Gene McCarthy — Richard Pryor R.I.P.
Two towering icons of the 1960′s have died only a few hours apart from each other, leaving us all a little worse off.
Master comic Richard Pryor died today at his San Fernando Valley home not terribly far from where I live. He was 65 and had been in extremely ill health for a decade or more.
We also lost former Minnesota Senator and 1968 Democratic Presidential Candidate Eugene McCarthy who slipped away at age 89.
Both men had a profound effect on me and millions of others of my generation. Until Richard Pryor had come on to the scene, no comic other than Lenny Bruce had dared to go so close to the edge. I’ll save all the cliches about Pryor being a goundbreaker. They’re all true. But you can read about that in the many obits now mushrooming in the media. Yes, Pryor was the first to bring the mordant humor of the American ghetto into the mainstream. More importantly, Pryor was just fabulously funny, a magnificent story teller and an hilarious impersonator.
I remember the first time I saw him live — one of the advantages of living in Los Angeles as opposed to, say, Storm Lake, Iowa. It was this time of the year, right before Christmas in 1967 and I had just turned 17. For a $3.50 cover charge I got a seat about 10 feet from the smoky stage at The Troubador club on Santa Monica Blvd. I can remember literally gasping for air — laughing till I hurt– as he did a knock-down riff on farts. That’s right, all about how we all fart — everyone of us– from the Pope to Jackie O. An absolutely fabulous evening that made me a die-hard, life long fan.
Gene McCarthy I saw at a peace rally once, but can’t remember where or when exactly. In late 1967 and early 1968 he burst onto the national scene by not only challenging the war in Vietnam, but by offering himself up as the peace candidate against incumbent LBJ. Back in those days it was actually a big debate among anti-war protestors whether or not to support someone like McCarthy for fear of "selling out." Hard to believe — but true.
I wasn’t quite old enough to vote at the time. But I put an orange and brown "McCarthy ’68" bumpersticker on my aged and dented roadster. I remember very clearly being stopped by the California Highway Patrol on Olympic Bvd. at a random equipment inspection checkpoint (we don’t have those anymore fortunately). The tall cop, hiding under his helment and behind his shades, found I had a defective brake light. He didn’t cite me. Instead, he pointed to the bumpersticker and said: "He’s my man, too."
So I suppose I owe Clean Gene on that one.
McCarthy wound up polling an amazing 42% against LBJ in the early 1968 Hew Hampshire Primary. It was a death blow for Johnson who two weeks later renounced his re-election plans. The dubious Bobby Kennedy — who had been waffling around politically– decided to suddenly jump into the race and capitalize on McCarthy’s courage. RFK with his enormous name I.D. really undercut McCarthy and then was, as we know, assassinated a few months later on stage at the Ambassador Hotel. The Democrats wound up running the John Kerry of his times– the pathetic Hubert Humphrey. The rest is history.
The deaths of McCarthy and Pryor are losses that I really feel. We could use more guys like them nowadays, couldn’t we?
December 10th, 2005 at 8:13 pm
My first voter registration was Democrat, so I could vote for McCarthy in the 1972 primary – with the intent of doing my small part to weaken the Democrat ticket…
McCarthy was an interesting man – a genuine combat veteran of World War II, an anti-war candidate and somewhat of a leftist who converted many of his economic views after retiring from politics and becoming a capitalist ( a hotelier ).
Pryor was funny and I enjoyed him. Beyond that, can’t say much other than he didn’t he had a tough life and a tough death.
December 10th, 2005 at 9:34 pm
Marc..do you remember the old club PJ’s in West Hollywood? The 60″s. First time I ever saw Richard Pryor in person! There will never be another!
December 10th, 2005 at 11:35 pm
Wow.. PJ’s… I havent thought of that place in years. That was on the corner of Sta Monica and Crescent Heights, right? That was SOME place right up into the mid 70′s when it evaporated.
Ok.. while we’re on it.. other long-lost places that were too good to be true:
1) The Etc. on North La Brea.. saw Roberta Flack there. That was a GREAT place before it imploded.
2) The Point After… Ventura Bl and Tujunga… hottest club in the early 70′s and in the valley to boot!
3) The Blah-Blah Cafe in Sherman Oaks.. saw Al Jarreau playing there earning about 50 bucks a nite..
