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If there were no Occupy movement at the moment (and there might not be), how many liberals and lefties would feel OK about right-to-lifers and gun-rights people occupying the campaign offices of Democratic candidates.
This is a moment in history when Republicans are undertaking an unprecedented effort to block voter participation and discourage civic activism. The last thing we need right now is to have folks from Occupy aiding their cause by clogging up campaign offices. Bad, bad idea.
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December 29th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
It’s time to occupy some bars.
December 29th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
This strategy is about as dismally stupid as the attempt to block ports on the west coast-a tactic that had no real target (oh wait, it was consumerism, and…capitalism), and had the very bad side effect of hurting normal blue-collar working people, or at least annoying them. That ports stunt turned way more people off than it did anything else.
Part of the problem, I think, is that this movement has developed a serious allergy to any kind of leadership. One of its early organizers is David Graeber (who has a hot book out at the moment called Debt, which is hugely interesting, if a little amorphous). Graeber is a committed anarchist and sincerely believes that these movements can be organized with consensus decision making. That, doesn’t scale.
Thus, as far as I can tell, no one is in charge of messaging, or picking targets, or general strategy, because everyone is. We’re left with pretty infantile things like this campaign nonsense.
I have heard talk of a large-scale student debt boycott, where students refuse to pay debts as a direct action in the spring. This actually has some promise. But whatever the case, and maybe it’s just because it’s winter, the Occupy movement seems moribund. Each day there are, two (yes, 2) people at Zuccoti park when I go by there in the morning. The park minders and the police outnumber them by a considerable margin.
Graeber is trying to push for alternative ways of organizing our groups, and he commendably uses his research in anthropology to point out all kinds of possible ways this can be done. But I’m not convinced that a movement of this kind, up against the odds that it is against, can operate as a horizontal group that requires consensus, especially if it wants to be a national movement of some kind.
Fwiw, in my view they should have one target, and that is getting the money out of our politics. Lawrence Lessig’s recent book Republic Lost makes this case extremely well. Anything else the left tries to do, or even manages to do, is just a bit of tape over a much huger problem. And this goal crosses party lines. The corruption of Congress, the legal bribery that every single person knows about and detests, is the issue that could unite people across party lines, and maybe, just maybe, lead to genuine reform in the next couple of years.
December 30th, 2011 at 8:55 am
Occupy the Rose Parade? I think Sergio is right.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-occupy-rose-parade-20111230,0,7810363.story
December 30th, 2011 at 9:21 am
Fwiw, in my view they should have one target, and that is getting the money out of our politics.
And one of the first steps should be to require broadcasters to provide free air time for political advertisements, up to a certain amount per day and provided the candidate meets certain polling threshholds.
The public owns the airwaves, not the broadcasters.
December 30th, 2011 at 10:53 am
Oakland Occupy and others have – in part – begin anti-foreclosure “occupation” which I think is something that has real resonance, given that nearly a quarter of mortgage “owners” are underwater and the foreclosure crisis is only about mid-way through. There’s also the real possibility of making foreclosures more trouble than they’re worth for banks that are, in fact, sensitive to their PR image in current troubled times and given their well-known role in destroying the economy in 2008, thus actually helping families get manageable terms to stay in their homes.
The day of the big port “shutdown” I was coming home on BART about the time a second wave of demonstrators began marching to the port. I asked a few bystanders why the port was being shut down, just to take the “temperature” of the demo in a neighborhood that is among the poorest in Oakland. The response was pretty much that nobody had a clue. The enthusiastic demonstrators, high on protest, passed through the area without offering much in the way of “why” even to the folks who stood along their route. The leaflet had less substance than the handouts from the Jehovah’s Witnesses who normally populate the BART station. Agree fully with Dan O on this one. But I think a shift to anti-foreclosure actions would be easy for average folks – among a wide array of income groups that make up the “99%” – to understand and to generate sympathy. Even a lot of folks who figured themselves to be relatively well off fear the burden of carrying mortgages for more than their homes are worth on the market, even if they can stretch and make the payment without cutting out grocery money.
December 30th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
Yup. Home foreclosures is, imho, a perfect ‘branch-off’ of direction for Occupy. Should be mutually educating for both activist/organizers and the greater public, so many of whom are struggling to make mortgage payments. We’ve seen a few promising beginning efforts on this front in LA county — including trying to disrupt auctions held on the county steps.
December 30th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
Following behind the Rose Parade with the sweepers is nothing new. The Tony Alamo crowd and the Lyndon Laroushies have been doing it for years. There is some real embarrassment potential here.
December 31st, 2011 at 9:34 am
Marc is a little short sighted.
