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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615563</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:
http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:<br />
<a href="http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851" rel="nofollow">http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</a></p>
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		<title>By: Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615558</link>
		<dc:creator>Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dicking and dithering in Afghanistan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615522</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest stuff:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest stuff:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim&#039;s hitting the vodka again.

Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim&#8217;s hitting the vodka again.</p>
<p>Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who&#039;s side are you own..&quot; is &quot;Who&#039;s side are you on..&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you own..&#8221; is &#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you on..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615466</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are also play th perpetrators game...&quot; is &quot;You also play the perpetrators game...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are also play th perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221; is &#8220;You also play the perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615465</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&quot;

You&#039;re so diplomatic Rob.

&quot;...public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&quot;

It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#039;war on radical Islam&#039; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?

You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#039;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?

Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so diplomatic Rob.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#8216;war on radical Islam&#8217; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?</p>
<p>You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#8217;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?</p>
<p>Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last comment was in response to reg @ 7:45 pm, not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understandable position.

I dunno what Obama&#039;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understandable position.</p>
<p>I dunno what Obama&#8217;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of Afghanistan, gringos de mierda.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly Rob, I&#039;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#039;s based on something more than &quot;hope.&quot;   I didn&#039;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#039; account), I&#039;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar - it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#039;t actually the case with BushCo.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly Rob, I&#8217;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#8217;s based on something more than &#8220;hope.&#8221;   I didn&#8217;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#8217; account), I&#8217;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar &#8211; it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#8217;t actually the case with BushCo.)</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &quot;radical Islam.&quot; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#039;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and ``radical Islam.&#039;&#039;
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &quot;neoconservatives&quot; who begged for a global religious war against Islam -- taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam -- will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#8217;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221;<br />
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &#8220;neoconservatives&#8221; who begged for a global religious war against Islam &#8212; taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam &#8212; will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh.  &quot;huge&quot; not &quot;hugh&quot;  among other probable writing errors...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ugh.  &#8220;huge&#8221; not &#8220;hugh&#8221;  among other probable writing errors&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615438</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&quot;  

Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#039;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB -- not having to deal with that motherfookin&#039; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush -- by extension the US &amp; NATO -- as fools.  There&#039;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.  
Begs some questions: namely, what&#039;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#039;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#039;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#8217;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB &#8212; not having to deal with that motherfookin&#8217; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush &#8212; by extension the US &amp; NATO &#8212; as fools.  There&#8217;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.<br />
Begs some questions: namely, what&#8217;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#8217;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#8217;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Pokey.  Glad that was intended as satire.  Sorry I missed what I guess should have been obvious.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just comparing the two episodes - seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#039;s an impression, but I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#039;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just comparing the two episodes &#8211; seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#8217;s an impression, but I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#8242;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I simply don&#039;t understand this:
&quot;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&quot;
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &quot;lessons learned&quot; in the &#039;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections...

Also, what do you mean by the &quot;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&quot;?

However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#039;s number one enemy - Saddam - and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I simply don&#8217;t understand this:<br />
&#8220;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&#8221;<br />
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &#8220;lessons learned&#8221; in the &#8217;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, what do you mean by the &#8220;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&#8221;?</p>
<p>However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#8217;s number one enemy &#8211; Saddam &#8211; and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Pokey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”

My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.

I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#039;s letter

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”</p>
<p>My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.</p>
<p>I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#8217;s letter</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony of the &quot;Iraq Liberation Act&quot;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#039;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then - but we could have, as the &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat - but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#039;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#039;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan - along with humanitarian considerations - but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#039;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#039;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#039;t do that credibly, it means he&#039;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of the &#8220;Iraq Liberation Act&#8221;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#8217;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then &#8211; but we could have, as the &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat &#8211; but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#8217;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#8217;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan &#8211; along with humanitarian considerations &#8211; but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#8217;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#8217;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#8217;t do that credibly, it means he&#8217;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615563</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:
http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:<br />
<a href="http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851" rel="nofollow">http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</a></p>
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		<title>By: Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dicking and dithering in Afghanistan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest stuff:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest stuff:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim&#039;s hitting the vodka again.

Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim&#8217;s hitting the vodka again.</p>
<p>Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who&#039;s side are you own..&quot; is &quot;Who&#039;s side are you on..&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you own..&#8221; is &#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you on..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are also play th perpetrators game...&quot; is &quot;You also play the perpetrators game...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are also play th perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221; is &#8220;You also play the perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615465</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&quot;

You&#039;re so diplomatic Rob.

&quot;...public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&quot;

It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#039;war on radical Islam&#039; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?

You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#039;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?

Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so diplomatic Rob.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#8216;war on radical Islam&#8217; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?</p>
<p>You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#8217;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?</p>
<p>Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last comment was in response to reg @ 7:45 pm, not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understandable position.

I dunno what Obama&#039;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understandable position.</p>
<p>I dunno what Obama&#8217;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of Afghanistan, gringos de mierda.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615444</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly Rob, I&#039;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#039;s based on something more than &quot;hope.&quot;   I didn&#039;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#039; account), I&#039;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar - it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#039;t actually the case with BushCo.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly Rob, I&#8217;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#8217;s based on something more than &#8220;hope.&#8221;   I didn&#8217;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#8217; account), I&#8217;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar &#8211; it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#8217;t actually the case with BushCo.)</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615442</link>
		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &quot;radical Islam.&quot; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#039;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and ``radical Islam.&#039;&#039;
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &quot;neoconservatives&quot; who begged for a global religious war against Islam -- taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam -- will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#8217;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221;<br />
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &#8220;neoconservatives&#8221; who begged for a global religious war against Islam &#8212; taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam &#8212; will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615439</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh.  &quot;huge&quot; not &quot;hugh&quot;  among other probable writing errors...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ugh.  &#8220;huge&#8221; not &#8220;hugh&#8221;  among other probable writing errors&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615438</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&quot;  

Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#039;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB -- not having to deal with that motherfookin&#039; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush -- by extension the US &amp; NATO -- as fools.  There&#039;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.  
Begs some questions: namely, what&#039;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#039;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#039;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#8217;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB &#8212; not having to deal with that motherfookin&#8217; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush &#8212; by extension the US &amp; NATO &#8212; as fools.  There&#8217;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.<br />
Begs some questions: namely, what&#8217;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#8217;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#8217;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615437</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Pokey.  Glad that was intended as satire.  Sorry I missed what I guess should have been obvious.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615436</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just comparing the two episodes - seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#039;s an impression, but I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#039;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just comparing the two episodes &#8211; seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#8217;s an impression, but I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#8242;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615435</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I simply don&#039;t understand this:
&quot;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&quot;
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &quot;lessons learned&quot; in the &#039;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections...

Also, what do you mean by the &quot;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&quot;?

However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#039;s number one enemy - Saddam - and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I simply don&#8217;t understand this:<br />
&#8220;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&#8221;<br />
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &#8220;lessons learned&#8221; in the &#8217;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, what do you mean by the &#8220;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&#8221;?</p>
<p>However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#8217;s number one enemy &#8211; Saddam &#8211; and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Pokey</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615434</link>
		<dc:creator>Pokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”

My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.

I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#039;s letter

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”</p>
<p>My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.</p>
<p>I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#8217;s letter</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony of the &quot;Iraq Liberation Act&quot;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#039;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then - but we could have, as the &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat - but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#039;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#039;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan - along with humanitarian considerations - but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#039;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#039;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#039;t do that credibly, it means he&#039;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of the &#8220;Iraq Liberation Act&#8221;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#8217;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then &#8211; but we could have, as the &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat &#8211; but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#8217;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#8217;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan &#8211; along with humanitarian considerations &#8211; but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#8217;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#8217;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#8217;t do that credibly, it means he&#8217;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:
http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</description>
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<a href="http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851" rel="nofollow">http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:
http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</description>
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		<title>By: Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dicking and dithering in Afghanistan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest stuff:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest stuff:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim&#039;s hitting the vodka again.

Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</description>
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<p>Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who&#039;s side are you own..&quot; is &quot;Who&#039;s side are you on..&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you own..&#8221; is &#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you on..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are also play th perpetrators game...&quot; is &quot;You also play the perpetrators game...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are also play th perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221; is &#8220;You also play the perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&quot;

You&#039;re so diplomatic Rob.

&quot;...public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&quot;

It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#039;war on radical Islam&#039; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?

You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#039;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?

Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so diplomatic Rob.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#8216;war on radical Islam&#8217; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?</p>
<p>You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#8217;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?</p>
<p>Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last comment was in response to reg @ 7:45 pm, not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understandable position.

I dunno what Obama&#039;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</description>
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<p>I dunno what Obama&#8217;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of Afghanistan, gringos de mierda.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly Rob, I&#039;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#039;s based on something more than &quot;hope.&quot;   I didn&#039;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#039; account), I&#039;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar - it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#039;t actually the case with BushCo.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly Rob, I&#8217;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#8217;s based on something more than &#8220;hope.&#8221;   I didn&#8217;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#8217; account), I&#8217;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar &#8211; it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#8217;t actually the case with BushCo.)</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &quot;radical Islam.&quot; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#039;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and ``radical Islam.&#039;&#039;
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &quot;neoconservatives&quot; who begged for a global religious war against Islam -- taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam -- will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#8217;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221;<br />
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &#8220;neoconservatives&#8221; who begged for a global religious war against Islam &#8212; taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam &#8212; will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615439</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh.  &quot;huge&quot; not &quot;hugh&quot;  among other probable writing errors...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ugh.  &#8220;huge&#8221; not &#8220;hugh&#8221;  among other probable writing errors&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615438</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&quot;  

Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#039;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB -- not having to deal with that motherfookin&#039; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush -- by extension the US &amp; NATO -- as fools.  There&#039;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.  
Begs some questions: namely, what&#039;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#039;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#039;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#8217;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB &#8212; not having to deal with that motherfookin&#8217; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush &#8212; by extension the US &amp; NATO &#8212; as fools.  There&#8217;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.<br />
Begs some questions: namely, what&#8217;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#8217;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#8217;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Pokey.  Glad that was intended as satire.  Sorry I missed what I guess should have been obvious.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just comparing the two episodes - seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#039;s an impression, but I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#039;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just comparing the two episodes &#8211; seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#8217;s an impression, but I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#8242;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I simply don&#039;t understand this:
&quot;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&quot;
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &quot;lessons learned&quot; in the &#039;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections...

Also, what do you mean by the &quot;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&quot;?

However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#039;s number one enemy - Saddam - and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I simply don&#8217;t understand this:<br />
&#8220;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&#8221;<br />
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &#8220;lessons learned&#8221; in the &#8217;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, what do you mean by the &#8220;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&#8221;?</p>
<p>However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#8217;s number one enemy &#8211; Saddam &#8211; and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Pokey</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615434</link>
		<dc:creator>Pokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”

My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.

