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		<title>By: Bill Bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, oddly enough, haha, another journalist who covers politicians all the time thinks the private fundraisers are off the record to journalists.

Which, in fact, is the case.

We are now in the age of Pirate Media. People taking advantage of access accorded them as ACTIVIST and FINANCIAL supporters of politicians, who then turn around and produce their private musings for the public to see on the Internet.

As my role model Fox Mulder put it: "Trust no one."

&#62;Jay Rosen Says: 
April 16th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Hi everyone. I asked Time Magazineâ€™s Jay Newton-Small why she called Mayhill Fowlerâ€™s report a â€œleak. â€ To me itâ€™s a report from someone who was there. I just thought it was a strange way to talk about the post. Today she wrote about it at Swamplandâ€¦

Traditionally fundraisers have been closed to press and off the record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, oddly enough, haha, another journalist who covers politicians all the time thinks the private fundraisers are off the record to journalists.</p>
<p>Which, in fact, is the case.</p>
<p>We are now in the age of Pirate Media. People taking advantage of access accorded them as ACTIVIST and FINANCIAL supporters of politicians, who then turn around and produce their private musings for the public to see on the Internet.</p>
<p>As my role model Fox Mulder put it: &#8220;Trust no one.&#8221;</p>
<p>&gt;Jay Rosen Says:<br />
April 16th, 2008 at 9:51 pm<br />
Hi everyone. I asked Time Magazineâ€™s Jay Newton-Small why she called Mayhill Fowlerâ€™s report a â€œleak. â€ To me itâ€™s a report from someone who was there. I just thought it was a strange way to talk about the post. Today she wrote about it at Swamplandâ€¦</p>
<p>Traditionally fundraisers have been closed to press and off the record.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob G</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/closed-to-press-not-off-the-record/#comment-589018</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama has taken huge advantage of the fact that there is an internet and that there are internet blogs, probably to the tune of fifty million dollars or so in contributions. Bloggers don't subscribe to the standard journalistic "ethics," ie: that true journalists are political geldings, neither revealing nor having political positions themselves. What comes out of the traditional journalistic style is, inter alia, the disgrace that ABC put on Wednesday night. What comes out of the internet style is lots of things, and Obama and McCain will have to take the good with the bad, the bitter with the sweet over the next six months.

What strikes me about this little firestorm is the underlying fear among us not so religious Obama supporters, namely that the truth he spoke about religious fundamentalism will offend the fundamentalists; we agree but wish he hadn't said it, and so some of us blame the messenger.

There is a quandary here for Obama. One of his essential charms is his candor, one might say honesty. As this trait gets thrown back in his face, he will have to figure out whether he wants to take a more polished (but emotionally less connecting) approach or continue being himself. I suspect that the former, more cynical approach would backfire. I would like to think that the voters will respond to honesty on the stump as something long overdue and a significant virtue in itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama has taken huge advantage of the fact that there is an internet and that there are internet blogs, probably to the tune of fifty million dollars or so in contributions. Bloggers don&#8217;t subscribe to the standard journalistic &#8220;ethics,&#8221; ie: that true journalists are political geldings, neither revealing nor having political positions themselves. What comes out of the traditional journalistic style is, inter alia, the disgrace that ABC put on Wednesday night. What comes out of the internet style is lots of things, and Obama and McCain will have to take the good with the bad, the bitter with the sweet over the next six months.</p>
<p>What strikes me about this little firestorm is the underlying fear among us not so religious Obama supporters, namely that the truth he spoke about religious fundamentalism will offend the fundamentalists; we agree but wish he hadn&#8217;t said it, and so some of us blame the messenger.</p>
<p>There is a quandary here for Obama. One of his essential charms is his candor, one might say honesty. As this trait gets thrown back in his face, he will have to figure out whether he wants to take a more polished (but emotionally less connecting) approach or continue being himself. I suspect that the former, more cynical approach would backfire. I would like to think that the voters will respond to honesty on the stump as something long overdue and a significant virtue in itself.</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fowler's access to an event that was closed to journalist is certainly an issue of limited, specific professional concern.

But for the public and the readers, the "off record" debate is a canard.

The real issue is whether Fowler did a credible job of reporting the event and how her performance reflects on OTB and its standards.