Occupy keeps conservatives motivated. Occupiers alienation feeds conservatives. This is good for the business toward removing Obama. Keep up the good works—Occupy more.
December 31st, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Shawn – suck on this:
“According to a recent New York Times/CBS survey, tea party members are less popular than atheists, Muslims, Republicans, Democrats, and 21 other groups. The movement has lost 20 percent of its supporters and gained 40 percent more opponents, according to the poll. Another NYT/CBS poll published earlier this month revealed that the tea party’s unfavorable rating had increased 29 percent since April.
“According to the Times, the tea party is catching up to the Christian Right’s low popularity. Times writers David E. Campbell and Robert D. Putnam present possible justifications for this, stating that the tea party’s mixing of politics and religion simply doesn’t appeal to the majority of Americans. Citing Texas Governor Rick Perry’s prayer rally and Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann’s “lengthy prayers at campaign stops,” the story claims pro-tea party folks are becoming “increasingly out of step with most Americans, even many Republicans.” ”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/18/poll-tea-party-less-popular-than-muslims-atheists/#ixzz1i9xeQwhA
December 31st, 2011 at 4:46 pm
Sudden appearance of Oakland based Bruce alongside the vanishing of mainstay (i like the bugger) Reg got my thinking.
December 31st, 2011 at 9:58 pm
Occupy LA is a depressing horde. They make the Mumia types that were around in the anti-globalization movement look sane. Lots of New Age and anti-rationalist ideas floating around. Like 2012 Mayan calendar kind of determinism. I hear a lot of “we are one” and “Occupy is love” kind of crap.
The port action was absurd. They basically did PR work for the Teamsters. Not many environmental, public health, or community activists are running around defending diesel trucks. In fact, in order to help reduce emissions and improve public health, trucks will have to be phased out. The dummies in Occupy didn’t even bother to do outreach. N17 was PR for the SEIU. At both events, union folks were not taking risks or getting arrested let alone even present. They are dupes. It was really planned by a bunch of Teachers Union militants who are fairly clueless. A few of them are like lifelong failed LA area activists. KPFK types. Success didn’t matter, just 300 of them in the rain was a success.
Instead the LA County Federation of Labor was working with the 1%: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-panama-canal-20111229,0,5890091.story
The movement ritualized and sentimentalizes movements of the past. Lots of Ghandi and MLK, very little mention or recognition of some thinkers or activists that are more prescient to understanding neoloberalism. They all seem to find some badge of honor in getting arrested, like getting pulled out of a park is akin to a lunch counter. Basically, the core of the movement is really anti-intellectual, it is more of a populist impulse and movement. It lacks depth.
The problem with the affinity group structure is it is designed for small groups, like 20. Thus it does not fit a large movement. They all seem to confuse protest and direct action and as Marc pointed out, strategies and tactics.
It is really over before it started. It points to the piss poor ass condition of the left at the moment. For me it is tragic that so much is ignored. The academy has produced lots of irrelevant nonsense but lots of important scholarship on global capitalism. The disconnect between Occupy and the intellectual left, let alone some valuable established activists is tragic. It is a reflection of the narcissism and anti-intellectualism in our culture, the unlearned gaggle don’t think they need to know what they are talking about.
December 31st, 2011 at 10:01 pm
I should also note that the uncritical praise in the left media is a disgrace. Many will regret it in due time.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:27 am
I have a lot of reservations about Occupy and it’s ability to get past inchoate protest and actions that have dubious significance, but I don’t think that “intellectualism” is the key to anything moving forward. The problem with the left in this country has always been most acute when it looked to left theorists and got disconnected from the culture. Which is why MLK – a Christian minister who promoted the extension of the most basic democratic ideals, immersed in an overtly Judeo-Christian ethical appeal – was the most successful and resonant radical in my lifetime. Populism itself is problematic and doesn’t have any particular political content in the sense of “left” or “right”, but any movement that shuns populism for “intellectualism” in the United states is doomed. It may not be pretty, but the facts on the ground are that a left rooted a worldview that disdainfully distances itself from “the unlearned gaggle” might just as well spend its time masturbating. And FWIW, I don’t think Occupy has surmounted this fundamental problem. The esoteric aspects may not be particularly “intellectual”, but some of it does – as you suggest – seem insular. That’s a real problem.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:34 am
And as clarification, I’m not arguing against leaders who have intellectual substance – MLK had intellectual substance. But his position in society or as a movement strategist wasn’t from the perspective of “intellectualism.” He was immersed in “the unlearned gaggle.”
January 1st, 2012 at 8:35 pm
So scratch intellectual depth? Man o man. Well, you have had your way anyway. Occupy LA is big into the 2012 Mayan Calender nonsense. Is that what you had in mind?
