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		<title>By: April Fleischacker</title>
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		<dc:creator>April Fleischacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: hobo purses</title>
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		<dc:creator>hobo purses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 22:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simply among the ideal posts that I have seen on this subject.  I&#039;m going to need to suggest your web-site to my friends.</description>
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		<title>By: Blogger Beaten Up. &#171; ModernityBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogger Beaten Up. &#171; ModernityBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 03:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read more at Martin&#8217;s and Marc Cooper. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell Terry that I said hi :-)</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed –
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.  
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#039;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#039;t defend it.&quot;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.  
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed –<br />
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.<br />
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#8217;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#8217;t defend it.&#8221;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html</a><br />
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Pat Caddell to attack the Democrats as suppressing dissent is as credible as using Roman Polanski to argue for a lwoerring of the age of consent.</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#039;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &quot;solidarity&quot; for Israel&#039;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#039;s shoes. Just saying

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#8217;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &#8220;solidarity&#8221; for Israel&#8217;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#8217;s shoes. Just saying</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#039;t that obvious? or, isn&#039;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#039;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#8217;t that obvious? or, isn&#8217;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#8217;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You called me dude.  
Cool.

RIng a bell?
&quot;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&quot;
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#039;t really mean what you said.  Fine.
And I&#039;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#039;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#039;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#039;it was 20 years ago today...&#039;
Is there going to be a &quot;General Jaruzelski&quot; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#039;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#039;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You called me dude.<br />
Cool.</p>
<p>RIng a bell?<br />
&#8220;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&#8221;<br />
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#8217;t really mean what you said.  Fine.<br />
And I&#8217;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#8217;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#8217;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.<br />
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#8216;it was 20 years ago today&#8230;&#8217;<br />
Is there going to be a &#8220;General Jaruzelski&#8221; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#8217;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#8217;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t defend a &quot;dictator&quot; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#039; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#039;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#039;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &quot;muslim east&quot; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. 

Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t defend a &#8220;dictator&#8221; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#8217; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#8217;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#8217;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &#8220;muslim east&#8221; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. </p>
<p>Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, Marc&#039;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#039;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh? 
I won&#039;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#039;s political positions-folks can go read him or not - but I find comrade Ahmed&#039;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.  
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.  
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Marc&#8217;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#8217;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh?<br />
I won&#8217;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#8217;s political positions-folks can go read him or not &#8211; but I find comrade Ahmed&#8217;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.<br />
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.<br />
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!

In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.

Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#039;this is the best you guys are going to get&#039; Cuba,,,&#039;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!</p>
<p>In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.</p>
<p>Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#8217;this is the best you guys are going to get&#8217; Cuba,,,&#8217;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about suppressing dissent:  

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&#039;We better not see you on again,&#039; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I have heard that they&#039;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&quot;

Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. 

...Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &quot;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#039;re trying to do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about suppressing dissent:  </p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story" rel="nofollow">Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News</a></b><br />
<i>&#8216;We better not see you on again,&#8217; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.</i> </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have heard that they&#8217;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. </p>
<p>&#8230;Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &#8220;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#8217;re trying to do.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: b4</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, that&#039;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</i></p>
<p>Uh, that&#8217;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#039;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &quot;blogging&quot; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.

As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#8217;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &#8220;blogging&#8221; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.</p>
<p>As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed,

Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#039;s too much of a stretch.

Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed,</p>
<p>Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#8217;s too much of a stretch.</p>
<p>Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#039;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#039;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#039;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#039;s chai walla, I&#039;d go with Fidel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#8217;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#8217;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#8217;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#8217;s chai walla, I&#8217;d go with Fidel</p>
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		<title>By: Beautiful Horizons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beautiful Horizons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed:

You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed:</p>
<p>You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</p>
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		<title>By: April Fleischacker</title>
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		<title>By: hobo purses</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 22:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simply among the ideal posts that I have seen on this subject.  I&#039;m going to need to suggest your web-site to my friends.</description>
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		<title>By: Blogger Beaten Up. &#171; ModernityBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogger Beaten Up. &#171; ModernityBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 03:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read more at Martin&#8217;s and Marc Cooper. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell Terry that I said hi :-)</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed –
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.  
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#039;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#039;t defend it.&quot;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.  
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed –<br />
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.<br />
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#8217;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#8217;t defend it.&#8221;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html</a><br />
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Pat Caddell to attack the Democrats as suppressing dissent is as credible as using Roman Polanski to argue for a lwoerring of the age of consent.</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#039;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &quot;solidarity&quot; for Israel&#039;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#039;s shoes. Just saying

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#8217;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &#8220;solidarity&#8221; for Israel&#8217;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#8217;s shoes. Just saying</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#039;t that obvious? or, isn&#039;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#039;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#8217;t that obvious? or, isn&#8217;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#8217;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You called me dude.  
Cool.

RIng a bell?
&quot;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&quot;
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#039;t really mean what you said.  Fine.
And I&#039;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#039;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#039;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#039;it was 20 years ago today...&#039;
Is there going to be a &quot;General Jaruzelski&quot; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#039;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#039;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You called me dude.<br />
Cool.</p>
<p>RIng a bell?<br />
&#8220;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&#8221;<br />
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#8217;t really mean what you said.  Fine.<br />
And I&#8217;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#8217;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#8217;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.<br />
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#8216;it was 20 years ago today&#8230;&#8217;<br />
Is there going to be a &#8220;General Jaruzelski&#8221; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#8217;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#8217;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t defend a &quot;dictator&quot; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#039; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#039;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#039;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &quot;muslim east&quot; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. 

Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t defend a &#8220;dictator&#8221; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#8217; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#8217;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#8217;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &#8220;muslim east&#8221; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. </p>
<p>Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, Marc&#039;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#039;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh? 
I won&#039;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#039;s political positions-folks can go read him or not - but I find comrade Ahmed&#039;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.  
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.  
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Marc&#8217;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#8217;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh?<br />
I won&#8217;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#8217;s political positions-folks can go read him or not &#8211; but I find comrade Ahmed&#8217;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.<br />
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.<br />
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!

In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.

Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#039;this is the best you guys are going to get&#039; Cuba,,,&#039;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!</p>
<p>In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.</p>
<p>Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#8217;this is the best you guys are going to get&#8217; Cuba,,,&#8217;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about suppressing dissent:  

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&#039;We better not see you on again,&#039; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I have heard that they&#039;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&quot;

Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. 

...Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &quot;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#039;re trying to do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about suppressing dissent:  </p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story" rel="nofollow">Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News</a></b><br />
<i>&#8216;We better not see you on again,&#8217; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.</i> </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have heard that they&#8217;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. </p>
<p>&#8230;Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &#8220;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#8217;re trying to do.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: b4</title>
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		<dc:creator>b4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, that&#039;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</i></p>
<p>Uh, that&#8217;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#039;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &quot;blogging&quot; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.

As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#8217;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &#8220;blogging&#8221; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.</p>
<p>As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed,

Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#039;s too much of a stretch.

Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed,</p>
<p>Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#8217;s too much of a stretch.</p>
<p>Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#039;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#039;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#039;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#039;s chai walla, I&#039;d go with Fidel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#8217;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#8217;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#8217;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#8217;s chai walla, I&#8217;d go with Fidel</p>
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		<dc:creator>Beautiful Horizons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed:

You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed:</p>
<p>You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</p>
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		<dc:creator>April Fleischacker</dc:creator>
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		<description>Simply among the ideal posts that I have seen on this subject.  I&#039;m going to need to suggest your web-site to my friends.</description>
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		<title>By: Blogger Beaten Up. &#171; ModernityBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogger Beaten Up. &#171; ModernityBlog</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Read more at Martin&#8217;s and Marc Cooper. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell Terry that I said hi :-)</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed –
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.  
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#039;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#039;t defend it.&quot;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.  
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed –<br />
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.<br />
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#8217;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#8217;t defend it.&#8221;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html</a><br />
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Pat Caddell to attack the Democrats as suppressing dissent is as credible as using Roman Polanski to argue for a lwoerring of the age of consent.</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#039;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &quot;solidarity&quot; for Israel&#039;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#039;s shoes. Just saying

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#8217;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &#8220;solidarity&#8221; for Israel&#8217;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#8217;s shoes. Just saying</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#039;t that obvious? or, isn&#039;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#039;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#8217;t that obvious? or, isn&#8217;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#8217;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You called me dude.  
Cool.

RIng a bell?
&quot;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&quot;
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#039;t really mean what you said.  Fine.
And I&#039;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#039;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#039;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#039;it was 20 years ago today...&#039;
Is there going to be a &quot;General Jaruzelski&quot; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#039;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#039;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You called me dude.<br />
Cool.</p>
<p>RIng a bell?<br />
&#8220;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&#8221;<br />
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#8217;t really mean what you said.  Fine.<br />
And I&#8217;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#8217;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#8217;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.<br />
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#8216;it was 20 years ago today&#8230;&#8217;<br />
Is there going to be a &#8220;General Jaruzelski&#8221; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#8217;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#8217;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t defend a &quot;dictator&quot; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#039; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#039;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#039;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &quot;muslim east&quot; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. 

Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t defend a &#8220;dictator&#8221; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#8217; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#8217;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#8217;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &#8220;muslim east&#8221; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. </p>
<p>Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, Marc&#039;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#039;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh? 
I won&#039;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#039;s political positions-folks can go read him or not - but I find comrade Ahmed&#039;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.  
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.  
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Marc&#8217;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#8217;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh?<br />
I won&#8217;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#8217;s political positions-folks can go read him or not &#8211; but I find comrade Ahmed&#8217;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.<br />
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.<br />
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!

In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.

Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#039;this is the best you guys are going to get&#039; Cuba,,,&#039;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!</p>
<p>In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.</p>
<p>Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#8217;this is the best you guys are going to get&#8217; Cuba,,,&#8217;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about suppressing dissent:  

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&#039;We better not see you on again,&#039; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I have heard that they&#039;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&quot;

Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. 

...Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &quot;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#039;re trying to do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about suppressing dissent:  </p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story" rel="nofollow">Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News</a></b><br />
<i>&#8216;We better not see you on again,&#8217; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.</i> </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have heard that they&#8217;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. </p>
<p>&#8230;Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &#8220;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#8217;re trying to do.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: b4</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, that&#039;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</i></p>
<p>Uh, that&#8217;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#039;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &quot;blogging&quot; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.

