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		<title>Comment on We, The Hard-Working White People by reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/we-the-hard-working-white-people/#comment-590607</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 04:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://marccooper.com/we-the-hard-working-white-people/#comment-590607</guid>
		<description>"the difference between a racist and someone who 'chooses to exacerbate the divide...' "

 Generally the latter is asking the former to vote for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the difference between a racist and someone who &#8216;chooses to exacerbate the divide&#8230;&#8217; &#8221;</p>
<p> Generally the latter is asking the former to vote for them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on We, The Hard-Working White People by Dan O</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/we-the-hard-working-white-people/#comment-590602</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 23:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://marccooper.com/we-the-hard-working-white-people/#comment-590602</guid>
		<description>So what exactly is the difference between a racist and someone who "chooses to exacerbate the divide between and among the races"?

Only hypocrisy and cynicism fit into that dime-thin space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what exactly is the difference between a racist and someone who &#8220;chooses to exacerbate the divide between and among the races&#8221;?</p>
<p>Only hypocrisy and cynicism fit into that dime-thin space.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Press Purification Rituals by 3e9edb143295</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/press-purification-rituals/#comment-590601</link>
		<dc:creator>3e9edb143295</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 22:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on We, The Hard-Working White People by reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/we-the-hard-working-white-people/#comment-590600</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 22:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://marccooper.com/we-the-hard-working-white-people/#comment-590600</guid>
		<description>Shades of the kitchen sink - we've now got the spectre of Holy  Joe Lieberman expressing concern about Obama because he's been "endorsed" by Hamas on the one hand, and a New York Times Op-Ed claiming that because Obama's an "apostate Muslim" according to the writer's tortured definition, the Islamic world will ramp up hatred of the US and want to kill him for embracing Christianity if he's elected President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shades of the kitchen sink - we&#8217;ve now got the spectre of Holy  Joe Lieberman expressing concern about Obama because he&#8217;s been &#8220;endorsed&#8221; by Hamas on the one hand, and a New York Times Op-Ed claiming that because Obama&#8217;s an &#8220;apostate Muslim&#8221; according to the writer&#8217;s tortured definition, the Islamic world will ramp up hatred of the US and want to kill him for embracing Christianity if he&#8217;s elected President.</p>
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		<title>Comment on We, The Hard-Working White People by evets</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/we-the-hard-working-white-people/#comment-590599</link>
		<dc:creator>evets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 22:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://marccooper.com/we-the-hard-working-white-people/#comment-590599</guid>
		<description>Crosby -

You speak the truth.</description>
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		<title>Comment on We, The Hard-Working White People by Michael Crosby</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/we-the-hard-working-white-people/#comment-590598</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 22:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://marccooper.com/we-the-hard-working-white-people/#comment-590598</guid>
		<description>If we are being fair to HRC, and that is of increasingly less interest to me, she was trying to cite a demographic/voting fact.  However, she did pull back the rhetorical curtain to reveal that when she and the campaign said "hard-working Americans," it meant "white people."  And this is an insult to black people, brown people, yellow people and, you know, others who on occasion work as hard as, say, Paris Hilton.

The stammer with which she delivered this analysis seems to come on when she is making an argument that she knows is reprehensible.  

Hillary Rodham Clinton most certainly is not a racist in any reasoned sense.   So when she makes racialized arguments, for the purpose of weakening her Democratic opponent, it is all the more morally blameworthy.  She knows better, but chooses to exacerbate the divide between and among the races for her own ends.  Bill knows better as well, but he can just access his inner Bubba and shut down the evolved world citizen within him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we are being fair to HRC, and that is of increasingly less interest to me, she was trying to cite a demographic/voting fact.  However, she did pull back the rhetorical curtain to reveal that when she and the campaign said &#8220;hard-working Americans,&#8221; it meant &#8220;white people.&#8221;  And this is an insult to black people, brown people, yellow people and, you know, others who on occasion work as hard as, say, Paris Hilton.</p>
<p>The stammer with which she delivered this analysis seems to come on when she is making an argument that she knows is reprehensible.  </p>
<p>Hillary Rodham Clinton most certainly is not a racist in any reasoned sense.   So when she makes racialized arguments, for the purpose of weakening her Democratic opponent, it is all the more morally blameworthy.  She knows better, but chooses to exacerbate the divide between and among the races for her own ends.  Bill knows better as well, but he can just access his inner Bubba and shut down the evolved world citizen within him.</p>
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		<title>Comment on We, The Hard-Working White People by bob williams</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/we-the-hard-working-white-people/#comment-590596</link>
		<dc:creator>bob williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 21:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://marccooper.com/we-the-hard-working-white-people/#comment-590596</guid>
		<description>Hint for Amy Goodman: 