We need to understand the forces at work right now. Global capitalism is complex and one can understand that or climate change without digging into the books.
MLK had tremendous intellectual depth. Not sure why Occupy folks keep bringing him or Ghandi up so much. We are not in a anti-colonial or civil right struggle. The inability to understand and contextualize our current epoch and instead spout populist illusions is what is deluding Occupy.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:53 pm
I didn’t say scratch “intellectual depth.” But the “intellectual left” isn’t the key to political success.
“Occupy LA is big into the 2012 Mayan Calender nonsense.” I have no idea what you’re talking about.
The Occupy movement – for all of it’s flaws and “populist illusions” has reawakened a moribund activism against income inequality and plutocracy. This is a fact that all of the muttering about “contextualizing our current epoch” doesn’t erase. The most fundamental “context” of the past three years since the financial crisis broke wide open is that all of the populist protest came from the right. Occupy changed that. It’s an opening. Of course we need much more – and of course we need strategies that are informed and relevant. Where MLK comes into the picture is that no one could have predicted that what appeared to be an obscure protest movement – including civil disobedience – would grow and gain resonance at the moment it did. Where the deeper legacy of MLK comes into the picture – at least for me – is that he was able to distill a potent message and appeal for justice from familiar elements of the culture. Meanwhile “leftist intellectuals” were isolated, esoteric and had little connection to the “unlearned gaggle” who populate huge swaths of our politics. The “gaggle” -at the least – need to be divided from the appeals of right populists who don’t share your tender scruples.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Take a look at the insanity Occupy LA posts. Everything from tin foil hat Alex Jones top guest Max Keiser to 2012 documentaries. Lots of New Age stuff about consciousness raising and praising of all the irrelevant heroes like Ceaser Chavez (not a guy to celebrate) or Ghandi. Also some Gold Standard things creep in and a good dose of paranoid apocalyptica. I have seen some stuff about a bartering economy being the future. Generally a host of extinct or premodern ideas in a moment of hyper modernity. Even though I share the same frustrations as them, I do not want any of them in decision making positions that will affect my life. Occupy could be unique, but this silly “Occupy is Love” stuff is silly. I am not talking about putting college professors in leadership positions, I am talking about the movement being grounded in a sophisticated understanding of what is going down. Not a bunch of populist anti-intellectual blabber that will only turn people off. It actually HAS, the numbers for Occupy LA are TINY. Like the Tea Party the media is hyping this movement, it is a good story. The left media have long been desperate for a movement, any movement.
The Tea Party has proven to be a much more potent movement than Occupy. that is the biggest flaw of Occupy and proof of the harm of the anti-intellectual culture of the movement. Like most leftish pulses, Occupy thinks it matters more than it does in the real world. Lots of hype about “making history,” but it ain’t happening. The Koch brothers are laughing this off. Today Occupy had a few hundred out at the Rose Bowl in a region of 17 million. That is not a movement, that is a sect. To top it off, they surely annoyed the crowd who wanted to watch a frigging parade and forget about the shitty banking system. Oh, but Cindy Sheehan spoke.
You can spin it however you want but MLK has no relevance to the current dilemma that has more to do with the character of late capitalism more so than notions of distributive justice.
Occupy also is not all that leftish. It is really a middle class Democratic Party thing. They simply want to restore consumer society and nostalgia for perceived equality resulting from New Deal liberalism. The Tea Party is nostalgic for a different vision from the past. Neither are really looking at the present or thinking about the future. That is where the books come in.
The Civil Rights movement didn’t “come out of nowhere” either. It really can’t be compared to Occupy on any level. It might make sense to live in this world and think about how you build a movement in a very different time.
Occupy was a burst of frustration, not a movement. We need a movement that can respond to the magnitude of the challenges we are facing, we don’t have that.
January 2nd, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Who said the civil rights movement “came out of nowhere”?
You do a good job of creating straw men and putting words in people’s mouths. But vperhaps you might add a word or two about just how you intend to ignite that nonexistent movement “we need.” This entire commentary strikes me as more about resentments and wishful thinking than reality. Yes, it does indeed make sense to live in this world. No movement will ever conform to a set of preconceived specifications. Occupy is far from perfect. I don’t know what’s going on in LA, but if they are dragging Cindy Sheehan back into the limelight or tagging after the Rose Bowl parade, of course it’s stupid. But that’s not the whole story of Occupy across the country – IMHO they are a catalyst that has opened up activist opportunities and energy that didn’t exist four months ago. It’s not a sect – it’s spontaneous and diverse outbursts of protest that reflect various views. My own impulse isn’t to just trash them but to engage and build on some of that energy.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Yeah, Ghost you’re being way too hard on the movement. I have plenty of complaints about it, but I also don’t expect any movement to conform with perfect fidelity to my views or my preferred strategies. That’s just narcissistic.
