Comments on: Dorothy Ray Healey R.I.P.

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By: redwood2004@sbcglobal.net

redwood2004@sbcglobal.net — Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:33:57 +0000

Very sad news. But what a full – active – intellectually aware life she led. We should all try to do the same.
I knew Dorothy quite well during the early 70′s in LA. I lived in South Central and was politically active.
Dorothy was one of the most honest intellectuals I ever met. And she was also a wonderful – kind person.
A great American has passed.
Michael J.

By: BawbTheRevelator

BawbTheRevelator — Mon, 14 Aug 2006 00:59:43 +0000

Like Suzi W – I’m sorry for Dorothy’s loss. Met her in 1948 (I was 9) at a ‘PEOPLE’S WORLD’ fund-raiser hosted by my all-time fave ‘Aunt.’ Rose Rosenberg was one of 24 attornies the ABA tried to disbar for CPUSA membership. The Supremes upheld Rose et al unanimously. Amazing: Supremes who read the Law!

Rose quit anyway after Hungary, 1956, but never lost touch with her friend, Dorothy nor the same earthy, sensible touch. Nor hopefully I per identical proportions – then as now – of Radical Chic airheads.

Thanks for the tribute. Last one outta here please turn the lights off?

Dorothy

By: Grumpy Old Man

Grumpy Old Man — Sun, 13 Aug 2006 06:16:07 +0000

“Thread.” Where’s my copy editor when I need him?

By: Grumpy Old Man

Grumpy Old Man — Sun, 13 Aug 2006 06:15:09 +0000

If anyone's still looking at this threat, an interesting comment by Marc and my response may be found here. Thanks, Marc, for your thoughts.

By: reg

reg — Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:12:25 +0000

This is weird…I happened to check back on the threads yesterday using Safari rather than Firefox and a long comment I made at 8/9 9:09 doesn’t show up. Since it was a prime example of blowhardism, it’s not a big deal, but it’ an odd anomaly, because when I checked Marc’s threads on Firefox this morning it’s still there. This kind of thing never happened back when I was using a typewriter.

By: Suzi W

Suzi W — Fri, 11 Aug 2006 05:42:59 +0000

Nicely done, Marc, and in the tradition I respect of never speaking ill of the departed.
Dorothy was a singular figure of a generation now nearly gone and we could use her spirit, sense of irony and wit — and her intellectual prowess. But let us not forget that she was born into the Communist Party and imbibed its methods even as she later became critical of them. You know as well as I do that those methods were on full display in our ‘historic’ battle at Pacifica in the early 80′s. Dorothy once told me that ‘Stalinism was in her blood’ and that I should call her on it when she behaved in a Stalinist fashion. (and lest your readers miss this, I am not speaking literally, but in the sense of a top-down bureaucratic mind-set that attacks its left flank almost instinctively). Nonetheless in subsequent battles Dorothy was on the bright side — and it was always possible to maintain discussion and even friendship.

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By: reg

reg — Wed, 09 Aug 2006 23:37:44 +0000

“Some (including J. Edgar Hoover) that without the CPUSA there would have been no Martin Luther King”

Uh…which side are you on ????

Sidney Lens, and Shirley, were good people. Tireless… But it’s something of a testament to the bizarre pathologies of the old “ML” left that Sidney and Dorothy would have percieved each other as deadly political enemies back in their prime. The post-sectarian formation of a group like DSA could bring them together – along with my personal hero Michael Harrington, who also survived a sectarian streak that made him less effective at critical moments than he might have been. But that was awfully late in the game and a lot of damage to the core cadre of the social movements had been done, much of which was replicated in the ’60s on the more farcical level. I will say that there was something about having survived those classic ideological brawls that must have sharpened many of these folks rhetorical skills, their ability to focus their intellects and lent them a certain charisma. On the down side, I’m afraid only the most tenacious survived with their idealism intact.

By: NeoDude

NeoDude — Wed, 09 Aug 2006 22:20:22 +0000

I heard her speak at Ben Stein’s[?] house when I was active in the DSA.

The “Old Guard” always found the money to get us young radicals an education.

God Bless.

By: Michael Crosby

Michael Crosby — Wed, 09 Aug 2006 21:24:05 +0000

Some (including J. Edgar Hoover) that without the CPUSA there would have been no Martin Luther King, or at least not a great national leader of that name. Whether that is true is a matter of speculation, but the point here is that the Party kept the peace and justice agenda alive at times when it was most unpopular to do so. It is very difficult for people who have looked to an organization–a group of fellow activists–for focus and fellowship for a long period to let go of it, much less to publically criticize it.

Your description, Marc, brings to mind Sidney Lens, a guy from Chicago who brought the struggles of the 30s to life for a lot of young eastern and midwestern kids, and accorded us respect as well.

There is much great literature about the issues confronting Party loyalists in the 50s. My favorite is Doris Lessing’s The Golden Notebook, which is “known” for its proto-feminism, but is also contains very true-sounding descriptions of the feelings and behaviors of those whose minds understood the crimes and foolishness engendered by communists, “Stalinists,” but whose hearts were still invested in “Party work” and the relationships created.

It is good that your friend Dorothy has left her memories and lessons with you, and you share them with…and so on and so on.

By: richard Locicero

richard Locicero — Wed, 09 Aug 2006 21:16:54 +0000

I remember listening to Dorothy on KPFK and recall a calm, sane, and humorous voice for left wing causes. She was never an ideologue and I found her as far from being a Stanalist as anyone in the CPUSA could be. She deserves better than the trashing some want to give her.

By: Woody

Woody — Wed, 09 Aug 2006 20:12:12 +0000

Sorry for the loss of your friend, Marc.

A quick read tells me that she had good intentions but that some of her chosen vehicles to deliver the goods were defective. She learned a lesson.

Why can’t others today learn the same lesson? Why will people sacrifice their freedoms for security? They want government and “the rich” to pay for everything and solve all problems–even if solutions, which typically fail, come with a bayonet in your face.

By: GM

GM — Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:02:56 +0000

Frydek-Mistek, I was using a little hyperbole… you are right, I was a lad of 10 living in Stuttgart at the time of the Hungarian Uprising. Our family’s bags were packed and we really thought it might lead to war between the Warsaw Pact and Nato and we were ready to be evacuated at any time. I also remember my dad coming home late every night for days on end, and once I got up to get a drink of water. Dad had fallen asleep at the table and there was at least one (maybe two) photographs that caught my eye at the time… They were black and white but I remember gasping out, throwing up and Dad waking up, carrying me back to bed and staying with me for a couple of hours till I fell asleep again with dreams haunted by the pictures of the slaughter of the Hungarians. I can still see those pictures in my minds eye 50 years later.

Intended “good” indeed!!!! BULL SHIT!!!!

Jcummings, may I suggest you look up Kulaks, Yekatrinburg, Katyn Forest, Gulag, building the Trans-Siberian Rail Road, and lastly, Walter Duranty.

By: Frydek-Mistek

Frydek-Mistek — Wed, 09 Aug 2006 18:18:03 +0000

GM,
I have the same questions you have (and to be completely honest, the the 68 Warsaw pact invasion of CS was a lot less bloody than the 56 invasion of Hungary).
Frydek-Mistek