they were busy staying home during the Canadian elections.
October 18th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Oh jesus. The ‘internets’ are just knee deep in maverick silliness:
http://www.palinaspresident.us/
(go ahead and give your mouse a run through Palin’s white house)
October 18th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
The Left vote is split in Canada, and unfortunately all to many ultra-leftists don’t vote at all. The Left is powerful – even hegemonic – in cities – but on a federal level is fractured and has shitty leadership.
October 18th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Obama outdraws McCain because Republicans are working.
October 18th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
To be fair, what appears to be happening is there’s a line of people going to the Palin rally, and there are pro-Obama and/or anti-Palin people demonstrating across the street, and the Palin people are yelling at the demonstrators. Or am I wrong? If that’s the case, you don’t know that their might be some provocation, or just high feelings that arise from conflict. Of course, that wouldn’t make anybody paste an Obama bumper sticker on a monkey doll.
October 18th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
44 years ago when I was 18 we staged a CORE protest at almost exactly the spot Obama was speaking, shutting down construction of the Gateway Arch in a job discrimination action. Percy Green and another guy commandeered the elevator used to access what was at that time the existing “top” of the built Arch, but which would now be about the midpoint. The picture is taken from the POV of the archway. The Old Courthouse clearly visible in the background is where the state supreme court leg of the Dredd Scott decision, which reinforced the institution of chattel slavery even if a slave fled to a free state, came down. (Today the old courthouse is a terrific museum/landmark – the last time I visited, about a year ago, I ran into a bunch of African students studying at a Catholic college in western Illinois, taking in the Dredd Scott exhibits.) That picture of the Obama rally on the St. Louis riverfront is incredible to me…literally brings tears to my eyes.
October 18th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
“Obama outdraws McCain because Republicans are working.”
I work on Saturdays, but I have never heard of Republicans having to work (or wanting to work) on a Saturday. Try again.
October 18th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
“As I watching the YouTube video of the Joe SixPacks in Pennsylvania I was wondering which one is Woody?”
Gotcha covered dude:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.landcareresearch.co.nz/research/biosystematics/invertebrates/invertid/images/AmericanCockroach1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.landcareresearch.co.nz/research/biosystematics/invertebrates/invertid/bug_details.asp%3FBu_Id%3D73&h=332&w=250&sz=29&hl=en&start=4&um=1&usg=__z16E7vmN-cjgs3qw6wdAPKTCKX4=&tbnid=iwUAQoEA64HgxM:&tbnh=119&tbnw=90&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcockroach%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DX
October 18th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
The worst thing about this McPalin strategy of desperation is that, assuming Obama is elected, there would have been a significant part of the electorate who would have had some troubles dealing with it, at the level of their irrationality and maybe even against their better natures. McPalin’s ugly endgame is designed for nothing more or less than to make this piece of the next chapter in American history worse, not better. It’s not going to win them the election, although I’m sure that’s their rationalization for doing it. These are very bad goddamed people. No more. No less. They’re taking their suckers for an even worse ride than was already destined. Obviously they hold these poor bastards – like “Joe the Plumber” in utter contempt. Joe and the folks who are even more ill-informed and bigoted than he is (“tap dancing like Sammy Davis Jr.) are going to end up as the used condoms of the McPalin campaign. Sad.
October 18th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Could we try a little Tinyurl here…
October 18th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
David, when you run a company, you are always at work–often times waking at three in the morning thinking about how to deal with problems, of which those involving employees are the worst. I know this from experience.
The story below might illustrate how much business owners have to do in comparison to those from so-called “working families” looking for government mandates on businesses like higher minimum wages and more government handouts.
Seeing how hard Republicans work and how much they are expected to pay for everyone else, maybe they are stupid. Just wait until the high wage earners are finally taxed so much that they give up and the gravy train stops for lazy workers and dead-beat Obama rally participants.
Now, leave me alone. I’m watching the ALCS between the Red Sox and Rays, which has more viewers than the Obama rally.
October 18th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Today the McPalin campaign explicitly put forward the notion that the “real Virginia” was that part which is “more Southern in nature.” I get it. The part that identifies with the South’s historic treachery and anti-Americanism of the Confederacy and its violent assault not just on the Repubic but on the very notion of himan rights. Who the fuck are the “anti-Americans”, the terrorists and those who are still, nostalgically, mired in a legacy of violence against our country and against fellow Americans in this ideological pigfuck ? Who flies the flag of secession and who has had to enforce the Bill of Rights in this region ? What a sick crowd. The pathologies are palpable.
October 18th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
“Now, leave me alone.”
No probs. You are very, very alone.
October 18th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Question I wouldn’t ask were I Woody:
“Who’s the half-wit here ?”
October 18th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
“Today the McPalin campaign explicitly put forward the notion that the “real Virginia” was that part which is “more Southern in nature.””
They also had Hank Williams Jr rewrite and perform one of his songs for them. The same Hank who once sang, “If the South woulda won, we’da had it made!”
October 18th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
I fucking hate Hank Jr. His dad was awesome – plaintive, heartrending and profound. But the Jr. asshole just reeks of arrogant, bullshit swagger. A total dick. Charlie Daniels is another one. If we’re looking at cultural touchstones for the “Southern nature” bluegrass great Ralph Stanley is in the true vein of the people in that part of Virginia Palin’s pimpin’ and he’s an Obama supporter.