You’re not making that precise argument, but you’re not far off. It’s hardly anti-intellectual–that’s the tea party. There are people that ar poorly informed, but the fact that they didn’t read the The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Napoleon, or even The Secrets of the Temple for that matter, does not make them anti-intellectual.
I’ve never seen a mass movement that didn’t have its share of idiocy and cringey moments. I watched the Oakland eviction and there was a woman chanting some asinine nonsense. It was embarrassing. So what? I think Occupy could use some more leadership, and some media training, but, come on.
This is dirty, chaotic, and loose. People who feel angst, but don’t know shit are going to join. It may make you wince, but it’s never going to happen that all of them know what a collaterilzed debt obligation is or where Henry Paulson used to work. It seems like you want a lot of Paul Krugman’s down on the front lines ready to dig into the arcana of mortgages and marginal tax rates. I’d love to have a lot of well-informed, witty, and charismatic people being interviewed, but I think you’re dreaming about the odds of this happening. Ever. Under any circumstances.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:54 pm
I’ll add to Dan O’s comments that one of the most interesting books I’ve read (partly – I’m just half-way through it) in recent months is “Debt – The First 5000 Years” by anthropologist David Graeber, a self-described anarchist (whatever the hell that means) and one of the “intellectuals” associated with the Occupy movement. It’s a welcome antidote to a lot of the bullshit purveyed as “macro-economic theory” – actually ties he evolution of economics to politics, society and history in a way that most “mainstream” economists seem impervious to.
I don’t know that this makes “Occupy” some citadel of intellectualism – or that that’s important – but I don’t think it’s simply a gaggle of idiots.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:38 pm
When Occupy folks yell, “the whole world is watching,” that is try for them as well. The whole world is watching, and reading, and attempting to understand what Occupy wants. Spin it all you want. If it is only a moment of release and therapy, that is fine. That is useful. Occupy does NOT have to be a social movement, it isn’t.
Take a look at some of the Anon and Occupy you tube clips. A minority of them are lucid. Many are embarrassing.
The anti-globalization movement had the Mumia nuts and the Black Bloc. But it was largely focused on specific policies, namely trade agreements. The difference between that movement and Occupy. Occupiers are many times the narcissists. They are the ones that universalize their lifestyles. An extreme minority of the general public enjoy drum circles. Putting some of the insanity aside would help build something. But they can’t, they are lifestylers.
I was at a GA when a Medical Marijuana clinic owner was complaining that government meddling was a violation of his free speech. One minute they claim to want to end statism, the next bring up the constitution.
My final straw was trying to explain to some of them that local governments had the constitutional right to creating zoning rules. It has been tested for almost 100 years. They all keep crowing about free speech. It is fine to want to challenge zoning, but at least take 25 mins to understand it. The port action was the same thoughtless action. None of the clowns took into account how warehouse workers would feel about it. In LA they make up a good majority of the 600K logistics workers, more than the truckers. That is what I mean by anti-intellectualism. They focus on creating media spectacle but never seem to take the reception part of it into account.
Should I go easier cause I agree with them in principle? I think not. The left has been on a long losing streak, I would like to see a sea change. Occupy squandered what it had going.
I like Graeber, that book, and some of his past work. But they interviewed the librarian folks at Occupy Wall Street about “Debt” and found that very few had checked it out, “according to Mandy Henk, a librarian from Indiana minding the library that has sprung up in Zuccotti Park, copies of his work there aren’t seeing a lot of use.” http://mobile.businessweek.com/magazine/david-graeber-the-antileader-of-occupy-wall-street-10262011.html
Intellectuals have TRIED to engage the movement, it is more of a reflection of the anti-intellectualism of populist movements: http://chronicle.com/article/Intellectual-Roots-of-Wall/129428/
It is like drinking at the bar in Iceman Cometh, illusions are easier to the truth. Krugman is not like learning Sandskrit, it is easy to understand. Most Occupiers would rather NOT learn and instead like it easy. That is my gripe. It is reactionary and reactionaries have elastic beliefs. That is why they lack a real commitment to understanding things, the movement is therapy so yelling “this is what democracy looks like” provides relief. Real social movements require depth and commitment.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Also. The celebrity worship, namely Russell Simmons and Steve Jobs is also an embarrassment. It is like you can be a vile 1%er as long as you discovered RUN DMC or had strong product design skills.
January 4th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
I share a lot of your criticisms.
I don’t look to the Occupy movement as it exists for the “answer.” What I do give them credit for is revitalizing the idea of activism and bringing “the 1%” meme into focus.
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