And… Gazzari’s… on The Sunset Strip… and so many many others. Cream playing live at the Whiskey; BB King and Albert King at the Ash Grove; The Doors at the Aquarius. Yikes. Getting OLLLLDDD!
December 11th, 2005 at 12:35 am
Well I was about three weeks when the 1968 presidential election happened. I’m now old enough to know what it’s like to mention political events to young people and have blank stares returned. And old enough to know that having lived through certain events I appreciate them in a way that someone younger won’t ever quite be able to get.
So given that I say this with a certain deference for not having been there, but Humphrey pathetic? I’m sure you know he’s a giant icon in Minnesota, and not without reason. When he was mayor of Minneapolis, which at the time had a reputation for bitter anti-semitism, he led numerous fights to end racial and religious discrimination. He attempted, with Governor Youngdahl, to have the Minnesota National Guard integrated, and with it the entire nation’s armed forces.
When he was Senator he led the fight to move the Democrats on racial discrimination, voting rights and a whole host of liberal causes. His influence with this group was partly why Johnson cultivated him and how he ended up as vice-president. I know he was very unpopular on the war, but I think pathetic is a bit too sweeping. He did some tremendous things that he should rightly be praised for.
Anyway, it’s a sad day to have lost both Pryor and McCarthy.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:40 am
Dan O… What u say about Humphrey is true. But by the summer and fall of 1968 he was indeed pathetic. HUndreds of thousands troops in Vietnam, the Tet offensive just concluded signalling that no end was in sight, hundreds of thousands of americans protesting in the streets, johnson forced to resign, the Chicago convention a Dantesque scene of Party thugs and Chicaco cops muzzling dissent and… HUmprhey??? Squeaking about staying the course. Trust me… it was pathetic. He was not the same man of 20 years before.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:50 am
Richard Pryor was one of the funniest men who ever lived. Like so many funny men, he was a troubled soul who had a terrible time in life. May he rest in peace.
As may also Gene McCarthy, a learned, intelligent, resolutely honest and courageous American Pol, Dem Division. The Dems need guys like Gene McCarthy, more than they can imagine.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:30 am
Without the assassination of Bobby Kennedy, the “sixties” as we know them now might have turned out very differently. There was no one left to co-opt the anti-war movement which was one of the main effects of Kennedy’s candidacy. As Marc rightly points out, Humphrey was solidly pro-Vietnam war, and the realization that solace was not to be found in the Democratic Party was a major turning point for many political activists–as illustrated by the Chicago convention demonstratons. The attitudes of so many of us about the Democratic Party were born then and in my case at least have not changed since.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:18 am
It wasn’t so much that Humphrey was pathetic as that he was basically a highly evolved creature of the Senate (not a “Master of the Senate”, a la LBJ, which is, if anything, worse). That was also Bob Dole’s weakness. Both Humphrey and Dole were loved for what they were in that institution — brilliant compromisers. That’s an important skill in the Oval Office as well, of course. Clinton was great at squeaking out passage by narrow margins, for example. But it doesn’t make you a great chief executive, or help you cut a figure that suggests you would be one.
Very interesting interview with Eugene McCarthy here:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/coldwar/interviews/episode-13/mccarthy1.html
Notable points: he really didn’t like Bobby Kennedy, thought him dangerous; and he really didn’t think there was anything so great about LBJ’s Great Society — it was just a bunch of septic band-aids, hardly a worth successor to the New Deal. He applies the term “fascist” (in a qualified manner) to how the 1968 Democratic National Convention was run, which I momentarily bridled at, until I read what he had to say about it, including some pretty appalling things I hadn’t heard about before. (They *wire-tapped* his hotel room? LBJ had army reservists on alert outside the city? Jeez.)
Sure he was a liberal. But I haven’t found any evidence of leftism. Later on, he wrote a preface for a Libertarian presidential candidate’s book, and even endorsed Reagan for some reason. Hard to classify. Definitely a poet though — he wrote some good ones. (The less political ones are better, of course.)
I saw him once, at a reception at somebody’s home in deepest Marin County, during one of his quixotic post-68 runs at the presidency. He seemed tired, and if anything a little weary of being such a pet of uberliberals. I could sympathize — it’s like meeting the same five types of people wherever you go. My girlfriend went over and hugged him, and told him she had worked on his ’68 campaign (when she might have been all of 10 years old). A slightly pained expression crossed his face, as if he were thinking, “the 83rd time that’s happened so far this year, and counting.” It made me like him, in a funny way.
