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		<title>By: Butalbital</title>
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		<dc:creator>Butalbital</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 07:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The papers are thin. He knows how to make money on a 112-page paper perfectly well - it’s the 224-page papers he has problems with. His virtues, if you can call them that, are strict enforcement of the line between advertising and editorial, and a sort of old-fashioned doggedness that as Marc suggests was probably useful in the crony-ridden precincts of Phoenix 30 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The papers are thin. He knows how to make money on a 112-page paper perfectly well &#8211; it’s the 224-page papers he has problems with. His virtues, if you can call them that, are strict enforcement of the line between advertising and editorial, and a sort of old-fashioned doggedness that as Marc suggests was probably useful in the crony-ridden precincts of Phoenix 30 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 02:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...although the whole discussion is very inside baseball, and I haven&#039;t been a part of MSM print for over 15 years, I would say that the Weekly still beats the Times to hell, and the Times, for a major city daily, is a truly embarrassing, right-wing, low-hanging fruit, institutional-coverage paper. The Times couldn&#039;t get out in front of an issue, if someone dragged a reporter to the right place, and forced her to stay there. You can&#039;t say those things about the Weekly, last year or now. I&#039;m grateful someone rides City Hall&#039;s ass, however gently, because the Times has failed to do so for years.  The state and DC coverage is awful, TV-imitative and ghastly, but it&#039;s what i would expect from a straight, white-guy, type-place.

Journalism (or perhaps just &#039;the media business&#039; - remains toxic - left, right or center - which is why I&#039;ve left. I hope someone is left to cover all this stuff, meantime, inside baseball - and out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;although the whole discussion is very inside baseball, and I haven&#8217;t been a part of MSM print for over 15 years, I would say that the Weekly still beats the Times to hell, and the Times, for a major city daily, is a truly embarrassing, right-wing, low-hanging fruit, institutional-coverage paper. The Times couldn&#8217;t get out in front of an issue, if someone dragged a reporter to the right place, and forced her to stay there. You can&#8217;t say those things about the Weekly, last year or now. I&#8217;m grateful someone rides City Hall&#8217;s ass, however gently, because the Times has failed to do so for years.  The state and DC coverage is awful, TV-imitative and ghastly, but it&#8217;s what i would expect from a straight, white-guy, type-place.</p>
<p>Journalism (or perhaps just &#8216;the media business&#8217; &#8211; remains toxic &#8211; left, right or center &#8211; which is why I&#8217;ve left. I hope someone is left to cover all this stuff, meantime, inside baseball &#8211; and out.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekender: Weekly Weakly Stated</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekender: Weekly Weakly Stated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] chattering set off by my autopsy and post-mortems (plural) on L.A. Weekly continued to click away this past [...]</description>
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		<title>By: WitnessLA.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Media Propaganda: L.A. CityBeat vs. L.A. Weekly*</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/final-wrap-up-on-la-weekly/comment-page-1/#comment-604584</link>
		<dc:creator>WitnessLA.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Media Propaganda: L.A. CityBeat vs. L.A. Weekly*</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] All of this is more important than righting a few wrongs. But really, it should have said that L.A. Weekly&#8217;s star investigative reporter Jeff Anderson left the paper voluntarily in 2007. And if CityBeat wants to blast the L.A. Weekly [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] All of this is more important than righting a few wrongs. But really, it should have said that L.A. Weekly&#8217;s star investigative reporter Jeff Anderson left the paper voluntarily in 2007. And if CityBeat wants to blast the L.A. Weekly [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Barbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A PhD and 20 years of no one caring about a thing she writes.</description>
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		<title>By: Samuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OC Weekly stinks.  LA Weekly stinks.  It&#039;s not a tough conclusion to draw.  I realized it in the beginning of &#039;06, and was sad to see it happen, for all the reasons Marc covers so well in this and the previous posts.  Thankfully it&#039;s not, say, 1990, and we have the Internet for alternate sources of good copy (if you hunt hard enough).  R.I.P., Weeklies--natural selection has weeded you out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OC Weekly stinks.  LA Weekly stinks.  It&#8217;s not a tough conclusion to draw.  I realized it in the beginning of &#8216;06, and was sad to see it happen, for all the reasons Marc covers so well in this and the previous posts.  Thankfully it&#8217;s not, say, 1990, and we have the Internet for alternate sources of good copy (if you hunt hard enough).  R.I.P., Weeklies&#8211;natural selection has weeded you out.</p>
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		<title>By: Tricia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;His virtues, if you can call them that, are strict enforcement of the line between advertising and editorial, and a sort of old-fashioned doggedness that as Marc suggests was probably useful in the crony-ridden precincts of Phoenix 30 years ago.&quot;