As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#8217;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &#8220;blogging&#8221; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.</p>
<p>As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed,

Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#039;s too much of a stretch.

Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed,</p>
<p>Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#8217;s too much of a stretch.</p>
<p>Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#039;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#039;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#039;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#039;s chai walla, I&#039;d go with Fidel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#8217;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#8217;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#8217;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#8217;s chai walla, I&#8217;d go with Fidel</p>
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		<title>By: Beautiful Horizons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beautiful Horizons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed:

You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed:</p>
<p>You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</p>
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		<dc:creator>hobo purses</dc:creator>
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		<description>Simply among the ideal posts that I have seen on this subject.  I&#039;m going to need to suggest your web-site to my friends.</description>
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		<description>Simply among the ideal posts that I have seen on this subject.  I&#039;m going to need to suggest your web-site to my friends.</description>
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		<dc:creator>Blogger Beaten Up. &#171; ModernityBlog</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell Terry that I said hi :-)</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed –
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.  
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#039;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#039;t defend it.&quot;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.  
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed –<br />
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.<br />
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#8217;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#8217;t defend it.&#8221;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html</a><br />
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Pat Caddell to attack the Democrats as suppressing dissent is as credible as using Roman Polanski to argue for a lwoerring of the age of consent.</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#039;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &quot;solidarity&quot; for Israel&#039;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#039;s shoes. Just saying

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#8217;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &#8220;solidarity&#8221; for Israel&#8217;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#8217;s shoes. Just saying</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#039;t that obvious? or, isn&#039;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#039;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#8217;t that obvious? or, isn&#8217;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#8217;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You called me dude.  
Cool.

RIng a bell?
&quot;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&quot;
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#039;t really mean what you said.  Fine.
And I&#039;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#039;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#039;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#039;it was 20 years ago today...&#039;
Is there going to be a &quot;General Jaruzelski&quot; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#039;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#039;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You called me dude.<br />
Cool.</p>
<p>RIng a bell?<br />
&#8220;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&#8221;<br />
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#8217;t really mean what you said.  Fine.<br />
And I&#8217;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#8217;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#8217;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.<br />
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#8216;it was 20 years ago today&#8230;&#8217;<br />
Is there going to be a &#8220;General Jaruzelski&#8221; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#8217;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#8217;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t defend a &quot;dictator&quot; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#039; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#039;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#039;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &quot;muslim east&quot; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. 

Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t defend a &#8220;dictator&#8221; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#8217; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#8217;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#8217;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &#8220;muslim east&#8221; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. </p>
<p>Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, Marc&#039;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#039;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh? 
I won&#039;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#039;s political positions-folks can go read him or not - but I find comrade Ahmed&#039;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.  
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.  
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Marc&#8217;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#8217;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh?<br />
I won&#8217;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#8217;s political positions-folks can go read him or not &#8211; but I find comrade Ahmed&#8217;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.<br />
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.<br />
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!

In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.

Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#039;this is the best you guys are going to get&#039; Cuba,,,&#039;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!</p>
<p>In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.</p>
<p>Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#8217;this is the best you guys are going to get&#8217; Cuba,,,&#8217;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about suppressing dissent:  

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&#039;We better not see you on again,&#039; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I have heard that they&#039;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&quot;

Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. 

...Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &quot;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#039;re trying to do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about suppressing dissent:  </p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story" rel="nofollow">Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News</a></b><br />
<i>&#8216;We better not see you on again,&#8217; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.</i> </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have heard that they&#8217;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. </p>
<p>&#8230;Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &#8220;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#8217;re trying to do.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: b4</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, that&#039;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</i></p>
<p>Uh, that&#8217;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#039;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &quot;blogging&quot; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.

As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#8217;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &#8220;blogging&#8221; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.</p>
<p>As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed,

Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#039;s too much of a stretch.

Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed,</p>
<p>Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#8217;s too much of a stretch.</p>
<p>Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#039;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#039;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#039;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#039;s chai walla, I&#039;d go with Fidel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#8217;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#8217;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#8217;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#8217;s chai walla, I&#8217;d go with Fidel</p>
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		<title>By: Beautiful Horizons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beautiful Horizons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed:

You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed:</p>
<p>You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</p>
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		<dc:creator>Blogger Beaten Up. &#171; ModernityBlog</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Read more at Martin&#8217;s and Marc Cooper. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell Terry that I said hi :-)</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed –
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.  
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#039;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#039;t defend it.&quot;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.  
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed –<br />
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.<br />
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#8217;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#8217;t defend it.&#8221;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html</a><br />
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Pat Caddell to attack the Democrats as suppressing dissent is as credible as using Roman Polanski to argue for a lwoerring of the age of consent.</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#039;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &quot;solidarity&quot; for Israel&#039;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#039;s shoes. Just saying

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#8217;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &#8220;solidarity&#8221; for Israel&#8217;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#8217;s shoes. Just saying</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#039;t that obvious? or, isn&#039;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#039;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#8217;t that obvious? or, isn&#8217;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#8217;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You called me dude.  
Cool.

RIng a bell?
&quot;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&quot;
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#039;t really mean what you said.  Fine.
And I&#039;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#039;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#039;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#039;it was 20 years ago today...&#039;
Is there going to be a &quot;General Jaruzelski&quot; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#039;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#039;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You called me dude.<br />
Cool.</p>
<p>RIng a bell?<br />
&#8220;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&#8221;<br />
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#8217;t really mean what you said.  Fine.<br />
And I&#8217;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#8217;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#8217;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.<br />
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#8216;it was 20 years ago today&#8230;&#8217;<br />
Is there going to be a &#8220;General Jaruzelski&#8221; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#8217;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#8217;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t defend a &quot;dictator&quot; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#039; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#039;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#039;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &quot;muslim east&quot; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. 

Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t defend a &#8220;dictator&#8221; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#8217; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#8217;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#8217;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &#8220;muslim east&#8221; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. </p>
<p>Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, Marc&#039;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#039;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh? 
I won&#039;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#039;s political positions-folks can go read him or not - but I find comrade Ahmed&#039;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.  
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.  
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Marc&#8217;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#8217;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh?<br />
I won&#8217;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#8217;s political positions-folks can go read him or not &#8211; but I find comrade Ahmed&#8217;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.<br />
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.<br />
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!

In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.

Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#039;this is the best you guys are going to get&#039; Cuba,,,&#039;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!</p>
<p>In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.</p>
<p>Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#8217;this is the best you guys are going to get&#8217; Cuba,,,&#8217;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about suppressing dissent:  

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&#039;We better not see you on again,&#039; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I have heard that they&#039;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&quot;

Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. 

...Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &quot;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#039;re trying to do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about suppressing dissent:  </p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story" rel="nofollow">Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News</a></b><br />
<i>&#8216;We better not see you on again,&#8217; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.</i> </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have heard that they&#8217;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. </p>
<p>&#8230;Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &#8220;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#8217;re trying to do.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: b4</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, that&#039;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</i></p>
<p>Uh, that&#8217;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#039;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &quot;blogging&quot; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.

As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#8217;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &#8220;blogging&#8221; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.</p>
<p>As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed,

Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#039;s too much of a stretch.

Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed,</p>
<p>Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#8217;s too much of a stretch.</p>
<p>Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#039;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#039;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#039;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#039;s chai walla, I&#039;d go with Fidel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#8217;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#8217;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#8217;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#8217;s chai walla, I&#8217;d go with Fidel</p>
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		<title>By: Beautiful Horizons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beautiful Horizons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed:

You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed:</p>
<p>You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell Terry that I said hi :-)</description>
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		<description>Tell Terry that I said hi :-)</description>
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		<description>Ahmed –
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.  
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#039;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#039;t defend it.&quot;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.  
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed –<br />
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.<br />
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#8217;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#8217;t defend it.&#8221;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html</a><br />
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Pat Caddell to attack the Democrats as suppressing dissent is as credible as using Roman Polanski to argue for a lwoerring of the age of consent.</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#039;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &quot;solidarity&quot; for Israel&#039;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#039;s shoes. Just saying

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#8217;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &#8220;solidarity&#8221; for Israel&#8217;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#8217;s shoes. Just saying</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#039;t that obvious? or, isn&#039;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#039;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#8217;t that obvious? or, isn&#8217;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#8217;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You called me dude.  
Cool.

RIng a bell?
&quot;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&quot;
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#039;t really mean what you said.  Fine.
And I&#039;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#039;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#039;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#039;it was 20 years ago today...&#039;
Is there going to be a &quot;General Jaruzelski&quot; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#039;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#039;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You called me dude.<br />
Cool.</p>
<p>RIng a bell?<br />
&#8220;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&#8221;<br />
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#8217;t really mean what you said.  Fine.<br />
And I&#8217;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#8217;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#8217;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.<br />
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#8216;it was 20 years ago today&#8230;&#8217;<br />
Is there going to be a &#8220;General Jaruzelski&#8221; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#8217;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#8217;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t defend a &quot;dictator&quot; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#039; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#039;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#039;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &quot;muslim east&quot; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. 

Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t defend a &#8220;dictator&#8221; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#8217; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#8217;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#8217;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &#8220;muslim east&#8221; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. </p>
<p>Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, Marc&#039;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#039;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh? 
I won&#039;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#039;s political positions-folks can go read him or not - but I find comrade Ahmed&#039;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.  
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.  
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Marc&#8217;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#8217;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh?<br />
I won&#8217;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#8217;s political positions-folks can go read him or not &#8211; but I find comrade Ahmed&#8217;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.<br />
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.<br />
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!

In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.

Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#039;this is the best you guys are going to get&#039; Cuba,,,&#039;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!</p>
<p>In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.</p>
<p>Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#8217;this is the best you guys are going to get&#8217; Cuba,,,&#8217;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/cuba-to-blggers-we-beat-you/comment-page-1/#comment-615677</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about suppressing dissent:  

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&#039;We better not see you on again,&#039; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I have heard that they&#039;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&quot;

Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. 

...Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &quot;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#039;re trying to do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about suppressing dissent:  </p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story" rel="nofollow">Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News</a></b><br />
<i>&#8216;We better not see you on again,&#8217; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.</i> </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have heard that they&#8217;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. </p>
<p>&#8230;Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &#8220;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#8217;re trying to do.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: b4</title>
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		<dc:creator>b4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, that&#039;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</i></p>
<p>Uh, that&#8217;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#039;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &quot;blogging&quot; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.

As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#8217;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &#8220;blogging&#8221; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.</p>
<p>As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed,

Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#039;s too much of a stretch.

Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed,</p>
<p>Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#8217;s too much of a stretch.</p>
<p>Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#039;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#039;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#039;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#039;s chai walla, I&#039;d go with Fidel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#8217;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#8217;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#8217;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#8217;s chai walla, I&#8217;d go with Fidel</p>
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		<title>By: Beautiful Horizons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beautiful Horizons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed:

You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed:</p>
<p>You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed –
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.  
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#039;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#039;t defend it.&quot;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.  
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed –<br />
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.<br />
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#8217;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#8217;t defend it.&#8221;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html</a><br />
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</p>
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		<description>Simply among the ideal posts that I have seen on this subject.  I&#039;m going to need to suggest your web-site to my friends.</description>
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		<title>By: Blogger Beaten Up. &#171; ModernityBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogger Beaten Up. &#171; ModernityBlog</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Read more at Martin&#8217;s and Marc Cooper. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell Terry that I said hi :-)</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed –
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.  
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#039;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#039;t defend it.&quot;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.  
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed –<br />
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.<br />
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#8217;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#8217;t defend it.&#8221;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html</a><br />
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Pat Caddell to attack the Democrats as suppressing dissent is as credible as using Roman Polanski to argue for a lwoerring of the age of consent.</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#039;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &quot;solidarity&quot; for Israel&#039;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#039;s shoes. Just saying

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#8217;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &#8220;solidarity&#8221; for Israel&#8217;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#8217;s shoes. Just saying</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#039;t that obvious? or, isn&#039;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#039;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#8217;t that obvious? or, isn&#8217;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#8217;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You called me dude.  
Cool.

RIng a bell?
&quot;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&quot;
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#039;t really mean what you said.  Fine.
And I&#039;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#039;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#039;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#039;it was 20 years ago today...&#039;
Is there going to be a &quot;General Jaruzelski&quot; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#039;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#039;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You called me dude.<br />
Cool.</p>
<p>RIng a bell?<br />
&#8220;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&#8221;<br />
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#8217;t really mean what you said.  Fine.<br />
And I&#8217;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#8217;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#8217;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.<br />
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#8216;it was 20 years ago today&#8230;&#8217;<br />
Is there going to be a &#8220;General Jaruzelski&#8221; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#8217;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#8217;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t defend a &quot;dictator&quot; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#039; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#039;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#039;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &quot;muslim east&quot; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. 

Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t defend a &#8220;dictator&#8221; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#8217; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#8217;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#8217;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &#8220;muslim east&#8221; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. </p>
<p>Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, Marc&#039;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#039;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh? 
I won&#039;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#039;s political positions-folks can go read him or not - but I find comrade Ahmed&#039;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.  
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.  
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Marc&#8217;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#8217;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh?<br />
I won&#8217;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#8217;s political positions-folks can go read him or not &#8211; but I find comrade Ahmed&#8217;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.<br />
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.<br />
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!

In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.

Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#039;this is the best you guys are going to get&#039; Cuba,,,&#039;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!</p>
<p>In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.</p>
<p>Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#8217;this is the best you guys are going to get&#8217; Cuba,,,&#8217;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#8217;</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about suppressing dissent:  

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&#039;We better not see you on again,&#039; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I have heard that they&#039;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&quot;

Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. 

...Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &quot;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#039;re trying to do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about suppressing dissent:  </p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story" rel="nofollow">Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News</a></b><br />
<i>&#8216;We better not see you on again,&#8217; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.</i> </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have heard that they&#8217;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. </p>
<p>&#8230;Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &#8220;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#8217;re trying to do.</p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, that&#039;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</i></p>
<p>Uh, that&#8217;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#039;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &quot;blogging&quot; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.

As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#8217;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &#8220;blogging&#8221; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.</p>
<p>As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed,

Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#039;s too much of a stretch.

Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed,</p>
<p>Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#8217;s too much of a stretch.</p>
<p>Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/cuba-to-blggers-we-beat-you/comment-page-1/#comment-615650</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#039;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#039;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#039;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#039;s chai walla, I&#039;d go with Fidel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#8217;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#8217;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#8217;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#8217;s chai walla, I&#8217;d go with Fidel</p>
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		<title>By: Beautiful Horizons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beautiful Horizons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed:

You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed:</p>
<p>You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Pat Caddell to attack the Democrats as suppressing dissent is as credible as using Roman Polanski to argue for a lwoerring of the age of consent.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 22:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simply among the ideal posts that I have seen on this subject.  I&#039;m going to need to suggest your web-site to my friends.</description>
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		<title>By: Blogger Beaten Up. &#171; ModernityBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogger Beaten Up. &#171; ModernityBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 03:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read more at Martin&#8217;s and Marc Cooper. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell Terry that I said hi :-)</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed –
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.  
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#039;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#039;t defend it.&quot;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.  
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed –<br />
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.<br />
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#8217;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#8217;t defend it.&#8221;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html</a><br />
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Pat Caddell to attack the Democrats as suppressing dissent is as credible as using Roman Polanski to argue for a lwoerring of the age of consent.</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#039;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &quot;solidarity&quot; for Israel&#039;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#039;s shoes. Just saying

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#8217;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &#8220;solidarity&#8221; for Israel&#8217;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#8217;s shoes. Just saying</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#039;t that obvious? or, isn&#039;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#039;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#8217;t that obvious? or, isn&#8217;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#8217;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You called me dude.  
Cool.

RIng a bell?
&quot;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&quot;
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#039;t really mean what you said.  Fine.
And I&#039;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#039;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#039;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#039;it was 20 years ago today...&#039;
Is there going to be a &quot;General Jaruzelski&quot; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#039;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#039;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You called me dude.<br />
Cool.</p>
<p>RIng a bell?<br />
&#8220;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&#8221;<br />
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#8217;t really mean what you said.  Fine.<br />
And I&#8217;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#8217;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#8217;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.<br />
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#8216;it was 20 years ago today&#8230;&#8217;<br />
Is there going to be a &#8220;General Jaruzelski&#8221; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#8217;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#8217;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t defend a &quot;dictator&quot; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#039; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#039;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#039;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &quot;muslim east&quot; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. 

Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t defend a &#8220;dictator&#8221; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#8217; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#8217;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#8217;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &#8220;muslim east&#8221; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. </p>
<p>Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, Marc&#039;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#039;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh? 
I won&#039;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#039;s political positions-folks can go read him or not - but I find comrade Ahmed&#039;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.  
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.  
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Marc&#8217;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#8217;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh?<br />
I won&#8217;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#8217;s political positions-folks can go read him or not &#8211; but I find comrade Ahmed&#8217;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.<br />
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.<br />
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!

In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.

Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#039;this is the best you guys are going to get&#039; Cuba,,,&#039;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!</p>
<p>In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.</p>
<p>Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#8217;this is the best you guys are going to get&#8217; Cuba,,,&#8217;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#8217;</p>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about suppressing dissent:  

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&#039;We better not see you on again,&#039; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I have heard that they&#039;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&quot;

Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. 

...Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &quot;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#039;re trying to do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about suppressing dissent:  </p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story" rel="nofollow">Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News</a></b><br />
<i>&#8216;We better not see you on again,&#8217; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.</i> </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have heard that they&#8217;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. </p>
<p>&#8230;Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &#8220;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#8217;re trying to do.</p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, that&#039;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</i></p>
<p>Uh, that&#8217;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#039;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &quot;blogging&quot; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.

As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#8217;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &#8220;blogging&#8221; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.</p>
<p>As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed,

Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#039;s too much of a stretch.

Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed,</p>
<p>Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#8217;s too much of a stretch.</p>
<p>Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#039;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#039;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#039;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#039;s chai walla, I&#039;d go with Fidel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#8217;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#8217;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#8217;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#8217;s chai walla, I&#8217;d go with Fidel</p>
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		<title>By: Beautiful Horizons</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed:

You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed:</p>
<p>You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#039;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &quot;solidarity&quot; for Israel&#039;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#039;s shoes. Just saying

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#8217;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &#8220;solidarity&#8221; for Israel&#8217;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#8217;s shoes. Just saying</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</a></p>
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		<description>Simply among the ideal posts that I have seen on this subject.  I&#039;m going to need to suggest your web-site to my friends.</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell Terry that I said hi :-)</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed –
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.  
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#039;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#039;t defend it.&quot;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.  
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed –<br />
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.<br />
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#8217;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#8217;t defend it.&#8221;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html</a><br />
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Pat Caddell to attack the Democrats as suppressing dissent is as credible as using Roman Polanski to argue for a lwoerring of the age of consent.</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#039;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &quot;solidarity&quot; for Israel&#039;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#039;s shoes. Just saying

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#8217;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &#8220;solidarity&#8221; for Israel&#8217;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#8217;s shoes. Just saying</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#039;t that obvious? or, isn&#039;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#039;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#8217;t that obvious? or, isn&#8217;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#8217;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You called me dude.  
Cool.

RIng a bell?
&quot;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&quot;
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#039;t really mean what you said.  Fine.
And I&#039;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#039;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#039;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#039;it was 20 years ago today...&#039;
Is there going to be a &quot;General Jaruzelski&quot; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#039;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#039;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You called me dude.<br />
Cool.</p>
<p>RIng a bell?<br />
&#8220;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&#8221;<br />
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#8217;t really mean what you said.  Fine.<br />
And I&#8217;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#8217;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#8217;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.<br />
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#8216;it was 20 years ago today&#8230;&#8217;<br />
Is there going to be a &#8220;General Jaruzelski&#8221; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#8217;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#8217;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t defend a &quot;dictator&quot; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#039; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#039;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#039;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &quot;muslim east&quot; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. 

Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t defend a &#8220;dictator&#8221; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#8217; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#8217;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#8217;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &#8220;muslim east&#8221; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. </p>
<p>Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, Marc&#039;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#039;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh? 
I won&#039;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#039;s political positions-folks can go read him or not - but I find comrade Ahmed&#039;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.  
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.  
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Marc&#8217;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#8217;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh?<br />
I won&#8217;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#8217;s political positions-folks can go read him or not &#8211; but I find comrade Ahmed&#8217;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.<br />
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.<br />
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!