December 11th, 2005 at 6:14 am
People on the national stage don’t always win and it can take a toll. George McGovern seems to hold up well. He was my first vote. We always get the same quasi totalitarian performances from Republicans. They were the establishment we fought gainst then, and now. But even some of Nixon’s policies look good in comparison to this corporate joker card in office now.
December 11th, 2005 at 8:43 am
Without the assassination of Bobby Kennedy, the “sixties†as we know them now might have turned out very differently.
I don’t know. It’s theoretically possible Bobby could have won on an antiwar ticket, especially in a three-way election where there’s a lot of randomness anyway. But the antiwar ticket of four years later, including a Bobby lite figure, didn’t exactly sweep the country. (And of course if you add Nixon and Wallace’s votes together, you get a very strong rightwing preference in that election.) The thing pollsters observed about Jack– that after his death about 70% of the population claimed to have voted for him in ’60– applies to Bobby too. He might not have won the nomination, let alone the presidency, in reality.
In any case, McCarthy was an important and honorable figure, even if his moment in history was brief. But when it came, he did it right– no “I voted for it before I voted against it” triangulation. The thing to realize is that his candidacy was made possible by something that’s illegal now– the backing of a few wealthy antiwar figures. (Yes, Soros and Move On are trying to bring that back, but it’s not the same when you can only spend on someone’s behalf– and they can’t control your message.) Because they have to raise so much money from so many people now, candidates basically can’t afford to be as steadfast on one position as they used to be. We’ve reformed them into mush.
Poor Hubert. I think Michael Turner is right, he was ruined by the Senate and by LBJ who made him be such a toady. A great figure in his time, but his time was the late 40s and early 50s.
And Pryor? Now we can forget the sad wreck the man had become, the execrable movies he turned out one after another, and remember the young, lively genius. He sure makes the list of political comedians that was being bandied about in another thread look small. Plus he was smart enough to never host the Oscars….
December 11th, 2005 at 12:38 pm
My favorite Pryor bit was his take on The Exorcist.
I agree with both Dan O and Marc about Humphrey. The worst thing he did was hook up with LBJ. The portion of Robert Caro’s volumes on Johnson dealing with the Senate years bears this out.
December 11th, 2005 at 3:01 pm
Enjoyed the post!
Not to nitpick, but wasn’t Bobby Kennedy gunned down while being escorted through a kitchen/pantry area at the Ambassador, as opposed to on stage?
December 11th, 2005 at 3:05 pm
Digby has some good words on the importance of Richard Pryor:
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‘I saw Richard Pryor in concert in 1974 at the Circle Star Theatre in San Carlos, California.,… He was on the cusp of achieving huge mainstream fame that year from his album ‘That Nigger’s Crazy.’
“I’d never seen anything like Pryor before. It was more than comedy, and it sure as hell was more than “R” rated. It was cultural observation so universal and so penetrating that I saw the world differently from that night on. He didn’t just talk about race, although he talked about it a lot and in the most bracing, uncompromising terms possible. He also talked about men and women, age, relationships, family, politics and culture so hilariously that my jaw literally ached the next day. He was rude, profane and sexist. But there was also this undercurrent of vulnerability and melancholy running beneath the comedy that exposed a canny understanding of human foible. His personal angst seemed to me to be almost uncomfortably plain.
“I looked around me in that theatre that night, in which I and my little friend Kathy were among a fair minority of whites, and I realized that we were all laughing uproariously together at this shocking, dirty, racially charged stuff. As someone who grew up in a racist household (and had always had a visceral reaction against it) it was an enormous, overwhelming relief. I understood Richard Pryor, the African Americans in the audience understood Richard Pryor and Richard Pryor and the African Americans understood me. He was right up front, saying it all clearly and without restraint. He wasn’t being polite and pretending that race wasn’t an issue. And it didn’t matter. Nobody, not one person, in that audience was angry. In fact, not one person in that audience was anything but doubled over in paroxysms of hysterical laughter. He had our number, all of us, the whole flawed species…..”
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Also, it’s worth listening to the NPR obit, just to hear what Walter Mosley has to say….