 If you have to identify someone as "world renowned," he probably ain't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hint for Amy Goodman: </p>
<p> If you have to identify someone as &#8220;world renowned,&#8221; he probably ain&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Obama Swings by 783002d6ca90</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/obama-swings/#comment-590595</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 20:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on We, The Hard-Working White People by jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/we-the-hard-working-white-people/#comment-590594</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 20:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://marccooper.com/we-the-hard-working-white-people/#comment-590594</guid>
		<description>Interview from DN
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/5/12/world_renowned_philosopher_slavoj_zizek_on</description>
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		<title>Comment on We, The Hard-Working White People by jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/we-the-hard-working-white-people/#comment-590593</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 19:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://marccooper.com/we-the-hard-working-white-people/#comment-590593</guid>
		<description>Zizek's point is less about ideology and more about the type of minority/urban worker/intellectual bases that Lula, Mandela and Obama have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zizek&#8217;s point is less about ideology and more about the type of minority/urban worker/intellectual bases that Lula, Mandela and Obama have.</p>
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		<title>Comment on We, The Hard-Working White People by jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/we-the-hard-working-white-people/#comment-590592</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 19:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://marccooper.com/we-the-hard-working-white-people/#comment-590592</guid>
		<description>Klein makes that point quite well....unfortunately she's a better journalist  than theorist - her book fails spectacularly theoretically - if she stuck to strict journalistic/historical narrative it would have been fantastic.  But she is all to Keynesian and denigrating of Marxism, causing one big syllogism, given her faulty premise of the so-called "shock doctrine" - ignoring the structural crisis of capital in the 70s and instead all but calling Milton Friedman genocidal.  She's caught up in blaming individual actors and ideologies for the world's problems - and actually believes that capitalism can be reformed!!!  I mean, even if capitalism could be reformed, reforms are not brought foward by demands for reform, reforms are brought forward by threats of revolution.

Good journalism though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Klein makes that point quite well&#8230;.unfortunately she&#8217;s a better journalist  than theorist - her book fails spectacularly theoretically - if she stuck to strict journalistic/historical narrative it would have been fantastic.  But she is all to Keynesian and denigrating of Marxism, causing one big syllogism, given her faulty premise of the so-called &#8220;shock doctrine&#8221; - ignoring the structural crisis of capital in the 70s and instead all but calling Milton Friedman genocidal.  She&#8217;s caught up in blaming individual actors and ideologies for the world&#8217;s problems - and actually believes that capitalism can be reformed!!!  I mean, even if capitalism could be reformed, reforms are not brought foward by demands for reform, reforms are brought forward by threats of revolution.</p>
<p>Good journalism though.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Aloha Arnold by d0a57e9abbb8</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/aloha-arnold/#comment-590591</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 19:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Syriana So What? [Updated] by Dooney And Bourke Bags</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/syriana-so-what/#comment-590586</link>
		<dc:creator>Dooney And Bourke Bags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 16:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://marccooper.com/syriana-so-what/#comment-590586</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Dooney And Bourke Bags...&lt;/strong&gt;

I found your site on technorati and read a few of your other posts. Keep up the good work. I just added your RSS feed to my Google News Reader. Looking forward to reading more from you....</description>
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<p>I found your site on technorati and read a few of your other posts. Keep up the good work. I just added your RSS feed to my Google News Reader. Looking forward to reading more from you&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Iraq Trumped by hxivbyc</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/iraq-trumped/#comment-590585</link>
		<dc:creator>hxivbyc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 16:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on We, The Hard-Working White People by Dan O</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/we-the-hard-working-white-people/#comment-590584</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 16:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mandela and the ANC, of course, had the problem of getting out-negotiated, and scammed by the white negotiators who used the IMF and other instruments to keep their power intact.  At least that's what Naomi Klein agrues.  So the analogy falls down there.

Of course, by raising expectations, Obama is certain to leave some of them unfulfilled--I certainly expect to have some of mine left with no one to dance with--but I also expect incremental (not radical) change, especially given the range of forces arrayed against reform.  I'll be happy with someone in the mold of Teddy Roosevelt; very happy if we throw some FDR in; even happier, if Obama proves to be another animal altogether.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mandela and the ANC, of course, had the problem of getting out-negotiated, and scammed by the white negotiators who used the IMF and other instruments to keep their power intact.  At least that&#8217;s what Naomi Klein agrues.  So the analogy falls down there.</p>
<p>Of course, by raising expectations, Obama is certain to leave some of them unfulfilled&#8211;I certainly expect to have some of mine left with no one to dance with&#8211;but I also expect incremental (not radical) change, especially given the range of forces arrayed against reform.  I&#8217;ll be happy with someone in the mold of Teddy Roosevelt; very happy if we throw some FDR in; even happier, if Obama proves to be another animal altogether.</p>
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		<title>Comment on We, The Hard-Working White People by Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/we-the-hard-working-white-people/#comment-590583</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 16:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://marccooper.com/we-the-hard-working-white-people/#comment-590583</guid>
		<description>Micahael Turner, it doesn't do any good to argue with you because it just becomes one of those back-and-forth things where I am right and you won't admit it.  Don't forget, this post is about space aliens taking over the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micahael Turner, it doesn&#8217;t do any good to argue with you because it just becomes one of those back-and-forth things where I am right and you won&#8217;t admit it.  Don&#8217;t forget, this post is about space aliens taking over the world.</p>
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		<title>Comment on We, The Hard-Working White People by Michael Turner</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/we-the-hard-working-white-people/#comment-590582</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 15:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://marccooper.com/we-the-hard-working-white-people/#comment-590582</guid>
		<description>Richard Feynman:

“If you thought that science was certain - well, that is just an error on your part.”