October 18th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
Woody is very (ruling) class concious. From his own admittedly ruling class point of view, he is actually working in his own interests. Pity working class Americans aren’t as concious of their interests as Woody is.
October 18th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Ditto the gentleman @ 6:51pm…
Here’s a two-fer; June Carter & Hank Williams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLFfHRTA9mc&feature=related
October 18th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
Thanks Reg for pointing out that Hank Jr. (“Are we ready for some football on ABC”) is so far removed from his poetic and humble father that it is quite possible that the younger was adopted. Hank Sr. was proud of the fact that he learned to play guitar from a local blues legend; his son on the other hand is so white and reactionary that even Barry Manilow is a pimp in stark comparison.
October 18th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Don’t forget about Johnny Cash, Tom T. Hall, Kris Kristoferson, Willie Nelson, Lefty Frizell, Billy Jo Shaver, and Alabama. More too that I can’t remember off the top of my mind.
October 18th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
Crap, SNL actually let her on. Good job legitimizing her, morons.
October 18th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
W…
“The Age and Hour Department Department”, as you claim…hmmm..never heard of it. I guess yet another folksy sounding piece of B.S. you’ve pulled out of your butt (haven’t experienced that from you, or your party….sheesh…).
BTW, I too am watching this 4-2 masterpiece by my fellow Irishmen. And I am posting comments. I guess it is hard for you Republicans (especially McCain) to multi-task.
October 18th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Reg,
SNL has never been funny. SCTV was way better.
October 18th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
I’m watching the ALCS between the Red Sox and Rays, which has more viewers than the Obama rally.
Wholly shit! No kidding?! More people watch playoff baseball on television than go in person to an Obama rally with the largest crowd in the history of political rallies?? I. do. not. be. lieve. it.
October 18th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Great lede. Great blog. Great everything.
October 18th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
David: I guess it is hard for you Republicans (especially McCain) to multi-task.
Au contrair. (Obama told me to learn a new language while I put air in my tires.) Besides watching the Bosox win, I watched two football games and prepared a corporate tax return at the same time. I told you that I was always working.
In looking at Marc’s picture above, I noticed that most of the crowd had their hands out, which explains why they weren’t at work or looking for jobs.
October 18th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
Please, Woody, take a week off. Your insults are getting tired.
October 18th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
Woody,
I thought we agreed that once I outed your “masculinity issues” that there would be no further need to post your bitch slap comments.
Remember…you were going to try and practice sounding like a man.
And as I suspect you spent a lot of time with Mummy I bet she taught you that if you don’t say have anything constructive or interesting to say–then don’t say anything at all.
I think you need a time out, Woody.
October 18th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Liddy love
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-bernstein/ayers-and-the-mccain-g-go_b_134256.html
One to keep in your pocket next time some cretin goes off on Obama’s associations..
October 18th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
Never forget
October 18th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
More pix from the local paper –
http://stltoday.mycapture.com/mycapture/folder.asp?event=617178&CategoryID=38932&view=1
In a racially polarized city like STL, this level of turnout at Obama’s rally means a great deal — it’s much more than symbolic.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:33 am
“Seeing how hard Republicans work and how much they are expected to pay for everyone else, maybe they are stupid. Just wait until the high wage earners are finally taxed so much that they give up and the gravy train stops for lazy workers and dead-beat Obama rally participants.”
“In looking at Marc’s picture above, I noticed that most of the crowd had their hands out, which explains why they weren’t at work or looking for jobs.”
I know Woody is just looking to rile someone up but, is this what republicans really think of democrats? Being constantly surrounded by people who lean pretty far to the left all my life, and now living in Europe, I’m still shocked by people who say things like this.
October 19th, 2008 at 6:41 am
Woody, its au contraire. So in language as in other matters, your ignorance only continues to grow.
Woodys people:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itEucdhf4Us&feature=related
October 19th, 2008 at 6:53 am
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Dallas_Billionaire_McCain_donor_is_antiObama_groups_backer.html?showall
oh man, get out the voo doo doll. and railroad spikes.
upside is this vile man spent all that money for NOTHING!
October 19th, 2008 at 7:10 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQalRPQ8stI&feature=related
Hilarious video of McCain marchers running the gauntlet in a Manhattan street.
According to the right wing caption the number of fingers being flipped at the demonstrators was equal to the number of PHd’s in the neighborhood.
Thats what I love about the right is they always turn an attempted insult onto themselves.
October 19th, 2008 at 7:26 am
Francheska, yes I really believe what I said about Democrats. I do. I’ve lived long enough to see that political party for what it is.
I’m not saying it to get a rise out of anyone. In fact, I wish that no one replied to my comments, because the attacks here are generally stupid or lack defendable merit. Don’t even respond to this.
The Democrats include two major components–stupid, lazy voters wanting something handed to them that they don’t want to earn on their own and dishonest politicians who take advantage of those same voters to fulfill a lust for power.
Democrats don’t have principles. They attack their own nation and convince people that we are bad to stir up dissatisfaction, and then they promise to “spread the wealth” by taking from the productive side of society. The Democratic Party thrives on envy and hate–and stupidity. Good job on those teacher union run, government schools, guys.