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5047895
December 11th, 2005 at 4:52 pm
Marc wrote: “…about how we all fart — everyone of us….”
Well, actually, Republicans don’t fart. They politely pass gas…and do that privately…and away from people–unless a Democrat is standing directly behind them.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:55 pm
Not to nitpick, but wasn’t Bobby Kennedy gunned down while being escorted through a kitchen/pantry area at the Ambassador, as opposed to on stage?
Yes. I shot a TV commercial at the shuttered Ambassador in the early 90s and walked over the spot where it happened. A tragic, historic spot which, unfortunately, was hopelessly impractical to save and memorialize (what would you do, restore the entire building for the sake of a narrow, nondescript hallway five people at a time could see?) Incidentally, I also got to peek into the Coconut Grove (recently recreated in the movie The Aviator). I guess (not being in LA) that it’s still there, but in the process of being demolished.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:21 pm
That must have been Republican humor. So sad.
December 11th, 2005 at 7:07 pm
Well, actually, Republicans don’t fart.
Amazing, when you consider how full of crap so many of them are.
You left me a hanging curve, Woody.
December 11th, 2005 at 8:41 pm
Humphrey at his best had as much political courage as McCarthy, perhaps more. McCarthy’s politics following his senate career were entirely unpredictable, though not refreshingly so. He seemed to take whimsical, almost snide pleasure, in foiling expectations. It was a kind of coy arrogance and not very attractive. In the end, I think Humphrey was the more compelling figure, even with the pathos of the LBJ years.
That said, McCarthy was the better poet (though not such a good one) and the cooler character.
December 11th, 2005 at 9:09 pm
Entirely OT…But I just saw “Brokeback Mountain†last night….and completely loved it. Some critics have said it’s a bit slow, or emotionally removed…or whatever. I think those critics need to cut down on their morning lattes.
Smart money says Brokeback’s a lock for a nomination for Best Picture, Best Director, Best Actor, Cinematography, and Best (adapted) Script.
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Okay, end of PR release. But I figured with all the hullabaloo about “first gay western” (a stupid, reductive and inaccurate description), I’d make a pitch for seeing it.
December 12th, 2005 at 5:12 am
The interview with McCarthy I mentioned (see link above) provides ample evidence of a sharp intellect. Note the frequent self-interruptions, the pauses to collect his thoughts, and the general avoidance of absolutes, a sign that he was struggling with how to best convey complex realities in simple terms.
Which means, of course, that he had no balls.
You might remember how the Ann Coulter thread veered into discussion of Charles Murray’s racial theories, including his invocation of the ratio of testicle size to brain size. Well, this has been firmly established in bats.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1910265,00.html
“Because relatively large brains are metabolically costly to develop and maintain, changes in brain size may be accompanied by compensatory changes in other expensive tissues.”
Damn straight — they don’t call them “the family jewels” for nothing.
Now, to extrapolate these results to human beings might seem a stretch, but remember, we’re talking about certain subspecies of homo sapiens known as “barking moonbats” and “raving wingnuts.” (I’ll look up the latin names later, OK?) Entirely aside from the added tissue burden of larger vocal chords for barking or raving, there are the more onerous constraints imposed by the needs of high-performance flight to destinations far beyond what can typically be reached by the average human being. At least, distance is a factor in the case of moonbats, because the moon is really damn far. In the case of wingnuts, it’s more a matter of their being made up of material much denser than normal biological tissues. Something’s gotta give.
So you have your basic tradeoff — wits vs. cojones. Of course, some try to have it both ways. In recent discussions on what should have been a dead thread by now, John Moore maintains that he knows torture because he willingly entered into an arrangement with some people who exposed him to intense suffering. Now, I’m sure John has unusual brain power at some times, and unusual ballsiness at others, but I think he must be some kind of weird mutant homo wingnuttus who can do the tissue-allocation tradeoff dynamically, in real time — but who is still incapable of having it both ways. After all, if his apparent definition of torture was the real one, I could charge any number of dentists I’ve seen with “torture.” For that matter, any number of ex-girlfriends would have Interpol trying to track me down for crimes against humanity, for the continuing inhuman suffering I subject them to daily by the mere fact that I still live and breathe.
By way of closing, I must point out that Eugene McCarthy wrote poetry, and poets are notoriously testosterone-deficient. In some cases, this gives rise to veiled, allusive, allegorical deprecations of those with larger genitalia, often with a piquant hint of homoerotic subtext, as in the following Eugene McCarthy poem.