In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.

Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#039;this is the best you guys are going to get&#039; Cuba,,,&#039;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!</p>
<p>In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.</p>
<p>Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#8217;this is the best you guys are going to get&#8217; Cuba,,,&#8217;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about suppressing dissent:  

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&#039;We better not see you on again,&#039; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I have heard that they&#039;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&quot;

Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. 

...Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &quot;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#039;re trying to do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about suppressing dissent:  </p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story" rel="nofollow">Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News</a></b><br />
<i>&#8216;We better not see you on again,&#8217; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.</i> </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have heard that they&#8217;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. </p>
<p>&#8230;Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &#8220;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#8217;re trying to do.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: b4</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, that&#039;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</i></p>
<p>Uh, that&#8217;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#039;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &quot;blogging&quot; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.

As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#8217;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &#8220;blogging&#8221; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.</p>
<p>As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed,

Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#039;s too much of a stretch.

Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed,</p>
<p>Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#8217;s too much of a stretch.</p>
<p>Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#039;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#039;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#039;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#039;s chai walla, I&#039;d go with Fidel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#8217;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#8217;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#8217;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#8217;s chai walla, I&#8217;d go with Fidel</p>
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		<title>By: Beautiful Horizons</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed:

You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed:</p>
<p>You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#039;t that obvious? or, isn&#039;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#039;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#8217;t that obvious? or, isn&#8217;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#8217;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</p>
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		<description>Simply among the ideal posts that I have seen on this subject.  I&#039;m going to need to suggest your web-site to my friends.</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell Terry that I said hi :-)</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed –
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.  
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#039;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#039;t defend it.&quot;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.  
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed –<br />
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.<br />
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#8217;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#8217;t defend it.&#8221;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html</a><br />
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Pat Caddell to attack the Democrats as suppressing dissent is as credible as using Roman Polanski to argue for a lwoerring of the age of consent.</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#039;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &quot;solidarity&quot; for Israel&#039;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#039;s shoes. Just saying

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#8217;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &#8220;solidarity&#8221; for Israel&#8217;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#8217;s shoes. Just saying</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#039;t that obvious? or, isn&#039;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#039;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#8217;t that obvious? or, isn&#8217;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#8217;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You called me dude.  
Cool.

RIng a bell?
&quot;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&quot;
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#039;t really mean what you said.  Fine.
And I&#039;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#039;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#039;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#039;it was 20 years ago today...&#039;
Is there going to be a &quot;General Jaruzelski&quot; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#039;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#039;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You called me dude.<br />
Cool.</p>
<p>RIng a bell?<br />
&#8220;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&#8221;<br />
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#8217;t really mean what you said.  Fine.<br />
And I&#8217;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#8217;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#8217;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.<br />
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#8216;it was 20 years ago today&#8230;&#8217;<br />
Is there going to be a &#8220;General Jaruzelski&#8221; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#8217;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#8217;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t defend a &quot;dictator&quot; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#039; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#039;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#039;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &quot;muslim east&quot; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. 

Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t defend a &#8220;dictator&#8221; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#8217; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#8217;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#8217;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &#8220;muslim east&#8221; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. </p>
<p>Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, Marc&#039;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#039;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh? 
I won&#039;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#039;s political positions-folks can go read him or not - but I find comrade Ahmed&#039;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.  
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.  
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Marc&#8217;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#8217;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh?<br />
I won&#8217;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#8217;s political positions-folks can go read him or not &#8211; but I find comrade Ahmed&#8217;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.<br />
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.<br />
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!

In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.

Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#039;this is the best you guys are going to get&#039; Cuba,,,&#039;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!</p>
<p>In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.</p>
<p>Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#8217;this is the best you guys are going to get&#8217; Cuba,,,&#8217;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about suppressing dissent:  

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&#039;We better not see you on again,&#039; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I have heard that they&#039;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&quot;

Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. 

...Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &quot;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#039;re trying to do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about suppressing dissent:  </p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story" rel="nofollow">Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News</a></b><br />
<i>&#8216;We better not see you on again,&#8217; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.</i> </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have heard that they&#8217;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. </p>
<p>&#8230;Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &#8220;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#8217;re trying to do.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: b4</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, that&#039;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</i></p>
<p>Uh, that&#8217;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#039;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &quot;blogging&quot; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.

As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#8217;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &#8220;blogging&#8221; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.</p>
<p>As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed,

Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#039;s too much of a stretch.

Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed,</p>
<p>Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#8217;s too much of a stretch.</p>
<p>Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#039;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#039;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#039;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#039;s chai walla, I&#039;d go with Fidel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#8217;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#8217;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#8217;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#8217;s chai walla, I&#8217;d go with Fidel</p>
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		<title>By: Beautiful Horizons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beautiful Horizons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed:

You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed:</p>
<p>You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You called me dude.  
Cool.

RIng a bell?
&quot;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&quot;
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#039;t really mean what you said.  Fine.
And I&#039;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#039;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#039;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#039;it was 20 years ago today...&#039;
Is there going to be a &quot;General Jaruzelski&quot; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#039;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#039;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You called me dude.<br />
Cool.</p>
<p>RIng a bell?<br />
&#8220;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&#8221;<br />
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#8217;t really mean what you said.  Fine.<br />
And I&#8217;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#8217;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#8217;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.<br />
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#8216;it was 20 years ago today&#8230;&#8217;<br />
Is there going to be a &#8220;General Jaruzelski&#8221; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#8217;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#8217;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</p>
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		<description>Tell Terry that I said hi :-)</description>
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		<description>Ahmed –
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.  
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#039;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#039;t defend it.&quot;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.  
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed –<br />
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.<br />
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#8217;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#8217;t defend it.&#8221;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html</a><br />
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Pat Caddell to attack the Democrats as suppressing dissent is as credible as using Roman Polanski to argue for a lwoerring of the age of consent.</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#039;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &quot;solidarity&quot; for Israel&#039;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#039;s shoes. Just saying

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#8217;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &#8220;solidarity&#8221; for Israel&#8217;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#8217;s shoes. Just saying</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#039;t that obvious? or, isn&#039;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#039;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#8217;t that obvious? or, isn&#8217;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#8217;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You called me dude.  
Cool.

RIng a bell?
&quot;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&quot;
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#039;t really mean what you said.  Fine.
And I&#039;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#039;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#039;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#039;it was 20 years ago today...&#039;
Is there going to be a &quot;General Jaruzelski&quot; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#039;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#039;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You called me dude.<br />
Cool.</p>
<p>RIng a bell?<br />
&#8220;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&#8221;<br />
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#8217;t really mean what you said.  Fine.<br />
And I&#8217;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#8217;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#8217;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.<br />
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#8216;it was 20 years ago today&#8230;&#8217;<br />
Is there going to be a &#8220;General Jaruzelski&#8221; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#8217;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#8217;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t defend a &quot;dictator&quot; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#039; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#039;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#039;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &quot;muslim east&quot; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. 

Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t defend a &#8220;dictator&#8221; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#8217; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#8217;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#8217;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &#8220;muslim east&#8221; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. </p>
<p>Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, Marc&#039;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#039;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh? 
I won&#039;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#039;s political positions-folks can go read him or not - but I find comrade Ahmed&#039;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.  
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.  
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Marc&#8217;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#8217;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh?<br />
I won&#8217;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#8217;s political positions-folks can go read him or not &#8211; but I find comrade Ahmed&#8217;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.<br />
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.<br />
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!

In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.

Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#039;this is the best you guys are going to get&#039; Cuba,,,&#039;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!</p>
<p>In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.</p>
<p>Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#8217;this is the best you guys are going to get&#8217; Cuba,,,&#8217;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about suppressing dissent:  

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&#039;We better not see you on again,&#039; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I have heard that they&#039;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&quot;

Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. 

...Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &quot;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#039;re trying to do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about suppressing dissent:  </p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story" rel="nofollow">Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News</a></b><br />
<i>&#8216;We better not see you on again,&#8217; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.</i> </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have heard that they&#8217;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. </p>
<p>&#8230;Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &#8220;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#8217;re trying to do.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: b4</title>
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		<dc:creator>b4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, that&#039;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</i></p>
<p>Uh, that&#8217;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#039;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &quot;blogging&quot; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.

As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#8217;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &#8220;blogging&#8221; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.</p>
<p>As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed,

Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#039;s too much of a stretch.

Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed,</p>
<p>Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#8217;s too much of a stretch.</p>
<p>Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#039;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#039;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#039;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#039;s chai walla, I&#039;d go with Fidel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#8217;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#8217;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#8217;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#8217;s chai walla, I&#8217;d go with Fidel</p>
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		<title>By: Beautiful Horizons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beautiful Horizons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed:

You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed:</p>
<p>You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t defend a &quot;dictator&quot; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#039; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#039;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#039;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &quot;muslim east&quot; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. 

Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t defend a &#8220;dictator&#8221; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#8217; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#8217;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#8217;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &#8220;muslim east&#8221; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. </p>
<p>Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</p>
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		<description>Simply among the ideal posts that I have seen on this subject.  I&#039;m going to need to suggest your web-site to my friends.</description>
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		<title>By: Blogger Beaten Up. &#171; ModernityBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogger Beaten Up. &#171; ModernityBlog</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Read more at Martin&#8217;s and Marc Cooper. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell Terry that I said hi :-)</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed –
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.  
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#039;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#039;t defend it.&quot;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.  
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed –<br />
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.<br />
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#8217;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#8217;t defend it.&#8221;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html</a><br />
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Pat Caddell to attack the Democrats as suppressing dissent is as credible as using Roman Polanski to argue for a lwoerring of the age of consent.</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#039;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &quot;solidarity&quot; for Israel&#039;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#039;s shoes. Just saying

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#8217;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &#8220;solidarity&#8221; for Israel&#8217;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#8217;s shoes. Just saying</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#039;t that obvious? or, isn&#039;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#039;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#8217;t that obvious? or, isn&#8217;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#8217;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You called me dude.  
Cool.