For non-monetary associated votes, Democrats lower societal standards by catering to immoral groups with promises of laws for special funding and benefits.
Come to think of it, the motivations of Democratic candidates applies to most journalists, too, who are left-wing–just cater to like minded idiots so as to feel important about “making a change.”
I’ve had enough of their change, and I don’t want America to be like Europe. People have come to the U.S. from other countries for over two-hundred years for freedom and opportunity. Now, those incentives will be gone after we become the anti-business, weak on defense, tax and spend welfare state that the Demorats push.
For us who love what has been great about America, there is no where left to go. All the good lands have been taken over. We can’t leave a ruined country like we ran to the suburbs from cities that Democrats ran down. We can’t hold onto our hard-earned money, because the Democrats use the force of the gun (while trying to take ours away) to confiscate that money. Universities teach our kids to reject parental and religious values in favor of “enlightened” views, that have proven fatal to civilizations over the millenniums.
I reject the big-government, nanny state and wish that the people who want it would let the rest of us keep this last place to live in peace and freedom.
It’s too bad that the masses don’t know more about history and Western Civilization to appreciate what we have and to not cause us to face the same fate of other nations, destroyed from within.
It’s too bad that true patriotism, held by conservatives, may be lost once Democrats change this nation into something not worth loving and fighting for.
Now, I better stop before G.M. reads this and tells me that I’m wasting my time again. He’s right, but I wanted to explain to you why I feel about Democrats the way that I do.
So, that’s it. I pray that people wake up and appreciate what we have before it’s too late. God bless America–and, forgive us for turning away from Your guiding hand.
October 19th, 2008 at 8:05 am
McCain is finished…Colin Powell just endorsed Obama.
October 19th, 2008 at 8:07 am
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/index.php?id=12401
Interesting side bar on the McCain clan that seems to include both black and white relatives and a host of cousins etc that repudiate McCain.
October 19th, 2008 at 8:40 am
Terrific piece, Marc. Add Colin Powell to the list of anti-American radicals.
Actually, I think more people turned out for Obama in Denver. But they couldn’t all get into 85,000-seat Mile High Stadium.
October 19th, 2008 at 8:54 am
How to increase the number of registered Republicans in California? out and out deceit appears to be the way:
A firm hired by the Republcian party is engaged in registration fraud. Pot, kettle, black.
October 19th, 2008 at 9:59 am
Just in the interest of historical accuracy….
Marc: Some 100,000 determined anti-Americans, pro-terrorist factions, militant pro-choice women, anti-Wall Street fanatics, Negroes, drug-hazed youth, and other anti-social elements coalesced today in St. Louis around Arab Muslim leader Barack Hussein Osama in what police estimated was the largest political rally in American history.
Larger Anti-American Rallies:
April 24, 1971 – Vietnam War Out Now rally. 500,000 call for end to Vietnam War.
September 19, 1981, Solidarity Day march. AFL-CIO organized march to protest Reagan Administration labor and domestic policies. 260,000 march.
April 25, 1993 – March on Washington for Lesbian, Gay and Bi Equal Rights and Liberation. Organizers estimated 1,000,000 attended the March, but the National Park Service estimated attendance at 300,000.
October 16, 1995 – Million Man March.
April 25, 2004 – March for Women’s Lives – pro-choice march; between 800,000 and 1,100,000.
If liberals could turn marching into paying jobs, they would have a lot of money that they earned.
P.S. Yeah, Randy, the Republicans are trying to steal the State of California. Really logical.
That’s all.
October 19th, 2008 at 10:26 am
Randy, not only is the YPM founder and
Republican Party vender you noted
embroiled in voter registration fraud,
according to at least one of his contractors,
he doesn’t pay his bills
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/218/RipOff0218310.htm
October 19th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Woody
Having helped organize the 1971 Vietnam War Out Now Rally in 1971, Im aware that it — and other such rallies– turned out more than 100,000. What happened in St Louis was the largest CAMPAIGN rally that anyone is aware of.
I never respond to your political comments as I find them mostly pointless and vindictive. Also, they are so far out of the mainstream, it is gard to tell at time how much of what you write is merely satire. But to imagine that people are lazy because they merely vote Democratic is simply sad. I know plenty of the laziest, ne’er do well fat ass greediest people around me vote Republican. I’m also going to take personal offense if you don’t mind. Because I have plenty of people in my own family who work like devils and vote Democratic. Why dont you can such cheap stigmatization of people with whom you simply disagree.
You realize, of course, that if even half of what u say is true, then your beloved America would be the most fucked up place in the world. A full falf or more of the USA would be populated with disloyal, stupid, lazy sheep who are ready to sell the country out to terrorsists and tax them selves to death. Do you really have such a LOW view of Americans?
Just as an historical footnote, this sort of loathing for the American people you demonstrate is exactly the attitude that inspired the Weatherman. Back in the 60′s when other sectors of the left fancied themselves fighting for the interests of common Americans, the Weathermen argued that those same Ameicans were selfish, lazy, spoiled and were living off the labor of had working poor people around the world. At one pont, the Weathermen adopted the Maoist slogan of Serve the People to read Serve the People, SHit!
You would have fit in perfectly. You have the same scorn for half of america as ayers did.