And, Marc, if you're going to try and censor my comments, you really should learn how to operate the system a little better--if you can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fowler&#8217;s access to an event that was closed to journalist is certainly an issue of limited, specific professional concern.</p>
<p>But for the public and the readers, the &#8220;off record&#8221; debate is a canard.</p>
<p>The real issue is whether Fowler did a credible job of reporting the event and how her performance reflects on OTB and its standards.</p>
<p>And, Marc, if you&#8217;re going to try and censor my comments, you really should learn how to operate the system a little better&#8211;if you can.</p>
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		<title>By: Glennia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glennia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the person quoted in the SF Gate article (thanks for the link to MOMocrats, Marc).  I was at the event, first as an Obama supporter, and secondarily as a blogger who writes a political blog aimed at mothers.  I wrote about it immediately after the event and posted a clip of video on YouTube.  I didn't report the "bitter" comment because it seemed to me, the child of blue collar workers, that he was just stating what I know to be true; that people in the midwest are having a hard time and have been disappointed by government for years.  It's no wonder that they turn to things that give them a sense of comfort and security, whether it's faith, firearms, or family.  I did not hear condescension or belittling or stereotyping.  "Bitter" is in the eye of the beholder.  

I've been attending political events for a year, for Clinton, Kucinich, Edwards, and Obama, and have blogged about every one.   No one ever told me not to.  At several, I went not as a supporter, but as someone trying to decide who to vote for.  I wrote what I saw, what I perceived, and my opinions and conclusions, strengths and weaknesses of all of the candidates.  

I videotaped snippets of Obama's remarks, not because I wanted them to show up on the news, but because I wanted to record a little slice of history for my son.   I wanted him to be able to watch it and remember the time he shook the hand of the (hopefully) future president or (at minimum) an historic figure.  I would say anyone in that room with a camera was doing the same.  I'm not sure that journalists are doing anything terribly different from that, recording history as it happens.

I'm not going to change what I do because of this, except maybe buy a better video camera.  I really hope the campaign doesn't change anything either.  

Am I a journalist?  Nah.  I'm a blogger, unapologetically so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the person quoted in the SF Gate article (thanks for the link to MOMocrats, Marc).  I was at the event, first as an Obama supporter, and secondarily as a blogger who writes a political blog aimed at mothers.  I wrote about it immediately after the event and posted a clip of video on YouTube.  I didn&#8217;t report the &#8220;bitter&#8221; comment because it seemed to me, the child of blue collar workers, that he was just stating what I know to be true; that people in the midwest are having a hard time and have been disappointed by government for years.  It&#8217;s no wonder that they turn to things that give them a sense of comfort and security, whether it&#8217;s faith, firearms, or family.  I did not hear condescension or belittling or stereotyping.  &#8220;Bitter&#8221; is in the eye of the beholder.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been attending political events for a year, for Clinton, Kucinich, Edwards, and Obama, and have blogged about every one.   No one ever told me not to.  At several, I went not as a supporter, but as someone trying to decide who to vote for.  I wrote what I saw, what I perceived, and my opinions and conclusions, strengths and weaknesses of all of the candidates.  </p>
<p>I videotaped snippets of Obama&#8217;s remarks, not because I wanted them to show up on the news, but because I wanted to record a little slice of history for my son.   I wanted him to be able to watch it and remember the time he shook the hand of the (hopefully) future president or (at minimum) an historic figure.  I would say anyone in that room with a camera was doing the same.  I&#8217;m not sure that journalists are doing anything terribly different from that, recording history as it happens.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to change what I do because of this, except maybe buy a better video camera.  I really hope the campaign doesn&#8217;t change anything either.  </p>
<p>Am I a journalist?  Nah.  I&#8217;m a blogger, unapologetically so.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Rosen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 04:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi everyone.  I asked Time Magazine's Jay Newton-Small why she &lt;a href="http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1730546,00.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;called&lt;/a&gt; Mayhill Fowler's report a "leak. " To me it's a report from someone who was there.  I just thought it was a strange way to talk about the post.  Today she wrote about it at Swampland...

&lt;blockquote&gt;Traditionally fundraisers have been closed to press and off the record. But, in this new Internet age of bloggers, fundraisers â€“ especially for Democrats â€“ have become an increasingly grey area of on or off the record, closed or open to the press. The situation puts the Obama campaign in an awkward position because, frankly, if the major news organizations knew the campaign was knowingly letting in bloggers to these events they would demand open press access â€“ after all they are the ones paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to travel with the campaigns: why should some blogger get access that their reporters donâ€™t?