Well, Woody, as a good scientist, Feynman certainly understood that science never proves anything.  What it does do is this: disprove competing theories.  Absolute proof of anthropogenic global warming?  I'm not holding my breath.  But if all the other theories aren't working out very well, and warming continues, what's the difference from a policy point of view?

If Feynman said that "there is no harm in doubt and skepticism, for it is through these that new discoveries are made," Carl Sagan also said "They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown."

Be careful what side you end up on, Woody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Feynman:</p>
<p>“If you thought that science was certain - well, that is just an error on your part.”</p>
<p>Well, Woody, as a good scientist, Feynman certainly understood that science never proves anything.  What it does do is this: disprove competing theories.  Absolute proof of anthropogenic global warming?  I&#8217;m not holding my breath.  But if all the other theories aren&#8217;t working out very well, and warming continues, what&#8217;s the difference from a policy point of view?</p>
<p>If Feynman said that &#8220;there is no harm in doubt and skepticism, for it is through these that new discoveries are made,&#8221; Carl Sagan also said &#8220;They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.&#8221;</p>
<p>Be careful what side you end up on, Woody.</p>
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		<title>Comment on We, The Hard-Working White People by Michael Turner</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/we-the-hard-working-white-people/#comment-590581</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 15:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woody wrote: "If you want another example, doctors bled our first president to death as part of their science to cure him."

This just goes to show why Woody shouldn't be telling anyone what science is or how it works.

Did anyone back then do controlled clinical trials on bleeding to see if it worked?  Of course not -- if they had, they would have seen that bloodletting didn't work. Because they didn't, you can't say that bleeding was a scientifically supported practice, or part of science in any way.

Wikipedia puts it well enough: "The logic of bloodletting was based in the theory of the four humours. According to this theory, a mystical equilibrium between several bodily fluids maintains human life."

Mystical, woody.  M-Y-S-T-I-C-A-L.  Not science.

But in Woody's mind, a practice becomes "part of science" simply because it was practiced by doctors (not scientists) at one time, and because we now have a field called "medical science", which somehow retroactively applies to medicine as practiced in the early 19th century.

Good thing you didn't try to become a scientist, Woody.  You would never have made the cut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woody wrote: &#8220;If you want another example, doctors bled our first president to death as part of their science to cure him.&#8221;</p>
<p>This just goes to show why Woody shouldn&#8217;t be telling anyone what science is or how it works.</p>
<p>Did anyone back then do controlled clinical trials on bleeding to see if it worked?  Of course not &#8212; if they had, they would have seen that bloodletting didn&#8217;t work. Because they didn&#8217;t, you can&#8217;t say that bleeding was a scientifically supported practice, or part of science in any way.</p>
<p>Wikipedia puts it well enough: &#8220;The logic of bloodletting was based in the theory of the four humours. According to this theory, a mystical equilibrium between several bodily fluids maintains human life.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mystical, woody.  M-Y-S-T-I-C-A-L.  Not science.</p>
<p>But in Woody&#8217;s mind, a practice becomes &#8220;part of science&#8221; simply because it was practiced by doctors (not scientists) at one time, and because we now have a field called &#8220;medical science&#8221;, which somehow retroactively applies to medicine as practiced in the early 19th century.</p>
<p>Good thing you didn&#8217;t try to become a scientist, Woody.  You would never have made the cut.</p>
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		<link>http://marccooper.com/we-the-hard-working-white-people/#comment-590580</link>
		<dc:creator>bob williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 15:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like a grant to study the courtship rituals of the Arctic iguana.

No?

How about a grant to study the the courtship rituals of the Arctic iguana as they relate to Climate Change?

I thought so.</description>
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<p>How about a grant to study the the courtship rituals of the Arctic iguana as they relate to Climate Change?</p>
<p>I thought so.</p>
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		<title>Comment on We, The Hard-Working White People by jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 14:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This just in,

The eminent Slavoj Zizek unambigously backs Obama, while predicting a Mandela/Lula situation - hopes raised higher and then within two years masses disapointed in Mandela/Lula/obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just in,</p>
<p>The eminent Slavoj Zizek unambigously backs Obama, while predicting a Mandela/Lula situation - hopes raised higher and then within two years masses disapointed in Mandela/Lula/obama.</p>
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