I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#039;s letter

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”</p>
<p>My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.</p>
<p>I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#8217;s letter</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony of the &quot;Iraq Liberation Act&quot;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#039;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then - but we could have, as the &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat - but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#039;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#039;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan - along with humanitarian considerations - but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#039;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#039;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#039;t do that credibly, it means he&#039;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of the &#8220;Iraq Liberation Act&#8221;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#8217;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then &#8211; but we could have, as the &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat &#8211; but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#8217;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#8217;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan &#8211; along with humanitarian considerations &#8211; but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#8217;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#8217;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#8217;t do that credibly, it means he&#8217;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:
http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</description>
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<a href="http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851" rel="nofollow">http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</a></p>
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		<title>By: Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest stuff:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest stuff:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim&#039;s hitting the vodka again.

Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</description>
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<p>Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who&#039;s side are you own..&quot; is &quot;Who&#039;s side are you on..&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you own..&#8221; is &#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you on..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are also play th perpetrators game...&quot; is &quot;You also play the perpetrators game...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are also play th perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221; is &#8220;You also play the perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&quot;

You&#039;re so diplomatic Rob.

&quot;...public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&quot;

It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#039;war on radical Islam&#039; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?

You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#039;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?

Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so diplomatic Rob.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#8216;war on radical Islam&#8217; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?</p>
<p>You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#8217;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?</p>
<p>Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last comment was in response to reg @ 7:45 pm, not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understandable position.

I dunno what Obama&#039;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understandable position.</p>
<p>I dunno what Obama&#8217;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of Afghanistan, gringos de mierda.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly Rob, I&#039;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#039;s based on something more than &quot;hope.&quot;   I didn&#039;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#039; account), I&#039;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar - it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#039;t actually the case with BushCo.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly Rob, I&#8217;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#8217;s based on something more than &#8220;hope.&#8221;   I didn&#8217;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#8217; account), I&#8217;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar &#8211; it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#8217;t actually the case with BushCo.)</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &quot;radical Islam.&quot; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#039;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and ``radical Islam.&#039;&#039;
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &quot;neoconservatives&quot; who begged for a global religious war against Islam -- taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam -- will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#8217;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221;<br />
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &#8220;neoconservatives&#8221; who begged for a global religious war against Islam &#8212; taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam &#8212; will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615439</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh.  &quot;huge&quot; not &quot;hugh&quot;  among other probable writing errors...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ugh.  &#8220;huge&#8221; not &#8220;hugh&#8221;  among other probable writing errors&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615438</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&quot;  

Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#039;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB -- not having to deal with that motherfookin&#039; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush -- by extension the US &amp; NATO -- as fools.  There&#039;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.  
Begs some questions: namely, what&#039;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#039;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#039;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#8217;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB &#8212; not having to deal with that motherfookin&#8217; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush &#8212; by extension the US &amp; NATO &#8212; as fools.  There&#8217;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.<br />
Begs some questions: namely, what&#8217;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#8217;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#8217;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Pokey.  Glad that was intended as satire.  Sorry I missed what I guess should have been obvious.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just comparing the two episodes - seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#039;s an impression, but I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#039;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just comparing the two episodes &#8211; seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#8217;s an impression, but I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#8242;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I simply don&#039;t understand this:
&quot;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&quot;
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &quot;lessons learned&quot; in the &#039;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections...

Also, what do you mean by the &quot;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&quot;?

However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#039;s number one enemy - Saddam - and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I simply don&#8217;t understand this:<br />
&#8220;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&#8221;<br />
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &#8220;lessons learned&#8221; in the &#8217;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, what do you mean by the &#8220;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&#8221;?</p>
<p>However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#8217;s number one enemy &#8211; Saddam &#8211; and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Pokey</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615434</link>
		<dc:creator>Pokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”

My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.

I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#039;s letter

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”</p>
<p>My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.</p>
<p>I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#8217;s letter</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony of the &quot;Iraq Liberation Act&quot;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#039;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then - but we could have, as the &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat - but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#039;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#039;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan - along with humanitarian considerations - but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#039;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#039;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#039;t do that credibly, it means he&#039;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of the &#8220;Iraq Liberation Act&#8221;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#8217;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then &#8211; but we could have, as the &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat &#8211; but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#8217;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#8217;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan &#8211; along with humanitarian considerations &#8211; but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#8217;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#8217;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#8217;t do that credibly, it means he&#8217;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest stuff:
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:
http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</description>
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		<title>By: Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dicking and dithering in Afghanistan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest stuff:
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim&#039;s hitting the vodka again.

Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</description>
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<p>Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who&#039;s side are you own..&quot; is &quot;Who&#039;s side are you on..&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you own..&#8221; is &#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you on..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are also play th perpetrators game...&quot; is &quot;You also play the perpetrators game...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are also play th perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221; is &#8220;You also play the perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&quot;

You&#039;re so diplomatic Rob.

&quot;...public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&quot;

It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#039;war on radical Islam&#039; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?

You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#039;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?

Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so diplomatic Rob.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#8216;war on radical Islam&#8217; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?</p>
<p>You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#8217;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?</p>
<p>Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last comment was in response to reg @ 7:45 pm, not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understandable position.

I dunno what Obama&#039;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</description>
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<p>I dunno what Obama&#8217;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of Afghanistan, gringos de mierda.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly Rob, I&#039;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#039;s based on something more than &quot;hope.&quot;   I didn&#039;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#039; account), I&#039;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar - it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#039;t actually the case with BushCo.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly Rob, I&#8217;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#8217;s based on something more than &#8220;hope.&#8221;   I didn&#8217;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#8217; account), I&#8217;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar &#8211; it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#8217;t actually the case with BushCo.)</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &quot;radical Islam.&quot; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#039;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and ``radical Islam.&#039;&#039;
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &quot;neoconservatives&quot; who begged for a global religious war against Islam -- taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam -- will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#8217;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221;<br />
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &#8220;neoconservatives&#8221; who begged for a global religious war against Islam &#8212; taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam &#8212; will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh.  &quot;huge&quot; not &quot;hugh&quot;  among other probable writing errors...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ugh.  &#8220;huge&#8221; not &#8220;hugh&#8221;  among other probable writing errors&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615438</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&quot;  

Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#039;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB -- not having to deal with that motherfookin&#039; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush -- by extension the US &amp; NATO -- as fools.  There&#039;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.  
Begs some questions: namely, what&#039;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#039;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#039;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#8217;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB &#8212; not having to deal with that motherfookin&#8217; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush &#8212; by extension the US &amp; NATO &#8212; as fools.  There&#8217;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.<br />
Begs some questions: namely, what&#8217;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#8217;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#8217;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Pokey.  Glad that was intended as satire.  Sorry I missed what I guess should have been obvious.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just comparing the two episodes - seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#039;s an impression, but I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#039;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just comparing the two episodes &#8211; seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#8217;s an impression, but I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#8242;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I simply don&#039;t understand this:
&quot;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&quot;
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &quot;lessons learned&quot; in the &#039;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections...

Also, what do you mean by the &quot;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&quot;?

However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#039;s number one enemy - Saddam - and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I simply don&#8217;t understand this:<br />
&#8220;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&#8221;<br />
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &#8220;lessons learned&#8221; in the &#8217;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, what do you mean by the &#8220;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&#8221;?</p>
<p>However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#8217;s number one enemy &#8211; Saddam &#8211; and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Pokey</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615434</link>
		<dc:creator>Pokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”

My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.

I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#039;s letter

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”</p>
<p>My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.</p>
<p>I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#8217;s letter</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony of the &quot;Iraq Liberation Act&quot;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#039;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then - but we could have, as the &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat - but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#039;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#039;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan - along with humanitarian considerations - but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#039;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#039;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#039;t do that credibly, it means he&#039;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of the &#8220;Iraq Liberation Act&#8221;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#8217;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then &#8211; but we could have, as the &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat &#8211; but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#8217;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#8217;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan &#8211; along with humanitarian considerations &#8211; but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#8217;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#8217;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#8217;t do that credibly, it means he&#8217;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim&#039;s hitting the vodka again.

Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</description>
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<p>Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:
http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</description>
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<a href="http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851" rel="nofollow">http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</a></p>
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		<title>By: Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dicking and dithering in Afghanistan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest stuff:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest stuff:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim&#039;s hitting the vodka again.

Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</description>
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<p>Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who&#039;s side are you own..&quot; is &quot;Who&#039;s side are you on..&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you own..&#8221; is &#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you on..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are also play th perpetrators game...&quot; is &quot;You also play the perpetrators game...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are also play th perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221; is &#8220;You also play the perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615465</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&quot;

You&#039;re so diplomatic Rob.

&quot;...public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&quot;

It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#039;war on radical Islam&#039; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?

You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#039;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?

Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so diplomatic Rob.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#8216;war on radical Islam&#8217; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?</p>
<p>You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#8217;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?</p>
<p>Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last comment was in response to reg @ 7:45 pm, not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understandable position.

I dunno what Obama&#039;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understandable position.</p>
<p>I dunno what Obama&#8217;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of Afghanistan, gringos de mierda.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly Rob, I&#039;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#039;s based on something more than &quot;hope.&quot;   I didn&#039;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#039; account), I&#039;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar - it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#039;t actually the case with BushCo.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly Rob, I&#8217;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#8217;s based on something more than &#8220;hope.&#8221;   I didn&#8217;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#8217; account), I&#8217;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar &#8211; it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#8217;t actually the case with BushCo.)</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &quot;radical Islam.&quot; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#039;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and ``radical Islam.&#039;&#039;
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &quot;neoconservatives&quot; who begged for a global religious war against Islam -- taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam -- will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#8217;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221;<br />
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &#8220;neoconservatives&#8221; who begged for a global religious war against Islam &#8212; taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam &#8212; will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh.  &quot;huge&quot; not &quot;hugh&quot;  among other probable writing errors...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ugh.  &#8220;huge&#8221; not &#8220;hugh&#8221;  among other probable writing errors&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615438</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&quot;  

Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#039;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB -- not having to deal with that motherfookin&#039; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush -- by extension the US &amp; NATO -- as fools.  There&#039;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.  
Begs some questions: namely, what&#039;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#039;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#039;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#8217;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB &#8212; not having to deal with that motherfookin&#8217; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush &#8212; by extension the US &amp; NATO &#8212; as fools.  There&#8217;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.<br />
Begs some questions: namely, what&#8217;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#8217;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#8217;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Pokey.  Glad that was intended as satire.  Sorry I missed what I guess should have been obvious.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just comparing the two episodes - seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#039;s an impression, but I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#039;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just comparing the two episodes &#8211; seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#8217;s an impression, but I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#8242;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I simply don&#039;t understand this:
&quot;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&quot;
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &quot;lessons learned&quot; in the &#039;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections...

Also, what do you mean by the &quot;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&quot;?

However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#039;s number one enemy - Saddam - and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I simply don&#8217;t understand this:<br />
&#8220;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&#8221;<br />
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &#8220;lessons learned&#8221; in the &#8217;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, what do you mean by the &#8220;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&#8221;?</p>
<p>However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#8217;s number one enemy &#8211; Saddam &#8211; and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Pokey</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615434</link>
		<dc:creator>Pokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”

My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.

