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		<title>By: sell and buy</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-641414</link>
		<dc:creator>sell and buy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 03:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#039;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#039;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#8217;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#8217;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598747</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a term of art, so to speak - vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis...vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &quot;base and superstructure&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a term of art, so to speak &#8211; vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis&#8230;vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &#8220;base and superstructure&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598706</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took it to mean vulgar in the sense of being common.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598698</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say empiricism was vulgar...god no.  I meant vulgar in the sense of reductionism.</description>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598635</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gnebel:

My pleasure. &quot;Truthiness&quot; is bipartisan.</description>
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<p>My pleasure. &#8220;Truthiness&#8221; is bipartisan.</p>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598632</link>
		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn.  That&#039;s &quot;has already been decided upon&quot; to close my second graph.</description>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
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		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jc never disappoints.  Let&#039;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &quot;you demand &#039;quantifiable&#039; social scientific data&quot;--in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &quot;balance of forces&quot; based on the &quot;objective&quot; &quot;first principle of historical struggle.&quot;  (I&#039;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes--I&#039;m not as handy posting things as y&#039;all are.)

Hmm.  I think that&#039;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#039;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.

I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#039;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)

Thanks Randy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jc never disappoints.  Let&#8217;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &#8220;you demand &#8216;quantifiable&#8217; social scientific data&#8221;&#8211;in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &#8220;balance of forces&#8221; based on the &#8220;objective&#8221; &#8220;first principle of historical struggle.&#8221;  (I&#8217;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes&#8211;I&#8217;m not as handy posting things as y&#8217;all are.)</p>
<p>Hmm.  I think that&#8217;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#8217;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.</p>
<p>I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#8217;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)</p>
<p>Thanks Randy!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598623</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying something goes straight over one&#039;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.

&lt;i&gt;I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#039;t think that is a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying something goes straight over one&#8217;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.</p>
<p><i>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</i></p>
<p>Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#8217;t think that is a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>liberal cartesian dualist is no more of an insult than socialist marxist dialectician.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we&#039;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.

I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.</p>
<p>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598596</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.&lt;/i&gt;

Shorter cummings: I&#039;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#039;t I&#039;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#039;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</i></p>
<p>Shorter cummings: I&#8217;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#8217;t I&#8217;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#8217;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598595</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. &lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t flatter yourself. You&#039;ve proven nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. </i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t flatter yourself. You&#8217;ve proven nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reg 

The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#039;s great book the Conquest of Cool...check it out.</description>
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<p>The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#8217;s great book the Conquest of Cool&#8230;check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any show that includes a reading from The Port Huron Statement in a Manhattan ad agency meeting circa 1962-63 gets my attention.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy - I&#039;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well - Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy &#8211; I&#8217;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well &#8211; Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: DanO</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&quot;

1) Um, no.

2)  See #1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&#8221;</p>
<p>1) Um, no.</p>
<p>2)  See #1.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?

There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living - and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing - i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#039;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#039;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  

Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#039;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#039;s more poverty now than in mao&#039;s time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?</p>
<p>There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living &#8211; and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing &#8211; i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#8217;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#8217;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  </p>
<p>Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#8217;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#8217;s more poverty now than in mao&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I get paid to do what I like, and even to fight the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I get paid to do what I like, and even to fight the system.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598583</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#039;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene...

RP....I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#039;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.

I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes - despicable as they may be - that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#039;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#039;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &quot;quantifiable&quot; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#039;t prove what I&#039;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#8217;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene&#8230;</p>
<p>RP&#8230;.I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#8217;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.</p>
<p>I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes &#8211; despicable as they may be &#8211; that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#8217;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#8217;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &#8220;quantifiable&#8221; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#8217;t prove what I&#8217;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</p>
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		<title>By: sell and buy</title>
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		<description>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#039;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#039;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#8217;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#8217;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a term of art, so to speak - vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis...vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &quot;base and superstructure&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a term of art, so to speak &#8211; vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis&#8230;vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &#8220;base and superstructure&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598706</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took it to mean vulgar in the sense of being common.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598698</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say empiricism was vulgar...god no.  I meant vulgar in the sense of reductionism.</description>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598635</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gnebel:

My pleasure. &quot;Truthiness&quot; is bipartisan.</description>
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<p>My pleasure. &#8220;Truthiness&#8221; is bipartisan.</p>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
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		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn.  That&#039;s &quot;has already been decided upon&quot; to close my second graph.</description>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598631</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jc never disappoints.  Let&#039;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &quot;you demand &#039;quantifiable&#039; social scientific data&quot;--in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &quot;balance of forces&quot; based on the &quot;objective&quot; &quot;first principle of historical struggle.&quot;  (I&#039;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes--I&#039;m not as handy posting things as y&#039;all are.)

Hmm.  I think that&#039;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#039;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.

I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#039;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)

Thanks Randy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jc never disappoints.  Let&#8217;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &#8220;you demand &#8216;quantifiable&#8217; social scientific data&#8221;&#8211;in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &#8220;balance of forces&#8221; based on the &#8220;objective&#8221; &#8220;first principle of historical struggle.&#8221;  (I&#8217;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes&#8211;I&#8217;m not as handy posting things as y&#8217;all are.)</p>
<p>Hmm.  I think that&#8217;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#8217;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.</p>
<p>I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#8217;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)</p>
<p>Thanks Randy!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598623</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying something goes straight over one&#039;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.