I dont know whether to eel happy or sad for you because of the coming Democratic tsunami. I suspect the proper response is happiness– I think you wil relish your role feeling oppressed and ripped of by an administration supported by shiftless characters as Obama and Colin Powell and all those other welfare cheats and layabouts.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
18.
I just saw something on This Week that convinced me the mind-rot among conservatives is deeper than even I would want to see. In the wake of the Colin Powell endorsement, George S asked George Will what it meant. George Will – arguably one of the smartest of GOP analysts – proceeded to address precisely nothing – not the implications of the nation’s most authoritative military figure of the past quarter century endorsing O, not the implications of a major Bush administration figure endorsing O, not the implications of a major representative of a (mythical) kinder, gentler, more competent GOP endorsing O – yes, Nothing…EXCEPT how Obama’s race helped him with voters who wanted to feel good about themselves. This is what Colin Powell finally gets reduced to in his own ranks – Just Another Black Guy (and they stick together, don’t they?) Truly obnoxious and, I thought, remarkably lacking in – if nothing else – even a tiny bit of self-awareness, even for George Will.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Gee, Marc. I wish that you hadn’t responded to me, especially in the way that you did, because now I have to discredit your remarks.
It’s funny to think that a socialist/Marxist like youself would find my views “out of the mainstream.” If you’re mainstream, then we’re too late to save this nation.
Marc: to imagine that people are lazy because they merely vote Democratic is simply sad.
You have cause and effect reversed, Marc. People aren’t lazy because they vote for Democrats. Rather, they vote for Democrats because they are lazy. You can bet that the stupid, unemployed people signed up by ACORN aren’t voting Republican.
Now, understand that it’s not “disagreement” that causes me concern with Democrats. I disagree with people on other topics. However, this one has severe and long-lasting effects on my life and those of my kids. I would say that doing something “for the children” justifies outrage to those who would force them into a socialist society.
And, Democrats are not Americans who would tax “themselves” to death. They want to tax “other Americans” to death–which never means them. Liberals are particularly generous with other people’s money, and they are big on being envious of people who do something with their lives.
Just wait until Obama supporters don’t get all of their promised tax cuts and wealth re-distribution, after all the Obama spending programs are passed. Why, just pretending to solve the phony problem of “global warming” would cost trillions of dollars and millions of jobs. I’m sure that Obama already has an excuse made up for this.
Regarding the Weathermen, their problems weren’t with people like me. Their problems were with themselves and their twisted views. They weren’t victims. They were terrorists who refused to respect America and our laws. I guess that you view people like me as to blame for 9-11, huh? Do you excuse Islamic terrorists by blaming decent Americans as easily as you do 60′s and ’70′s radicals?
And, Bill Ayers and I don’t have anything in common. At least I would be sorry today for bombings and murders if they were in my past.
Oh, since Obama claims to only have brief associations with Bill Ayers, you might want to check out Obama’s review of an Ayers’ book and see that they also shared an office for three years. I guess Obama “forgot.”
Your first sentence said “largest political rally,” which is what I what I referenced, unless you don’t consider marches on Washington to be political.
You should feel sorry for me and for hard working, decent Americans if Obama is elected. The work of our forefathers, who founded this nation on freedom and a vision for a great nation, will be undone when the Democrats turn it into a big government, European style, welfare state that controls all aspects of life.
Please study Roman history for a little more insight. We’ve seen your plans before, and they failed.
Now, please forgive me if I don’t respond to any more of your attacks. Just like Joe the Plumber learned, people who aren’t in the Obama camp find out how vicious the left-wing can be–and wrong.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
“Do those Ohio residents, or the Florida Palin supporter who snapped “Sit down, boy,” or that angry man in Louisiana who wants to “keep the nigger out of office” represent today’s America?
Or are they part of a dwindling breed of die-hards who have seen their best days? I believe they are the latter.
But we, and the rest of the world, will know more on Nov. 4.”
From the Colbert King article Marc linked to. What is the implication, there folks? That if Obama loses then racism must be the reason, perhaps? Why is that not just as offensive as what George Will said, reg?
Is it possible to vote against Obama and NOT be a racist? Is it possible to vote for Obama and not be motivated by race identity or white guilt?
October 19th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Don’t you just love the faux right-wing victimhood?
October 19th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
what is fascinating is that rather than the country being incited and overrun with reactionary fervor as it was during Bush and the McCarthy era– a backlash is in effect. The extreme right knows its loosing traction and in response becomes more extreme driving the vermin to expose themselves. This has actually caused thousands of normal Republicans to ditch and come over to Obama with loads of iconic conservative pundits endorsing Obama. So the collective gears are switching. But of course thats when the final ideological clash will be fought.
So the more the Woodys (and Minnesota House Rep loony Bachmanns) squeal like a stuck pig (and in Woody’s case, a pig with lipstick) we know we are closer to a solid shift in the collective to once and for all rid itself of this degenerate gene.
An organic self cleansing is occuring. A die off like when certain anti bacteria protocols are undertaken the dying spores create havoc for a while in the system.
These next few years are going to be rife with polarization as these vermin expire and or convert.