I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#039;s letter

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”</p>
<p>My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.</p>
<p>I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#8217;s letter</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony of the &quot;Iraq Liberation Act&quot;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#039;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then - but we could have, as the &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat - but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#039;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#039;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan - along with humanitarian considerations - but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#039;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#039;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#039;t do that credibly, it means he&#039;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of the &#8220;Iraq Liberation Act&#8221;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#8217;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then &#8211; but we could have, as the &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat &#8211; but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#8217;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#8217;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan &#8211; along with humanitarian considerations &#8211; but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#8217;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#8217;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#8217;t do that credibly, it means he&#8217;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who&#039;s side are you own..&quot; is &quot;Who&#039;s side are you on..&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:
http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</description>
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<a href="http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851" rel="nofollow">http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</a></p>
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		<title>By: Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dicking and dithering in Afghanistan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest stuff:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest stuff:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim&#039;s hitting the vodka again.

Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</description>
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<p>Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who&#039;s side are you own..&quot; is &quot;Who&#039;s side are you on..&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are also play th perpetrators game...&quot; is &quot;You also play the perpetrators game...&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&quot;

You&#039;re so diplomatic Rob.

&quot;...public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&quot;

It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#039;war on radical Islam&#039; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?

You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#039;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?

Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so diplomatic Rob.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#8216;war on radical Islam&#8217; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?</p>
<p>You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#8217;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?</p>
<p>Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last comment was in response to reg @ 7:45 pm, not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understandable position.

I dunno what Obama&#039;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</description>
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<p>I dunno what Obama&#8217;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of Afghanistan, gringos de mierda.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly Rob, I&#039;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#039;s based on something more than &quot;hope.&quot;   I didn&#039;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#039; account), I&#039;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar - it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#039;t actually the case with BushCo.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly Rob, I&#8217;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#8217;s based on something more than &#8220;hope.&#8221;   I didn&#8217;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#8217; account), I&#8217;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar &#8211; it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#8217;t actually the case with BushCo.)</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &quot;radical Islam.&quot; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#039;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and ``radical Islam.&#039;&#039;
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &quot;neoconservatives&quot; who begged for a global religious war against Islam -- taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam -- will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#8217;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221;<br />
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &#8220;neoconservatives&#8221; who begged for a global religious war against Islam &#8212; taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam &#8212; will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615439</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh.  &quot;huge&quot; not &quot;hugh&quot;  among other probable writing errors...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ugh.  &#8220;huge&#8221; not &#8220;hugh&#8221;  among other probable writing errors&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615438</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&quot;  

Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#039;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB -- not having to deal with that motherfookin&#039; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush -- by extension the US &amp; NATO -- as fools.  There&#039;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.  
Begs some questions: namely, what&#039;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#039;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#039;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#8217;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB &#8212; not having to deal with that motherfookin&#8217; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush &#8212; by extension the US &amp; NATO &#8212; as fools.  There&#8217;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.<br />
Begs some questions: namely, what&#8217;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#8217;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#8217;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Pokey.  Glad that was intended as satire.  Sorry I missed what I guess should have been obvious.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just comparing the two episodes - seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#039;s an impression, but I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#039;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just comparing the two episodes &#8211; seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#8217;s an impression, but I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#8242;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I simply don&#039;t understand this:
&quot;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&quot;
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &quot;lessons learned&quot; in the &#039;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections...

Also, what do you mean by the &quot;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&quot;?

However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#039;s number one enemy - Saddam - and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I simply don&#8217;t understand this:<br />
&#8220;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&#8221;<br />
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &#8220;lessons learned&#8221; in the &#8217;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, what do you mean by the &#8220;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&#8221;?</p>
<p>However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#8217;s number one enemy &#8211; Saddam &#8211; and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Pokey</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615434</link>
		<dc:creator>Pokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”

My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.

I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#039;s letter

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”</p>
<p>My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.</p>
<p>I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#8217;s letter</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony of the &quot;Iraq Liberation Act&quot;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#039;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then - but we could have, as the &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat - but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#039;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#039;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan - along with humanitarian considerations - but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#039;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#039;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#039;t do that credibly, it means he&#039;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of the &#8220;Iraq Liberation Act&#8221;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#8217;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then &#8211; but we could have, as the &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat &#8211; but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#8217;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#8217;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan &#8211; along with humanitarian considerations &#8211; but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#8217;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#8217;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#8217;t do that credibly, it means he&#8217;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:
http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</description>
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<a href="http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851" rel="nofollow">http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</a></p>
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		<title>By: Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dicking and dithering in Afghanistan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest stuff:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest stuff:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim&#039;s hitting the vodka again.

Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</description>
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<p>Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who&#039;s side are you own..&quot; is &quot;Who&#039;s side are you on..&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are also play th perpetrators game...&quot; is &quot;You also play the perpetrators game...&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&quot;

You&#039;re so diplomatic Rob.

&quot;...public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&quot;

It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#039;war on radical Islam&#039; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?

You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#039;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?

Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so diplomatic Rob.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#8216;war on radical Islam&#8217; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?</p>
<p>You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#8217;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?</p>
<p>Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last comment was in response to reg @ 7:45 pm, not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understandable position.

I dunno what Obama&#039;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</description>
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<p>I dunno what Obama&#8217;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of Afghanistan, gringos de mierda.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly Rob, I&#039;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#039;s based on something more than &quot;hope.&quot;   I didn&#039;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#039; account), I&#039;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar - it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#039;t actually the case with BushCo.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly Rob, I&#8217;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#8217;s based on something more than &#8220;hope.&#8221;   I didn&#8217;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#8217; account), I&#8217;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar &#8211; it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#8217;t actually the case with BushCo.)</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &quot;radical Islam.&quot; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#039;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and ``radical Islam.&#039;&#039;
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &quot;neoconservatives&quot; who begged for a global religious war against Islam -- taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam -- will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#8217;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221;<br />
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &#8220;neoconservatives&#8221; who begged for a global religious war against Islam &#8212; taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam &#8212; will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh.  &quot;huge&quot; not &quot;hugh&quot;  among other probable writing errors...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ugh.  &#8220;huge&#8221; not &#8220;hugh&#8221;  among other probable writing errors&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615438</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&quot;  

Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#039;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB -- not having to deal with that motherfookin&#039; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush -- by extension the US &amp; NATO -- as fools.  There&#039;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.  
Begs some questions: namely, what&#039;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#039;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#039;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#8217;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB &#8212; not having to deal with that motherfookin&#8217; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush &#8212; by extension the US &amp; NATO &#8212; as fools.  There&#8217;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.<br />
Begs some questions: namely, what&#8217;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#8217;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#8217;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Pokey.  Glad that was intended as satire.  Sorry I missed what I guess should have been obvious.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just comparing the two episodes - seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#039;s an impression, but I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#039;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just comparing the two episodes &#8211; seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#8217;s an impression, but I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#8242;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I simply don&#039;t understand this:
&quot;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&quot;
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &quot;lessons learned&quot; in the &#039;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections...

Also, what do you mean by the &quot;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&quot;?

However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#039;s number one enemy - Saddam - and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I simply don&#8217;t understand this:<br />
&#8220;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&#8221;<br />
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &#8220;lessons learned&#8221; in the &#8217;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, what do you mean by the &#8220;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&#8221;?</p>
<p>However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#8217;s number one enemy &#8211; Saddam &#8211; and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Pokey</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615434</link>
		<dc:creator>Pokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”

My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.

I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#039;s letter

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”</p>
<p>My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.</p>
<p>I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#8217;s letter</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony of the &quot;Iraq Liberation Act&quot;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#039;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then - but we could have, as the &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat - but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#039;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#039;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan - along with humanitarian considerations - but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#039;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#039;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#039;t do that credibly, it means he&#039;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of the &#8220;Iraq Liberation Act&#8221;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#8217;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then &#8211; but we could have, as the &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat &#8211; but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#8217;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#8217;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan &#8211; along with humanitarian considerations &#8211; but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#8217;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#8217;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#8217;t do that credibly, it means he&#8217;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&quot;

You&#039;re so diplomatic Rob.

&quot;...public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&quot;

It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#039;war on radical Islam&#039; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?

You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#039;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?

Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so diplomatic Rob.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#8216;war on radical Islam&#8217; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?</p>
<p>You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#8217;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?</p>
<p>Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:
http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:<br />
<a href="http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851" rel="nofollow">http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</a></p>
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		<title>By: Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dicking and dithering in Afghanistan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest stuff:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest stuff:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim&#039;s hitting the vodka again.

Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</description>
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<p>Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who&#039;s side are you own..&quot; is &quot;Who&#039;s side are you on..&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you own..&#8221; is &#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you on..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are also play th perpetrators game...&quot; is &quot;You also play the perpetrators game...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are also play th perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221; is &#8220;You also play the perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&quot;

You&#039;re so diplomatic Rob.

&quot;...public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&quot;

It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#039;war on radical Islam&#039; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?

You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#039;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?

Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so diplomatic Rob.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#8216;war on radical Islam&#8217; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?</p>
<p>You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#8217;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?</p>
<p>Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last comment was in response to reg @ 7:45 pm, not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understandable position.

I dunno what Obama&#039;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understandable position.</p>
<p>I dunno what Obama&#8217;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of Afghanistan, gringos de mierda.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly Rob, I&#039;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#039;s based on something more than &quot;hope.&quot;   I didn&#039;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#039; account), I&#039;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar - it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#039;t actually the case with BushCo.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly Rob, I&#8217;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#8217;s based on something more than &#8220;hope.&#8221;   I didn&#8217;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#8217; account), I&#8217;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar &#8211; it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#8217;t actually the case with BushCo.)</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &quot;radical Islam.&quot; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#039;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and ``radical Islam.&#039;&#039;
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &quot;neoconservatives&quot; who begged for a global religious war against Islam -- taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam -- will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#8217;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221;<br />
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &#8220;neoconservatives&#8221; who begged for a global religious war against Islam &#8212; taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam &#8212; will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615439</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh.  &quot;huge&quot; not &quot;hugh&quot;  among other probable writing errors...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ugh.  &#8220;huge&#8221; not &#8220;hugh&#8221;  among other probable writing errors&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615438</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&quot;  

Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#039;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB -- not having to deal with that motherfookin&#039; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush -- by extension the US &amp; NATO -- as fools.  There&#039;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.  
Begs some questions: namely, what&#039;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#039;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#039;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#8217;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB &#8212; not having to deal with that motherfookin&#8217; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush &#8212; by extension the US &amp; NATO &#8212; as fools.  There&#8217;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.<br />
Begs some questions: namely, what&#8217;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#8217;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#8217;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Pokey.  Glad that was intended as satire.  Sorry I missed what I guess should have been obvious.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just comparing the two episodes - seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#039;s an impression, but I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#039;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just comparing the two episodes &#8211; seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#8217;s an impression, but I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#8242;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I simply don&#039;t understand this:
&quot;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&quot;
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &quot;lessons learned&quot; in the &#039;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections...

