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		<title>By: rosedog</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-525930</link>
		<dc:creator>rosedog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &quot;You Don&#039;t Know Dick&quot; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious....in a terrifying sort of way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &#8220;You Don&#8217;t Know Dick&#8221; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious&#8230;.in a terrifying sort of way.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-524113</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting--and, don&#039;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting&#8211;and, don&#8217;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</p>
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		<title>By: Mavis Beacon</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-524013</link>
		<dc:creator>Mavis Beacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#039; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#8217; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunty Woody Coulter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523825</link>
		<dc:creator>Aunty Woody Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&quot; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&#8221; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523791</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#039;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#8217;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523684</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &quot;steve&quot; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &#8220;steve&#8221; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523668</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)&lt;/i&gt;

One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:

&lt;blockquote&gt;STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#039;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#039;&#039;people were lined up to spit on us.&quot;

Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#039;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Link here: http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)</i></p>
<p>One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:</p>
<blockquote><p>STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#8217;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.</p>
<p>What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#8221;people were lined up to spit on us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#8217;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.</p></blockquote>
<p>Link here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/78eg3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523059</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what wanking</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what wanking</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523018</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:

CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.

DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.

DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.

MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:</p>
<p>CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.</p>
<p>MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523016</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/

Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/</a></p>
<p>Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522892</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522823</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I miss anything while the Paris Hilton interview was in progress?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I miss anything while the Paris Hilton interview was in progress?</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522623</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftside, 

I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftside, </p>
<p>I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. <img src='http://marccooper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522505</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &quot;So were Lugar&#039;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#039;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#039;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#039;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &#8220;So were Lugar&#8217;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#8217;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#8217;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#8216;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522488</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.

Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.

I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.

Lugar has had a problem saying &quot;no&quot; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.

As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.

My guess as to why Lugar has &quot;spoken out&quot; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &quot;turn tail and run.&quot;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.

If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#039;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.</p>
<p>Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.</p>
<p>I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.</p>
<p>Lugar has had a problem saying &#8220;no&#8221; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.</p>
<p>As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.</p>
<p>My guess as to why Lugar has &#8220;spoken out&#8221; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &#8220;turn tail and run.&#8221;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.</p>
<p>If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#8217;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</p>
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		<title>By: pacific_waters</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522462</link>
		<dc:creator>pacific_waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</p>
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		<title>By: K Nardy</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522424</link>
		<dc:creator>K Nardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was well aware of McGovern&#039;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. 

     Your party&#039;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was well aware of McGovern&#8217;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. </p>
<p>     Your party&#8217;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-1/#comment-522417</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rlc, McGovern didn&#039;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rlc, McGovern didn&#8217;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</p>
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		<title>By: leftside</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &quot;clear and hold&quot; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. 

But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else...

When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. 

Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &quot;broken arm olympics&quot; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#039;s &quot;standards and practices&quot; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#039;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &#8220;clear and hold&#8221; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. </p>
<p>But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else&#8230;</p>
<p>When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. </p>
<p>Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &#8220;broken arm olympics&#8221; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#8217;s &#8220;standards and practices&#8221; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#8217;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<title>By: rosedog</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosedog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &quot;You Don&#039;t Know Dick&quot; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious....in a terrifying sort of way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &#8220;You Don&#8217;t Know Dick&#8221; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious&#8230;.in a terrifying sort of way.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting--and, don&#039;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting&#8211;and, don&#8217;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</p>
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		<title>By: Mavis Beacon</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-524013</link>
		<dc:creator>Mavis Beacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#039; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#8217; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunty Woody Coulter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aunty Woody Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&quot; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&#8221; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#039;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#8217;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523684</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &quot;steve&quot; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &#8220;steve&#8221; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523668</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)&lt;/i&gt;

One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:

&lt;blockquote&gt;STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#039;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#039;&#039;people were lined up to spit on us.&quot;

Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#039;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Link here: http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)</i></p>
<p>One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:</p>
<blockquote><p>STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#8217;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.</p>
<p>What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#8221;people were lined up to spit on us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#8217;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.</p></blockquote>
<p>Link here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/78eg3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523059</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what wanking</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523018</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:

CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.

DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.

DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.

MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:</p>
<p>CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.</p>
<p>MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523016</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/

Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/</a></p>
<p>Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522892</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522823</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I miss anything while the Paris Hilton interview was in progress?</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftside, 

I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftside, </p>
<p>I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. <img src='http://marccooper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &quot;So were Lugar&#039;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#039;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#039;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#039;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &#8220;So were Lugar&#8217;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#8217;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#8217;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#8216;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522488</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.

Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.

I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.

Lugar has had a problem saying &quot;no&quot; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.

As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.

My guess as to why Lugar has &quot;spoken out&quot; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &quot;turn tail and run.&quot;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.

If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#039;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.</p>
<p>Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.</p>
<p>I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.</p>
<p>Lugar has had a problem saying &#8220;no&#8221; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.</p>
<p>As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.</p>
<p>My guess as to why Lugar has &#8220;spoken out&#8221; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &#8220;turn tail and run.&#8221;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.</p>
<p>If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#8217;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</p>
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		<title>By: pacific_waters</title>
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		<dc:creator>pacific_waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</p>
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		<title>By: K Nardy</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522424</link>
		<dc:creator>K Nardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was well aware of McGovern&#039;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. 

     Your party&#039;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was well aware of McGovern&#8217;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. </p>
<p>     Your party&#8217;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-1/#comment-522417</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rlc, McGovern didn&#039;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rlc, McGovern didn&#8217;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</p>
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		<title>By: leftside</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-1/#comment-522392</link>
		<dc:creator>leftside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &quot;clear and hold&quot; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. 

But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else...

When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. 

Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &quot;broken arm olympics&quot; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#039;s &quot;standards and practices&quot; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#039;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &#8220;clear and hold&#8221; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. </p>
<p>But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else&#8230;</p>
<p>When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. </p>
<p>Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &#8220;broken arm olympics&#8221; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#8217;s &#8220;standards and practices&#8221; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#8217;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosedog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &quot;You Don&#039;t Know Dick&quot; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious....in a terrifying sort of way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &#8220;You Don&#8217;t Know Dick&#8221; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious&#8230;.in a terrifying sort of way.</p>
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		<title>By: rosedog</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosedog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &quot;You Don&#039;t Know Dick&quot; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious....in a terrifying sort of way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &#8220;You Don&#8217;t Know Dick&#8221; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious&#8230;.in a terrifying sort of way.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-524113</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting--and, don&#039;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting&#8211;and, don&#8217;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</p>
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		<title>By: Mavis Beacon</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-524013</link>
		<dc:creator>Mavis Beacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#039; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#8217; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunty Woody Coulter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523825</link>
		<dc:creator>Aunty Woody Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&quot; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&#8221; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523791</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#039;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#8217;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523684</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &quot;steve&quot; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &#8220;steve&#8221; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523668</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)&lt;/i&gt;

One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:

&lt;blockquote&gt;STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#039;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#039;&#039;people were lined up to spit on us.&quot;

Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#039;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Link here: http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)</i></p>
<p>One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:</p>
<blockquote><p>STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#8217;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.</p>
<p>What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#8221;people were lined up to spit on us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#8217;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.</p></blockquote>
<p>Link here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/78eg3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523059</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what wanking</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523018</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:

CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.

DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.

DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.

MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:</p>
<p>CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.</p>
<p>MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523016</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/

Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/</a></p>
<p>Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522892</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522823</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I miss anything while the Paris Hilton interview was in progress?</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522623</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftside, 

I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftside, </p>
<p>I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. <img src='http://marccooper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522505</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &quot;So were Lugar&#039;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#039;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#039;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#039;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &#8220;So were Lugar&#8217;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#8217;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#8217;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#8216;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522488</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.

Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.

I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.

Lugar has had a problem saying &quot;no&quot; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.

As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.

My guess as to why Lugar has &quot;spoken out&quot; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &quot;turn tail and run.&quot;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.

If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#039;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.</p>
<p>Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.</p>
<p>I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.</p>
<p>Lugar has had a problem saying &#8220;no&#8221; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.</p>
<p>As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.</p>
<p>My guess as to why Lugar has &#8220;spoken out&#8221; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &#8220;turn tail and run.&#8221;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.</p>
<p>If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#8217;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</p>
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		<title>By: pacific_waters</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522462</link>
		<dc:creator>pacific_waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</p>
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		<title>By: K Nardy</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522424</link>
		<dc:creator>K Nardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was well aware of McGovern&#039;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. 