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ODE TO A HOT DOG ONE FOOT LONG
There you are, my boiled friend.
You are very beautiful sitting on my plate.
Is there something on your mind?
You seem unusually quiet this evening.
Yes, I have overheard your conversations with the authorities.
Did you actually think you could fool me?
And now, ready the sauerkraut, and let the meal begin!
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See it? The subconscious allusion, “sauerkraut”, to the remarkable similarites between liberalism and Nazism? Why, the Freudian undertones alone will make you realize that—
Oh wait a minute, this one was from Harry Solomon, of Third Rock from the Sun. Well, I promise to find the one by McCarthy that I was talking about, OK? In the meantime, consider that Harry is really smart, AND has girlishly long hair. Coincidence? Ha!
December 12th, 2005 at 8:45 am
Not entirely O.T., if in talking about Eugene McCarthy we’re also talking about the long winding road of American war propaganda, and how the Vietnam adventure resembles and differs from the current one: Joe Klein has an interesting op-ed on Time’s website
http://www.time.com/time/columnist/klein/article/0,9565,1139778,00.html
He mentions a Duke University professor, Peter Feaver, who has had a hand in Bush’s New War Push. Possibly he’s Condi’s virtual replacement on the NSC. Feaver found through focus group studies that Americans might continue backing the war in Iraq if they could be made to believe it would result in victory. When you put this datum into the Bush Machine, what you get is what we’ve gotten before, which is that they keep repeating the message, even if there’s not much to back it up. We have a strategy for Victory, victory, victory, on to victory, and did I mention victory? It puts me in mind of Nixon’s exhilarating slogan, “Let’s WIN the war in Vietnam!” (How? That’s a secret.)
Peter Feaver’s probably no dummy. I found an interesting essay by Paul Schulte, “I am Usama bin Laden”, linked at his Duke faculty page.
http://www.duke.edu/~pfeaver/
Written in May 2002 (or earlier), it has UBL shrugging off any coming “loss” of Afghanistan as being of little consequence in the long run, and thanking Ariel Sharon, George W. Bush and Tony Blair for being such good recruiting sergeants for Al Qaeda. This essay is apparently required reading for one of Feaver’s courses.
History doesn’t repeat, but it does rhyme. McCarthy handled rhyme rather deftly, never descending into doggerel. I guess we’ll just have to wonder what sort of wistful versifying he would have brought to this sorry juncture.
December 12th, 2005 at 8:59 am
In response to “Well, actually, Republicans don’t fart.” Randy wrote: “Amazing, when you consider how full of crap so many of them are.
You left me a hanging curve, Woody.”
Ah, then you admit that the Democrats cannot beat “it” out of the Republicans.
Randy is thown out at second trying to stretch a single into a home run.
December 12th, 2005 at 9:04 am
RD: hullabaloo about “first gay westernâ€
I guess folks missed Hoot Gibson in “The Gay Buckaroo”, Cisco Kid in “The Gay Amigo” and Roy Rogers in “The Gay Ranchero”…
December 12th, 2005 at 9:21 am
rosedog, combining the jokes of Pryor with the western theme you mentioned reminds me of “Blazin’ Saddles,” which went from beans around the campfire, to the new sherrif, to Dom Deluise’s gay dance production. That movie broke as much ground as it did wind.
Just to say something about Gene McCarthy, I use to think that LBJ gave up because he was tired of the job and the attacks, and I didn’t put much importance into the anti-war candidate. Did I overlook McCarthy’s importance at the time or are we attributing too much importance to him at his death?
December 12th, 2005 at 9:31 am
One more thing…the link below is not a flattering article about Pryor, but it contains this quote that I think is appropriate about his humor and life.
The idea of “laughing to keep from crying” was central to his work….
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/374027p-317932c.html
December 12th, 2005 at 9:33 am
“That movie broke as much ground as it did wind.”
Good line…
The paragraph after that, however, is overwhelming proof that you should stick to humor.
December 12th, 2005 at 9:40 am
Kudos to MT for creating such an elaborate satire rooted in evolutionary biology.
“of Third Rock from the Sun.” I spent years on that show too. Never learned any theory there.