Also, what do you mean by the &quot;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&quot;?

However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#039;s number one enemy - Saddam - and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I simply don&#8217;t understand this:<br />
&#8220;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&#8221;<br />
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &#8220;lessons learned&#8221; in the &#8217;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, what do you mean by the &#8220;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&#8221;?</p>
<p>However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#8217;s number one enemy &#8211; Saddam &#8211; and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Pokey</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615434</link>
		<dc:creator>Pokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”

My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.

I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#039;s letter

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”</p>
<p>My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.</p>
<p>I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#8217;s letter</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony of the &quot;Iraq Liberation Act&quot;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#039;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then - but we could have, as the &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat - but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#039;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#039;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan - along with humanitarian considerations - but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#039;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#039;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#039;t do that credibly, it means he&#039;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of the &#8220;Iraq Liberation Act&#8221;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#8217;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then &#8211; but we could have, as the &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat &#8211; but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#8217;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#8217;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan &#8211; along with humanitarian considerations &#8211; but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#8217;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#8217;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#8217;t do that credibly, it means he&#8217;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last comment was in response to reg @ 7:45 pm, not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:
http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</description>
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		<title>By: Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Dicking and dithering in Afghanistan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest stuff:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest stuff:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim&#039;s hitting the vodka again.

Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</description>
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<p>Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who&#039;s side are you own..&quot; is &quot;Who&#039;s side are you on..&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you own..&#8221; is &#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you on..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are also play th perpetrators game...&quot; is &quot;You also play the perpetrators game...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are also play th perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221; is &#8220;You also play the perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&quot;

You&#039;re so diplomatic Rob.

&quot;...public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&quot;

It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#039;war on radical Islam&#039; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?

You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#039;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?

Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so diplomatic Rob.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#8216;war on radical Islam&#8217; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?</p>
<p>You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#8217;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?</p>
<p>Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last comment was in response to reg @ 7:45 pm, not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understandable position.

I dunno what Obama&#039;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understandable position.</p>
<p>I dunno what Obama&#8217;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of Afghanistan, gringos de mierda.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly Rob, I&#039;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#039;s based on something more than &quot;hope.&quot;   I didn&#039;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#039; account), I&#039;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar - it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#039;t actually the case with BushCo.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly Rob, I&#8217;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#8217;s based on something more than &#8220;hope.&#8221;   I didn&#8217;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#8217; account), I&#8217;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar &#8211; it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#8217;t actually the case with BushCo.)</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &quot;radical Islam.&quot; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#039;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and ``radical Islam.&#039;&#039;
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &quot;neoconservatives&quot; who begged for a global religious war against Islam -- taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam -- will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#8217;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221;<br />
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &#8220;neoconservatives&#8221; who begged for a global religious war against Islam &#8212; taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam &#8212; will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh.  &quot;huge&quot; not &quot;hugh&quot;  among other probable writing errors...</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&quot;  

Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#039;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB -- not having to deal with that motherfookin&#039; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush -- by extension the US &amp; NATO -- as fools.  There&#039;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.  
Begs some questions: namely, what&#039;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#039;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#039;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#8217;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB &#8212; not having to deal with that motherfookin&#8217; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush &#8212; by extension the US &amp; NATO &#8212; as fools.  There&#8217;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.<br />
Begs some questions: namely, what&#8217;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#8217;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#8217;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Pokey.  Glad that was intended as satire.  Sorry I missed what I guess should have been obvious.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just comparing the two episodes - seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#039;s an impression, but I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#039;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just comparing the two episodes &#8211; seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#8217;s an impression, but I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#8242;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I simply don&#039;t understand this:
&quot;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&quot;
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &quot;lessons learned&quot; in the &#039;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections...

Also, what do you mean by the &quot;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&quot;?

However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#039;s number one enemy - Saddam - and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I simply don&#8217;t understand this:<br />
&#8220;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&#8221;<br />
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &#8220;lessons learned&#8221; in the &#8217;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, what do you mean by the &#8220;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&#8221;?</p>
<p>However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#8217;s number one enemy &#8211; Saddam &#8211; and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Pokey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”

My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.

I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#039;s letter

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”</p>
<p>My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.</p>
<p>I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#8217;s letter</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony of the &quot;Iraq Liberation Act&quot;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#039;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then - but we could have, as the &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat - but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#039;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#039;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan - along with humanitarian considerations - but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#039;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#039;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#039;t do that credibly, it means he&#039;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of the &#8220;Iraq Liberation Act&#8221;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#8217;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then &#8211; but we could have, as the &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat &#8211; but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#8217;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#8217;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan &#8211; along with humanitarian considerations &#8211; but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#8217;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#8217;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#8217;t do that credibly, it means he&#8217;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understandable position.

I dunno what Obama&#039;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understandable position.</p>
<p>I dunno what Obama&#8217;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:
http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</description>
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<a href="http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851" rel="nofollow">http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</a></p>
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		<title>By: Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dicking and dithering in Afghanistan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest stuff:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest stuff:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim&#039;s hitting the vodka again.

Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</description>
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<p>Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who&#039;s side are you own..&quot; is &quot;Who&#039;s side are you on..&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you own..&#8221; is &#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you on..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are also play th perpetrators game...&quot; is &quot;You also play the perpetrators game...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are also play th perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221; is &#8220;You also play the perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&quot;

You&#039;re so diplomatic Rob.

&quot;...public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&quot;

It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#039;war on radical Islam&#039; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?

You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#039;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?

Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so diplomatic Rob.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#8216;war on radical Islam&#8217; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?</p>
<p>You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#8217;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?</p>
<p>Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last comment was in response to reg @ 7:45 pm, not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understandable position.

I dunno what Obama&#039;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understandable position.</p>
<p>I dunno what Obama&#8217;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of Afghanistan, gringos de mierda.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly Rob, I&#039;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#039;s based on something more than &quot;hope.&quot;   I didn&#039;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#039; account), I&#039;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar - it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#039;t actually the case with BushCo.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly Rob, I&#8217;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#8217;s based on something more than &#8220;hope.&#8221;   I didn&#8217;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#8217; account), I&#8217;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar &#8211; it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#8217;t actually the case with BushCo.)</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &quot;radical Islam.&quot; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#039;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and ``radical Islam.&#039;&#039;
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &quot;neoconservatives&quot; who begged for a global religious war against Islam -- taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam -- will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#8217;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221;<br />
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &#8220;neoconservatives&#8221; who begged for a global religious war against Islam &#8212; taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam &#8212; will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh.  &quot;huge&quot; not &quot;hugh&quot;  among other probable writing errors...</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615438</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&quot;  

Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#039;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB -- not having to deal with that motherfookin&#039; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush -- by extension the US &amp; NATO -- as fools.  There&#039;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.  
Begs some questions: namely, what&#039;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#039;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#039;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#8217;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB &#8212; not having to deal with that motherfookin&#8217; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush &#8212; by extension the US &amp; NATO &#8212; as fools.  There&#8217;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.<br />
Begs some questions: namely, what&#8217;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#8217;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#8217;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Pokey.  Glad that was intended as satire.  Sorry I missed what I guess should have been obvious.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just comparing the two episodes - seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#039;s an impression, but I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#039;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just comparing the two episodes &#8211; seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#8217;s an impression, but I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#8242;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I simply don&#039;t understand this:
&quot;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&quot;
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &quot;lessons learned&quot; in the &#039;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections...

Also, what do you mean by the &quot;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&quot;?

However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#039;s number one enemy - Saddam - and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I simply don&#8217;t understand this:<br />
&#8220;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&#8221;<br />
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &#8220;lessons learned&#8221; in the &#8217;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, what do you mean by the &#8220;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&#8221;?</p>
<p>However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#8217;s number one enemy &#8211; Saddam &#8211; and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Pokey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”

My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.

I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#039;s letter

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”</p>
<p>My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.</p>
<p>I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#8217;s letter</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony of the &quot;Iraq Liberation Act&quot;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#039;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then - but we could have, as the &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat - but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#039;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#039;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan - along with humanitarian considerations - but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#039;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#039;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#039;t do that credibly, it means he&#039;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of the &#8220;Iraq Liberation Act&#8221;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#8217;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then &#8211; but we could have, as the &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat &#8211; but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#8217;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#8217;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan &#8211; along with humanitarian considerations &#8211; but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#8217;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#8217;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#8217;t do that credibly, it means he&#8217;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of Afghanistan, gringos de mierda.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:
http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</description>
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		<title>By: Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dicking and dithering in Afghanistan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest stuff:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest stuff:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim&#039;s hitting the vodka again.

Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</description>
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<p>Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who&#039;s side are you own..&quot; is &quot;Who&#039;s side are you on..&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you own..&#8221; is &#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you on..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are also play th perpetrators game...&quot; is &quot;You also play the perpetrators game...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are also play th perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221; is &#8220;You also play the perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&quot;

You&#039;re so diplomatic Rob.

&quot;...public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&quot;

It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#039;war on radical Islam&#039; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?

You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#039;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?

Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so diplomatic Rob.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#8216;war on radical Islam&#8217; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?</p>
<p>You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#8217;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?</p>
<p>Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last comment was in response to reg @ 7:45 pm, not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understandable position.

I dunno what Obama&#039;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understandable position.</p>
<p>I dunno what Obama&#8217;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of Afghanistan, gringos de mierda.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly Rob, I&#039;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#039;s based on something more than &quot;hope.&quot;   I didn&#039;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#039; account), I&#039;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar - it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#039;t actually the case with BushCo.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly Rob, I&#8217;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#8217;s based on something more than &#8220;hope.&#8221;   I didn&#8217;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#8217; account), I&#8217;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar &#8211; it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#8217;t actually the case with BushCo.)</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &quot;radical Islam.&quot; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#039;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and ``radical Islam.&#039;&#039;
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &quot;neoconservatives&quot; who begged for a global religious war against Islam -- taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam -- will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#8217;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221;<br />
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &#8220;neoconservatives&#8221; who begged for a global religious war against Islam &#8212; taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam &#8212; will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh.  &quot;huge&quot; not &quot;hugh&quot;  among other probable writing errors...</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&quot;  

Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#039;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB -- not having to deal with that motherfookin&#039; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush -- by extension the US &amp; NATO -- as fools.  There&#039;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.  
Begs some questions: namely, what&#039;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#039;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#039;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#8217;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB &#8212; not having to deal with that motherfookin&#8217; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush &#8212; by extension the US &amp; NATO &#8212; as fools.  There&#8217;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.<br />
Begs some questions: namely, what&#8217;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#8217;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#8217;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Pokey.  Glad that was intended as satire.  Sorry I missed what I guess should have been obvious.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just comparing the two episodes - seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#039;s an impression, but I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#039;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just comparing the two episodes &#8211; seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#8217;s an impression, but I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#8242;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I simply don&#039;t understand this:
&quot;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&quot;
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &quot;lessons learned&quot; in the &#039;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections...

Also, what do you mean by the &quot;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&quot;?