I will actually agree with you there. Lacey went to bat for me when our publisher was trying to get me to meet with advertisers from nightclubs and online record companies, gently suggesting I should do stories on them. This was less than a week after the takeover, and I mentioned it to him, and he was infuriated. I have respect for Lacey in that area at the very least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;His virtues, if you can call them that, are strict enforcement of the line between advertising and editorial, and a sort of old-fashioned doggedness that as Marc suggests was probably useful in the crony-ridden precincts of Phoenix 30 years ago.&#8221;</p>
<p>I will actually agree with you there. Lacey went to bat for me when our publisher was trying to get me to meet with advertisers from nightclubs and online record companies, gently suggesting I should do stories on them. This was less than a week after the takeover, and I mentioned it to him, and he was infuriated. I have respect for Lacey in that area at the very least.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam - &quot;I checked out Zuma Dog’s website. He may in fact be the most irritating human being on the face of the earth.&quot;

I had the &quot;pleasure&quot; of riding in an elevator at City Hall with Zuma Dogg the morning after the primary last year.  He felt the need to say to us in the car that &quot;you probably saw me on KCAL&#039;s political coverage last night...&quot; and boasted about the ratings they got.  Clearly desperate for attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam &#8211; &#8220;I checked out Zuma Dog’s website. He may in fact be the most irritating human being on the face of the earth.&#8221;</p>
<p>I had the &#8220;pleasure&#8221; of riding in an elevator at City Hall with Zuma Dogg the morning after the primary last year.  He felt the need to say to us in the car that &#8220;you probably saw me on KCAL&#8217;s political coverage last night&#8230;&#8221; and boasted about the ratings they got.  Clearly desperate for attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Kane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Kane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shawnee: January page counts at alt-weeklies are always down right after the holidays. OC Weekly&#039;s latest ish ran at 56 pages, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shawnee: January page counts at alt-weeklies are always down right after the holidays. OC Weekly&#8217;s latest ish ran at 56 pages, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawnee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawnee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fully endorse what Ask Another Gringo says. Gustavo&#039;s explanation&#039;s that he reserves public comment on the direction of his own newspaper chain &quot;for personal reasons&quot; rather than for practical ones just doesn&#039;t pass the smell test.

No one is going to give him a bad time if he were to say something like: I work there so I&#039;m staying out of it. Case closed.

On the other hand, courageous journalism is all about taking risks. Hearing a statement of solidarity with all those who have been shaved from the New Times staff in the last few months from someone with the stature of Gustavo would be extremely important. Beating his chest about how great the coverage is of his own paper while the rest of the chain&#039;s writers are marched off the cliff isn&#039;t very convincing either.