October 19th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Woody: So I was right. You do feel sorry feel yourself. That’s quite amazing. Look around yourself and count your blessings and you think you are on the short stick of things in America? Or worse, that you’re now gonna become some sort of victim because the Democrats will be in power? Wow! If only the Democrats had that much ambition. You’re a CPA, dude. Do some research and see under which party the stock market has historically done better (the Dems). Were u in a gulag during the Clinton administration? Were your earnings expropriated by Hillary? If I’m not incorrect, the marginal tax rate went up by about 2% in the top category — and was still MUCH lower than it was under your heroes Reagan and Nixon.
One place we agree is that we don’t much like Democrats. You however hate and fear and stigmatize them. I think they’re too much like Republicans.
But here’s something to think about as you begin a prolonged spell of victimhood and pouting:
If the Democrats are so feckless (and I pretty much agree) how is it then they have won the sympathies of enough of the electorate to stage the sort of electoral tsunami all rational people expect in November?
Answer: the gross incompetence, hubris and general fucked-upness of the last 8 years. Two unresolved and troublesome wars, a bankrupt treasury, billions of handouts to a crashed corporate financial system, 7% unemployment, a a drop in real wages and record foreclosures. That doesn”t include for those of us who are soft headed enough to cherish democratic and constitutional values the legalization of torture, the chipping away at habeas corpus, the Oval Office occupied by a C minus student who boasts of not reading, and a presidential candidate who has picked a certifiable, screeching nitwit as running mate in time of war. If this all had happened on a Democratic watch, you would be gleefully crying “treason.” Instead, you lash out and attack the 50% or more Americans who are tired of this. You accept no responsibility for the swamp in which your party has submerged. None. Sero. Zip. I would call that intellectual welfare, my friend. You want a free pass and accept NO individual or collective responsibility. The American people aren’t lazy. They’re disgusted.
if you want to know why the bass-ackwards Democrats are on the verge of victory, you need only take a glance in the mirror. The politics you blithely defend have mobilized millions of more Democrats this year than any Barack Obama. Congratulations. Mission Accomplished.
I say this with no edge, anger or animosity. You are always welcome on this blog — no matter how delusional your point of view. We will need minority voices like yours in the years to come– provided jack-booted Federal Troops led by Bill Ayers don’t come to take you and yours away to a San Francisco Gulag. (After, that is, they have texed you into bankruptcy and forced your children into mixed race homosexual marriages!).
October 19th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
P.S. Woody.. if you know were Joe the Plumber actually lives you might call the Ohio tax authorities. Last we read he was a deadbeat who owed $1100 in state taxes. Why should hard-working folks like you and me have to make our tax obilgations while paying for layabouts like him? Why don’t you tell him to stop pissing away his time at political rallies of candidates he doesnt even support and get his ass back to work so he cam pay his taxes like you and I do? Joe The Deadbeat.
October 19th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Oh, since Obama claims to only have brief associations with Bill Ayers, you might want to check out Obama’s review of an Ayers’ book and see that they also shared an office for three years. I guess Obama “forgot.”
Actually, all it shows is that they shared an address for Obama’s role as chairman of the board of directors of the CAC. Do you know how much time Obama actually spent working on a daily basis there? I can’t imagine it was too much as he was a full time attorney during the period.
In addition, according to Wikipedia, the CAC Board met monthly for the first six months and quarterly thereafter for the life of the grant. So there was no daily contact as you seem to imply.
October 19th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
John McCain’s Oregon campaign manager actually sheltered Ayers in the early 70s. McCain also heroically collaborted with the Vietnamese revolutionaries.
October 19th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
“Please, Woody, take a week off. Your insults are getting tired.”
Jesus People, don’t you EVER get tired of your crap.
Woody, you are coming close to being certifiably insane for keeping coming around this hive of obamabots… next thing you know you will be absorbed into the borg!
October 19th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
P.S. Yeah, Randy, the Republicans are trying to steal the State of California. Really logical.
Notwithstanding the fact that your provided zero evidence to refute anything I wrote, your response is just more evidence of your piss-poor reading comprehension. From the same article:
Marc is absolutely right when he makes this comment:
You have not only accepted no responsibility, but in your’s and your side’s ovine obeisance to anything the Bush administration has done, you have aided and abetted the miserable condition in which our nation now finds itself. Shame on you.
Woody, you are coming close to being certifiably insane for keeping coming around this hive of obamabots…
You and the other Palindrones should spare us your groundless condescension or at least remove the mote from your own eye. You opposed John McCain until he picked Sarah Palin: a candidate whose husband belonged to a secessionist party, who believes geographical proximity confers foreign policy experience, who has no fear of rifles, shotguns and handguns, but lacks the courage to answer questions at a press conference, who has been found to abuse the power of her office for personal reasons and used said power – along with her unelected husband – to further a personal agenda.
It doesn’t take a genius to see that the country is in a mess – and your side made it that way. You just have to be a sentient human being not engaging in baldfaced denial.
October 19th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
“you are coming close to being certifiably insane for keeping coming around this hive of obamabots”
This, again, is coming from a man who posted this deranged and pathetic screed..
GM ““To say Mr. Obama is not ready for the presidency is a gross understatement. It is not simply that he lacks experience … it is also that he repudiates traditional American values and culture by embracing Marxist ideology, has been an acolyte of black racist theology, cuddled up with the anarchist activism of Saul Alinsky, and even worse … the man is simply and irrevocably dishonest. There is nothing about Barack Obama that may cause us to think he honors American tradition, or shares with us our time-honored values. Significantly, a man who works to undermine our education system through socialist engineering is a man who seeks to destroy America.