     Your party&#039;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was well aware of McGovern&#8217;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. </p>
<p>     Your party&#8217;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-1/#comment-522417</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rlc, McGovern didn&#039;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rlc, McGovern didn&#8217;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</p>
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		<title>By: leftside</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-1/#comment-522392</link>
		<dc:creator>leftside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &quot;clear and hold&quot; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. 

But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else...

When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. 

Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &quot;broken arm olympics&quot; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#039;s &quot;standards and practices&quot; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#039;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &#8220;clear and hold&#8221; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. </p>
<p>But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else&#8230;</p>
<p>When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. </p>
<p>Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &#8220;broken arm olympics&#8221; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#8217;s &#8220;standards and practices&#8221; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#8217;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-524113</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting--and, don&#039;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting&#8211;and, don&#8217;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</p>
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		<title>By: rosedog</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosedog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &quot;You Don&#039;t Know Dick&quot; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious....in a terrifying sort of way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &#8220;You Don&#8217;t Know Dick&#8221; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious&#8230;.in a terrifying sort of way.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting--and, don&#039;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting&#8211;and, don&#8217;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</p>
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		<title>By: Mavis Beacon</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-524013</link>
		<dc:creator>Mavis Beacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#039; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#8217; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunty Woody Coulter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523825</link>
		<dc:creator>Aunty Woody Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&quot; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&#8221; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523791</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#039;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#8217;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523684</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &quot;steve&quot; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &#8220;steve&#8221; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523668</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)&lt;/i&gt;

One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:

&lt;blockquote&gt;STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#039;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#039;&#039;people were lined up to spit on us.&quot;

Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#039;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Link here: http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)</i></p>
<p>One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:</p>
<blockquote><p>STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#8217;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.</p>
<p>What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#8221;people were lined up to spit on us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#8217;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.</p></blockquote>
<p>Link here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/78eg3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523059</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what wanking</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523018</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:

CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.

DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.

DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.

MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:</p>
<p>CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.</p>
<p>MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523016</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/

Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/</a></p>
<p>Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522892</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522823</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I miss anything while the Paris Hilton interview was in progress?</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522623</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftside, 

I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftside, </p>
<p>I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. <img src='http://marccooper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522505</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &quot;So were Lugar&#039;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#039;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#039;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#039;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &#8220;So were Lugar&#8217;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#8217;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#8217;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#8216;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522488</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.

Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.

I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.

Lugar has had a problem saying &quot;no&quot; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.

As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.

My guess as to why Lugar has &quot;spoken out&quot; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &quot;turn tail and run.&quot;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.

If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#039;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.</p>
<p>Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.</p>
<p>I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.</p>
<p>Lugar has had a problem saying &#8220;no&#8221; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.</p>
<p>As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.</p>
<p>My guess as to why Lugar has &#8220;spoken out&#8221; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &#8220;turn tail and run.&#8221;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.</p>
<p>If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#8217;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</p>
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		<title>By: pacific_waters</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522462</link>
		<dc:creator>pacific_waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</p>
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		<title>By: K Nardy</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522424</link>
		<dc:creator>K Nardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was well aware of McGovern&#039;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. 

     Your party&#039;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was well aware of McGovern&#8217;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. </p>
<p>     Your party&#8217;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-1/#comment-522417</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rlc, McGovern didn&#039;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rlc, McGovern didn&#8217;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</p>
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		<title>By: leftside</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-1/#comment-522392</link>
		<dc:creator>leftside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &quot;clear and hold&quot; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. 

But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else...

When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. 

Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &quot;broken arm olympics&quot; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#039;s &quot;standards and practices&quot; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#039;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &#8220;clear and hold&#8221; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. </p>
<p>But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else&#8230;</p>
<p>When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. </p>
<p>Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &#8220;broken arm olympics&#8221; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#8217;s &#8220;standards and practices&#8221; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#8217;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mavis Beacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#039; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#8217; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</p>
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		<title>By: rosedog</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosedog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &quot;You Don&#039;t Know Dick&quot; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious....in a terrifying sort of way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &#8220;You Don&#8217;t Know Dick&#8221; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious&#8230;.in a terrifying sort of way.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-524113</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting--and, don&#039;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting&#8211;and, don&#8217;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</p>
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		<title>By: Mavis Beacon</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-524013</link>
		<dc:creator>Mavis Beacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#039; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#8217; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunty Woody Coulter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523825</link>
		<dc:creator>Aunty Woody Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&quot; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&#8221; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523791</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#039;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#8217;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523684</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &quot;steve&quot; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &#8220;steve&#8221; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523668</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)&lt;/i&gt;

One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:

&lt;blockquote&gt;STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#039;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#039;&#039;people were lined up to spit on us.&quot;

Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#039;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Link here: http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)</i></p>
<p>One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:</p>
<blockquote><p>STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#8217;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.</p>
<p>What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#8221;people were lined up to spit on us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#8217;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.</p></blockquote>
<p>Link here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/78eg3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523059</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what wanking</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523018</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:

CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.

DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.

DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.

MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:</p>
<p>CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.</p>
<p>MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/

Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/</a></p>
<p>Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522892</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522823</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I miss anything while the Paris Hilton interview was in progress?</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522623</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftside, 

I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftside, </p>
<p>I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. <img src='http://marccooper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522505</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &quot;So were Lugar&#039;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#039;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#039;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#039;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &#8220;So were Lugar&#8217;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#8217;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#8217;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#8216;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522488</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.

Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.

I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.

Lugar has had a problem saying &quot;no&quot; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.

As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.

My guess as to why Lugar has &quot;spoken out&quot; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &quot;turn tail and run.&quot;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.

If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#039;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.</p>
<p>Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.</p>
<p>I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.</p>
<p>Lugar has had a problem saying &#8220;no&#8221; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.</p>
<p>As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.</p>
<p>My guess as to why Lugar has &#8220;spoken out&#8221; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &#8220;turn tail and run.&#8221;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.</p>
<p>If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#8217;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</p>
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		<title>By: pacific_waters</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522462</link>
		<dc:creator>pacific_waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</p>
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		<title>By: K Nardy</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522424</link>
		<dc:creator>K Nardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was well aware of McGovern&#039;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. 

     Your party&#039;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was well aware of McGovern&#8217;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. </p>
<p>     Your party&#8217;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-1/#comment-522417</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rlc, McGovern didn&#039;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rlc, McGovern didn&#8217;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</p>
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		<title>By: leftside</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-1/#comment-522392</link>
		<dc:creator>leftside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &quot;clear and hold&quot; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. 

But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else...

When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. 

Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &quot;broken arm olympics&quot; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#039;s &quot;standards and practices&quot; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#039;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &#8220;clear and hold&#8221; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. </p>
<p>But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else&#8230;</p>
<p>When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. </p>
<p>Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &#8220;broken arm olympics&#8221; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#8217;s &#8220;standards and practices&#8221; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#8217;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523825</link>
		<dc:creator>Aunty Woody Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&quot; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&#8221; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: rosedog</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosedog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &quot;You Don&#039;t Know Dick&quot; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious....in a terrifying sort of way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &#8220;You Don&#8217;t Know Dick&#8221; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious&#8230;.in a terrifying sort of way.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-524113</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting--and, don&#039;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting&#8211;and, don&#8217;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</p>
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		<title>By: Mavis Beacon</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-524013</link>
		<dc:creator>Mavis Beacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#039; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#8217; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunty Woody Coulter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523825</link>
		<dc:creator>Aunty Woody Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&quot; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&#8221; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523791</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#039;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#8217;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523684</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &quot;steve&quot; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &#8220;steve&#8221; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523668</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)&lt;/i&gt;

One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:

&lt;blockquote&gt;STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#039;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#039;&#039;people were lined up to spit on us.&quot;

Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#039;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Link here: http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)</i></p>
<p>One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:</p>
<blockquote><p>STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#8217;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.</p>
<p>What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#8221;people were lined up to spit on us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#8217;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.</p></blockquote>
<p>Link here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/78eg3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523059</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what wanking</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523018</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:

CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.

DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.

DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.

MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:</p>
<p>CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.</p>
<p>MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523016</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/

Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/</a></p>
<p>Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522892</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522823</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I miss anything while the Paris Hilton interview was in progress?</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522623</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftside, 

I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftside, </p>
<p>I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. <img src='http://marccooper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522505</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &quot;So were Lugar&#039;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#039;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#039;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#039;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &#8220;So were Lugar&#8217;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#8217;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#8217;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#8216;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522488</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.

Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.

I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.

Lugar has had a problem saying &quot;no&quot; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.

As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.

My guess as to why Lugar has &quot;spoken out&quot; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &quot;turn tail and run.&quot;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.