By the way, I saw this week&#039;s L.A. Weekly yesterday. Perused it in about 5 seconds and noticed the page count was down 104. Isn&#039;t that like a recent record for the paper? Someone inside, do tell.  It&#039;s almost as small nowadays as Gustavo&#039;s beloved OC Weekly, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fully endorse what Ask Another Gringo says. Gustavo&#8217;s explanation&#8217;s that he reserves public comment on the direction of his own newspaper chain &#8220;for personal reasons&#8221; rather than for practical ones just doesn&#8217;t pass the smell test.</p>
<p>No one is going to give him a bad time if he were to say something like: I work there so I&#8217;m staying out of it. Case closed.</p>
<p>On the other hand, courageous journalism is all about taking risks. Hearing a statement of solidarity with all those who have been shaved from the New Times staff in the last few months from someone with the stature of Gustavo would be extremely important. Beating his chest about how great the coverage is of his own paper while the rest of the chain&#8217;s writers are marched off the cliff isn&#8217;t very convincing either.</p>
<p>By the way, I saw this week&#8217;s L.A. Weekly yesterday. Perused it in about 5 seconds and noticed the page count was down 104. Isn&#8217;t that like a recent record for the paper? Someone inside, do tell.  It&#8217;s almost as small nowadays as Gustavo&#8217;s beloved OC Weekly, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Ask Another Pinche Gringo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ask Another Pinche Gringo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc can answer Gustavo Arellano on his own. But I, for one, remain suspicious of Gustavo&#039;s relative quiet as he tiptoes around the bodies of his former colleagues on the way into work. Back last year Jon Wiener wrote a critical piece on The New Times for The Nation.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070716/wiener

Gustavo sent in a letter that sure reads to me like he&#039;s DEFENDING those who do, in fact, sign his paychecks. A reasonable position, but one that should be clearly stated.  Here&#039;s what Gustavo wrote at the time. You read it and decide: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070827/letter

Here&#039;s the text:

&quot;Gracias to Jon Wiener for the kind words he said about my column. That said, many of the conclusions he reached about Village Voice Media and its subsequent meaning for my employer, OC Weekly, are ludicrous.

Wiener begins by claiming that the new owners of VVM--the barbarians from Phoenix previously known as the New Times--strip papers of a commitment to their communities and care only about profits. His proof? That LA Weekly and OC Weekly no longer print endorsements. I am personally for newspaper endorsements, but refusing to print them doesn&#039;t translate into a dereliction of duty. Many lively independent papers and blogs don&#039;t offer endorsements; does this mean they&#039;re captains of avarice?

Wiener&#039;s thesis clashes with his own description of VVM&#039;s owners as focusing on hyper-local stories targeting the elite. How is hyper-local coverage not a civic service, especially at a time when dailies are more interested in layoffs, consolidations and the shaved cooters of movie vixens?

Wiener&#039;s analysis implicitly dings OC Weekly, so let&#039;s go to the tape: In June alone, it trashed anti-immigrant wack job Tom Tancredo, cast a critical eye on media accounts of imprisoned Vietnam War relic Vang Pao, exposed white supremacists and other criminals who prey on Orange County&#039;s defenseless, profiled a man who breaks up international slave rings, praised Vietnam&#039;s Communist president and called for legalizing our illegal immigrants. Hardly the stuff of neocons, ¿qué no?

Finally, I&#039;m curious as to why Wiener didn&#039;t talk to the half-dozen staffers who remained at OC Weekly instead of joining Will Swaim at his new paper--especially to the news staff Wiener praised, all of whom stayed. Wiener would&#039;ve found folks who believe that the ideals that made the OC Weekly such an important part of Orange County for the better part of a decade remain safely in place. We old-timers from the ancien régime know a mediocre newspaper chain when we see it, and the new Village Voice Media frankly isn&#039;t one.

GUSTAVO ARELLANO
Staff writer, OC Weekly&quot;