If the American people elect this man to the presidency, he will certainly destroy the cultural and political fabric of the United States, and when he has finished his work, none of us will recognize what he has left behind: The People’s Socialist Republic of the United States.”
October 19th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Marc, you have illustrated that government can really mess up. Both parties do it. Bush fouled up. He didn’t veto big spending bills that he should have. But, he had to take a lot of actions and handle problems that we have as a result of inaction by Clinton (Iraq) and the Democrats (CRA/economy).
I agree that government fails, and big government fails bigger. That’s why I think it should be smaller and allow more local control and individual freedom–and require more personal responsibility. There are no lessons better than experience.
In looking at party choices, I don’t like the Republicans, I really don’t like the Democrats, Cynthia McKinney is a Green communist, Bob Barr’s Liberatarian Party is not acceptable, Ralph Nader is anti-business, Curtis Lemay was the only good thing in the American Independent Party, and the Federalists closed down a while back; so, I was stuck with today’s Republicans.
But, I’ll consider the recommendation of these pundits, as long as their version is more like that of Jefferson’s. VIDEO
Without much elaboration, I despise the Democrats from a long history going back to Govs. Big Jim Folsom and George Wallace (who said there wasn’t a dime’s worth of difference between the Dems and Repubs.)…city Democrat Bull Conner…FDR (agggghh), LBJ, Carter, and Clinton (particularly his Supreme Court appointment, Attorney General, and act of treason with China)…to Democratic controlled Congresses that have taken sides with communist movements, cut investments in our very own defense, and love to tax and spend…to Obama, who attracts masses with promises of taking money from the haves and giving it, even as refundable credits, to the have-nots, who are usually in their positions because of their own bad decisions.
Obama could have taught LBJ a thing or two about vote fraud. He learned a lot from FDR about buying votes with tax money. He took after JFK in putting style over substance. He lies like Clinton.
Do you think that Obama will appoint Bill Ayers Head of Homeland Security?
And, it gets worse when many claim that Obama’s administration would be the continuation of Jimmy Carter’s. Should we send some hostages back to Iran on Inauguration Day to put things back where they were when Carter left office? Heaven knows, the economy is heading back to what he left us.
October 19th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Woody.. tell us exactly how you and yours suffered during the Clinton years. Details, please.
October 19th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
From Andrew Sullivan. Worth quoting in full:
Note the distinction between conservatives and radical conservatives, and the condemnation of cultivating ignorance. Note also, the reference to the kooks of the extreme right wing.
The chickens do roost. Sing it, Kathleen. The first step in the rehabilitation of the GOP is for the GOP to recognize it has a problem. And, it’s a serious problem indeed.
October 19th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Marc; Woody.. tell us exactly how you and yours suffered during the Clinton years. Details, please.
Marc, people who don’t depend on government find ways to work around day-to-day problems caused by Presidents. However, there are long-term problems that we feel for years.
For specifics, fortunately, Janet Reno did not burn out my family, I was not part of the dotcom bubble, for which Clinton claimed credit, because it burst, I haven’t had property condemned by New London, CT and sold to private developers thanks to Justice Ginsberg (who also uses laws of other countries to interpret our Constitution), I wasn’t knowingly threatened by a nuclear North Korea despite SoS Albright getting bamboozled by them, I didn’t have to deal with Hillary’s secret health care plan which could have cost me a lot and meant worse care, I didn’t make sub-prime loans through Clinton’s enhanced CRA intiatives, I wasn’t in the Twin Towers when they fell because Clinton treated terrorism as a police matter (and not telling what else we’ll never know thanks to Socks Berger,) I didn’t realize immediate gas price rises because Clinton closed off federal lands and offshore to oil exploration, I wasn’t waiting to take off from LAX when Clinton was getting his hair cut on the tarmac, and I wasn’t related to Vince Foster. So, maybe things weren’t too bad for me, after all. Thanks!
October 19th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
I haven’t had property condemned by New London, CT and sold to private developers thanks to Justice Ginsberg
If you want an excellent example of why Woody is so thoroughly intellectually dishonest, this is it. Justice Kennedy, appointed by Reagan was the deciding vote in kelo v City of New London.
October 19th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
[Hit post too soon]
Indeed, three of the five votes in the majority in Kelo v City of New London were appointed by Republican presidents. Of the nine justices currently serving seven were apointed by Republicans.
October 19th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Randy, just give it up. Republican SCOTUS justices are only those who could be ratified by a Democratic Senate–not those considered or nominated and turned down strictly for ideological reasons–not qualifications. I didn’t see Bork’s name on the decision.
October 19th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Woody, you’re punching above your weight. Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia were both approved by Senates that had a majority of Democrats. As usual, you merely demonstrate that you have no grasp of basic facts. N-O-N-E.
October 19th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
Woody whats the fuss. You didn’t earn a dime of whatever you have that Clinton didn’t take.
My guess is you get some sort of family fund that pays for your padded cell, cable and food to be delivered.
October 19th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
I wish we had socialism here.
October 19th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
A propos of, err, whatever…from someone who knows his online forums…
http://www.paulgraham.com/trolls.html
http://www.paulgraham.com/bio.html
October 19th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
Woody:
Vince Foster? Are you part of that crew, Woody? You think Clinton had him killed? if you do, please have the courage to state so clearly instead of engaging in the blog version of robo-call innuendo. Yes or no?