As for my usage of the term leak â€“ I did not mean it in a derogatory way. Indeed, leaks to my mind are often a hallmark of good reporting. If I gave Jay or Mayhill offense, I apologize. I used the term in the literal sense: â€œTo permit the escape, entry, or passage of something through a breach or flaw,â€ according to the American Heritage Dictionary. The campaign did not intend those comments for mass consumption or they wouldâ€™ve invited the media and deemed the event â€œopen press.â€ The fact that the comments leaked out is a good thing for journalism even as it forces us to question access and coverage in this new digital age.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Fascinating.  If, as an OffTheBus blogger, I go to an on-the-record event that is not accessible to the press, then the report I file is a leak.  Whereas if the press goes to an on-the-record event that is not accessible to me, the report filed is just... a report. 

Can that be right?  Yup.  &lt;a href="http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/04/leaks_and_such.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Read it yourself&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone.  I asked Time Magazine&#8217;s Jay Newton-Small why she <a href="http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1730546,00.html" rel="nofollow">called</a> Mayhill Fowler&#8217;s report a &#8220;leak. &#8221; To me it&#8217;s a report from someone who was there.  I just thought it was a strange way to talk about the post.  Today she wrote about it at Swampland&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>Traditionally fundraisers have been closed to press and off the record. But, in this new Internet age of bloggers, fundraisers â€“ especially for Democrats â€“ have become an increasingly grey area of on or off the record, closed or open to the press. The situation puts the Obama campaign in an awkward position because, frankly, if the major news organizations knew the campaign was knowingly letting in bloggers to these events they would demand open press access â€“ after all they are the ones paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to travel with the campaigns: why should some blogger get access that their reporters donâ€™t?</p>
<p>As for my usage of the term leak â€“ I did not mean it in a derogatory way. Indeed, leaks to my mind are often a hallmark of good reporting. If I gave Jay or Mayhill offense, I apologize. I used the term in the literal sense: â€œTo permit the escape, entry, or passage of something through a breach or flaw,â€ according to the American Heritage Dictionary. The campaign did not intend those comments for mass consumption or they wouldâ€™ve invited the media and deemed the event â€œopen press.â€ The fact that the comments leaked out is a good thing for journalism even as it forces us to question access and coverage in this new digital age.</p></blockquote>
<p>Fascinating.  If, as an OffTheBus blogger, I go to an on-the-record event that is not accessible to the press, then the report I file is a leak.  Whereas if the press goes to an on-the-record event that is not accessible to me, the report filed is just&#8230; a report. </p>
<p>Can that be right?  Yup.  <a href="http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/04/leaks_and_such.html" rel="nofollow">Read it yourself</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Colonel Angus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colonel Angus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 04:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Balter says the journalistic issues "are simple" yet he avoids them entirely in favor of the "off record" canard.

The real journalism issue is whether Fowler is a credible, responsible reporter. The answer is clearly no. She failed utterly to provide the context of Obama's remarks and, as a result, presented work that was entirely misleading.

Moreover, the editors at OTB failed utterly at their jobs, part of which is quality control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Balter says the journalistic issues &#8220;are simple&#8221; yet he avoids them entirely in favor of the &#8220;off record&#8221; canard.</p>
<p>The real journalism issue is whether Fowler is a credible, responsible reporter. The answer is clearly no. She failed utterly to provide the context of Obama&#8217;s remarks and, as a result, presented work that was entirely misleading.</p>
<p>Moreover, the editors at OTB failed utterly at their jobs, part of which is quality control.</p>
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		<title>By: TL</title>
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		<dc:creator>TL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Thanks TL, for underscoring that the real issue here for true believer Obama supporters is no one should do anything that might possibly embarrass their guy."

News organizations - professional or not - have an obligation to report on the mundane, trivial to the fantastic. I don't have an issue with Fowler attending and reporting about an event - whether private or public. Whether invited or not. I don't have a problem with her exposing Obama's quote.

The problems I have are within the editorial decisions made prior to publishing the story, as well as some ethical concerns.

My two biggest nits:
1. Fowler is an admitted contributor/supporter to Obama's campaign.
2. Editors at Huff Post had a MAJOR concern about his quote but failed to get a counter response from the Obama camp.