However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#039;s number one enemy - Saddam - and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I simply don&#8217;t understand this:<br />
&#8220;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&#8221;<br />
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &#8220;lessons learned&#8221; in the &#8217;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, what do you mean by the &#8220;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&#8221;?</p>
<p>However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#8217;s number one enemy &#8211; Saddam &#8211; and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Pokey</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615434</link>
		<dc:creator>Pokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”

My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.

I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#039;s letter

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”</p>
<p>My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.</p>
<p>I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#8217;s letter</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony of the &quot;Iraq Liberation Act&quot;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#039;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then - but we could have, as the &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat - but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#039;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#039;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan - along with humanitarian considerations - but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#039;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#039;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#039;t do that credibly, it means he&#039;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of the &#8220;Iraq Liberation Act&#8221;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#8217;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then &#8211; but we could have, as the &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat &#8211; but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#8217;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#8217;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan &#8211; along with humanitarian considerations &#8211; but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#8217;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#8217;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#8217;t do that credibly, it means he&#8217;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly Rob, I&#039;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#039;s based on something more than &quot;hope.&quot;   I didn&#039;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#039; account), I&#039;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar - it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#039;t actually the case with BushCo.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly Rob, I&#8217;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#8217;s based on something more than &#8220;hope.&#8221;   I didn&#8217;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#8217; account), I&#8217;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar &#8211; it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#8217;t actually the case with BushCo.)</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:
http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</description>
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<a href="http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851" rel="nofollow">http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</a></p>
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		<title>By: Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dicking and dithering in Afghanistan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest stuff:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest stuff:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim&#039;s hitting the vodka again.

Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</description>
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<p>Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who&#039;s side are you own..&quot; is &quot;Who&#039;s side are you on..&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you own..&#8221; is &#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you on..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are also play th perpetrators game...&quot; is &quot;You also play the perpetrators game...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are also play th perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221; is &#8220;You also play the perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&quot;

You&#039;re so diplomatic Rob.

&quot;...public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&quot;

It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#039;war on radical Islam&#039; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?

You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#039;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?

Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so diplomatic Rob.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#8216;war on radical Islam&#8217; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?</p>
<p>You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#8217;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?</p>
<p>Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last comment was in response to reg @ 7:45 pm, not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understandable position.

I dunno what Obama&#039;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understandable position.</p>
<p>I dunno what Obama&#8217;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of Afghanistan, gringos de mierda.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly Rob, I&#039;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#039;s based on something more than &quot;hope.&quot;   I didn&#039;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#039; account), I&#039;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar - it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#039;t actually the case with BushCo.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly Rob, I&#8217;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#8217;s based on something more than &#8220;hope.&#8221;   I didn&#8217;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#8217; account), I&#8217;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar &#8211; it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#8217;t actually the case with BushCo.)</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &quot;radical Islam.&quot; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#039;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and ``radical Islam.&#039;&#039;
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &quot;neoconservatives&quot; who begged for a global religious war against Islam -- taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam -- will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#8217;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221;<br />
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &#8220;neoconservatives&#8221; who begged for a global religious war against Islam &#8212; taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam &#8212; will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615439</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh.  &quot;huge&quot; not &quot;hugh&quot;  among other probable writing errors...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ugh.  &#8220;huge&#8221; not &#8220;hugh&#8221;  among other probable writing errors&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615438</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&quot;  

Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#039;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB -- not having to deal with that motherfookin&#039; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush -- by extension the US &amp; NATO -- as fools.  There&#039;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.  
Begs some questions: namely, what&#039;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#039;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#039;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#8217;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB &#8212; not having to deal with that motherfookin&#8217; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush &#8212; by extension the US &amp; NATO &#8212; as fools.  There&#8217;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.<br />
Begs some questions: namely, what&#8217;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#8217;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#8217;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Pokey.  Glad that was intended as satire.  Sorry I missed what I guess should have been obvious.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just comparing the two episodes - seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#039;s an impression, but I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#039;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just comparing the two episodes &#8211; seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#8217;s an impression, but I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#8242;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I simply don&#039;t understand this:
&quot;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&quot;
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &quot;lessons learned&quot; in the &#039;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections...

Also, what do you mean by the &quot;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&quot;?

However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#039;s number one enemy - Saddam - and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I simply don&#8217;t understand this:<br />
&#8220;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&#8221;<br />
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &#8220;lessons learned&#8221; in the &#8217;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, what do you mean by the &#8220;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&#8221;?</p>
<p>However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#8217;s number one enemy &#8211; Saddam &#8211; and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Pokey</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615434</link>
		<dc:creator>Pokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”

My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.

I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#039;s letter

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</description>
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<p>My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.</p>
<p>I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#8217;s letter</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony of the &quot;Iraq Liberation Act&quot;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#039;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then - but we could have, as the &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat - but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#039;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#039;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan - along with humanitarian considerations - but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#039;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#039;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#039;t do that credibly, it means he&#039;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of the &#8220;Iraq Liberation Act&#8221;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#8217;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then &#8211; but we could have, as the &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat &#8211; but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#8217;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#8217;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan &#8211; along with humanitarian considerations &#8211; but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#8217;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#8217;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#8217;t do that credibly, it means he&#8217;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &quot;radical Islam.&quot; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#039;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and ``radical Islam.&#039;&#039;
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &quot;neoconservatives&quot; who begged for a global religious war against Islam -- taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam -- will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#8217;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221;<br />
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &#8220;neoconservatives&#8221; who begged for a global religious war against Islam &#8212; taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam &#8212; will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:
http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</description>
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<a href="http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851" rel="nofollow">http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</a></p>
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		<title>By: Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dicking and dithering in Afghanistan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest stuff:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest stuff:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim&#039;s hitting the vodka again.

Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</description>
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<p>Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who&#039;s side are you own..&quot; is &quot;Who&#039;s side are you on..&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you own..&#8221; is &#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you on..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are also play th perpetrators game...&quot; is &quot;You also play the perpetrators game...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are also play th perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221; is &#8220;You also play the perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&quot;

You&#039;re so diplomatic Rob.

&quot;...public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&quot;

It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#039;war on radical Islam&#039; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?

You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#039;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?

Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so diplomatic Rob.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#8216;war on radical Islam&#8217; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?</p>
<p>You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#8217;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?</p>
<p>Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last comment was in response to reg @ 7:45 pm, not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understandable position.

I dunno what Obama&#039;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understandable position.</p>
<p>I dunno what Obama&#8217;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of Afghanistan, gringos de mierda.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly Rob, I&#039;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#039;s based on something more than &quot;hope.&quot;   I didn&#039;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#039; account), I&#039;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar - it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#039;t actually the case with BushCo.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly Rob, I&#8217;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#8217;s based on something more than &#8220;hope.&#8221;   I didn&#8217;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#8217; account), I&#8217;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar &#8211; it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#8217;t actually the case with BushCo.)</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &quot;radical Islam.&quot; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#039;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and ``radical Islam.&#039;&#039;
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &quot;neoconservatives&quot; who begged for a global religious war against Islam -- taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam -- will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#8217;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221;<br />
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &#8220;neoconservatives&#8221; who begged for a global religious war against Islam &#8212; taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam &#8212; will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh.  &quot;huge&quot; not &quot;hugh&quot;  among other probable writing errors...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ugh.  &#8220;huge&#8221; not &#8220;hugh&#8221;  among other probable writing errors&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&quot;  

Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#039;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB -- not having to deal with that motherfookin&#039; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush -- by extension the US &amp; NATO -- as fools.  There&#039;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.  
Begs some questions: namely, what&#039;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#039;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#039;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#8217;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB &#8212; not having to deal with that motherfookin&#8217; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush &#8212; by extension the US &amp; NATO &#8212; as fools.  There&#8217;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.<br />
Begs some questions: namely, what&#8217;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#8217;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#8217;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Pokey.  Glad that was intended as satire.  Sorry I missed what I guess should have been obvious.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just comparing the two episodes - seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#039;s an impression, but I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#039;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just comparing the two episodes &#8211; seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#8217;s an impression, but I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#8242;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I simply don&#039;t understand this:
&quot;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&quot;
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &quot;lessons learned&quot; in the &#039;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections...

Also, what do you mean by the &quot;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&quot;?

However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#039;s number one enemy - Saddam - and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I simply don&#8217;t understand this:<br />
&#8220;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&#8221;<br />
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &#8220;lessons learned&#8221; in the &#8217;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, what do you mean by the &#8220;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&#8221;?</p>
<p>However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#8217;s number one enemy &#8211; Saddam &#8211; and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Pokey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”

My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.

I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#039;s letter

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</description>
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<p>My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.</p>
<p>I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#8217;s letter</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony of the &quot;Iraq Liberation Act&quot;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#039;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then - but we could have, as the &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat - but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#039;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#039;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan - along with humanitarian considerations - but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#039;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#039;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#039;t do that credibly, it means he&#039;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of the &#8220;Iraq Liberation Act&#8221;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#8217;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then &#8211; but we could have, as the &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat &#8211; but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#8217;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#8217;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan &#8211; along with humanitarian considerations &#8211; but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#8217;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#8217;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#8217;t do that credibly, it means he&#8217;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh.  &quot;huge&quot; not &quot;hugh&quot;  among other probable writing errors...</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:
http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</description>
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		<title>By: Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Dicking and dithering in Afghanistan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest stuff:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest stuff:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim&#039;s hitting the vodka again.

Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</description>
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<p>Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who&#039;s side are you own..&quot; is &quot;Who&#039;s side are you on..&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you own..&#8221; is &#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you on..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are also play th perpetrators game...&quot; is &quot;You also play the perpetrators game...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are also play th perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221; is &#8220;You also play the perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&quot;

You&#039;re so diplomatic Rob.

&quot;...public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&quot;

It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#039;war on radical Islam&#039; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?

You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#039;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?

Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so diplomatic Rob.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#8216;war on radical Islam&#8217; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?</p>
<p>You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#8217;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?</p>
<p>Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last comment was in response to reg @ 7:45 pm, not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understandable position.

I dunno what Obama&#039;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understandable position.</p>
<p>I dunno what Obama&#8217;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of Afghanistan, gringos de mierda.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly Rob, I&#039;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#039;s based on something more than &quot;hope.&quot;   I didn&#039;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#039; account), I&#039;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar - it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#039;t actually the case with BushCo.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly Rob, I&#8217;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#8217;s based on something more than &#8220;hope.&#8221;   I didn&#8217;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#8217; account), I&#8217;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar &#8211; it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#8217;t actually the case with BushCo.)</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &quot;radical Islam.&quot; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#039;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and ``radical Islam.&#039;&#039;
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &quot;neoconservatives&quot; who begged for a global religious war against Islam -- taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam -- will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#8217;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221;<br />
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &#8220;neoconservatives&#8221; who begged for a global religious war against Islam &#8212; taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam &#8212; will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh.  &quot;huge&quot; not &quot;hugh&quot;  among other probable writing errors...</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&quot;  

Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#039;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB -- not having to deal with that motherfookin&#039; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush -- by extension the US &amp; NATO -- as fools.  There&#039;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.  
Begs some questions: namely, what&#039;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#039;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#039;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#8217;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB &#8212; not having to deal with that motherfookin&#8217; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush &#8212; by extension the US &amp; NATO &#8212; as fools.  There&#8217;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.<br />
Begs some questions: namely, what&#8217;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#8217;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#8217;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Pokey.  Glad that was intended as satire.  Sorry I missed what I guess should have been obvious.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just comparing the two episodes - seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#039;s an impression, but I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#039;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just comparing the two episodes &#8211; seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#8217;s an impression, but I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#8242;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I simply don&#039;t understand this:
&quot;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&quot;
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &quot;lessons learned&quot; in the &#039;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections...