RIng a bell?
&quot;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&quot;
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#039;t really mean what you said.  Fine.
And I&#039;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#039;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#039;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#039;it was 20 years ago today...&#039;
Is there going to be a &quot;General Jaruzelski&quot; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#039;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#039;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You called me dude.<br />
Cool.</p>
<p>RIng a bell?<br />
&#8220;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&#8221;<br />
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#8217;t really mean what you said.  Fine.<br />
And I&#8217;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#8217;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#8217;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.<br />
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#8216;it was 20 years ago today&#8230;&#8217;<br />
Is there going to be a &#8220;General Jaruzelski&#8221; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#8217;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#8217;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t defend a &quot;dictator&quot; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#039; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#039;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#039;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &quot;muslim east&quot; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. 

Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t defend a &#8220;dictator&#8221; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#8217; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#8217;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#8217;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &#8220;muslim east&#8221; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. </p>
<p>Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, Marc&#039;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#039;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh? 
I won&#039;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#039;s political positions-folks can go read him or not - but I find comrade Ahmed&#039;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.  
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.  
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Marc&#8217;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#8217;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh?<br />
I won&#8217;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#8217;s political positions-folks can go read him or not &#8211; but I find comrade Ahmed&#8217;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.<br />
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.<br />
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!

In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.

Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#039;this is the best you guys are going to get&#039; Cuba,,,&#039;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!</p>
<p>In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.</p>
<p>Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#8217;this is the best you guys are going to get&#8217; Cuba,,,&#8217;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#8217;</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about suppressing dissent:  

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&#039;We better not see you on again,&#039; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I have heard that they&#039;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&quot;

Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. 

...Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &quot;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#039;re trying to do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about suppressing dissent:  </p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story" rel="nofollow">Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News</a></b><br />
<i>&#8216;We better not see you on again,&#8217; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.</i> </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have heard that they&#8217;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. </p>
<p>&#8230;Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &#8220;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#8217;re trying to do.</p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, that&#039;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</i></p>
<p>Uh, that&#8217;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#039;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &quot;blogging&quot; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.

As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#8217;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &#8220;blogging&#8221; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.</p>
<p>As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed,

Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#039;s too much of a stretch.

Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed,</p>
<p>Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#8217;s too much of a stretch.</p>
<p>Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#039;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#039;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#039;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#039;s chai walla, I&#039;d go with Fidel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#8217;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#8217;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#8217;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#8217;s chai walla, I&#8217;d go with Fidel</p>
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		<title>By: Beautiful Horizons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beautiful Horizons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed:

You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed:</p>
<p>You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, Marc&#039;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#039;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh? 
I won&#039;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#039;s political positions-folks can go read him or not - but I find comrade Ahmed&#039;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.  
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.  
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Marc&#8217;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#8217;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh?<br />
I won&#8217;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#8217;s political positions-folks can go read him or not &#8211; but I find comrade Ahmed&#8217;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.<br />
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.<br />
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</p>
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		<description>Simply among the ideal posts that I have seen on this subject.  I&#039;m going to need to suggest your web-site to my friends.</description>
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		<title>By: Blogger Beaten Up. &#171; ModernityBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogger Beaten Up. &#171; ModernityBlog</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Read more at Martin&#8217;s and Marc Cooper. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell Terry that I said hi :-)</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed –
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.  
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#039;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#039;t defend it.&quot;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.  
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed –<br />
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.<br />
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#8217;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#8217;t defend it.&#8221;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html</a><br />
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Pat Caddell to attack the Democrats as suppressing dissent is as credible as using Roman Polanski to argue for a lwoerring of the age of consent.</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#039;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &quot;solidarity&quot; for Israel&#039;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#039;s shoes. Just saying

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#8217;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &#8220;solidarity&#8221; for Israel&#8217;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#8217;s shoes. Just saying</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#039;t that obvious? or, isn&#039;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#039;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#8217;t that obvious? or, isn&#8217;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#8217;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You called me dude.  
Cool.

RIng a bell?
&quot;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&quot;
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#039;t really mean what you said.  Fine.
And I&#039;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#039;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#039;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#039;it was 20 years ago today...&#039;
Is there going to be a &quot;General Jaruzelski&quot; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#039;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#039;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You called me dude.<br />
Cool.</p>
<p>RIng a bell?<br />
&#8220;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&#8221;<br />
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#8217;t really mean what you said.  Fine.<br />
And I&#8217;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#8217;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#8217;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.<br />
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#8216;it was 20 years ago today&#8230;&#8217;<br />
Is there going to be a &#8220;General Jaruzelski&#8221; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#8217;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#8217;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t defend a &quot;dictator&quot; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#039; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#039;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#039;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &quot;muslim east&quot; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. 

Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t defend a &#8220;dictator&#8221; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#8217; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#8217;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#8217;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &#8220;muslim east&#8221; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. </p>
<p>Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, Marc&#039;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#039;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh? 
I won&#039;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#039;s political positions-folks can go read him or not - but I find comrade Ahmed&#039;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.  
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.  
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Marc&#8217;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#8217;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh?<br />
I won&#8217;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#8217;s political positions-folks can go read him or not &#8211; but I find comrade Ahmed&#8217;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.<br />
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.<br />
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!

In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.

Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#039;this is the best you guys are going to get&#039; Cuba,,,&#039;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!</p>
<p>In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.</p>
<p>Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#8217;this is the best you guys are going to get&#8217; Cuba,,,&#8217;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#8217;</p>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about suppressing dissent:  

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&#039;We better not see you on again,&#039; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I have heard that they&#039;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&quot;

Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. 

...Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &quot;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#039;re trying to do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about suppressing dissent:  </p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story" rel="nofollow">Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News</a></b><br />
<i>&#8216;We better not see you on again,&#8217; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.</i> </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have heard that they&#8217;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. </p>
<p>&#8230;Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &#8220;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#8217;re trying to do.</p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, that&#039;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</i></p>
<p>Uh, that&#8217;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#039;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &quot;blogging&quot; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.

As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#8217;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &#8220;blogging&#8221; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.</p>
<p>As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed,

Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#039;s too much of a stretch.

Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed,</p>
<p>Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#8217;s too much of a stretch.</p>
<p>Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#039;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#039;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#039;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#039;s chai walla, I&#039;d go with Fidel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#8217;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#8217;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#8217;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#8217;s chai walla, I&#8217;d go with Fidel</p>
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		<dc:creator>Beautiful Horizons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed:

You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed:</p>
<p>You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!

In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.

Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#039;this is the best you guys are going to get&#039; Cuba,,,&#039;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!</p>
<p>In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.</p>
<p>Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#8217;this is the best you guys are going to get&#8217; Cuba,,,&#8217;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell Terry that I said hi :-)</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed –
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.  
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#039;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#039;t defend it.&quot;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.  
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed –<br />
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.<br />
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#8217;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#8217;t defend it.&#8221;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html</a><br />
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Pat Caddell to attack the Democrats as suppressing dissent is as credible as using Roman Polanski to argue for a lwoerring of the age of consent.</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#039;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &quot;solidarity&quot; for Israel&#039;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#039;s shoes. Just saying

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#8217;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &#8220;solidarity&#8221; for Israel&#8217;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#8217;s shoes. Just saying</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#039;t that obvious? or, isn&#039;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#039;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#8217;t that obvious? or, isn&#8217;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#8217;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You called me dude.  
Cool.

RIng a bell?
&quot;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&quot;
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#039;t really mean what you said.  Fine.
And I&#039;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#039;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#039;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#039;it was 20 years ago today...&#039;
Is there going to be a &quot;General Jaruzelski&quot; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#039;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#039;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You called me dude.<br />
Cool.</p>
<p>RIng a bell?<br />
&#8220;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&#8221;<br />
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#8217;t really mean what you said.  Fine.<br />
And I&#8217;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#8217;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#8217;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.<br />
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#8216;it was 20 years ago today&#8230;&#8217;<br />
Is there going to be a &#8220;General Jaruzelski&#8221; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#8217;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#8217;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t defend a &quot;dictator&quot; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#039; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#039;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#039;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &quot;muslim east&quot; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. 

Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t defend a &#8220;dictator&#8221; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#8217; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#8217;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#8217;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &#8220;muslim east&#8221; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. </p>
<p>Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</p>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, Marc&#039;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#039;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh? 
I won&#039;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#039;s political positions-folks can go read him or not - but I find comrade Ahmed&#039;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.  
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.  
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Marc&#8217;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#8217;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh?<br />
I won&#8217;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#8217;s political positions-folks can go read him or not &#8211; but I find comrade Ahmed&#8217;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.<br />
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.<br />
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!

In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.

Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#039;this is the best you guys are going to get&#039; Cuba,,,&#039;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!</p>
<p>In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.</p>
<p>Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#8217;this is the best you guys are going to get&#8217; Cuba,,,&#8217;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about suppressing dissent:  

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&#039;We better not see you on again,&#039; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I have heard that they&#039;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&quot;

Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. 

...Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &quot;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#039;re trying to do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about suppressing dissent:  </p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story" rel="nofollow">Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News</a></b><br />
<i>&#8216;We better not see you on again,&#8217; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.</i> </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have heard that they&#8217;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. </p>
<p>&#8230;Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &#8220;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#8217;re trying to do.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: b4</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, that&#039;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</i></p>
<p>Uh, that&#8217;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#039;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &quot;blogging&quot; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.

As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#8217;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &#8220;blogging&#8221; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.</p>
<p>As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed,

Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#039;s too much of a stretch.

Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed,</p>
<p>Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#8217;s too much of a stretch.</p>
<p>Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#039;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#039;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#039;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#039;s chai walla, I&#039;d go with Fidel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#8217;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#8217;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#8217;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#8217;s chai walla, I&#8217;d go with Fidel</p>
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		<dc:creator>Beautiful Horizons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed:

You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed:</p>
<p>You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about suppressing dissent:  

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&#039;We better not see you on again,&#039; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I have heard that they&#039;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&quot;

Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. 

...Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &quot;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#039;re trying to do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about suppressing dissent:  </p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story" rel="nofollow">Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News</a></b><br />
<i>&#8216;We better not see you on again,&#8217; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.</i> </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have heard that they&#8217;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. </p>
<p>&#8230;Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &#8220;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#8217;re trying to do.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell Terry that I said hi :-)</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed –
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.  
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#039;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#039;t defend it.&quot;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.  
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed –<br />
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.<br />
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#8217;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#8217;t defend it.&#8221;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html</a><br />
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Pat Caddell to attack the Democrats as suppressing dissent is as credible as using Roman Polanski to argue for a lwoerring of the age of consent.</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#039;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &quot;solidarity&quot; for Israel&#039;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#039;s shoes. Just saying

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#8217;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &#8220;solidarity&#8221; for Israel&#8217;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#8217;s shoes. Just saying</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#039;t that obvious? or, isn&#039;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#039;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#8217;t that obvious? or, isn&#8217;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#8217;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You called me dude.  
Cool.

RIng a bell?
&quot;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&quot;
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#039;t really mean what you said.  Fine.
And I&#039;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#039;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#039;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#039;it was 20 years ago today...&#039;
Is there going to be a &quot;General Jaruzelski&quot; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#039;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#039;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You called me dude.<br />
Cool.</p>
<p>RIng a bell?<br />
&#8220;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&#8221;<br />
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#8217;t really mean what you said.  Fine.<br />
And I&#8217;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#8217;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#8217;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.<br />
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#8216;it was 20 years ago today&#8230;&#8217;<br />
Is there going to be a &#8220;General Jaruzelski&#8221; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#8217;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#8217;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t defend a &quot;dictator&quot; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#039; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#039;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#039;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &quot;muslim east&quot; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. 

Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t defend a &#8220;dictator&#8221; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#8217; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#8217;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#8217;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &#8220;muslim east&#8221; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. </p>
<p>Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, Marc&#039;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#039;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh? 
I won&#039;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#039;s political positions-folks can go read him or not - but I find comrade Ahmed&#039;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.  
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.  
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Marc&#8217;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#8217;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh?<br />
I won&#8217;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#8217;s political positions-folks can go read him or not &#8211; but I find comrade Ahmed&#8217;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.<br />
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.<br />
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!

In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.

Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#039;this is the best you guys are going to get&#039; Cuba,,,&#039;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!</p>
<p>In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.</p>
<p>Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#8217;this is the best you guys are going to get&#8217; Cuba,,,&#8217;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about suppressing dissent:  

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&#039;We better not see you on again,&#039; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I have heard that they&#039;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&quot;

Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. 

...Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &quot;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#039;re trying to do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about suppressing dissent:  </p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story" rel="nofollow">Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News</a></b><br />
<i>&#8216;We better not see you on again,&#8217; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.</i> </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have heard that they&#8217;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. </p>
<p>&#8230;Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &#8220;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#8217;re trying to do.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: b4</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, that&#039;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</i></p>
<p>Uh, that&#8217;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#039;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &quot;blogging&quot; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.

As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#8217;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &#8220;blogging&#8221; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.</p>
<p>As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed,

Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#039;s too much of a stretch.

Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed,</p>
<p>Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#8217;s too much of a stretch.</p>
<p>Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#039;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#039;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#039;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#039;s chai walla, I&#039;d go with Fidel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#8217;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#8217;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#8217;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#8217;s chai walla, I&#8217;d go with Fidel</p>
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		<title>By: Beautiful Horizons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beautiful Horizons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed:

You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed:</p>
<p>You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>b4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, that&#039;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</i></p>
<p>Uh, that&#8217;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</p>
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		<description>Tell Terry that I said hi :-)</description>
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		<description>Ahmed –
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.  
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#039;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#039;t defend it.&quot;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.  
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed –<br />
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.<br />
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#8217;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#8217;t defend it.&#8221;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html</a><br />
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Pat Caddell to attack the Democrats as suppressing dissent is as credible as using Roman Polanski to argue for a lwoerring of the age of consent.</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#039;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &quot;solidarity&quot; for Israel&#039;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#039;s shoes. Just saying

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#8217;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &#8220;solidarity&#8221; for Israel&#8217;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#8217;s shoes. Just saying</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#039;t that obvious? or, isn&#039;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#039;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#8217;t that obvious? or, isn&#8217;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#8217;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You called me dude.  
Cool.

RIng a bell?
&quot;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&quot;
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#039;t really mean what you said.  Fine.
And I&#039;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#039;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#039;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#039;it was 20 years ago today...&#039;
Is there going to be a &quot;General Jaruzelski&quot; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#039;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#039;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You called me dude.<br />
Cool.</p>
<p>RIng a bell?<br />
&#8220;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&#8221;<br />
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#8217;t really mean what you said.  Fine.<br />
And I&#8217;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#8217;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#8217;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.<br />
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#8216;it was 20 years ago today&#8230;&#8217;<br />
Is there going to be a &#8220;General Jaruzelski&#8221; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#8217;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#8217;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t defend a &quot;dictator&quot; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#039; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#039;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#039;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &quot;muslim east&quot; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. 

Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t defend a &#8220;dictator&#8221; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#8217; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#8217;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#8217;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &#8220;muslim east&#8221; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. </p>
<p>Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, Marc&#039;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#039;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh? 
I won&#039;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#039;s political positions-folks can go read him or not - but I find comrade Ahmed&#039;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.  
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.  
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Marc&#8217;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#8217;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh?<br />
I won&#8217;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#8217;s political positions-folks can go read him or not &#8211; but I find comrade Ahmed&#8217;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.<br />
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.<br />
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!

In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.

Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#039;this is the best you guys are going to get&#039; Cuba,,,&#039;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!</p>
<p>In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.</p>
<p>Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#8217;this is the best you guys are going to get&#8217; Cuba,,,&#8217;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about suppressing dissent:  

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&#039;We better not see you on again,&#039; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I have heard that they&#039;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&quot;

Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. 

...Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &quot;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#039;re trying to do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about suppressing dissent:  </p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story" rel="nofollow">Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News</a></b><br />
<i>&#8216;We better not see you on again,&#8217; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.</i> </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have heard that they&#8217;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. </p>
<p>&#8230;Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &#8220;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#8217;re trying to do.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: b4</title>
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		<dc:creator>b4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, that&#039;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</i></p>
<p>Uh, that&#8217;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#039;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &quot;blogging&quot; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.

As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#8217;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &#8220;blogging&#8221; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.</p>
<p>As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed,

Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#039;s too much of a stretch.

Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</description>
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<p>Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#8217;s too much of a stretch.</p>
<p>Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#039;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#039;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#039;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#039;s chai walla, I&#039;d go with Fidel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#8217;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#8217;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#8217;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#8217;s chai walla, I&#8217;d go with Fidel</p>
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		<title>By: Beautiful Horizons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beautiful Horizons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed:

You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed:</p>
<p>You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#039;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &quot;blogging&quot; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.

As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#8217;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &#8220;blogging&#8221; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.</p>
<p>As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</p>
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		<description>Simply among the ideal posts that I have seen on this subject.  I&#039;m going to need to suggest your web-site to my friends.</description>
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		<title>By: Blogger Beaten Up. &#171; ModernityBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogger Beaten Up. &#171; ModernityBlog</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Read more at Martin&#8217;s and Marc Cooper. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell Terry that I said hi :-)</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed –
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.  
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#039;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#039;t defend it.&quot;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.  
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed –<br />
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.<br />
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#8217;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#8217;t defend it.&#8221;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html</a><br />
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Pat Caddell to attack the Democrats as suppressing dissent is as credible as using Roman Polanski to argue for a lwoerring of the age of consent.</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#039;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &quot;solidarity&quot; for Israel&#039;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#039;s shoes. Just saying

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#8217;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &#8220;solidarity&#8221; for Israel&#8217;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#8217;s shoes. Just saying</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#039;t that obvious? or, isn&#039;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#039;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#8217;t that obvious? or, isn&#8217;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#8217;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You called me dude.  
Cool.

RIng a bell?
&quot;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&quot;
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#039;t really mean what you said.  Fine.
And I&#039;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#039;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#039;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#039;it was 20 years ago today...&#039;
Is there going to be a &quot;General Jaruzelski&quot; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#039;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#039;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You called me dude.<br />
Cool.</p>
<p>RIng a bell?<br />
&#8220;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&#8221;<br />
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#8217;t really mean what you said.  Fine.<br />
And I&#8217;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#8217;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#8217;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.<br />
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#8216;it was 20 years ago today&#8230;&#8217;<br />
Is there going to be a &#8220;General Jaruzelski&#8221; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#8217;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#8217;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t defend a &quot;dictator&quot; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#039; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#039;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#039;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &quot;muslim east&quot; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. 

Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t defend a &#8220;dictator&#8221; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#8217; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#8217;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#8217;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &#8220;muslim east&#8221; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. </p>
<p>Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, Marc&#039;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#039;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh? 
I won&#039;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#039;s political positions-folks can go read him or not - but I find comrade Ahmed&#039;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.  
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.  
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Marc&#8217;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#8217;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh?<br />
I won&#8217;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#8217;s political positions-folks can go read him or not &#8211; but I find comrade Ahmed&#8217;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.<br />
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.<br />
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!

In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.

Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#039;this is the best you guys are going to get&#039; Cuba,,,&#039;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!</p>
<p>In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.</p>
<p>Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#8217;this is the best you guys are going to get&#8217; Cuba,,,&#8217;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#8217;</p>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about suppressing dissent:  

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&#039;We better not see you on again,&#039; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I have heard that they&#039;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&quot;

Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. 

...Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &quot;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#039;re trying to do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about suppressing dissent:  </p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story" rel="nofollow">Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News</a></b><br />
<i>&#8216;We better not see you on again,&#8217; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.</i> </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have heard that they&#8217;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. </p>
<p>&#8230;Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &#8220;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#8217;re trying to do.</p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, that&#039;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</i></p>
<p>Uh, that&#8217;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#039;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &quot;blogging&quot; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.

As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#8217;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &#8220;blogging&#8221; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.</p>
<p>As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed,

Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#039;s too much of a stretch.

Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed,</p>
<p>Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#8217;s too much of a stretch.</p>
<p>Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#039;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#039;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#039;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#039;s chai walla, I&#039;d go with Fidel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#8217;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#8217;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#8217;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#8217;s chai walla, I&#8217;d go with Fidel</p>
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		<title>By: Beautiful Horizons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beautiful Horizons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed:

You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed:</p>
<p>You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed,

Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#039;s too much of a stretch.

Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed,</p>
<p>Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#8217;s too much of a stretch.</p>
<p>Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</p>
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		<description>Simply among the ideal posts that I have seen on this subject.  I&#039;m going to need to suggest your web-site to my friends.</description>
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		<title>By: Blogger Beaten Up. &#171; ModernityBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogger Beaten Up. &#171; ModernityBlog</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell Terry that I said hi :-)</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed –
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.  
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#039;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#039;t defend it.&quot;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.  
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed –<br />
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.<br />
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#8217;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#8217;t defend it.&#8221;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html</a><br />
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Pat Caddell to attack the Democrats as suppressing dissent is as credible as using Roman Polanski to argue for a lwoerring of the age of consent.</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#039;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &quot;solidarity&quot; for Israel&#039;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#039;s shoes. Just saying

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#8217;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &#8220;solidarity&#8221; for Israel&#8217;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#8217;s shoes. Just saying</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#039;t that obvious? or, isn&#039;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#039;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#8217;t that obvious? or, isn&#8217;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#8217;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You called me dude.  
Cool.

RIng a bell?
&quot;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&quot;
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#039;t really mean what you said.  Fine.
And I&#039;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#039;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#039;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#039;it was 20 years ago today...&#039;
Is there going to be a &quot;General Jaruzelski&quot; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#039;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#039;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You called me dude.<br />
Cool.</p>
<p>RIng a bell?<br />
&#8220;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&#8221;<br />
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#8217;t really mean what you said.  Fine.<br />
And I&#8217;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#8217;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#8217;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.<br />
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#8216;it was 20 years ago today&#8230;&#8217;<br />
Is there going to be a &#8220;General Jaruzelski&#8221; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#8217;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#8217;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t defend a &quot;dictator&quot; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#039; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#039;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#039;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &quot;muslim east&quot; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. 

Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t defend a &#8220;dictator&#8221; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#8217; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#8217;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#8217;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &#8220;muslim east&#8221; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. </p>
<p>Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, Marc&#039;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#039;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh? 
I won&#039;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#039;s political positions-folks can go read him or not - but I find comrade Ahmed&#039;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.  
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.  
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Marc&#8217;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#8217;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh?<br />
I won&#8217;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#8217;s political positions-folks can go read him or not &#8211; but I find comrade Ahmed&#8217;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.<br />
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.<br />
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!

In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.

Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#039;this is the best you guys are going to get&#039; Cuba,,,&#039;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!</p>
<p>In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.</p>
<p>Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#8217;this is the best you guys are going to get&#8217; Cuba,,,&#8217;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#8217;</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about suppressing dissent:  

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&#039;We better not see you on again,&#039; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I have heard that they&#039;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&quot;

Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. 

...Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &quot;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#039;re trying to do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about suppressing dissent:  </p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story" rel="nofollow">Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News</a></b><br />
<i>&#8216;We better not see you on again,&#8217; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.</i> </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have heard that they&#8217;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. </p>
<p>&#8230;Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &#8220;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#8217;re trying to do.</p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, that&#039;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</i></p>
<p>Uh, that&#8217;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#039;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &quot;blogging&quot; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.

As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#8217;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &#8220;blogging&#8221; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.</p>
<p>As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed,

Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#039;s too much of a stretch.

Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed,</p>
<p>Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#8217;s too much of a stretch.</p>
<p>Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#039;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#039;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#039;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#039;s chai walla, I&#039;d go with Fidel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#8217;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#8217;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#8217;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#8217;s chai walla, I&#8217;d go with Fidel</p>
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		<title>By: Beautiful Horizons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beautiful Horizons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed:

You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed:</p>
<p>You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</p>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#039;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#039;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#039;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#039;s chai walla, I&#039;d go with Fidel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#8217;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#8217;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#8217;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#8217;s chai walla, I&#8217;d go with Fidel</p>
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		<description>Simply among the ideal posts that I have seen on this subject.  I&#039;m going to need to suggest your web-site to my friends.</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell Terry that I said hi :-)</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed –
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.  
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#039;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#039;t defend it.&quot;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.  
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed –<br />
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.<br />
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#8217;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#8217;t defend it.&#8221;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html</a><br />
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Pat Caddell to attack the Democrats as suppressing dissent is as credible as using Roman Polanski to argue for a lwoerring of the age of consent.</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#039;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &quot;solidarity&quot; for Israel&#039;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#039;s shoes. Just saying

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#8217;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &#8220;solidarity&#8221; for Israel&#8217;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#8217;s shoes. Just saying</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#039;t that obvious? or, isn&#039;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#039;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#8217;t that obvious? or, isn&#8217;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#8217;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You called me dude.  
Cool.

RIng a bell?
&quot;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&quot;
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#039;t really mean what you said.  Fine.
And I&#039;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#039;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#039;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#039;it was 20 years ago today...&#039;
Is there going to be a &quot;General Jaruzelski&quot; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#039;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#039;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You called me dude.<br />
Cool.</p>
<p>RIng a bell?<br />
&#8220;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&#8221;<br />
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#8217;t really mean what you said.  Fine.<br />
And I&#8217;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#8217;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#8217;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.<br />
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#8216;it was 20 years ago today&#8230;&#8217;<br />
Is there going to be a &#8220;General Jaruzelski&#8221; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#8217;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#8217;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t defend a &quot;dictator&quot; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#039; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#039;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#039;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &quot;muslim east&quot; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. 

Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t defend a &#8220;dictator&#8221; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#8217; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#8217;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#8217;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &#8220;muslim east&#8221; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. </p>
<p>Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, Marc&#039;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#039;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh? 
I won&#039;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#039;s political positions-folks can go read him or not - but I find comrade Ahmed&#039;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.  
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.  
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Marc&#8217;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#8217;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh?<br />
I won&#8217;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#8217;s political positions-folks can go read him or not &#8211; but I find comrade Ahmed&#8217;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.<br />
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.<br />
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!

In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.

Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#039;this is the best you guys are going to get&#039; Cuba,,,&#039;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!</p>
<p>In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.</p>
<p>Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#8217;this is the best you guys are going to get&#8217; Cuba,,,&#8217;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about suppressing dissent:  

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&#039;We better not see you on again,&#039; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I have heard that they&#039;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&quot;

Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. 

...Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &quot;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#039;re trying to do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about suppressing dissent:  </p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story" rel="nofollow">Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News</a></b><br />
<i>&#8216;We better not see you on again,&#8217; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.</i> </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have heard that they&#8217;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. </p>
<p>&#8230;Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &#8220;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#8217;re trying to do.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: b4</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, that&#039;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</i></p>
<p>Uh, that&#8217;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#039;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &quot;blogging&quot; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.

As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#8217;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &#8220;blogging&#8221; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.</p>
<p>As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed,

Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#039;s too much of a stretch.

Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed,</p>
<p>Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#8217;s too much of a stretch.</p>
<p>Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/cuba-to-blggers-we-beat-you/comment-page-1/#comment-615650</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#039;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#039;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#039;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#039;s chai walla, I&#039;d go with Fidel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#8217;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#8217;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#8217;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#8217;s chai walla, I&#8217;d go with Fidel</p>
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		<title>By: Beautiful Horizons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beautiful Horizons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed:

You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed:</p>
<p>You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</p>
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		<dc:creator>Beautiful Horizons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<description>Simply among the ideal posts that I have seen on this subject.  I&#039;m going to need to suggest your web-site to my friends.</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell Terry that I said hi :-)</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed –
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.  
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#039;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#039;t defend it.&quot;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.  
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed –<br />
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.<br />
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#8217;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#8217;t defend it.&#8221;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html</a><br />
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Pat Caddell to attack the Democrats as suppressing dissent is as credible as using Roman Polanski to argue for a lwoerring of the age of consent.</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#039;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &quot;solidarity&quot; for Israel&#039;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#039;s shoes. Just saying

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#8217;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &#8220;solidarity&#8221; for Israel&#8217;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#8217;s shoes. Just saying</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#039;t that obvious? or, isn&#039;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#039;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#8217;t that obvious? or, isn&#8217;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#8217;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You called me dude.  
Cool.

RIng a bell?
&quot;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&quot;
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#039;t really mean what you said.  Fine.
And I&#039;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#039;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#039;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#039;it was 20 years ago today...&#039;
Is there going to be a &quot;General Jaruzelski&quot; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#039;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#039;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You called me dude.<br />
Cool.</p>
<p>RIng a bell?<br />
&#8220;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&#8221;<br />
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#8217;t really mean what you said.  Fine.<br />
And I&#8217;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#8217;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#8217;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.<br />
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#8216;it was 20 years ago today&#8230;&#8217;<br />
Is there going to be a &#8220;General Jaruzelski&#8221; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#8217;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#8217;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t defend a &quot;dictator&quot; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#039; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#039;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#039;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &quot;muslim east&quot; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. 

Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t defend a &#8220;dictator&#8221; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#8217; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#8217;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#8217;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &#8220;muslim east&#8221; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. </p>
<p>Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, Marc&#039;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#039;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh? 
I won&#039;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#039;s political positions-folks can go read him or not - but I find comrade Ahmed&#039;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.  
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.  
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Marc&#8217;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#8217;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh?<br />
I won&#8217;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#8217;s political positions-folks can go read him or not &#8211; but I find comrade Ahmed&#8217;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.<br />
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.<br />
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!

In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.

Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#039;this is the best you guys are going to get&#039; Cuba,,,&#039;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!</p>
<p>In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.</p>
<p>Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#8217;this is the best you guys are going to get&#8217; Cuba,,,&#8217;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about suppressing dissent:  

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&#039;We better not see you on again,&#039; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I have heard that they&#039;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&quot;

Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. 

...Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &quot;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#039;re trying to do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about suppressing dissent:  </p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story" rel="nofollow">Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News</a></b><br />
<i>&#8216;We better not see you on again,&#8217; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.</i> </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have heard that they&#8217;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. </p>
<p>&#8230;Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &#8220;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#8217;re trying to do.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: b4</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, that&#039;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</i></p>
<p>Uh, that&#8217;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#039;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &quot;blogging&quot; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.

As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#8217;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &#8220;blogging&#8221; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.</p>
<p>As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed,

Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#039;s too much of a stretch.

Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed,</p>
<p>Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#8217;s too much of a stretch.</p>
<p>Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#039;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#039;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#039;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#039;s chai walla, I&#039;d go with Fidel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#8217;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#8217;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#8217;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#8217;s chai walla, I&#8217;d go with Fidel</p>
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		<title>By: Beautiful Horizons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beautiful Horizons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed:

You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed:</p>
<p>You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed:

You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed:</p>
<p>You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell Terry that I said hi :-)</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed –
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.  
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#039;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#039;t defend it.&quot;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.  
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed –<br />
Although this is a reflection on how Poland has evolved into a liberal democracy, I think this interview contains some interesting insights that are useful to this discussion of Yoani Sanchez.<br />
Responding to a question about nationalism, Adam Michnik says one must, “stay vigilant about democracy. Democracy is a daily plebiscite. Every day we decide whether we want to live in democracy or we don&#8217;t want to. Whether we will defend it or we won&#8217;t defend it.&#8221;  To which I’ll bet we both agree Ms. Sanchez is excellent example of this ethos.<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519463075074956.html</a><br />
(Okay, I know this is plucked from the icky WSJ, but still…)</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Pat Caddell to attack the Democrats as suppressing dissent is as credible as using Roman Polanski to argue for a lwoerring of the age of consent.</description>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#039;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &quot;solidarity&quot; for Israel&#039;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#039;s shoes. Just saying

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me repeat again that whatever the rationale, the jailing of a freaking blogger is vile and atrocious. Marc obviously doesnt believe that Cuba is the worst human rights violator on the planet but his policy that because Cuba claims socialist ideals our critiques of its repressive policies are needed. A variation, I guess, of Chomsky&#8217;s position that as citizens of the empire who often directly fund all sorts of atrocities, our eyes should be focused to the barbarities, and there are many, inflicted in our name, in the USA. Fair enough. I was jibbing you with the Galvin/Castro thing, although judging by the following Guardian article, while Fidel is going about his retirement totally honorably, Glavin, on the other hand, is banning commentators who take him to task on his blog while posting comment after comment during Gaza offering &#8220;solidarity&#8221; for Israel&#8217;s brave war on a Ghetto, all the while trying desperately to shine Karzai&#8217;s shoes. Just saying</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/09/fidel-castro-cuba</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#039;t that obvious? or, isn&#039;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#039;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rob.. I can answer that question.  if cubans were allowed to be free they might choose against freedom. isn&#8217;t that obvious? or, isn&#8217;t that always the answer? we can be trusted with freedom, but they can&#8217;t. they might squander it on counter-revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You called me dude.  
Cool.

RIng a bell?
&quot;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&quot;
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#039;t really mean what you said.  Fine.
And I&#039;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#039;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#039;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#039;it was 20 years ago today...&#039;
Is there going to be a &quot;General Jaruzelski&quot; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#039;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#039;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You called me dude.<br />
Cool.</p>
<p>RIng a bell?<br />
&#8220;All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai’s chai walla, I’d go with Fidel&#8221;<br />
Okay. I get it:  you didn&#8217;t really mean what you said.  Fine.<br />
And I&#8217;m going to decline to chase after whether or not Mr Glavin&#8217;s got the right position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  Nor  am I interested at the snide little dig at Karzai.  Mr. Glavin&#8217;s position are his and those who are interested can go dig them out themselves.  Your take on Glavin is duly noted.  I insist we just agree to disagree on him.<br />
But all that is small potatoes.   You know, &#8216;it was 20 years ago today&#8230;&#8217;<br />
Is there going to be a &#8220;General Jaruzelski&#8221; in Cuba after Fidel dies?  I have a firm belief that Free Speech is destined to dominate the world. Even Cuba.  I&#8217;m betting Yoani Sanchez believes that, too.  Ahmed, why the hell won&#8217;t Fidel let the Cuban people be free?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t defend a &quot;dictator&quot; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#039; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#039;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#039;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &quot;muslim east&quot; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. 

Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t defend a &#8220;dictator&#8221; over a journalist, dude, where on Earth did you get that from? What I said is that no one should take the flake Glavins&#8217; protestations about freedom of expression too seriously given the fact that it&#8217;s a freedom he denies to the hundreds of children killed in Gaza and the students of universities bombed by Israel, in war crimes laid bare by not only Goldstone but Amnesty, B&#8217;tselem, Human Rights Watch and the like. That he chooses to frame murder, targeting of civilians and the use of white phosphorus. all in the context of a broader infrastructure of occupation, itself sustains by racism, as some kind of enlightenment style popular front trotkysist struggle against the backward forces of the &#8220;muslim east&#8221; makes Glavin a particularly creepy and stupid fellow. I have yet to come across anyone who takes Glavins nonsense seriously. </p>
<p>Again, targeting of Sanchez, bad</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, Marc&#039;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#039;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh? 
I won&#039;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#039;s political positions-folks can go read him or not - but I find comrade Ahmed&#039;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.  
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.  
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Marc&#8217;s opening line to this thread made me think about the video at Glavin&#8217;s blog.   Just thought the comparison of socialism into Canada as an American import was quite a contrast to the socialism that Fidel imported from the USSR.  Perhaps, history will absolve the U.S., eh?<br />
I won&#8217;t use any bandwidth to defend Terry Glavin&#8217;s political positions-folks can go read him or not &#8211; but I find comrade Ahmed&#8217;s preference for a dictator over a journalist underwhelming.<br />
Hopefully Ms. Sanchez can remain strong and healthy enough to out-live the Castro brothers.<br />
And yeah, we oughta can the embargo.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!

In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.

Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#039;this is the best you guys are going to get&#039; Cuba,,,&#039;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was it at the UN.. a resolution passed something like 173-3 calling for an end to the embargo?!</p>
<p>In 1992 the same vote yielded 87 abstentions.</p>
<p>Marc seems selective in his application of real politique:  Health care,,,&#8217;this is the best you guys are going to get&#8217; Cuba,,,&#8217;as long as there is one goon there will be no normalization of relations&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about suppressing dissent:  

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&#039;We better not see you on again,&#039; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I have heard that they&#039;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&quot;

Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. 

...Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &quot;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#039;re trying to do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about suppressing dissent:  </p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story" rel="nofollow">Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News</a></b><br />
<i>&#8216;We better not see you on again,&#8217; the strategist says he was told by a White House official.</i> </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have heard that they&#8217;ve done that to others in not too subtle ways. I find it appalling. When the White House gets in the business of suppressing dissent and comment, particularly from its own party, it hurts itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some observers say White House officials might be urging consultants to spurn Fox to isolate the network and make it appear more partisan. </p>
<p>&#8230;Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: &#8220;This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they&#8217;re trying to do.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: b4</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, that&#039;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</i></p>
<p>Uh, that&#8217;s pretty clearly exactly what he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#039;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &quot;blogging&quot; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.

As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the fake outrage. I just said that I&#8217;m happy Bolivia seems to be embracing a model very differrent than that of Cuba, and stated that while I know almost nothing about Yoani Sanchez the very idea that she would be imprisoned for the crimes of &#8220;blogging&#8221; her thoughts strikes me as an assualt to the very idea of a humane, egalitarian society, which I believe in. It also demonstrates how scared the Cuban government seems to have become of their citizens. It sucks. Period. Full stop.</p>
<p>As for Glavin, it wasnt me who brought him up. Have a cursory read thorugh the Goldstone report, a document authored by a man of rather impecabble credentials, who identifies as a liberal Zionist with strong ties to Israel. Read about the use of white phophorus, the bombing of mosques when they were packed full of citizens at the time along with the decimation of the American university and other educational infrustructure in Gaza. Your bete noir Kucinich was one of the only members of congress to vote against condemning the report and spoke eloquantly about the cruel process happening in front of him in congress, which made a mockery of the very idea of universal rights. Glavin may care about the rights of a Cuban to blog but at the same time, post after post provides, in recycled trot language, support for the killing of 400 Palestinian children. Sorry if I dont find that all too impressive. Thats just me, man</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed,

Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#039;s too much of a stretch.

Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed,</p>
<p>Nice to see YOU would go with Fidel considering you live 2500 miles from him and are free to come and go and even allowed the silly, tangential right of free speech on the Internet without being picked picked up by goonish state security agents. Very brave of you.  Now that you are finished with your moral ice skating, with whom should someone like Yoani Sanchez go?  You see, my naive hope is that she should be able to go with prinicipled humanists like yourself and receive unqualified support. But I guess that&#8217;s too much of a stretch.</p>
<p>Let me also remind you that Fidel Castro and his little brother are dictators who hold the fate of millions of people in their shaky little hands. Glavin, whatever his politics, is a guy with a keyboard who holds power over nobody.  If u were in power, would u send secret police to shut down Glavin and rough him up. Or would you be strong enough to let him he say what we wants and confront him in the arena of ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#039;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#039;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#039;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#039;s chai walla, I&#039;d go with Fidel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to bring more attention to an obscure, boring, know nothing crank but given the fact that Glavin&#8217;s blog featured non stop apologetics for the bombing of universities, mosques, human infrustructure, not too mention the killing of hundreds of kids in Gaza (all documented in the Goldstone report), and presented such barbarities in marxist type semantics of a besieged forward looking nation fighting global jihad,  I&#8217;m not sure that my point is unfair. Jailing bloggers is wrong and although its off topic, I will say that Im happy that everything I&#8217;ve read about Bolivia would lead me to believe that they are building a model very different from that of Cuba. All that said, given a choice between Castro and Glavin, the latter who recently apprears to be auditioning for the role of Karzai&#8217;s chai walla, I&#8217;d go with Fidel</p>
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		<title>By: Beautiful Horizons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beautiful Horizons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;All Dissent is Opposition; All Opposition is Counterrevolutionary&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>If one was creating a fair and just society, why would there be the need for suppressing peaceful dissent such as this? On November 6, Cuba’s most prominent blogger, Yoani Sánchez, together with blogger Orlando Luís Pardo Lazo, were abducted&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed:

You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed:</p>
<p>You can do better than that. I like milk and so does GW Bush and so? Mr. Glavin might be a so and so hyporcrite. Excuse me, but I THOUGHT we were talking about Ms. Sanchez and the cowardly Mr. Castro..</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/cuba-to-blggers-we-beat-you/comment-page-1/#comment-615614</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, blabber but y&#039;all get the point</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, blabber but y&#8217;all get the point</p>
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