Like Hillary, I am beating a dead horse. I'll shut up now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Thanks TL, for underscoring that the real issue here for true believer Obama supporters is no one should do anything that might possibly embarrass their guy.&#8221;</p>
<p>News organizations - professional or not - have an obligation to report on the mundane, trivial to the fantastic. I don&#8217;t have an issue with Fowler attending and reporting about an event - whether private or public. Whether invited or not. I don&#8217;t have a problem with her exposing Obama&#8217;s quote.</p>
<p>The problems I have are within the editorial decisions made prior to publishing the story, as well as some ethical concerns.</p>
<p>My two biggest nits:<br />
1. Fowler is an admitted contributor/supporter to Obama&#8217;s campaign.<br />
2. Editors at Huff Post had a MAJOR concern about his quote but failed to get a counter response from the Obama camp.</p>
<p>Like Hillary, I am beating a dead horse. I&#8217;ll shut up now.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks TL, for underscoring that the real issue here for true believer Obama supporters is no one should do anything that might possibly embarrass their guy. I am rooting for Obama too, but it is disheartening to see how many Obamaniacs want to play by the Hillary Clinton rulebook. Leave the nasty work to the nasties, and take a cue from your hero, whose got more principles than a lot of his supporters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks TL, for underscoring that the real issue here for true believer Obama supporters is no one should do anything that might possibly embarrass their guy. I am rooting for Obama too, but it is disheartening to see how many Obamaniacs want to play by the Hillary Clinton rulebook. Leave the nasty work to the nasties, and take a cue from your hero, whose got more principles than a lot of his supporters.</p>
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		<title>By: TL</title>
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		<dc:creator>TL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, I don't really give a rat's arse about the on the record, off the record discussion going on here. Proceed ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, I don&#8217;t really give a rat&#8217;s arse about the on the record, off the record discussion going on here. Proceed &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me make what I am saying absolutely clear. The ONLY "off the record" conversations are those where a reporter and a source MUTUALLY AGREE that it is off the record. No one can unilaterally put a meeting, event, etc off the record. They can TRY to bar the press from coming, but that doesn't mean it is unethical for a reporter to try to get in anyway. That is the principle. In the case of Mayhill Fowler, however, she didn't sneak in--she was allowed in. Once she got in, she was under no obligation whatsoever to refrain from reporting what she heard, and as Marc points out, there was not even an expectation from the Obama folkds that anyone would. Ridiculous to even have such an expectation in this day and age, everyone going around with a cell phone at the very least--meaning that absolutely everyone is armed with a voice recorder, video recorder, and still camera everywhere they go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me make what I am saying absolutely clear. The ONLY &#8220;off the record&#8221; conversations are those where a reporter and a source MUTUALLY AGREE that it is off the record. No one can unilaterally put a meeting, event, etc off the record. They can TRY to bar the press from coming, but that doesn&#8217;t mean it is unethical for a reporter to try to get in anyway. That is the principle. In the case of Mayhill Fowler, however, she didn&#8217;t sneak in&#8211;she was allowed in. Once she got in, she was under no obligation whatsoever to refrain from reporting what she heard, and as Marc points out, there was not even an expectation from the Obama folkds that anyone would. Ridiculous to even have such an expectation in this day and age, everyone going around with a cell phone at the very least&#8211;meaning that absolutely everyone is armed with a voice recorder, video recorder, and still camera everywhere they go.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Samantha Power, an Obama adviser, called Hillary Clinton "a monster" and asked that it be off the record, but it wasn't and she had to leave his campaign over that.  Nothing is off the record--except bad behavior by successful football coaches and good players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Samantha Power, an Obama adviser, called Hillary Clinton &#8220;a monster&#8221; and asked that it be off the record, but it wasn&#8217;t and she had to leave his campaign over that.  Nothing is off the record&#8211;except bad behavior by successful football coaches and good players.</p>
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		<title>By: TL</title>
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		<dc:creator>TL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Stott writes, "Anyone who has a problem with Mayhill Fowler is special pleading. What if her blogging opposite went into a closed-to-the-press McCain fundraiser and recorded him calling some brown-skinned guy â€œmaccaca?â€™ Or opining that women who believe in all that sexual equality stuff are femi-nazis because they are plain, and never get asked out?"

I would expect a reporter to approach your hypothetical with the approach that asks the candidate WHY he or she said what they said.

The explanation of 'why' should not be a first person account of what the writer experienced. The account should not be based on feelings, opinion or assumptions. An accurate retelling of the event along with an explanation from the candidate would be fair.