Your list of other grievances are rather small with the exception of the Twin Towers. I don’t remember GW Bush making an issue of Clinton’s failure to fight Islamic terrorism a part of his 2000 campaign. I dint remember him doing so even after he received direct intel that Al Qaeda was taking flight lessons. Guess he was as soft on Al Qaeda as the Democrats. Just like FDR was a pasty for the Japanese and that’s why we got bombed at Pearl Harbor, right?
I do know that Bush’s ill-starred and unnecessary war in Iraq has wound up killing twice as many Americans as perished on 9/11. so I guess these two guys are kinda even on that score — at least by your metrics.
You list of totalitarian abuses by the Democrats is, actually, laughable. Come on, pal, even I can do better than you can and still think Bush is 10 times worse:
1) Waco I will concede to you. I said so at the time. Though I’m sure you would defend a Repub admin doing exactly the same thing. You defend waterboarding, torture, and rendition to fascist dictatorships. What’s got u so bothered about the Feds shooting up religious fanatics who, by the way, possessed as many weapons as the Weathermen did in their own time?
2) Clinton’s signing of the 1996 Effective Terrorism Act stripped death row inmates of much of their appeal process and paved the way for further erosion of habeas by your right wing friends. Since when do small-government conservatives like you rejoice when governments extend to themselves expanded and unchecked police power? Oh, I forgot. It’s OK when Republicans do it. Sorry.
3) That same Clinton backed act expanded the barbaric death penalty to 57 new categories on the pretext of the Oklahoma City bombing. Pure demagogy and expansion of federal power.
4) His immigration legislation caused a ten fold spike in border crossing deaths and in the past decade has provided for the summary deportation of at least 40,000 LEGAL residents who have committed no serious transgressions. This has led to the shattering of AMERICAN families, separating U.S. citizen children from their legal resident parents deported because they were found to have a DUI or some other sort of offense that drunken Republican yacht owners commit every Friday nite and escape with a fine.
5) He signed the Republican-inspired NAFTA which has cost a half million real Americans their jobs. George HW Bush’s idea. Bill Clinton’s treaty.
I could go on, but your list is REALLY pathetic. I will grant you two points for humor, however. That Bill Clinton who left office in 2000 is responsible for the doubling of gasoline prices in just 18 months. Why, of course! And that Clinton is responsible for the dot.com crash but your butt buddy Bush is NOT responsible for the calamitous and still cratering crash of this season. Makes perfect sense to me (after I hit my head with a ball peen hammer)
Pathetic, Woodster. Anyway, I had a great time watching W in the movies tonight as the entire audience booed and hissed GW Bush. And I live in a mostly Republican area with a LOT of people whose marginal tax rate is set to rise 3%. LOL.
I have been very disciplined in not answering your truly off the wall comments. They mostly make me laugh as much as they way you provoke others into answering your crud. But Im going back on the program after this posting. You will get no responses from me. But I will use my clout next year to get you released to the forced marriage with a Nigerian Lesbian Welfare Transvestite that the Nazi-Democratic state is planning to impose upon you — and all other hard-working white middle class professionals.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:51 am
Stop speculating about the troll’s psychology and start speculating about your own; it’s the only one you can ever hope to understand and the only one that matters. Ask yourself the following questions instead: “Why can’t I flick the scroll wheel when I see the words ‘Woody Says,’” “Why do I feel compelled to read something I know won’t be illuminating?,” “Why do I feel compelled to respond when I know it accomplishes nothing?”
October 20th, 2008 at 7:50 am
Woody,
I am inclined to be supportive of you, since I too am considered a troll worthy of banishment by intolerant Neandrethals like Anna Churchill. However, you seem to be mixing your conservative, pro-American coffee with too much of that neo-conservative strichnyne. I remember well the first (and so far only) time I met a John Birch Society member — at the 1991 march in DC against the Persian Gulf War. That Bircher was not “anti-American.” And, actually, neither were the rest of the people there, misguided though they were on a whole host of other issues.
I would recommend Bill Kauffman’s new book, on the history of conservative anti-war movement in America.
http://www.amazon.com/Aint-America-Conservatism-Middle-American-Anti-Imperialism/dp/0805082441
As a wise man said, war is the health of the state. Also: they hate us because we’re on their land.
October 20th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Dc baiting Woody and whiteboy has had a purpose. I know what I am doing.
October 20th, 2008 at 9:51 am
Anna,
why do you think you’re insulting me by callling me “whiteboy”?
Almost everyone else (except Woody),
Why do you have so much contempt for white culturally conservative working-class Americans? I note Marc’s sneering suggestion that Joe the Plumber be prosecuted for tax evasion.
Is it simply because you think they tend to vote for Republicans? Or is it something else? Their self-reliance in the face of getting economically kicked in the teeth time and time again by the bipartisan elite pushing their consensus on globalization?
October 20th, 2008 at 10:27 am
Actually, whiteboy, a lot of those “culturally conservative working– class Americans” are ditching the Republicans and voting for Obama because of the atavistic clap trap people like you, McCain and Palin are trying to peddle.
Obama is going to win this election on the surge of a a white wave of working class former Republicans whose sense of decency and self preservation woke them up.