Also, what do you mean by the &quot;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&quot;?

However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#039;s number one enemy - Saddam - and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I simply don&#8217;t understand this:<br />
&#8220;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&#8221;<br />
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &#8220;lessons learned&#8221; in the &#8217;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, what do you mean by the &#8220;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&#8221;?</p>
<p>However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#8217;s number one enemy &#8211; Saddam &#8211; and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Pokey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”

My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.

I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#039;s letter

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”</p>
<p>My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.</p>
<p>I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#8217;s letter</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony of the &quot;Iraq Liberation Act&quot;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#039;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then - but we could have, as the &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat - but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#039;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#039;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan - along with humanitarian considerations - but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#039;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#039;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#039;t do that credibly, it means he&#039;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of the &#8220;Iraq Liberation Act&#8221;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#8217;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then &#8211; but we could have, as the &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat &#8211; but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#8217;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#8217;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan &#8211; along with humanitarian considerations &#8211; but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#8217;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#8217;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#8217;t do that credibly, it means he&#8217;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&quot;  

Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#039;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB -- not having to deal with that motherfookin&#039; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush -- by extension the US &amp; NATO -- as fools.  There&#039;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.  
Begs some questions: namely, what&#039;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#039;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#039;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#8217;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB &#8212; not having to deal with that motherfookin&#8217; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush &#8212; by extension the US &amp; NATO &#8212; as fools.  There&#8217;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.<br />
Begs some questions: namely, what&#8217;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#8217;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#8217;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:
http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</description>
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		<title>By: Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dicking and dithering in Afghanistan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest stuff:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest stuff:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim&#039;s hitting the vodka again.

Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</description>
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<p>Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who&#039;s side are you own..&quot; is &quot;Who&#039;s side are you on..&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you own..&#8221; is &#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you on..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are also play th perpetrators game...&quot; is &quot;You also play the perpetrators game...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are also play th perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221; is &#8220;You also play the perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&quot;

You&#039;re so diplomatic Rob.

&quot;...public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&quot;

It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#039;war on radical Islam&#039; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?

You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#039;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?

Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so diplomatic Rob.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#8216;war on radical Islam&#8217; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?</p>
<p>You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#8217;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?</p>
<p>Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last comment was in response to reg @ 7:45 pm, not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understandable position.

I dunno what Obama&#039;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understandable position.</p>
<p>I dunno what Obama&#8217;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</a></p>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of Afghanistan, gringos de mierda.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly Rob, I&#039;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#039;s based on something more than &quot;hope.&quot;   I didn&#039;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#039; account), I&#039;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar - it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#039;t actually the case with BushCo.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly Rob, I&#8217;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#8217;s based on something more than &#8220;hope.&#8221;   I didn&#8217;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#8217; account), I&#8217;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar &#8211; it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#8217;t actually the case with BushCo.)</p>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &quot;radical Islam.&quot; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#039;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and ``radical Islam.&#039;&#039;
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &quot;neoconservatives&quot; who begged for a global religious war against Islam -- taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam -- will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#8217;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221;<br />
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &#8220;neoconservatives&#8221; who begged for a global religious war against Islam &#8212; taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam &#8212; will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh.  &quot;huge&quot; not &quot;hugh&quot;  among other probable writing errors...</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&quot;  

Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#039;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB -- not having to deal with that motherfookin&#039; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush -- by extension the US &amp; NATO -- as fools.  There&#039;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.  
Begs some questions: namely, what&#039;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#039;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#039;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#8217;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB &#8212; not having to deal with that motherfookin&#8217; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush &#8212; by extension the US &amp; NATO &#8212; as fools.  There&#8217;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.<br />
Begs some questions: namely, what&#8217;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#8217;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#8217;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Pokey.  Glad that was intended as satire.  Sorry I missed what I guess should have been obvious.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just comparing the two episodes - seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#039;s an impression, but I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#039;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just comparing the two episodes &#8211; seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#8217;s an impression, but I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#8242;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I simply don&#039;t understand this:
&quot;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&quot;
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &quot;lessons learned&quot; in the &#039;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections...

Also, what do you mean by the &quot;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&quot;?

However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#039;s number one enemy - Saddam - and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I simply don&#8217;t understand this:<br />
&#8220;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&#8221;<br />
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &#8220;lessons learned&#8221; in the &#8217;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, what do you mean by the &#8220;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&#8221;?</p>
<p>However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#8217;s number one enemy &#8211; Saddam &#8211; and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Pokey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”

My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.

I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#039;s letter

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”</p>
<p>My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.</p>
<p>I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#8217;s letter</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony of the &quot;Iraq Liberation Act&quot;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#039;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then - but we could have, as the &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat - but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#039;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#039;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan - along with humanitarian considerations - but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#039;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#039;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#039;t do that credibly, it means he&#039;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of the &#8220;Iraq Liberation Act&#8221;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#8217;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then &#8211; but we could have, as the &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat &#8211; but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#8217;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#8217;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan &#8211; along with humanitarian considerations &#8211; but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#8217;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#8217;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#8217;t do that credibly, it means he&#8217;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Pokey.  Glad that was intended as satire.  Sorry I missed what I guess should have been obvious.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:
http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:<br />
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		<title>By: Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dicking and dithering in Afghanistan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest stuff:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest stuff:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim&#039;s hitting the vodka again.

Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</description>
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<p>Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who&#039;s side are you own..&quot; is &quot;Who&#039;s side are you on..&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you own..&#8221; is &#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you on..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are also play th perpetrators game...&quot; is &quot;You also play the perpetrators game...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are also play th perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221; is &#8220;You also play the perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&quot;

You&#039;re so diplomatic Rob.

&quot;...public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&quot;

It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#039;war on radical Islam&#039; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?

You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#039;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?

Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so diplomatic Rob.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#8216;war on radical Islam&#8217; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?</p>
<p>You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#8217;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?</p>
<p>Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last comment was in response to reg @ 7:45 pm, not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understandable position.

I dunno what Obama&#039;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understandable position.</p>
<p>I dunno what Obama&#8217;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of Afghanistan, gringos de mierda.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly Rob, I&#039;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#039;s based on something more than &quot;hope.&quot;   I didn&#039;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#039; account), I&#039;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar - it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#039;t actually the case with BushCo.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly Rob, I&#8217;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#8217;s based on something more than &#8220;hope.&#8221;   I didn&#8217;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#8217; account), I&#8217;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar &#8211; it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#8217;t actually the case with BushCo.)</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &quot;radical Islam.&quot; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#039;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and ``radical Islam.&#039;&#039;
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &quot;neoconservatives&quot; who begged for a global religious war against Islam -- taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam -- will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#8217;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221;<br />
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &#8220;neoconservatives&#8221; who begged for a global religious war against Islam &#8212; taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam &#8212; will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615439</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh.  &quot;huge&quot; not &quot;hugh&quot;  among other probable writing errors...</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&quot;  

Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#039;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB -- not having to deal with that motherfookin&#039; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush -- by extension the US &amp; NATO -- as fools.  There&#039;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.  
Begs some questions: namely, what&#039;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#039;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#039;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#8217;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB &#8212; not having to deal with that motherfookin&#8217; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush &#8212; by extension the US &amp; NATO &#8212; as fools.  There&#8217;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.<br />
Begs some questions: namely, what&#8217;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#8217;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#8217;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Pokey.  Glad that was intended as satire.  Sorry I missed what I guess should have been obvious.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just comparing the two episodes - seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#039;s an impression, but I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#039;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just comparing the two episodes &#8211; seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#8217;s an impression, but I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#8242;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I simply don&#039;t understand this:
&quot;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&quot;
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &quot;lessons learned&quot; in the &#039;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections...

Also, what do you mean by the &quot;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&quot;?

However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#039;s number one enemy - Saddam - and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I simply don&#8217;t understand this:<br />
&#8220;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&#8221;<br />
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &#8220;lessons learned&#8221; in the &#8217;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, what do you mean by the &#8220;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&#8221;?</p>
<p>However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#8217;s number one enemy &#8211; Saddam &#8211; and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Pokey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”

My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.

I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#039;s letter

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”</p>
<p>My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.</p>
<p>I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#8217;s letter</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony of the &quot;Iraq Liberation Act&quot;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#039;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then - but we could have, as the &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat - but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#039;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#039;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan - along with humanitarian considerations - but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#039;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#039;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#039;t do that credibly, it means he&#039;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of the &#8220;Iraq Liberation Act&#8221;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#8217;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then &#8211; but we could have, as the &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat &#8211; but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#8217;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#8217;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan &#8211; along with humanitarian considerations &#8211; but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#8217;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#8217;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#8217;t do that credibly, it means he&#8217;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just comparing the two episodes - seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#039;s an impression, but I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#039;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just comparing the two episodes &#8211; seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#8217;s an impression, but I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#8242;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:
http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:<br />
<a href="http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851" rel="nofollow">http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</a></p>
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		<title>By: Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dicking and dithering in Afghanistan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest stuff:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest stuff:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim&#039;s hitting the vodka again.

Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</description>
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<p>Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who&#039;s side are you own..&quot; is &quot;Who&#039;s side are you on..&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you own..&#8221; is &#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you on..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are also play th perpetrators game...&quot; is &quot;You also play the perpetrators game...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are also play th perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221; is &#8220;You also play the perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&quot;

You&#039;re so diplomatic Rob.

&quot;...public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&quot;

It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#039;war on radical Islam&#039; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?

You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#039;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?

Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so diplomatic Rob.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#8216;war on radical Islam&#8217; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?</p>
<p>You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#8217;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?</p>
<p>Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last comment was in response to reg @ 7:45 pm, not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understandable position.