And then the media shit storm would follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Stott writes, &#8220;Anyone who has a problem with Mayhill Fowler is special pleading. What if her blogging opposite went into a closed-to-the-press McCain fundraiser and recorded him calling some brown-skinned guy â€œmaccaca?â€™ Or opining that women who believe in all that sexual equality stuff are femi-nazis because they are plain, and never get asked out?&#8221;</p>
<p>I would expect a reporter to approach your hypothetical with the approach that asks the candidate WHY he or she said what they said.</p>
<p>The explanation of &#8216;why&#8217; should not be a first person account of what the writer experienced. The account should not be based on feelings, opinion or assumptions. An accurate retelling of the event along with an explanation from the candidate would be fair.</p>
<p>And then the media shit storm would follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't believe this discussion is still going on. The journalistic issues are so basic. With all due respect to Bill Bradley, no one can put an event attended by hundreds of people "off the record." The only thing that can be off the record is a face to face conversation between a reporter and a source. If a reporter manages to get into an event "closed to the press," he or she is just doing their job. Reporters are supposed to go where they are not wanted. Period. As I said before, this is all hypocrisy; if a blogger had snuck into a Clinton event where she said something damaging, Obama supporters would be thrilled about it. Period again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe this discussion is still going on. The journalistic issues are so basic. With all due respect to Bill Bradley, no one can put an event attended by hundreds of people &#8220;off the record.&#8221; The only thing that can be off the record is a face to face conversation between a reporter and a source. If a reporter manages to get into an event &#8220;closed to the press,&#8221; he or she is just doing their job. Reporters are supposed to go where they are not wanted. Period. As I said before, this is all hypocrisy; if a blogger had snuck into a Clinton event where she said something damaging, Obama supporters would be thrilled about it. Period again.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawyer Mama</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/closed-to-press-not-off-the-record/#comment-588969</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawyer Mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of context, methinks Samuel Stott hasn't even watched the video of the speech....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of context, methinks Samuel Stott hasn&#8217;t even watched the video of the speech&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: samuel stott</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/closed-to-press-not-off-the-record/#comment-588968</link>
		<dc:creator>samuel stott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who has a problem with Mayhill Fowler is  special pleading. What if her blogging opposite   went into a closed-to-the-press McCain fundraiser and recorded him calling some brown-skinned guy "maccaca?' Or opining that women who believe in all that sexual equality stuff are femi-nazis because they are plain, and never get asked out?
 
You would deplore and condemn her ethical lapse then, would you, now?

Despite what many of you are wishfully thinking, Obama-Hillbillygate was a very big deal.

At least a third, and up to half of the active electorate is neither partisan nor invested in the silly idea that the world will go straight to hell in the next 4 years, unless you vote Right or Left.

For that audience, Obama just took his second strike.  The first was for hanging out, the last  twenty years, with a racist nut-job who fawns over Calypso Louie and urges you to believe that the CIA cooked AIDS up in a lab to kill black people. 

The second strike, for saying that rural working class whites only care about their right to bear arms, their pietistic brand of Christianity and illegal immigration because they don't make enough money.

It's all of one piece. The grand narrative of root cause and false conciousness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who has a problem with Mayhill Fowler is  special pleading. What if her blogging opposite   went into a closed-to-the-press McCain fundraiser and recorded him calling some brown-skinned guy &#8220;maccaca?&#8217; Or opining that women who believe in all that sexual equality stuff are femi-nazis because they are plain, and never get asked out?</p>
<p>You would deplore and condemn her ethical lapse then, would you, now?</p>
<p>Despite what many of you are wishfully thinking, Obama-Hillbillygate was a very big deal.</p>
<p>At least a third, and up to half of the active electorate is neither partisan nor invested in the silly idea that the world will go straight to hell in the next 4 years, unless you vote Right or Left.</p>
<p>For that audience, Obama just took his second strike.  The first was for hanging out, the last  twenty years, with a racist nut-job who fawns over Calypso Louie and urges you to believe that the CIA cooked AIDS up in a lab to kill black people. </p>
<p>The second strike, for saying that rural working class whites only care about their right to bear arms, their pietistic brand of Christianity and illegal immigration because they don&#8217;t make enough money.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all of one piece. The grand narrative of root cause and false conciousness.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/closed-to-press-not-off-the-record/#comment-588967</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll be the only one here to give a balanced view after the debate.  Due to "remote" wars, the tv constantly flipped between the debate, American Idol, and the Braves game, so my view with be balanced on three shows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be the only one here to give a balanced view after the debate.  Due to &#8220;remote&#8221; wars, the tv constantly flipped between the debate, American Idol, and the Braves game, so my view with be balanced on three shows.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Bradley</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/closed-to-press-not-off-the-record/#comment-588965</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...  Now back to the aftermath of the contentious, tabloid-style debate, in which Bittergate certainly figured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;  Now back to the aftermath of the contentious, tabloid-style debate, in which Bittergate certainly figured.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Bradley</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/closed-to-press-not-off-the-record/#comment-588964</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... Oh. Actually, that is simply wrong. There are accrediting authorities that are not whatever.com or the LA Press Club.