This much is for sure, hardly anyone left standing would call The New Times chain mediocre-- that&#039;s far too kind of a description.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc can answer Gustavo Arellano on his own. But I, for one, remain suspicious of Gustavo&#8217;s relative quiet as he tiptoes around the bodies of his former colleagues on the way into work. Back last year Jon Wiener wrote a critical piece on The New Times for The Nation.<br />
<a href="http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070716/wiener" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070716/wiener</a></p>
<p>Gustavo sent in a letter that sure reads to me like he&#8217;s DEFENDING those who do, in fact, sign his paychecks. A reasonable position, but one that should be clearly stated.  Here&#8217;s what Gustavo wrote at the time. You read it and decide: <a href="http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070827/letter" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070827/letter</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the text:</p>
<p>&#8220;Gracias to Jon Wiener for the kind words he said about my column. That said, many of the conclusions he reached about Village Voice Media and its subsequent meaning for my employer, OC Weekly, are ludicrous.</p>
<p>Wiener begins by claiming that the new owners of VVM&#8211;the barbarians from Phoenix previously known as the New Times&#8211;strip papers of a commitment to their communities and care only about profits. His proof? That LA Weekly and OC Weekly no longer print endorsements. I am personally for newspaper endorsements, but refusing to print them doesn&#8217;t translate into a dereliction of duty. Many lively independent papers and blogs don&#8217;t offer endorsements; does this mean they&#8217;re captains of avarice?</p>
<p>Wiener&#8217;s thesis clashes with his own description of VVM&#8217;s owners as focusing on hyper-local stories targeting the elite. How is hyper-local coverage not a civic service, especially at a time when dailies are more interested in layoffs, consolidations and the shaved cooters of movie vixens?</p>
<p>Wiener&#8217;s analysis implicitly dings OC Weekly, so let&#8217;s go to the tape: In June alone, it trashed anti-immigrant wack job Tom Tancredo, cast a critical eye on media accounts of imprisoned Vietnam War relic Vang Pao, exposed white supremacists and other criminals who prey on Orange County&#8217;s defenseless, profiled a man who breaks up international slave rings, praised Vietnam&#8217;s Communist president and called for legalizing our illegal immigrants. Hardly the stuff of neocons, ¿qué no?</p>
<p>Finally, I&#8217;m curious as to why Wiener didn&#8217;t talk to the half-dozen staffers who remained at OC Weekly instead of joining Will Swaim at his new paper&#8211;especially to the news staff Wiener praised, all of whom stayed. Wiener would&#8217;ve found folks who believe that the ideals that made the OC Weekly such an important part of Orange County for the better part of a decade remain safely in place. We old-timers from the ancien régime know a mediocre newspaper chain when we see it, and the new Village Voice Media frankly isn&#8217;t one.</p>
<p>GUSTAVO ARELLANO<br />
Staff writer, OC Weekly&#8221;</p>
<p>This much is for sure, hardly anyone left standing would call The New Times chain mediocre&#8211; that&#8217;s far too kind of a description.</p>
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		<title>By: zzyzx</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Fiore: 
Whatever Lacey is or is not, at least before he gobbled up the Village Voice papers like Augustus Gloop toppling into the chocolate river, he was rather good at making money in secondary markets. He assembles a skeleton staff, he pays them slightly better than the pay scale at the local daily (this part is changing), and he works them into the ground filling highly formatted slots, keeping excruciatingly careful track of production. He doesn&#039;t much like editors, so there tend not to be so many of them. The ad staffs are minimal. The papers are thin. He knows how to make money on a 112-page paper perfectly well - it&#039;s the 224-page papers he has problems with. His virtues, if you can call them that, are strict enforcement of the line between advertising and editorial, and a sort of old-fashioned doggedness that as Marc suggests was probably useful in the crony-ridden precincts of Phoenix 30 years ago.

It is not an accident, though, that not one writer or editor has ever become a national figure of the magnitude that dozens and dozens of Voice and Weekly writers have achieved - no Wolcott, no Christgau, no Carson, no Hentoff, no Goldstein, no Ventura, no Dargis, no Coll, no Gilmore, no Malan, no Giddens, no Cooper. (Even the hapless L.A. Reader launched the careers of Matt Groening, Robbie Baitz and Steve Erickson among many others.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Fiore:<br />
Whatever Lacey is or is not, at least before he gobbled up the Village Voice papers like Augustus Gloop toppling into the chocolate river, he was rather good at making money in secondary markets. He assembles a skeleton staff, he pays them slightly better than the pay scale at the local daily (this part is changing), and he works them into the ground filling highly formatted slots, keeping excruciatingly careful track of production. He doesn&#8217;t much like editors, so there tend not to be so many of them. The ad staffs are minimal. The papers are thin. He knows how to make money on a 112-page paper perfectly well &#8211; it&#8217;s the 224-page papers he has problems with. His virtues, if you can call them that, are strict enforcement of the line between advertising and editorial, and a sort of old-fashioned doggedness that as Marc suggests was probably useful in the crony-ridden precincts of Phoenix 30 years ago.</p>
<p>It is not an accident, though, that not one writer or editor has ever become a national figure of the magnitude that dozens and dozens of Voice and Weekly writers have achieved &#8211; no Wolcott, no Christgau, no Carson, no Hentoff, no Goldstein, no Ventura, no Dargis, no Coll, no Gilmore, no Malan, no Giddens, no Cooper. (Even the hapless L.A. Reader launched the careers of Matt Groening, Robbie Baitz and Steve Erickson among many others.)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Turmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zuma and New Times deserve each other.</description>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I checked out Zuma Dog&#039;s website.  He may in fact be the most irritating human being on the face of the earth.</description>
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		<title>By: Gustavo Arellano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gustavo Arellano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc: My reticence to speak about LA Weekly or OC Weekly isn&#039;t based on who writes my paychecks but truly on personal matters I can&#039;t quite discuss. My bosses very well know that if I have something to say, I&#039;ll say it, damn the consequences.