I dunno what Obama&#039;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understandable position.</p>
<p>I dunno what Obama&#8217;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of Afghanistan, gringos de mierda.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly Rob, I&#039;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#039;s based on something more than &quot;hope.&quot;   I didn&#039;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#039; account), I&#039;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar - it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#039;t actually the case with BushCo.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly Rob, I&#8217;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#8217;s based on something more than &#8220;hope.&#8221;   I didn&#8217;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#8217; account), I&#8217;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar &#8211; it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#8217;t actually the case with BushCo.)</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &quot;radical Islam.&quot; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#039;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and ``radical Islam.&#039;&#039;
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &quot;neoconservatives&quot; who begged for a global religious war against Islam -- taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam -- will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#8217;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221;<br />
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &#8220;neoconservatives&#8221; who begged for a global religious war against Islam &#8212; taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam &#8212; will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh.  &quot;huge&quot; not &quot;hugh&quot;  among other probable writing errors...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ugh.  &#8220;huge&#8221; not &#8220;hugh&#8221;  among other probable writing errors&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615438</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&quot;  

Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#039;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB -- not having to deal with that motherfookin&#039; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush -- by extension the US &amp; NATO -- as fools.  There&#039;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.  
Begs some questions: namely, what&#039;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#039;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#039;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#8217;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB &#8212; not having to deal with that motherfookin&#8217; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush &#8212; by extension the US &amp; NATO &#8212; as fools.  There&#8217;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.<br />
Begs some questions: namely, what&#8217;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#8217;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#8217;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Pokey.  Glad that was intended as satire.  Sorry I missed what I guess should have been obvious.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just comparing the two episodes - seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#039;s an impression, but I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#039;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just comparing the two episodes &#8211; seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#8217;s an impression, but I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#8242;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I simply don&#039;t understand this:
&quot;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&quot;
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &quot;lessons learned&quot; in the &#039;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections...

Also, what do you mean by the &quot;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&quot;?

However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#039;s number one enemy - Saddam - and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I simply don&#8217;t understand this:<br />
&#8220;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&#8221;<br />
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &#8220;lessons learned&#8221; in the &#8217;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, what do you mean by the &#8220;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&#8221;?</p>
<p>However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#8217;s number one enemy &#8211; Saddam &#8211; and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Pokey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”

My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.

I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#039;s letter

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”</p>
<p>My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.</p>
<p>I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#8217;s letter</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony of the &quot;Iraq Liberation Act&quot;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#039;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then - but we could have, as the &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat - but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#039;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#039;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan - along with humanitarian considerations - but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#039;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#039;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#039;t do that credibly, it means he&#039;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of the &#8220;Iraq Liberation Act&#8221;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#8217;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then &#8211; but we could have, as the &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat &#8211; but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#8217;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#8217;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan &#8211; along with humanitarian considerations &#8211; but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#8217;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#8217;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#8217;t do that credibly, it means he&#8217;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I simply don&#039;t understand this:
&quot;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&quot;
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &quot;lessons learned&quot; in the &#039;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections...

Also, what do you mean by the &quot;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&quot;?

However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#039;s number one enemy - Saddam - and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I simply don&#8217;t understand this:<br />
&#8220;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&#8221;<br />
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &#8220;lessons learned&#8221; in the &#8217;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, what do you mean by the &#8220;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&#8221;?</p>
<p>However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#8217;s number one enemy &#8211; Saddam &#8211; and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:
http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</description>
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		<title>By: Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dicking and dithering in Afghanistan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest stuff:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest stuff:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim&#039;s hitting the vodka again.

Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</description>
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<p>Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who&#039;s side are you own..&quot; is &quot;Who&#039;s side are you on..&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you own..&#8221; is &#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you on..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are also play th perpetrators game...&quot; is &quot;You also play the perpetrators game...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are also play th perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221; is &#8220;You also play the perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&quot;

You&#039;re so diplomatic Rob.

&quot;...public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&quot;

It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#039;war on radical Islam&#039; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?

You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#039;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?

Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so diplomatic Rob.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#8216;war on radical Islam&#8217; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?</p>
<p>You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#8217;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?</p>
<p>Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last comment was in response to reg @ 7:45 pm, not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understandable position.

I dunno what Obama&#039;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understandable position.</p>
<p>I dunno what Obama&#8217;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</a></p>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of Afghanistan, gringos de mierda.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly Rob, I&#039;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#039;s based on something more than &quot;hope.&quot;   I didn&#039;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#039; account), I&#039;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar - it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#039;t actually the case with BushCo.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly Rob, I&#8217;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#8217;s based on something more than &#8220;hope.&#8221;   I didn&#8217;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#8217; account), I&#8217;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar &#8211; it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#8217;t actually the case with BushCo.)</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &quot;radical Islam.&quot; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#039;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and ``radical Islam.&#039;&#039;
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &quot;neoconservatives&quot; who begged for a global religious war against Islam -- taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam -- will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#8217;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221;<br />
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &#8220;neoconservatives&#8221; who begged for a global religious war against Islam &#8212; taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam &#8212; will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh.  &quot;huge&quot; not &quot;hugh&quot;  among other probable writing errors...</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&quot;  

Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#039;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB -- not having to deal with that motherfookin&#039; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush -- by extension the US &amp; NATO -- as fools.  There&#039;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.  
Begs some questions: namely, what&#039;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#039;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#039;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#8217;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB &#8212; not having to deal with that motherfookin&#8217; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush &#8212; by extension the US &amp; NATO &#8212; as fools.  There&#8217;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.<br />
Begs some questions: namely, what&#8217;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#8217;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#8217;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</p>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Pokey.  Glad that was intended as satire.  Sorry I missed what I guess should have been obvious.</description>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just comparing the two episodes - seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#039;s an impression, but I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#039;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just comparing the two episodes &#8211; seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#8217;s an impression, but I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#8242;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I simply don&#039;t understand this:
&quot;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&quot;
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &quot;lessons learned&quot; in the &#039;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections...

Also, what do you mean by the &quot;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&quot;?

However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#039;s number one enemy - Saddam - and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I simply don&#8217;t understand this:<br />
&#8220;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&#8221;<br />
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &#8220;lessons learned&#8221; in the &#8217;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, what do you mean by the &#8220;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&#8221;?</p>
<p>However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#8217;s number one enemy &#8211; Saddam &#8211; and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Pokey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”

My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.

I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#039;s letter

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”</p>
<p>My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.</p>
<p>I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#8217;s letter</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony of the &quot;Iraq Liberation Act&quot;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#039;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then - but we could have, as the &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat - but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#039;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#039;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan - along with humanitarian considerations - but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#039;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#039;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#039;t do that credibly, it means he&#039;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of the &#8220;Iraq Liberation Act&#8221;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#8217;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then &#8211; but we could have, as the &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat &#8211; but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#8217;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#8217;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan &#8211; along with humanitarian considerations &#8211; but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#8217;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#8217;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#8217;t do that credibly, it means he&#8217;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”

My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.

I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#039;s letter

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”</p>
<p>My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.</p>
<p>I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#8217;s letter</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:
http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:<br />
<a href="http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851" rel="nofollow">http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</a></p>
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		<title>By: Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dicking and dithering in Afghanistan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest stuff:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest stuff:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim&#039;s hitting the vodka again.

Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</description>
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<p>Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who&#039;s side are you own..&quot; is &quot;Who&#039;s side are you on..&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you own..&#8221; is &#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you on..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are also play th perpetrators game...&quot; is &quot;You also play the perpetrators game...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are also play th perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221; is &#8220;You also play the perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&quot;

You&#039;re so diplomatic Rob.

&quot;...public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&quot;

It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#039;war on radical Islam&#039; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?

You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#039;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?

Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so diplomatic Rob.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#8216;war on radical Islam&#8217; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?</p>
<p>You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#8217;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?</p>
<p>Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last comment was in response to reg @ 7:45 pm, not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understandable position.

I dunno what Obama&#039;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understandable position.</p>
<p>I dunno what Obama&#8217;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of Afghanistan, gringos de mierda.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly Rob, I&#039;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#039;s based on something more than &quot;hope.&quot;   I didn&#039;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#039; account), I&#039;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar - it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#039;t actually the case with BushCo.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly Rob, I&#8217;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#8217;s based on something more than &#8220;hope.&#8221;   I didn&#8217;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#8217; account), I&#8217;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar &#8211; it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#8217;t actually the case with BushCo.)</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &quot;radical Islam.&quot; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#039;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and ``radical Islam.&#039;&#039;
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &quot;neoconservatives&quot; who begged for a global religious war against Islam -- taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam -- will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#8217;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221;<br />
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &#8220;neoconservatives&#8221; who begged for a global religious war against Islam &#8212; taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam &#8212; will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh.  &quot;huge&quot; not &quot;hugh&quot;  among other probable writing errors...</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&quot;  

Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#039;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB -- not having to deal with that motherfookin&#039; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush -- by extension the US &amp; NATO -- as fools.  There&#039;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.  
Begs some questions: namely, what&#039;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#039;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#039;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</description>
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<p>Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#8217;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB &#8212; not having to deal with that motherfookin&#8217; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush &#8212; by extension the US &amp; NATO &#8212; as fools.  There&#8217;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.<br />
Begs some questions: namely, what&#8217;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#8217;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#8217;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Pokey.  Glad that was intended as satire.  Sorry I missed what I guess should have been obvious.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just comparing the two episodes - seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#039;s an impression, but I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#039;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just comparing the two episodes &#8211; seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#8217;s an impression, but I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#8242;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I simply don&#039;t understand this:
&quot;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&quot;
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &quot;lessons learned&quot; in the &#039;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections...

Also, what do you mean by the &quot;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&quot;?

However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#039;s number one enemy - Saddam - and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I simply don&#8217;t understand this:<br />
&#8220;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&#8221;<br />
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &#8220;lessons learned&#8221; in the &#8217;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, what do you mean by the &#8220;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&#8221;?</p>
<p>However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#8217;s number one enemy &#8211; Saddam &#8211; and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Pokey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”

My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.

I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#039;s letter

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”</p>
<p>My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.</p>
<p>I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#8217;s letter</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony of the &quot;Iraq Liberation Act&quot;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#039;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then - but we could have, as the &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat - but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#039;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#039;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan - along with humanitarian considerations - but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#039;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#039;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#039;t do that credibly, it means he&#039;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of the &#8220;Iraq Liberation Act&#8221;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#8217;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then &#8211; but we could have, as the &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat &#8211; but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#8217;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#8217;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan &#8211; along with humanitarian considerations &#8211; but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#8217;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#8217;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#8217;t do that credibly, it means he&#8217;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony of the &quot;Iraq Liberation Act&quot;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#039;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then - but we could have, as the &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat - but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#039;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#039;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan - along with humanitarian considerations - but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#039;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#039;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#039;t do that credibly, it means he&#039;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of the &#8220;Iraq Liberation Act&#8221;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#8217;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then &#8211; but we could have, as the &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat &#8211; but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#8217;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#8217;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan &#8211; along with humanitarian considerations &#8211; but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#8217;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#8217;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#8217;t do that credibly, it means he&#8217;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:
http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malalai Joya is promoting her book.  Next couple speaking events:<br />
<a href="http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851" rel="nofollow">http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851</a></p>
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		<title>By: Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Various links. 11/06/09 &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dicking and dithering in Afghanistan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest stuff:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest stuff:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8296245.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim&#039;s hitting the vodka again.

Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</description>
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<p>Some advice, Mr. R: Log on BEFORE you get smashed. When you pour that seventh drink, shut off the computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who&#039;s side are you own..&quot; is &quot;Who&#039;s side are you on..&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you own..&#8221; is &#8220;Who&#8217;s side are you on..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are also play th perpetrators game...&quot; is &quot;You also play the perpetrators game...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are also play th perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221; is &#8220;You also play the perpetrators game&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&quot;

You&#039;re so diplomatic Rob.

&quot;...public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&quot;

It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#039;war on radical Islam&#039; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?

You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#039;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?

Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so diplomatic Rob.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;public death of the notion that we are at war with radical Islam.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a war on terrorism. You used the term &#8216;war on radical Islam&#8217; BB. But of course it a reasonable and logical substitution, since Islamists are in fact doing most of the terrorism. Are you saying an attack on or mainland did not warrant a war on terrorism? An attack that took more American lives than the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor?</p>
<p>You are also play th perpetrators game of trying to define the conflict as a religious war. How so? Who&#8217;s side are you own? Are you one of those Bush did it truthers, or one of those we deserved it truthers BB?</p>
<p>Or are you just a naive immature basement dweller trolling jihad sites. Stop it. It is dangerous stuff for impressionable and confuse young men trying to find themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last comment was in response to reg @ 7:45 pm, not the gentlemen @ 8:57 pm.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understandable position.

I dunno what Obama&#039;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</description>
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<p>I dunno what Obama&#8217;s going to do either.  Maybe remembering the international support that is available is a good place to start.<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/nov/02/ban-ki-moon-afghanistan-elections</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of Afghanistan, gringos de mierda.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly Rob, I&#039;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#039;s based on something more than &quot;hope.&quot;   I didn&#039;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#039; account), I&#039;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar - it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#039;t actually the case with BushCo.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly Rob, I&#8217;m more agnostic on Afghanistan right now than anything and I just want to be convinced by Obama that whatever he decides, it&#8217;s based on something more than &#8220;hope.&#8221;   I didn&#8217;t understand when the surge was being debated the degree to which Petraeus had an alternative strategy that actually made a lot of sense.  So while I became completely cynical about the Bush White House (who were not even aware of the most successful aspects of the Petraeus strategy, i.e. negotiating with and buying off Sunni warlords, at least according to Tom Ricks&#8217; account), I&#8217;m open to being convinced that somebody involved in this thing knows better than I do. (Talk about a low bar &#8211; it was a pretty hopeless, horrible feeling when I concluded that wasn&#8217;t actually the case with BushCo.)</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &quot;radical Islam.&quot; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#039;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and ``radical Islam.&#039;&#039;
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &quot;neoconservatives&quot; who begged for a global religious war against Islam -- taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam -- will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter, costly and tragic as it may be, there is a silver lining to the current conundrum: the public death of the notion that we are at war with &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221; The situation in Afghanistan is complex and evolving but, at last, it&#8217;s at point where it has become impossible to claim that the war there is between the forces of democracy and &#8220;radical Islam.&#8221;<br />
     Whatever happens in Afghanistan, you can be sure that the moronic &#8220;neoconservatives&#8221; who begged for a global religious war against Islam &#8212; taking it to insane extremes by actively denying the very existence of a non-militant Islam &#8212; will have no role in formulating whatever response there is to the morbid clusterf@ck they worked so hard to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh.  &quot;huge&quot; not &quot;hugh&quot;  among other probable writing errors...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ugh.  &#8220;huge&#8221; not &#8220;hugh&#8221;  among other probable writing errors&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615438</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&quot;  

Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#039;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB -- not having to deal with that motherfookin&#039; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush -- by extension the US &amp; NATO -- as fools.  There&#039;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.  
Begs some questions: namely, what&#039;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#039;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#039;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan – along with humanitarian considerations – but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Well, that is right at the heart of the thing, isn&#8217;t it?  Pakistan.  President Obama has one hugh advantage over GWB &#8212; not having to deal with that motherfookin&#8217; Musharraf.  Musharraf played an 6 year or so game of double-dealing; fronting for the Islamist ISI, which funneled men &amp; material to the Taliban in Afghanistan, while playing Powell, Cheney, Rice, and Bush &#8212; by extension the US &amp; NATO &#8212; as fools.  There&#8217;s a part of this whole theater we hardly see and understand even less.  Right now, the Pakistan military is putting the screws to the Taliban bases in Pakistan.  Some Pakistanis are finding our drones useful.<br />
Begs some questions: namely, what&#8217;s going to be the endgame of the ISI?  Who&#8217;s side are they really on?  AND, how much Saudi $ is going into the Taliban?  Wouldn&#8217;t we love to know the extent of that expenditure?</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Pokey.  Glad that was intended as satire.  Sorry I missed what I guess should have been obvious.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just comparing the two episodes - seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#039;s an impression, but I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#039;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just comparing the two episodes &#8211; seems ironic to me in retrospect, after we blew a shot at helping oust him. And my understanding is that the reason GHWB let the Shiites get trounced and allowed Saddam to fly helicopters (gunships) to put down the uprising was that they were ambivalent about simply eliminating Saddam because he was anti-Iranian.  That&#8217;s an impression, but I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ve read that was a  consideration. It would certainly be consistent with the Reagan-Bush1 policies toward Iraq.  Remember the mealy-mouthed meetings of Bush1&#8242;s ambassador with the Iraqis just prior to the Kuwait invasion ?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615435</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I simply don&#039;t understand this:
&quot;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&quot;
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &quot;lessons learned&quot; in the &#039;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections...

Also, what do you mean by the &quot;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&quot;?

However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#039;s number one enemy - Saddam - and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I simply don&#8217;t understand this:<br />
&#8220;The irony of the “Iraq Liberation Act”, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands&#8221;<br />
The ILA passed in 1998.  Under Clinton. Not GHWB.  I thought passage of ILA was due to &#8220;lessons learned&#8221; in the &#8217;91 uprising and the subsequent delay and dodge tactics of Saddam in re the inspections&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, what do you mean by the &#8220;Iran piece of the puzzle came into play&#8221;?</p>
<p>However, one thing you did say, in fact way-understated, is that while we sacked Iran&#8217;s number one enemy &#8211; Saddam &#8211; and woke up on Sept 12, 2001 with a mutual set of goals with the Iranians regarding Afghanistan, the Bush Administration completely and utterly failed to draw any influence over Tehran.  Criminal incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Pokey</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615434</link>
		<dc:creator>Pokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”

My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.

I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#039;s letter

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Iraq is looking like a complete success”</p>
<p>My satirical point comparing the US dead in IRAQ (137) to US dead in Afghanistan (455) this year was obviously lost on Reg.</p>
<p>I assume everyone has read Matthew Hoh&#8217;s letter</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/ResignationLetter.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615433</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony of the &quot;Iraq Liberation Act&quot;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#039;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then - but we could have, as the &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat - but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#039;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#039;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan - along with humanitarian considerations - but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#039;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#039;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#039;t do that credibly, it means he&#039;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of the &#8220;Iraq Liberation Act&#8221;, of course, is that when the Shiites DID rise up Bush 1 sat on his hands. I don&#8217;t think we should have gone in with ground forces even then &#8211; but we could have, as the &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; goes, given the uprising air cover since we were right at the border with a huge military presence.  In this case, I think the conventional wisdom was right. But, of course, at that point the Iran piece of the puzzle came into play. I agree that Iran is hyped as a threat &#8211; but it just seems nuts to me that with one hand we&#8217;ve been shaking a fist at them and with the other, we eliminated their worst local enemy.  Saddam was the bad guy in that equation, but the whole business seems remarkably incoherent and bizarre.  I think both Ahmedinijad and bin Laden are quite happy that we ventured into Iraq.  I&#8217;m not against nation-building in Afghanistan, given the border situation and the volatility of Pakistan &#8211; along with humanitarian considerations &#8211; but I have little-to-no confidence that it can actually be done.  If Obama goes in deeper, he&#8217;s really going to have to sell this thing to me.  I&#8217;m willing ot listen.  But if he can&#8217;t do that credibly, it means he&#8217;s making a big mistake, playing politics and just crossing his fingers like W.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/dithering-and-dicking/comment-page-1/#comment-615432</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good response reg.  However, the one basic problem about Iraq, Clinton, and the US Senate having passed the Iraq Liberation Act, imo, is that it did line the US up for a confrontation with Saddam at some point.  When should that confrontation have occurred?  How should that confrontation have been carried out other than by military force?  I don&#039;t know.  But it is done now.  We&#039;re not going to kick that can down any street. I&#039;ll simply agree with President Obama when he says the Iraqi people are far better off now than they were under Saddam.  Even if this means, yes, the Shiite dominion of the gulf region.  I&#039;ll say Shiite, not Iranian. Shiite &#039;hegemony&#039; I think can be tolerated, massaged.   I&#039;m not convinced Iran is the terrible juggernaut it&#039;s made out to be.  (I&#039;m claiming a mulligan - to be carried later - because I haven&#039;t had a chance to read Mr. Ricks&#039; last two books)

However, I have read pretty widely of Ahmed Rashid now.  I agree with him that Obama has dithered a bit on Afghanistan  -  a criticism one earns from Rashid, and ignores from Cheney.  Rashid also says that Afghanistan is finally in &quot;year one&quot; because of the election of Obama. Eight years after we originally chased out the Taliban, the US is finally trying to put up a comprehensive strategy to help stand up perhaps a minimalist-nation-state that could actually cohere.  (Personally, I&#039;d say in for penny, in for pound -- call it nation building and get on with it)  So perhaps we do have to give the President some space to actually get this right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good response reg.  However, the one basic problem about Iraq, Clinton, and the US Senate having passed the Iraq Liberation Act, imo, is that it did line the US up for a confrontation with Saddam at some point.  When should that confrontation have occurred?  How should that confrontation have been carried out other than by military force?  I don&#8217;t know.  But it is done now.  We&#8217;re not going to kick that can down any street. I&#8217;ll simply agree with President Obama when he says the Iraqi people are far better off now than they were under Saddam.  Even if this means, yes, the Shiite dominion of the gulf region.  I&#8217;ll say Shiite, not Iranian. Shiite &#8216;hegemony&#8217; I think can be tolerated, massaged.   I&#8217;m not convinced Iran is the terrible juggernaut it&#8217;s made out to be.  (I&#8217;m claiming a mulligan &#8211; to be carried later &#8211; because I haven&#8217;t had a chance to read Mr. Ricks&#8217; last two books)</p>
<p>However, I have read pretty widely of Ahmed Rashid now.  I agree with him that Obama has dithered a bit on Afghanistan  &#8211;  a criticism one earns from Rashid, and ignores from Cheney.  Rashid also says that Afghanistan is finally in &#8220;year one&#8221; because of the election of Obama. Eight years after we originally chased out the Taliban, the US is finally trying to put up a comprehensive strategy to help stand up perhaps a minimalist-nation-state that could actually cohere.  (Personally, I&#8217;d say in for penny, in for pound &#8212; call it nation building and get on with it)  So perhaps we do have to give the President some space to actually get this right.</p>
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