December 12th, 2005 at 9:42 am
All comedy is rooted in tragedy. Even Woody’s although he doesn’t know it.
December 12th, 2005 at 10:44 am
Wow Mark. Great consise observation or truth and example.
December 12th, 2005 at 10:46 am
That would be ‘concise’ and ‘of truth’ dammit.
December 12th, 2005 at 11:12 am
Woody asks: “Did I overlook McCarthy’s importance at the time or are we attributing too much importance to him at his death?”
He seemed like a big deal at the time, to me. Then again, I was young and impressionable, and moreover living in the People’s Republic of Berkeley, which had broken off diplomatic relations with the U.S. at that point.
He was significant as a stalking horse for the anti-war vote, because he decided to go after the incumbent president from his own party and did surprisingly well — he trailed LBJ by only 7 points in New Hampshire, and this couldn’t have been very encouraging for LBJ, who announced only a few weeks afterward that he wouldn’t seek reelection. He won Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Connecticut and Oregon, though not Indiana or California, where Bobby’s star was rising — and Bobby really DID want to be president, whereas you had to wonder about McCarthy. You also really have to wonder if Bobby would have even tried, if McCarthy hadn’t shown the cracks in the LBJ edifice.
I think LBJ really wanted to go down in history as a major president, with lots of progress seen over two terms. But he was also realistic enough to see that he wouldn’t be able to pull it off in an American split three or four different ways, with a lot of the fissures running right through his own party, one of them opened by his Vietnam policies.
McCarthy’s significance was primarily in exposing the Vietnam rift relatively early. You can argue that a Nixon victory might have been inevitable anyway, but … what if Sirhan Sirhan had missed, or had only wounded Bobby?
What if, what if, what if … you can play this game forever. (What if Joe Kennedy junior hadn’t died in that mission over Europe?) We got the history we got, and McCarthy had a part in it that *felt* remarkable at the time — the Time of the Assassins, let’s not forget. The fires burning at the time illuminated some faces and ignited some passions that we might not have noticed very much otherwise. Besides, if might-have-beens don’t matter, why do people still think Malcom X mattered? We can’t all be heroes, so the most significant examples of courage are really about changes of heart.
December 12th, 2005 at 11:58 am
Mark A. York Says: All comedy is rooted in tragedy. Even Woody’s although he doesn’t know it.
Jim Russell Says: Wow Mark. Great consise observation or truth and example.
This might hold true if the humor is belittling to me. On the other hand, when I’m laughing at you, which is generally the case, maybe it’s time to consider your own life and beliefs.
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Michael Turner wrote: “McCarthy’s significance was primarily in exposing the Vietnam rift relatively early. …What if, what if, what if … you can play this game forever. …We got the history we got…. …We can’t all be heroes, so the most significant examples of courage are really about changes of heart.
I think you’ve presented good summaries of the period and the man (and historical truths). I suspect that the importance of Gene McCarthy in Alabama was different than it was at Berkeley, likely because LBJ was associated heavily with civil rights issues in the South and to a lesser degree with problems in Vietnam– and, this resulted in different perceptions of McCarthy’s impact on LBJ and the period. Plus, college football always was more important in Alabama than protesting. But, time and more information has a way of smoothing out the distinctions in perceptions.
December 12th, 2005 at 12:05 pm
P.S. Michael Turner, The Blue Parrot is closing on December 18th, so you can get take advantage of some deals on books and CHRISTMAS gifts in the next few days.
December 12th, 2005 at 2:53 pm
Ah… beliefs have nothing to do with it. Your so-called jokes are posted in public. How many laughed and said good one Woody? I didn’t count any. The last one involved farting at Democrats if memory serves. Yeah, I need to reconsider my beliefs. Hoo ha.
Hey Jim, it’s all that stage training.
December 12th, 2005 at 6:34 pm
Ah, then you admit that the Democrats cannot beat “it†out of the Republicans.
No, that their crap is dried and impacted. A surgeon would be needed to extract it.
Woody strikes out again.
December 12th, 2005 at 8:34 pm
Randy seems to know a lot about what is in people’s rear ends.
December 13th, 2005 at 7:46 am
No Woody, just that it appears that what comes out of yours ends up in the comments section here.
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That reminds me. It’s time for my five-year colonoscopy. Ill be sure to send you some 3×5′s to show you I’m clean.
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