Just one minor correction, though: it&#039;s &quot;Arellano,&quot; not &quot;Arrellano.&quot; I know, I know: us Mexicans and that wacky double r!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc: My reticence to speak about LA Weekly or OC Weekly isn&#8217;t based on who writes my paychecks but truly on personal matters I can&#8217;t quite discuss. My bosses very well know that if I have something to say, I&#8217;ll say it, damn the consequences.</p>
<p>Just one minor correction, though: it&#8217;s &#8220;Arellano,&#8221; not &#8220;Arrellano.&#8221; I know, I know: us Mexicans and that wacky double r!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Fiore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Fiore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez, Zuma, I think that would be his preference . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez, Zuma, I think that would be his preference . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Zuma Dogg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zuma Dogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc,
Is there any way you can run your career without having to include  me in it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc,<br />
Is there any way you can run your career without having to include  me in it?</p>
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		<title>By: Listener</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/final-wrap-up-on-la-weekly/comment-page-1/#comment-604456</link>
		<dc:creator>Listener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, for someone who wasn&#039;t sure they wanted to post their &quot;autopsy&quot; in the first place, I imagine the response to your piece has been gratifying - or, maybe not.  I wonder, Marc, did you think this thing would take off like it did?

At any rate, it&#039;s been wild to sit here on the sidelines and watch.  Thanks to all the participants for the entertainment, as well as the education.

If, in the not so distant future, someone writes a final obit for the entire print media industry before the last one out turns out the lights, this series of posts on the &lt;i&gt;L A Weekly&lt;/i&gt; wouldn&#039;t be a bad place to begin.

And, what Robert Fiore said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, for someone who wasn&#8217;t sure they wanted to post their &#8220;autopsy&#8221; in the first place, I imagine the response to your piece has been gratifying &#8211; or, maybe not.  I wonder, Marc, did you think this thing would take off like it did?</p>
<p>At any rate, it&#8217;s been wild to sit here on the sidelines and watch.  Thanks to all the participants for the entertainment, as well as the education.</p>
<p>If, in the not so distant future, someone writes a final obit for the entire print media industry before the last one out turns out the lights, this series of posts on the <i>L A Weekly</i> wouldn&#8217;t be a bad place to begin.</p>
<p>And, what Robert Fiore said.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least you finally made Joe Donnelly happy by mentioning his name:)</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What gets lost in all of this is that many changes at newspapers have had less to do with the economy than they have with greedy and incompetent publishers and editors.  When the economy was going well, newspapers were cutting back.  In the 1970s, Abe Rosenthal, as right-wing and kooky as his columns were, did a great thing as executive editor of The New York Times with the business side.  As he put it, they put more tomatoes in the soup.  Instead, these guys throw out not just the tomatoes, but the soup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What gets lost in all of this is that many changes at newspapers have had less to do with the economy than they have with greedy and incompetent publishers and editors.  When the economy was going well, newspapers were cutting back.  In the 1970s, Abe Rosenthal, as right-wing and kooky as his columns were, did a great thing as executive editor of The New York Times with the business side.  As he put it, they put more tomatoes in the soup.  Instead, these guys throw out not just the tomatoes, but the soup.</p>
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