For example, there is the State of California, the LAPD, etc., etc.

As you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; Oh. Actually, that is simply wrong. There are accrediting authorities that are not whatever.com or the LA Press Club.</p>
<p>For example, there is the State of California, the LAPD, etc., etc.</p>
<p>As you know.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Bradley</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/closed-to-press-not-off-the-record/#comment-588963</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Marc, next time I should be a maxed-out contributor to Obama who tries to sneak in by conning a low-level fundraiser.

Except that wouldn't work, because senior people in the Obama campaign would recognize me and make sure I couldn't get in.

Because I am a journalist.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Marc, next time I should be a maxed-out contributor to Obama who tries to sneak in by conning a low-level fundraiser.</p>
<p>Except that wouldn&#8217;t work, because senior people in the Obama campaign would recognize me and make sure I couldn&#8217;t get in.</p>
<p>Because I am a journalist.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/closed-to-press-not-off-the-record/#comment-588962</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill.. dont know what you mean by an "accredited member of the press." Not insulting you, but it just doesn't mean very much. In fact, it means nothing at all. Any organization can accredit anyone they please. I have about 15 press pasess currently and I believe everyone is them expired.  And? As you know, the Los Angeles Press Club accredits pr flacks and stringers for the Daily Racing Form. It even gives them a cool Media parking plaque for their car -- mine is also expired but I still use it.

 My USC students, on the other hand, will be reporting for NPR and PBS this summer but sans any accreditation whatsoever.  Two of my students have published in the Washington Post and two others in L.A. Times -- with bylines in the news section. They are unaccredited. What are they? Students or journalists?

Lemonade? For sure. But your insistence on making these categorical divisions just doesnt hold up much anymore. To which editor at newwestnotes does someone complain if they dont like what you write?

None. Does that make you any lesser of a journalist? No.  You couldnt get in to the Obama event indeed because you were "accredited." Next time, try to go as a blogger! :)

Careful that your lemonade doesnt start to taste like sour grapes juice. Truth is Mayhill could get into the event that you couldnt precisely because she is more comfortable functioning in that area of ambiguity that your aren't.  

Bunkerbuster... "turdpile?" Now that's some real elegant writing. That's also the last straw for you. Bye now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill.. dont know what you mean by an &#8220;accredited member of the press.&#8221; Not insulting you, but it just doesn&#8217;t mean very much. In fact, it means nothing at all. Any organization can accredit anyone they please. I have about 15 press pasess currently and I believe everyone is them expired.  And? As you know, the Los Angeles Press Club accredits pr flacks and stringers for the Daily Racing Form. It even gives them a cool Media parking plaque for their car &#8212; mine is also expired but I still use it.</p>
<p> My USC students, on the other hand, will be reporting for NPR and PBS this summer but sans any accreditation whatsoever.  Two of my students have published in the Washington Post and two others in L.A. Times &#8212; with bylines in the news section. They are unaccredited. What are they? Students or journalists?</p>
<p>Lemonade? For sure. But your insistence on making these categorical divisions just doesnt hold up much anymore. To which editor at newwestnotes does someone complain if they dont like what you write?</p>
<p>None. Does that make you any lesser of a journalist? No.  You couldnt get in to the Obama event indeed because you were &#8220;accredited.&#8221; Next time, try to go as a blogger! <img src='http://marccooper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Careful that your lemonade doesnt start to taste like sour grapes juice. Truth is Mayhill could get into the event that you couldnt precisely because she is more comfortable functioning in that area of ambiguity that your aren&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>Bunkerbuster&#8230; &#8220;turdpile?&#8221; Now that&#8217;s some real elegant writing. That&#8217;s also the last straw for you. Bye now.</p>
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