If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#039;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.</p>
<p>Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.</p>
<p>I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.</p>
<p>Lugar has had a problem saying &#8220;no&#8221; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.</p>
<p>As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.</p>
<p>My guess as to why Lugar has &#8220;spoken out&#8221; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &#8220;turn tail and run.&#8221;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.</p>
<p>If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#8217;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</p>
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		<title>By: pacific_waters</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522462</link>
		<dc:creator>pacific_waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</p>
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		<title>By: K Nardy</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522424</link>
		<dc:creator>K Nardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was well aware of McGovern&#039;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. 

     Your party&#039;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was well aware of McGovern&#8217;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. </p>
<p>     Your party&#8217;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rlc, McGovern didn&#039;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rlc, McGovern didn&#8217;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</p>
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		<title>By: leftside</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-1/#comment-522392</link>
		<dc:creator>leftside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &quot;clear and hold&quot; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. 

But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else...

When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. 

Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &quot;broken arm olympics&quot; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#039;s &quot;standards and practices&quot; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#039;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &#8220;clear and hold&#8221; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. </p>
<p>But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else&#8230;</p>
<p>When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. </p>
<p>Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &#8220;broken arm olympics&#8221; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#8217;s &#8220;standards and practices&#8221; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#8217;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523791</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#039;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#8217;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</p>
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		<title>By: rosedog</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosedog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &quot;You Don&#039;t Know Dick&quot; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious....in a terrifying sort of way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &#8220;You Don&#8217;t Know Dick&#8221; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious&#8230;.in a terrifying sort of way.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-524113</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting--and, don&#039;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting&#8211;and, don&#8217;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</p>
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		<title>By: Mavis Beacon</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-524013</link>
		<dc:creator>Mavis Beacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#039; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#8217; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunty Woody Coulter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523825</link>
		<dc:creator>Aunty Woody Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&quot; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&#8221; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523791</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#039;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#8217;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523684</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &quot;steve&quot; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &#8220;steve&#8221; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523668</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)&lt;/i&gt;

One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:

&lt;blockquote&gt;STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#039;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#039;&#039;people were lined up to spit on us.&quot;

Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#039;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Link here: http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)</i></p>
<p>One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:</p>
<blockquote><p>STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#8217;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.</p>
<p>What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#8221;people were lined up to spit on us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#8217;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.</p></blockquote>
<p>Link here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/78eg3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523059</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what wanking</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523018</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:

CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.

DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.

DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.

MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:</p>
<p>CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.</p>
<p>MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523016</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/

Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/</a></p>
<p>Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522892</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522823</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I miss anything while the Paris Hilton interview was in progress?</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522623</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftside, 

I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftside, </p>
<p>I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. <img src='http://marccooper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522505</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &quot;So were Lugar&#039;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#039;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#039;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#039;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &#8220;So were Lugar&#8217;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#8217;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#8217;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#8216;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522488</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.

Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.

I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.

Lugar has had a problem saying &quot;no&quot; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.

As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.

My guess as to why Lugar has &quot;spoken out&quot; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &quot;turn tail and run.&quot;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.

If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#039;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.</p>
<p>Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.</p>
<p>I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.</p>
<p>Lugar has had a problem saying &#8220;no&#8221; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.</p>
<p>As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.</p>
<p>My guess as to why Lugar has &#8220;spoken out&#8221; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &#8220;turn tail and run.&#8221;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.</p>
<p>If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#8217;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</p>
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		<title>By: pacific_waters</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522462</link>
		<dc:creator>pacific_waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</p>
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		<title>By: K Nardy</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522424</link>
		<dc:creator>K Nardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was well aware of McGovern&#039;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. 

     Your party&#039;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was well aware of McGovern&#8217;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. </p>
<p>     Your party&#8217;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rlc, McGovern didn&#039;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rlc, McGovern didn&#8217;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</p>
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		<title>By: leftside</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-1/#comment-522392</link>
		<dc:creator>leftside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &quot;clear and hold&quot; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. 

But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else...

When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. 

Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &quot;broken arm olympics&quot; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#039;s &quot;standards and practices&quot; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#039;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &#8220;clear and hold&#8221; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. </p>
<p>But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else&#8230;</p>
<p>When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. </p>
<p>Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &#8220;broken arm olympics&#8221; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#8217;s &#8220;standards and practices&#8221; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#8217;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523684</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &quot;steve&quot; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &#8220;steve&#8221; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</p>
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		<title>By: rosedog</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosedog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &quot;You Don&#039;t Know Dick&quot; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious....in a terrifying sort of way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &#8220;You Don&#8217;t Know Dick&#8221; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious&#8230;.in a terrifying sort of way.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-524113</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting--and, don&#039;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting&#8211;and, don&#8217;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</p>
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		<title>By: Mavis Beacon</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-524013</link>
		<dc:creator>Mavis Beacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#039; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#8217; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunty Woody Coulter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523825</link>
		<dc:creator>Aunty Woody Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&quot; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&#8221; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523791</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#039;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#8217;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523684</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &quot;steve&quot; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &#8220;steve&#8221; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523668</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)&lt;/i&gt;

One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:

&lt;blockquote&gt;STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#039;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#039;&#039;people were lined up to spit on us.&quot;

Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#039;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Link here: http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)</i></p>
<p>One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:</p>
<blockquote><p>STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#8217;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.</p>
<p>What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#8221;people were lined up to spit on us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#8217;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.</p></blockquote>
<p>Link here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/78eg3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523059</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what wanking</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523018</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:

CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.

DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.

DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.

MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:</p>
<p>CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.</p>
<p>MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523016</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/

Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/</a></p>
<p>Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522892</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522823</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I miss anything while the Paris Hilton interview was in progress?</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522623</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftside, 

I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftside, </p>
<p>I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. <img src='http://marccooper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522505</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &quot;So were Lugar&#039;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#039;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#039;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#039;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &#8220;So were Lugar&#8217;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#8217;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#8217;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#8216;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522488</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.

Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.

I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.

Lugar has had a problem saying &quot;no&quot; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.

As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.

My guess as to why Lugar has &quot;spoken out&quot; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &quot;turn tail and run.&quot;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.

If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#039;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.</p>
<p>Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.</p>
<p>I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.</p>
<p>Lugar has had a problem saying &#8220;no&#8221; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.</p>
<p>As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.</p>
<p>My guess as to why Lugar has &#8220;spoken out&#8221; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &#8220;turn tail and run.&#8221;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.</p>
<p>If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#8217;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</p>
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		<title>By: pacific_waters</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522462</link>
		<dc:creator>pacific_waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</p>
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		<title>By: K Nardy</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522424</link>
		<dc:creator>K Nardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was well aware of McGovern&#039;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. 

     Your party&#039;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was well aware of McGovern&#8217;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. </p>
<p>     Your party&#8217;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-1/#comment-522417</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rlc, McGovern didn&#039;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rlc, McGovern didn&#8217;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</p>
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		<title>By: leftside</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-1/#comment-522392</link>
		<dc:creator>leftside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &quot;clear and hold&quot; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. 

But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else...

When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. 

Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &quot;broken arm olympics&quot; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#039;s &quot;standards and practices&quot; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#039;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &#8220;clear and hold&#8221; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. </p>
<p>But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else&#8230;</p>
<p>When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. </p>
<p>Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &#8220;broken arm olympics&#8221; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#8217;s &#8220;standards and practices&#8221; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#8217;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523668</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)&lt;/i&gt;

One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:

&lt;blockquote&gt;STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#039;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#039;&#039;people were lined up to spit on us.&quot;

Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#039;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Link here: http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)</i></p>
<p>One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:</p>
<blockquote><p>STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#8217;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.</p>
<p>What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#8221;people were lined up to spit on us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#8217;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.</p></blockquote>
<p>Link here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/78eg3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</a></p>
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		<title>By: rosedog</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosedog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &quot;You Don&#039;t Know Dick&quot; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious....in a terrifying sort of way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &#8220;You Don&#8217;t Know Dick&#8221; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious&#8230;.in a terrifying sort of way.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-524113</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting--and, don&#039;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting&#8211;and, don&#8217;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</p>
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		<title>By: Mavis Beacon</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-524013</link>
		<dc:creator>Mavis Beacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#039; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#8217; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunty Woody Coulter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523825</link>
		<dc:creator>Aunty Woody Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&quot; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&#8221; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523791</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#039;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#8217;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523684</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &quot;steve&quot; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &#8220;steve&#8221; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)&lt;/i&gt;

One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:

&lt;blockquote&gt;STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#039;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#039;&#039;people were lined up to spit on us.&quot;

Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#039;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Link here: http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)</i></p>
<p>One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:</p>
<blockquote><p>STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#8217;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.</p>
<p>What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#8221;people were lined up to spit on us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#8217;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.</p></blockquote>
<p>Link here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/78eg3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523059</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what wanking</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:

CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.

DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.

DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.

MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:</p>
<p>CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.</p>
<p>MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/

Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/</a></p>
<p>Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522892</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522823</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I miss anything while the Paris Hilton interview was in progress?</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftside, 

I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftside, </p>
<p>I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. <img src='http://marccooper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522505</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &quot;So were Lugar&#039;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#039;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#039;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#039;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &#8220;So were Lugar&#8217;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#8217;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#8217;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#8216;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.

Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.

I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.

Lugar has had a problem saying &quot;no&quot; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.

As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.

My guess as to why Lugar has &quot;spoken out&quot; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &quot;turn tail and run.&quot;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.

If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#039;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.</p>
<p>Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.</p>
<p>I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.</p>
<p>Lugar has had a problem saying &#8220;no&#8221; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.</p>
<p>As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.</p>
<p>My guess as to why Lugar has &#8220;spoken out&#8221; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &#8220;turn tail and run.&#8221;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.</p>
<p>If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#8217;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</p>
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		<title>By: pacific_waters</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</p>
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		<title>By: K Nardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>K Nardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was well aware of McGovern&#039;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. 

     Your party&#039;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was well aware of McGovern&#8217;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. </p>
<p>     Your party&#8217;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rlc, McGovern didn&#039;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rlc, McGovern didn&#8217;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</p>
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		<title>By: leftside</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &quot;clear and hold&quot; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. 

But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else...

When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. 

Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &quot;broken arm olympics&quot; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#039;s &quot;standards and practices&quot; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#039;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &#8220;clear and hold&#8221; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. </p>
<p>But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else&#8230;</p>
<p>When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. </p>
<p>Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &#8220;broken arm olympics&#8221; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#8217;s &#8220;standards and practices&#8221; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#8217;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what wanking</description>
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		<title>By: rosedog</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &quot;You Don&#039;t Know Dick&quot; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious....in a terrifying sort of way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &#8220;You Don&#8217;t Know Dick&#8221; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious&#8230;.in a terrifying sort of way.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting--and, don&#039;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting&#8211;and, don&#8217;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</p>
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		<title>By: Mavis Beacon</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-524013</link>
		<dc:creator>Mavis Beacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#039; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#8217; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunty Woody Coulter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523825</link>
		<dc:creator>Aunty Woody Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&quot; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&#8221; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#039;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#8217;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523684</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &quot;steve&quot; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &#8220;steve&#8221; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)&lt;/i&gt;

One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:

&lt;blockquote&gt;STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#039;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#039;&#039;people were lined up to spit on us.&quot;

Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#039;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Link here: http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)</i></p>
<p>One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:</p>
<blockquote><p>STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#8217;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.</p>
<p>What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#8221;people were lined up to spit on us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#8217;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.</p></blockquote>
<p>Link here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/78eg3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what wanking</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523018</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:

CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.

DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.

DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.

MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:</p>
<p>CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.</p>
<p>MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/

Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/</a></p>
<p>Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522823</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I miss anything while the Paris Hilton interview was in progress?</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftside, 

I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftside, </p>
<p>I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. <img src='http://marccooper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &quot;So were Lugar&#039;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#039;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#039;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#039;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &#8220;So were Lugar&#8217;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#8217;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#8217;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#8216;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.

Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.

I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.

Lugar has had a problem saying &quot;no&quot; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.

As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.

My guess as to why Lugar has &quot;spoken out&quot; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &quot;turn tail and run.&quot;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.

If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#039;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.</p>
<p>Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.</p>
<p>I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.</p>
<p>Lugar has had a problem saying &#8220;no&#8221; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.</p>
<p>As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.</p>
<p>My guess as to why Lugar has &#8220;spoken out&#8221; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &#8220;turn tail and run.&#8221;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.</p>
<p>If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#8217;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</p>
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		<title>By: pacific_waters</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</p>
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		<title>By: K Nardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>K Nardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was well aware of McGovern&#039;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. 

     Your party&#039;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was well aware of McGovern&#8217;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. </p>
<p>     Your party&#8217;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rlc, McGovern didn&#039;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rlc, McGovern didn&#8217;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</p>
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		<title>By: leftside</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &quot;clear and hold&quot; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. 

But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else...

When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. 

Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &quot;broken arm olympics&quot; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#039;s &quot;standards and practices&quot; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#039;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &#8220;clear and hold&#8221; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. </p>
<p>But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else&#8230;</p>
<p>When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. </p>
<p>Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &#8220;broken arm olympics&#8221; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#8217;s &#8220;standards and practices&#8221; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#8217;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:

CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.

DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.

DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.

MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:</p>
<p>CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.</p>
<p>MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</p>
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		<title>By: rosedog</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &quot;You Don&#039;t Know Dick&quot; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious....in a terrifying sort of way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &#8220;You Don&#8217;t Know Dick&#8221; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious&#8230;.in a terrifying sort of way.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting--and, don&#039;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting&#8211;and, don&#8217;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</p>
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		<title>By: Mavis Beacon</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-524013</link>
		<dc:creator>Mavis Beacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#039; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#8217; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunty Woody Coulter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523825</link>
		<dc:creator>Aunty Woody Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&quot; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&#8221; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523791</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#039;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#8217;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523684</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &quot;steve&quot; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &#8220;steve&#8221; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)&lt;/i&gt;

One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:

&lt;blockquote&gt;STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#039;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#039;&#039;people were lined up to spit on us.&quot;

Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#039;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Link here: http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)</i></p>
<p>One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:</p>
<blockquote><p>STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#8217;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.</p>
<p>What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#8221;people were lined up to spit on us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#8217;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.</p></blockquote>
<p>Link here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/78eg3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523059</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what wanking</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523018</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:

CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.

DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.

DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.

MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:</p>
<p>CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.</p>
<p>MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/

Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/</a></p>
<p>Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522892</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522823</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I miss anything while the Paris Hilton interview was in progress?</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftside, 

I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. ;)</description>
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<p>I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. <img src='http://marccooper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522505</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &quot;So were Lugar&#039;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#039;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#039;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#039;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &#8220;So were Lugar&#8217;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#8217;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#8217;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#8216;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522488</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.

Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.

I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.

Lugar has had a problem saying &quot;no&quot; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.

As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.

My guess as to why Lugar has &quot;spoken out&quot; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &quot;turn tail and run.&quot;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.

If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#039;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.</p>
<p>Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.</p>
<p>I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.</p>
<p>Lugar has had a problem saying &#8220;no&#8221; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.</p>
<p>As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.</p>
<p>My guess as to why Lugar has &#8220;spoken out&#8221; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &#8220;turn tail and run.&#8221;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.</p>
<p>If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#8217;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</p>
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		<title>By: pacific_waters</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522462</link>
		<dc:creator>pacific_waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</p>
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		<title>By: K Nardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>K Nardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was well aware of McGovern&#039;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. 

     Your party&#039;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was well aware of McGovern&#8217;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. </p>
<p>     Your party&#8217;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rlc, McGovern didn&#039;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rlc, McGovern didn&#8217;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</p>
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		<title>By: leftside</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &quot;clear and hold&quot; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. 

But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else...

When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. 

Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &quot;broken arm olympics&quot; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#039;s &quot;standards and practices&quot; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#039;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &#8220;clear and hold&#8221; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. </p>
<p>But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else&#8230;</p>
<p>When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. </p>
<p>Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &#8220;broken arm olympics&#8221; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#8217;s &#8220;standards and practices&#8221; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#8217;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523016</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/

Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/</a></p>
<p>Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</p>
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		<title>By: rosedog</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosedog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &quot;You Don&#039;t Know Dick&quot; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious....in a terrifying sort of way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &#8220;You Don&#8217;t Know Dick&#8221; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious&#8230;.in a terrifying sort of way.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting--and, don&#039;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting&#8211;and, don&#8217;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</p>
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		<title>By: Mavis Beacon</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-524013</link>
		<dc:creator>Mavis Beacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#039; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#8217; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunty Woody Coulter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523825</link>
		<dc:creator>Aunty Woody Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&quot; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&#8221; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#039;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#8217;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523684</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &quot;steve&quot; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &#8220;steve&#8221; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)&lt;/i&gt;

One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:

&lt;blockquote&gt;STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#039;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#039;&#039;people were lined up to spit on us.&quot;

Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#039;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Link here: http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)</i></p>
<p>One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:</p>
<blockquote><p>STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#8217;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.</p>
<p>What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#8221;people were lined up to spit on us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#8217;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.</p></blockquote>
<p>Link here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/78eg3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523059</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what wanking</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523018</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:

CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.

DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.

DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.

MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:</p>
<p>CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.</p>
<p>MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523016</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/

Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</description>
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<p>Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522892</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522823</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I miss anything while the Paris Hilton interview was in progress?</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522623</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftside, 

I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftside, </p>
<p>I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. <img src='http://marccooper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &quot;So were Lugar&#039;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#039;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#039;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#039;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &#8220;So were Lugar&#8217;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#8217;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#8217;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#8216;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.

Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.

I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.

Lugar has had a problem saying &quot;no&quot; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.

As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.

My guess as to why Lugar has &quot;spoken out&quot; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &quot;turn tail and run.&quot;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.

If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#039;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.</p>
<p>Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.</p>
<p>I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.</p>
<p>Lugar has had a problem saying &#8220;no&#8221; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.</p>
<p>As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.</p>
<p>My guess as to why Lugar has &#8220;spoken out&#8221; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &#8220;turn tail and run.&#8221;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.</p>
<p>If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#8217;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</p>
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		<title>By: pacific_waters</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</p>
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		<title>By: K Nardy</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522424</link>
		<dc:creator>K Nardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was well aware of McGovern&#039;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. 

     Your party&#039;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was well aware of McGovern&#8217;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. </p>
<p>     Your party&#8217;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rlc, McGovern didn&#039;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rlc, McGovern didn&#8217;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</p>
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		<title>By: leftside</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &quot;clear and hold&quot; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. 

But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else...

When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. 

Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &quot;broken arm olympics&quot; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#039;s &quot;standards and practices&quot; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#039;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &#8220;clear and hold&#8221; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. </p>
<p>But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else&#8230;</p>
<p>When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. </p>
<p>Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &#8220;broken arm olympics&#8221; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#8217;s &#8220;standards and practices&#8221; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#8217;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</description>
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		<title>By: rosedog</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &quot;You Don&#039;t Know Dick&quot; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious....in a terrifying sort of way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &#8220;You Don&#8217;t Know Dick&#8221; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious&#8230;.in a terrifying sort of way.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-524113</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting--and, don&#039;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting&#8211;and, don&#8217;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</p>
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		<title>By: Mavis Beacon</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-524013</link>
		<dc:creator>Mavis Beacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#039; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#8217; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunty Woody Coulter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aunty Woody Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&quot; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&#8221; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#039;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#8217;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523684</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &quot;steve&quot; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &#8220;steve&#8221; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)&lt;/i&gt;

One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:

&lt;blockquote&gt;STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#039;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#039;&#039;people were lined up to spit on us.&quot;

Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#039;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Link here: http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)</i></p>
<p>One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:</p>
<blockquote><p>STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#8217;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.</p>
<p>What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#8221;people were lined up to spit on us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#8217;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.</p></blockquote>
<p>Link here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/78eg3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what wanking</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:

CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.

DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.

DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.

MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:</p>
<p>CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.</p>
<p>MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/

Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/</a></p>
<p>Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I miss anything while the Paris Hilton interview was in progress?</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftside, 

I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. ;)</description>
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<p>I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. <img src='http://marccooper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522505</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &quot;So were Lugar&#039;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#039;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#039;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#039;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &#8220;So were Lugar&#8217;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#8217;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#8217;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#8216;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522488</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.

Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.

I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.

Lugar has had a problem saying &quot;no&quot; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.

As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.

My guess as to why Lugar has &quot;spoken out&quot; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &quot;turn tail and run.&quot;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.

If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#039;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.</p>
<p>Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.</p>
<p>I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.</p>
<p>Lugar has had a problem saying &#8220;no&#8221; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.</p>
<p>As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.</p>
<p>My guess as to why Lugar has &#8220;spoken out&#8221; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &#8220;turn tail and run.&#8221;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.</p>
<p>If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#8217;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</p>
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		<title>By: pacific_waters</title>
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		<dc:creator>pacific_waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</p>
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		<title>By: K Nardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>K Nardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was well aware of McGovern&#039;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. 

     Your party&#039;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was well aware of McGovern&#8217;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. </p>
<p>     Your party&#8217;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rlc, McGovern didn&#039;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rlc, McGovern didn&#8217;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</p>
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		<title>By: leftside</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &quot;clear and hold&quot; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. 

But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else...

When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. 

Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &quot;broken arm olympics&quot; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#039;s &quot;standards and practices&quot; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#039;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &#8220;clear and hold&#8221; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. </p>
<p>But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else&#8230;</p>
<p>When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. </p>
<p>Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &#8220;broken arm olympics&#8221; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#8217;s &#8220;standards and practices&#8221; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#8217;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522823</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I miss anything while the Paris Hilton interview was in progress?</description>
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		<title>By: rosedog</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosedog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &quot;You Don&#039;t Know Dick&quot; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious....in a terrifying sort of way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &#8220;You Don&#8217;t Know Dick&#8221; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious&#8230;.in a terrifying sort of way.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-524113</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting--and, don&#039;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting&#8211;and, don&#8217;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</p>
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		<title>By: Mavis Beacon</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-524013</link>
		<dc:creator>Mavis Beacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#039; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#8217; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunty Woody Coulter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aunty Woody Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&quot; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&#8221; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#039;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#8217;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523684</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &quot;steve&quot; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &#8220;steve&#8221; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)&lt;/i&gt;

One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:

&lt;blockquote&gt;STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#039;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#039;&#039;people were lined up to spit on us.&quot;

Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#039;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Link here: http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)</i></p>
<p>One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:</p>
<blockquote><p>STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#8217;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.</p>
<p>What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#8221;people were lined up to spit on us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#8217;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.</p></blockquote>
<p>Link here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/78eg3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523059</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what wanking</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:

CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.

DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.

DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.

MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:</p>
<p>CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.</p>
<p>MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/

Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</description>
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<p>Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522892</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522823</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I miss anything while the Paris Hilton interview was in progress?</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftside, 

I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftside, </p>
<p>I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. <img src='http://marccooper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522505</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &quot;So were Lugar&#039;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#039;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#039;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#039;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &#8220;So were Lugar&#8217;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#8217;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#8217;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#8216;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.

Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.

I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.

Lugar has had a problem saying &quot;no&quot; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.

As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.

My guess as to why Lugar has &quot;spoken out&quot; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &quot;turn tail and run.&quot;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.

If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#039;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.</p>
<p>Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.</p>
<p>I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.</p>
<p>Lugar has had a problem saying &#8220;no&#8221; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.</p>
<p>As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.</p>
<p>My guess as to why Lugar has &#8220;spoken out&#8221; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &#8220;turn tail and run.&#8221;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.</p>
<p>If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#8217;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</p>
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		<title>By: pacific_waters</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</p>
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		<title>By: K Nardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>K Nardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was well aware of McGovern&#039;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. 

     Your party&#039;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was well aware of McGovern&#8217;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. </p>
<p>     Your party&#8217;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rlc, McGovern didn&#039;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</description>
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		<title>By: leftside</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &quot;clear and hold&quot; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. 

But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else...

When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. 

Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &quot;broken arm olympics&quot; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#039;s &quot;standards and practices&quot; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#039;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &#8220;clear and hold&#8221; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. </p>
<p>But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else&#8230;</p>
<p>When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. </p>
<p>Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &#8220;broken arm olympics&#8221; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#8217;s &#8220;standards and practices&#8221; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#8217;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftside, 

I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftside, </p>
<p>I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. <img src='http://marccooper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: rosedog</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosedog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &quot;You Don&#039;t Know Dick&quot; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious....in a terrifying sort of way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &#8220;You Don&#8217;t Know Dick&#8221; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious&#8230;.in a terrifying sort of way.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting--and, don&#039;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting&#8211;and, don&#8217;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</p>
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		<title>By: Mavis Beacon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mavis Beacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#039; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#8217; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunty Woody Coulter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aunty Woody Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&quot; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&#8221; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#039;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#8217;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &quot;steve&quot; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &#8220;steve&#8221; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)&lt;/i&gt;

One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:

&lt;blockquote&gt;STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#039;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#039;&#039;people were lined up to spit on us.&quot;

Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#039;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Link here: http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)</i></p>
<p>One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:</p>
<blockquote><p>STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#8217;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.</p>
<p>What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#8221;people were lined up to spit on us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#8217;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.</p></blockquote>
<p>Link here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/78eg3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what wanking</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:

CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.

DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.

DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.

MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:</p>
<p>CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.</p>
<p>MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/

Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</description>
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<p>Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I miss anything while the Paris Hilton interview was in progress?</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftside, 

I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftside, </p>
<p>I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. <img src='http://marccooper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &quot;So were Lugar&#039;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#039;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#039;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#039;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &#8220;So were Lugar&#8217;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#8217;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#8217;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#8216;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.

Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.

I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.

Lugar has had a problem saying &quot;no&quot; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.

As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.

My guess as to why Lugar has &quot;spoken out&quot; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &quot;turn tail and run.&quot;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.

If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#039;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.</p>
<p>Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.</p>
<p>I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.</p>
<p>Lugar has had a problem saying &#8220;no&#8221; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.</p>
<p>As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.</p>
<p>My guess as to why Lugar has &#8220;spoken out&#8221; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &#8220;turn tail and run.&#8221;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.</p>
<p>If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#8217;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</p>
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		<title>By: pacific_waters</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</p>
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		<title>By: K Nardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>K Nardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was well aware of McGovern&#039;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. 

     Your party&#039;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was well aware of McGovern&#8217;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. </p>
<p>     Your party&#8217;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rlc, McGovern didn&#039;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</description>
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		<title>By: leftside</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &quot;clear and hold&quot; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. 

But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else...

When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. 

Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &quot;broken arm olympics&quot; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#039;s &quot;standards and practices&quot; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#039;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &#8220;clear and hold&#8221; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. </p>
<p>But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else&#8230;</p>
<p>When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. </p>
<p>Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &#8220;broken arm olympics&#8221; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#8217;s &#8220;standards and practices&#8221; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#8217;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &quot;So were Lugar&#039;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#039;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#039;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#039;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &#8220;So were Lugar&#8217;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#8217;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#8217;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#8216;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: rosedog</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &quot;You Don&#039;t Know Dick&quot; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious....in a terrifying sort of way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &#8220;You Don&#8217;t Know Dick&#8221; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious&#8230;.in a terrifying sort of way.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting--and, don&#039;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting&#8211;and, don&#8217;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</p>
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		<title>By: Mavis Beacon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mavis Beacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#039; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#8217; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunty Woody Coulter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aunty Woody Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&quot; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&#8221; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#039;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#8217;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &quot;steve&quot; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &#8220;steve&#8221; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)&lt;/i&gt;

One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:

&lt;blockquote&gt;STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#039;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#039;&#039;people were lined up to spit on us.&quot;

Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#039;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Link here: http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)</i></p>
<p>One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:</p>
<blockquote><p>STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#8217;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.</p>
<p>What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#8221;people were lined up to spit on us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#8217;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.</p></blockquote>
<p>Link here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/78eg3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what wanking</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:

CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.

DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.

DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.

MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:</p>
<p>CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.</p>
<p>MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/

Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</description>
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<p>Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I miss anything while the Paris Hilton interview was in progress?</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftside, 

I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. ;)</description>
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<p>I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. <img src='http://marccooper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &quot;So were Lugar&#039;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#039;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#039;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#039;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &#8220;So were Lugar&#8217;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#8217;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#8217;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#8216;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.

Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.

I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.

Lugar has had a problem saying &quot;no&quot; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.

As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.

My guess as to why Lugar has &quot;spoken out&quot; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &quot;turn tail and run.&quot;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.

If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#039;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.</p>
<p>Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.</p>
<p>I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.</p>
<p>Lugar has had a problem saying &#8220;no&#8221; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.</p>
<p>As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.</p>
<p>My guess as to why Lugar has &#8220;spoken out&#8221; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &#8220;turn tail and run.&#8221;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.</p>
<p>If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#8217;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</p>
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		<title>By: pacific_waters</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</p>
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		<title>By: K Nardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>K Nardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was well aware of McGovern&#039;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. 

     Your party&#039;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was well aware of McGovern&#8217;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. </p>
<p>     Your party&#8217;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rlc, McGovern didn&#039;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</description>
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		<title>By: leftside</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &quot;clear and hold&quot; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. 

But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else...

When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. 

Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &quot;broken arm olympics&quot; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#039;s &quot;standards and practices&quot; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#039;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &#8220;clear and hold&#8221; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. </p>
<p>But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else&#8230;</p>
<p>When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. </p>
<p>Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &#8220;broken arm olympics&#8221; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#8217;s &#8220;standards and practices&#8221; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#8217;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.

Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.

I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.

Lugar has had a problem saying &quot;no&quot; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.

As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.

My guess as to why Lugar has &quot;spoken out&quot; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &quot;turn tail and run.&quot;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.

If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#039;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.</p>
<p>Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.</p>
<p>I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.</p>
<p>Lugar has had a problem saying &#8220;no&#8221; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.</p>
<p>As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.</p>
<p>My guess as to why Lugar has &#8220;spoken out&#8221; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &#8220;turn tail and run.&#8221;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.</p>
<p>If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#8217;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</p>
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		<title>By: rosedog</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &quot;You Don&#039;t Know Dick&quot; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious....in a terrifying sort of way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &#8220;You Don&#8217;t Know Dick&#8221; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious&#8230;.in a terrifying sort of way.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting--and, don&#039;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting&#8211;and, don&#8217;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</p>
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		<title>By: Mavis Beacon</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#039; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#8217; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunty Woody Coulter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aunty Woody Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&quot; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&#8221; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#039;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#8217;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &quot;steve&quot; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &#8220;steve&#8221; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)&lt;/i&gt;

One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:

&lt;blockquote&gt;STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#039;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#039;&#039;people were lined up to spit on us.&quot;

Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#039;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Link here: http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)</i></p>
<p>One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:</p>
<blockquote><p>STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#8217;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.</p>
<p>What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#8221;people were lined up to spit on us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#8217;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.</p></blockquote>
<p>Link here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/78eg3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523059</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what wanking</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523018</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:

CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.

DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.

DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.

MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:</p>
<p>CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.</p>
<p>MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/

Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/</a></p>
<p>Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I miss anything while the Paris Hilton interview was in progress?</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftside, 

I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftside, </p>
<p>I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. <img src='http://marccooper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &quot;So were Lugar&#039;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#039;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#039;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#039;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &#8220;So were Lugar&#8217;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#8217;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#8217;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#8216;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522488</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.

Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.

I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.

Lugar has had a problem saying &quot;no&quot; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.

As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.

My guess as to why Lugar has &quot;spoken out&quot; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &quot;turn tail and run.&quot;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.

If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#039;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.</p>
<p>Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.</p>
<p>I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.</p>
<p>Lugar has had a problem saying &#8220;no&#8221; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.</p>
<p>As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.</p>
<p>My guess as to why Lugar has &#8220;spoken out&#8221; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &#8220;turn tail and run.&#8221;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.</p>
<p>If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#8217;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</p>
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		<title>By: pacific_waters</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</p>
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		<title>By: K Nardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>K Nardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was well aware of McGovern&#039;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. 

     Your party&#039;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was well aware of McGovern&#8217;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. </p>
<p>     Your party&#8217;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rlc, McGovern didn&#039;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</description>
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		<title>By: leftside</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &quot;clear and hold&quot; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. 

But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else...

When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. 

Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &quot;broken arm olympics&quot; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#039;s &quot;standards and practices&quot; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#039;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &#8220;clear and hold&#8221; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. </p>
<p>But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else&#8230;</p>
<p>When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. </p>
<p>Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &#8220;broken arm olympics&#8221; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#8217;s &#8220;standards and practices&#8221; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#8217;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>pacific_waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</p>
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		<title>By: rosedog</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &quot;You Don&#039;t Know Dick&quot; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious....in a terrifying sort of way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &#8220;You Don&#8217;t Know Dick&#8221; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious&#8230;.in a terrifying sort of way.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting--and, don&#039;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting&#8211;and, don&#8217;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</p>
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		<title>By: Mavis Beacon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mavis Beacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#039; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#8217; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunty Woody Coulter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aunty Woody Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&quot; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&#8221; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#039;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &quot;steve&quot; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &#8220;steve&#8221; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)&lt;/i&gt;

One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:

&lt;blockquote&gt;STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#039;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#039;&#039;people were lined up to spit on us.&quot;

Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#039;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Link here: http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)</i></p>
<p>One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:</p>
<blockquote><p>STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#8217;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.</p>
<p>What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#8221;people were lined up to spit on us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#8217;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.</p></blockquote>
<p>Link here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/78eg3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523059</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what wanking</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523018</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:

CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.

DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.

DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.

MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:</p>
<p>CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.</p>
<p>MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/

Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/</a></p>
<p>Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I miss anything while the Paris Hilton interview was in progress?</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftside, 

I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftside, </p>
<p>I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. <img src='http://marccooper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &quot;So were Lugar&#039;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#039;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#039;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#039;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &#8220;So were Lugar&#8217;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#8217;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#8217;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#8216;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522488</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.

Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.

I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.

Lugar has had a problem saying &quot;no&quot; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.

As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.

My guess as to why Lugar has &quot;spoken out&quot; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &quot;turn tail and run.&quot;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.

If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#039;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.</p>
<p>Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.</p>
<p>I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.</p>
<p>Lugar has had a problem saying &#8220;no&#8221; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.</p>
<p>As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.</p>
<p>My guess as to why Lugar has &#8220;spoken out&#8221; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &#8220;turn tail and run.&#8221;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.</p>
<p>If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#8217;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</p>
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		<title>By: pacific_waters</title>
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		<dc:creator>pacific_waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</p>
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		<title>By: K Nardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>K Nardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was well aware of McGovern&#039;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. 

     Your party&#039;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was well aware of McGovern&#8217;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. </p>
<p>     Your party&#8217;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-1/#comment-522417</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rlc, McGovern didn&#039;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</description>
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		<title>By: leftside</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &quot;clear and hold&quot; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. 

But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else...

When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. 

Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &quot;broken arm olympics&quot; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#039;s &quot;standards and practices&quot; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#039;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &#8220;clear and hold&#8221; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. </p>
<p>But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else&#8230;</p>
<p>When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. </p>
<p>Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &#8220;broken arm olympics&#8221; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#8217;s &#8220;standards and practices&#8221; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#8217;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>K Nardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was well aware of McGovern&#039;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. 

     Your party&#039;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was well aware of McGovern&#8217;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. </p>
<p>     Your party&#8217;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: rosedog</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &quot;You Don&#039;t Know Dick&quot; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious....in a terrifying sort of way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &#8220;You Don&#8217;t Know Dick&#8221; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious&#8230;.in a terrifying sort of way.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting--and, don&#039;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting&#8211;and, don&#8217;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</p>
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		<title>By: Mavis Beacon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mavis Beacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#039; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#8217; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunty Woody Coulter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aunty Woody Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&quot; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&#8221; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#039;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#8217;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &quot;steve&quot; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &#8220;steve&#8221; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523668</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)&lt;/i&gt;

One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:

&lt;blockquote&gt;STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#039;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#039;&#039;people were lined up to spit on us.&quot;

Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#039;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Link here: http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)</i></p>
<p>One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:</p>
<blockquote><p>STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#8217;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.</p>
<p>What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#8221;people were lined up to spit on us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#8217;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.</p></blockquote>
<p>Link here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/78eg3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523059</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what wanking</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523018</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:

CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.

DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.

DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.

MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:</p>
<p>CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.</p>
<p>MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523016</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/

Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/</a></p>
<p>Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I miss anything while the Paris Hilton interview was in progress?</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftside, 

I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftside, </p>
<p>I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. <img src='http://marccooper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522505</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &quot;So were Lugar&#039;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#039;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#039;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#039;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &#8220;So were Lugar&#8217;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#8217;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#8217;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#8216;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522488</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.

Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.

I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.

Lugar has had a problem saying &quot;no&quot; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.

As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.

My guess as to why Lugar has &quot;spoken out&quot; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &quot;turn tail and run.&quot;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.

If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#039;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.</p>
<p>Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.</p>
<p>I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.</p>
<p>Lugar has had a problem saying &#8220;no&#8221; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.</p>
<p>As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.</p>
<p>My guess as to why Lugar has &#8220;spoken out&#8221; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &#8220;turn tail and run.&#8221;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.</p>
<p>If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#8217;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</p>
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		<title>By: pacific_waters</title>
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		<dc:creator>pacific_waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</p>
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		<title>By: K Nardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>K Nardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was well aware of McGovern&#039;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. 

     Your party&#039;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was well aware of McGovern&#8217;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. </p>
<p>     Your party&#8217;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-1/#comment-522417</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rlc, McGovern didn&#039;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rlc, McGovern didn&#8217;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</p>
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		<title>By: leftside</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &quot;clear and hold&quot; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. 

But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else...

When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. 

Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &quot;broken arm olympics&quot; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#039;s &quot;standards and practices&quot; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#039;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &#8220;clear and hold&#8221; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. </p>
<p>But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else&#8230;</p>
<p>When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. </p>
<p>Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &#8220;broken arm olympics&#8221; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#8217;s &#8220;standards and practices&#8221; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#8217;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rlc, McGovern didn&#039;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rlc, McGovern didn&#8217;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</p>
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		<title>By: rosedog</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosedog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &quot;You Don&#039;t Know Dick&quot; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious....in a terrifying sort of way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &#8220;You Don&#8217;t Know Dick&#8221; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious&#8230;.in a terrifying sort of way.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting--and, don&#039;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting&#8211;and, don&#8217;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</p>
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		<title>By: Mavis Beacon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mavis Beacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#039; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#8217; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunty Woody Coulter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aunty Woody Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&quot; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&#8221; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#039;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#8217;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523684</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &quot;steve&quot; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &#8220;steve&#8221; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523668</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)&lt;/i&gt;

One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:

&lt;blockquote&gt;STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#039;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#039;&#039;people were lined up to spit on us.&quot;

Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#039;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Link here: http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)</i></p>
<p>One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:</p>
<blockquote><p>STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#8217;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.</p>
<p>What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#8221;people were lined up to spit on us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#8217;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.</p></blockquote>
<p>Link here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/78eg3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523059</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what wanking</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523018</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:

CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.

DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.

DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.

MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:</p>
<p>CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.</p>
<p>MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/

Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/</a></p>
<p>Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522823</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I miss anything while the Paris Hilton interview was in progress?</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftside, 

I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftside, </p>
<p>I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. <img src='http://marccooper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &quot;So were Lugar&#039;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#039;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#039;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#039;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &#8220;So were Lugar&#8217;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#8217;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#8217;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#8216;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.

Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.

I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.

Lugar has had a problem saying &quot;no&quot; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.

As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.

My guess as to why Lugar has &quot;spoken out&quot; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &quot;turn tail and run.&quot;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.

If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#039;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.</p>
<p>Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.</p>
<p>I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.</p>
<p>Lugar has had a problem saying &#8220;no&#8221; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.</p>
<p>As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.</p>
<p>My guess as to why Lugar has &#8220;spoken out&#8221; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &#8220;turn tail and run.&#8221;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.</p>
<p>If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#8217;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</p>
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		<title>By: pacific_waters</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522462</link>
		<dc:creator>pacific_waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</p>
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		<title>By: K Nardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>K Nardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was well aware of McGovern&#039;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. 

     Your party&#039;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was well aware of McGovern&#8217;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. </p>
<p>     Your party&#8217;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rlc, McGovern didn&#039;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</description>
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		<title>By: leftside</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &quot;clear and hold&quot; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. 

But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else...

When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. 

Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &quot;broken arm olympics&quot; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#039;s &quot;standards and practices&quot; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#039;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &#8220;clear and hold&#8221; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. </p>
<p>But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else&#8230;</p>
<p>When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. </p>
<p>Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &#8220;broken arm olympics&#8221; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#8217;s &#8220;standards and practices&#8221; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#8217;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &quot;clear and hold&quot; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. 

But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else...

When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. 

Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &quot;broken arm olympics&quot; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#039;s &quot;standards and practices&quot; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#039;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &#8220;clear and hold&#8221; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. </p>
<p>But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else&#8230;</p>
<p>When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. </p>
<p>Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &#8220;broken arm olympics&#8221; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#8217;s &#8220;standards and practices&#8221; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#8217;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: rosedog</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &quot;You Don&#039;t Know Dick&quot; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious....in a terrifying sort of way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of Cheney, I hope, in addition to reading the excellent WaPo series, that everyone has seen the &#8220;You Don&#8217;t Know Dick&#8221; segments that were featured all week on the Daily Show.  I just caught up and they are hilarious&#8230;.in a terrifying sort of way.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting--and, don&#039;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard for soldiers to feel acceptance when the Senate Majority Leader tells them that they are failures and lost the war at a time when they are still fighting&#8211;and, don&#8217;t claim that he was talking about policy vs. ground action.</p>
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		<title>By: Mavis Beacon</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-524013</link>
		<dc:creator>Mavis Beacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#039; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Vietnam Vet vs. protesters phenomenon more generally, I was listening to To the Point recently and they were talking with a soldier and several people closely dealing with the psychological wounds of war, and several of them described how Iraq veterans have been treated warmly by both the pro-war and anti-war crowds and yet, just like in the Vietnam War, soldiers feel extremely alienated from and rejected by society.  Makes you wonder how much of soldiers&#8217; resentment of anti-Vietnam war protesters had to do with PTSD.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunty Woody Coulter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523825</link>
		<dc:creator>Aunty Woody Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&quot; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€˜the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or&#8221; discontinue daily fellating of President Bush or His Majesty Mr. Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523791</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#039;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a sense of humor. I just don&#8217;t find you funny, as I have yet to see a picture of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523684</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &quot;steve&quot; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, you sure go to a lot of trouble to dispel a tongue-in-cheek joke, in part related way back to when our friend &#8220;steve&#8221; used to comment here.  See, liberals have no sense of humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523668</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)&lt;/i&gt;

One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:

&lt;blockquote&gt;STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#039;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#039;&#039;people were lined up to spit on us.&quot;

Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#039;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Link here: http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>rlc, McGovern didnâ€™t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him. (Are we allowed to say that?)</i></p>
<p>One wonders if Woody believes in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus as well:</p>
<blockquote><p>STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It&#8217;s hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.</p>
<p>What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where &#8221;people were lined up to spit on us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith&#8217;s lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.</p></blockquote>
<p>Link here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/78eg3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/78eg3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523059</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what wanking</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523018</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:

CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.

DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.

DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.

MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Department of Defense has identified 3,560 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:</p>
<p>CRAIG, Andre Jr., 24, Pfc., Army; New Haven; First Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DAHL, Joel A., 21, Sgt., Army; Los Lunas, N.M.; Second Infantry Division.</p>
<p>DIXON, Derek C., 20, Cpl., Marines; Riverside, Ohio; Second Marine Division.</p>
<p>MORETTI, Trista L., 27, Sgt., Army; South Plainfield, N.J.; 25th Infantry Division.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-523016</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/

Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/</a></p>
<p>Impeach Cheney sez Slate.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522892</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Woody, the Angels got swept by the goddamn Royals!</description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522823</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I miss anything while the Paris Hilton interview was in progress?</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522623</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftside, 

I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftside, </p>
<p>I really disagree, but I admire your heterodoxy, as a Pro-Venezuela hawk. <img src='http://marccooper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522505</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &quot;So were Lugar&#039;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#039;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#039;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#039;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Yglesias in the Guardian:  &#8220;So were Lugar&#8217;s words a shot across the bow? A warning that he&#8217;s had enough and is ready to switch sides? Not according to Lugar&#8217;s spokesman Andy Fisher who told the Associated Press that &#8216;the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522488</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.

Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.

I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.

Lugar has had a problem saying &quot;no&quot; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.

As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.

My guess as to why Lugar has &quot;spoken out&quot; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &quot;turn tail and run.&quot;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.

If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#039;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Lugar was one of the first Republicans to express any doubts about the Iraq War.  He stated at a very early point in 2003 that he did not see preparation for the post-mission mission of building and rebuilding Iraq.  The problem is that he has raised these points occasionally for the last 4 years, then proceeded to refuse to go along with any active response.  He and Chuck Hagel, in fact, spoke out just about together in 2003.  Lugar then figuratively just shook his head and went back to his jigsaw puzzles, while Hagel took on the entire Republican establishment.</p>
<p>Btw, what happened to the Hagel presidential campaign?  He was the antiwar alternative in the party before Ron Paul.</p>
<p>I think the problem Lugar has had is that he is fundamentally not a confrontational person, and he became used to presidents taking his opinion seriously.  He is not prepared for the response he has received from the incumbent Republican president, which is to ignore him utterly.</p>
<p>Lugar has had a problem saying &#8220;no&#8221; throughout his career.  Back in 1973, as mayor of Indianapolis, he submitted to an interview by the editors of a brand-new sort-of underground newspaper.  I happened to be one.  At that time we were playing around in our pages with the idea of UFOs.  One of us asked Mayor Lugar what he would do if he were confronted by a UFO and its inhabitants.  Rather than throw us out of his office, he said he would probably shake tentacles and award the beings the Key to the City.</p>
<p>As a more significant example, he found it impossible to cut his ties to those of his supporters who were identified as being tied to organized crime.</p>
<p>My guess as to why Lugar has &#8220;spoken out&#8221; this week is that he has heard the rumors coming out of the White House that Bush is, for the first time, considering a reversal of the momentum for a heavier and heavier commitment in Iraq.  Maybe he is signalling that there will be significant Republican support for Bush if he does &#8220;turn tail and run.&#8221;  Perhaps he is signalling, on the other hand, that there will be little Republican support in the Senate for any plan that does not include definite steps toward withdrawal.</p>
<p>If it is the latter, though, Lugar characteristically cushions his own blow by saying he&#8217;s not going to vote with the Democrats on any substantive withdrawal plan.</p>
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		<title>By: pacific_waters</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522462</link>
		<dc:creator>pacific_waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just another example of how polluted all our thinking has become. From the most trivial (Depends on what no means.) to the the serious (VPOTUS not a part of the of the executive branch.) our society is awash with people trying to find some ridiculous semantic wiggle room to excuse whatever it is they wish to excuse. Democrats and republicans alike have lost whatever morals and ethics they may have once had. Stop the cultural and moral relativity arguments on both sides. Cheney is no more than another example.</p>
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		<title>By: K Nardy</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-2/#comment-522424</link>
		<dc:creator>K Nardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was well aware of McGovern&#039;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. 

     Your party&#039;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was well aware of McGovern&#8217;s outstanding service record when I campaigned for him at age 13.  It was not a hudge deal, Wood for brains, because Nixon had an honerable, if not as heroic, service record too. </p>
<p>     Your party&#8217;s love of gold plated, chicken hawk draft dodgers came later&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-1/#comment-522417</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rlc, McGovern didn&#039;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rlc, McGovern didn&#8217;t mention that he had been in the military because left-wing protestors would have spit on him.  (Are we allowed to say that?)</p>
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		<title>By: leftside</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-1/#comment-522392</link>
		<dc:creator>leftside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &quot;clear and hold&quot; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. 

But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else...

When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. 

Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &quot;broken arm olympics&quot; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#039;s &quot;standards and practices&quot; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#039;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cummings, as I hope I made clear, I think &#8220;clear and hold&#8221; on surge-lite is doomed to failure, or at least will not provide anything resembling victory. But it does deserve a fair chance as I think it is the one military strategy being used over there that at least is based on some evidence of worth (in other insurgencies and in Tall Afar, Iraq). As I said, if it fails to produce, we must get straight out and concede military strategies have failed. I think we owe this honest try (which Rumsfeld and Cheney argued against the whole time) to our troops, who deserve to know there was nothing they could have done in making their sacrifices worth it. </p>
<p>But I must be off my meds as Cooper diagnosed me (and you) as one who must always be to the left of everyone else&#8230;</p>
<p>When are we gonna get a movie review of Sicko?? 50-1 Cooper (or his daughter) will pooh-pooh it because it dares paints Cuba in a positive light. In response to the claim they were treated differently, Moore said last night on Leno that one Spanish speaking 9/11 responder actually went to a different clinic as a Cuban on her own and was treated the same as when with the Moore group. </p>
<p>Moore also disclosed that in 1997 NBC censored the results of a TV Nation bit that had Cuba scoring better in a &#8220;broken arm olympics&#8221; vs. the US and Canada. NBC&#8217;s &#8220;standards and practices&#8221; banned Cuba from winning and made Canada the winner. They did the dirty edits over Moore&#8217;s objection. Raw political censorship in America??? Naw&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dicko/comment-page-1/#comment-522362</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Dick Lugar? He&#039;s already been to the Woodshed - I mean White House and pledge fielty to his liege lord, won&#039;t vote to end the funding.

Get it straight guys for I&#039;m only going to say this once: the Withdrawal begins on or about Jan 20 2009 when the Boy-King and his &quot;Evil Wazir&quot; leave the scene and not a moment sooner. I was burned by the ISG but not again. Bush will NEVER NEVER admit that he screwed the pooch - and certainly not with Cheney whispering in his ear of glories to come if he stays the course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Dick Lugar? He&#8217;s already been to the Woodshed &#8211; I mean White House and pledge fielty to his liege lord, won&#8217;t vote to end the funding.</p>
<p>Get it straight guys for I&#8217;m only going to say this once: the Withdrawal begins on or about Jan 20 2009 when the Boy-King and his &#8220;Evil Wazir&#8221; leave the scene and not a moment sooner. I was burned by the ISG but not again. Bush will NEVER NEVER admit that he screwed the pooch &#8211; and certainly not with Cheney whispering in his ear of glories to come if he stays the course.</p>
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