Your perverted twist on race all because you got shot in the head by a black guy makes you a pussy, whiteboy. Get over yourself.
I lived in New York. I was mugged at knife point by a black guy and my flatmate was stabbed. I don’t go around thinking all black men are muggers. Or all white men serial killers despite Bush, Cheyney, Rumsfeld, Bremner and a host of others one could list to prove that in fact they are.
You get mugged and hang an entire philosophical view point now on that. What a weak minded person you are.
The good news is, “whitey”, your kind is being rejected now by the very people you think are your allies.
Take a good luck at the videos of the trolls going into the Palin rallies, whiteboy, cause those are gonna be your new best friends cause no one else in your circle is going to have anything to do with you.
We are going to go through a time of terrible polarization as those like you scratch and claw to retain what you thought was the cover of the collective. No longer, sucker! You are now like a vampire without a casket and will be forced to constantly run for darkness.
Interesting how in another post you confess that is just what you have been doing. Something to the effect you must hide your twisted, racist world view and are reduced to lurking and posting anonymously on the internet.
I guess soon you’ll be forced to give up your Boston townhouse and move to Kansas. We will find you in the back booth of a roadside diner holding a prayer coven begging for the darkies and foreigners to be sent away.
October 20th, 2008 at 11:55 am
Anna, you psycho, as I have written, i AM one of those white people voting for Obama.
“We are going to go through a time of terrible polarization as those like you scratch and claw to retain what you thought was the cover of the collective. No longer, sucker! You are now like a vampire without a casket and will be forced to constantly run for darkness.”
What the fuck are you talking about? Where did I “go around thinking all black men are muggers”? I started this post by pointing out that YOU were making an unfair generalization about white people, and then offered a similar unfair generalization about blacks not in support of such stereotypes, but in opposition to them. I pointed out that just like some Obamaniac in a Kansas diner, I would not feel safe putting up a McCain sign in my neighborhood. Two REASONABLE points. Instead of substantively responding, you go psycho on me, like some wanna-be stalker. You should change your handle to Psycho Sis.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Oh please. Go back and read the roller coaster ride of your rhetoric. Going off on “whitey hating liberals”…and you used to be one etc etc. I am too lazy to go back through the threads to fling back at you your rabbit hole mind warps.
…Not to mention your hysterical taunt that if Balter knew who you were hw would want to see you fired and how you have to skulk anonymously on the internet to say what you really think.
Aren’t you the one who one about being shot in the head and then bleating about all the “beasts”?.
WHO is psycho?
If I have confused you with another poster, please forgive me.
October 20th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Why do you have so much contempt for white culturally conservative working-class Americans?
Why not? What does “white culturally conservative” mean, other than racist, sexist, troglodytic?
October 20th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Thank you once again, Passing Through. You are like Zorro.
I got so tangled in my own fury I failed to see the obvious. Coulda had a V8.
October 20th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
JCummings I meant to ask you about the item you cited regarding Oregon McCain campaign manager having sheltered Ayers in the 70′s.
Can you amplify…was this from the Counterpunch article? Would you mind pasting it in. I have Googled without result. One has to be a subscriber to Counterpunch to get the article that alludes to a connection between a McCain aide and Ayers.
Thanks
October 20th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Hey White Cornerback…. ur IP server says ur wriiting from the US House of Representatives. Are u a staffer? OMG, ur not Michele Bachmann are u?
October 20th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
P.S. I wasnt sneering, as you say, that Joe the Dumber be investigated by the IRS. I was rather insisting on it. Why should real American taxpayers like me carry the load for a deadbeat who spends his time goofing off at political rallies? Get him back to WORK! please.
October 21st, 2008 at 6:49 am
Anna — apology excepted.
passing through — Why not? Because they are good people, the backbone of this country.
Marc — No. I dislike Bachman. And I don’t particularly like Joe the Plumber after seeing him on Hannity Colmes last night. That is, I don’t like him when he talks politics. I admire the work that he does, and people like him do everyday though.
October 21st, 2008 at 7:29 am
That is, I disagree with Bachman that Obama has “anti-American.” views. At worst, his views are no more anti-American than McCain’s. At best, they’re more pro-American. But while the “anti-American” trope is something that Republicans have been using on Democrats for as long as I can remember, this is the first time it has been considered “beyond the pale” or “out of bounds.”
October 21st, 2008 at 8:35 am
Marc: I could go on, but your list is REALLY pathetic. I will grant you two points for humor, however. …Pathetic, Woodster.
If I had known that my last comment counted for a grade, I would have spent more than four minutes on it.
But, I would have expected you to use better reasoning in trying to discount my points and making your own. It’s understandable if you want to twist, fabricate, and highlight selective information to fool people stupid enough to vote for the Democrats, but it doesn’t work on me.
But, rather, you focused on attacking me, which is a sign of weakness–both in argument and character. The writer of this article could be your psychiatrist: Marc Cooper’s “Progressive” Rhetoric.
In the future, if you’re going to grade my comments, please let me know if advance–especially if theyare to go on my permanent record. And, please, at least know more about the subject and analyze it better than the student.
October 21st, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Does someone have access to Counterpunch articles? I would really like to read the text of the latest article that puts Ayers sheltering with a McCain aide.
Thanks.
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