&lt;i&gt;I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#039;t think that is a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying something goes straight over one&#8217;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.</p>
<p><i>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</i></p>
<p>Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#8217;t think that is a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>liberal cartesian dualist is no more of an insult than socialist marxist dialectician.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we&#039;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.

I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.</p>
<p>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.&lt;/i&gt;

Shorter cummings: I&#039;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#039;t I&#039;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#039;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</i></p>
<p>Shorter cummings: I&#8217;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#8217;t I&#8217;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#8217;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598595</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. &lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t flatter yourself. You&#039;ve proven nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. </i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t flatter yourself. You&#8217;ve proven nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598592</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reg 

The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#039;s great book the Conquest of Cool...check it out.</description>
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<p>The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#8217;s great book the Conquest of Cool&#8230;check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any show that includes a reading from The Port Huron Statement in a Manhattan ad agency meeting circa 1962-63 gets my attention.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy - I&#039;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well - Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy &#8211; I&#8217;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well &#8211; Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: DanO</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&quot;

1) Um, no.

2)  See #1.</description>
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<p>1) Um, no.</p>
<p>2)  See #1.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?

There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living - and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing - i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#039;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#039;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  

Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#039;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#039;s more poverty now than in mao&#039;s time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?</p>
<p>There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living &#8211; and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing &#8211; i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#8217;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#8217;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  </p>
<p>Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#8217;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#8217;s more poverty now than in mao&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I get paid to do what I like, and even to fight the system.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598583</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#039;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene...

RP....I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#039;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.

I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes - despicable as they may be - that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#039;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#039;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &quot;quantifiable&quot; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#039;t prove what I&#039;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#8217;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene&#8230;</p>
<p>RP&#8230;.I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#8217;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.</p>
<p>I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes &#8211; despicable as they may be &#8211; that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#8217;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#8217;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &#8220;quantifiable&#8221; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#8217;t prove what I&#8217;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</p>
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		<dc:creator>sell and buy</dc:creator>
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		<description>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#039;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#039;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</description>
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		<description>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#039;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#039;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#8217;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#8217;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598747</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a term of art, so to speak - vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis...vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &quot;base and superstructure&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a term of art, so to speak &#8211; vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis&#8230;vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &#8220;base and superstructure&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took it to mean vulgar in the sense of being common.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say empiricism was vulgar...god no.  I meant vulgar in the sense of reductionism.</description>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598635</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gnebel:

My pleasure. &quot;Truthiness&quot; is bipartisan.</description>
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<p>My pleasure. &#8220;Truthiness&#8221; is bipartisan.</p>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598632</link>
		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn.  That&#039;s &quot;has already been decided upon&quot; to close my second graph.</description>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598631</link>
		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jc never disappoints.  Let&#039;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &quot;you demand &#039;quantifiable&#039; social scientific data&quot;--in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &quot;balance of forces&quot; based on the &quot;objective&quot; &quot;first principle of historical struggle.&quot;  (I&#039;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes--I&#039;m not as handy posting things as y&#039;all are.)

Hmm.  I think that&#039;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#039;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.

I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#039;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)

Thanks Randy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jc never disappoints.  Let&#8217;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &#8220;you demand &#8216;quantifiable&#8217; social scientific data&#8221;&#8211;in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &#8220;balance of forces&#8221; based on the &#8220;objective&#8221; &#8220;first principle of historical struggle.&#8221;  (I&#8217;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes&#8211;I&#8217;m not as handy posting things as y&#8217;all are.)</p>
<p>Hmm.  I think that&#8217;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#8217;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.</p>
<p>I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#8217;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)</p>
<p>Thanks Randy!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598623</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying something goes straight over one&#039;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.

&lt;i&gt;I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#039;t think that is a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying something goes straight over one&#8217;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.</p>
<p><i>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</i></p>
<p>Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#8217;t think that is a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>liberal cartesian dualist is no more of an insult than socialist marxist dialectician.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we&#039;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.

I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.</p>
<p>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598596</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.&lt;/i&gt;

Shorter cummings: I&#039;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#039;t I&#039;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#039;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</i></p>
<p>Shorter cummings: I&#8217;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#8217;t I&#8217;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#8217;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598595</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. &lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t flatter yourself. You&#039;ve proven nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. </i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t flatter yourself. You&#8217;ve proven nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598592</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reg 

The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#039;s great book the Conquest of Cool...check it out.</description>
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<p>The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#8217;s great book the Conquest of Cool&#8230;check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any show that includes a reading from The Port Huron Statement in a Manhattan ad agency meeting circa 1962-63 gets my attention.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598588</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy - I&#039;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well - Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy &#8211; I&#8217;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well &#8211; Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: DanO</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&quot;

1) Um, no.

2)  See #1.</description>
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<p>1) Um, no.</p>
<p>2)  See #1.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?

There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living - and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing - i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#039;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#039;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  

Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#039;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#039;s more poverty now than in mao&#039;s time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?</p>
<p>There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living &#8211; and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing &#8211; i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#8217;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#8217;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  </p>
<p>Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#8217;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#8217;s more poverty now than in mao&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I get paid to do what I like, and even to fight the system.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598583</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#039;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene...

RP....I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#039;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.

I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes - despicable as they may be - that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#039;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#039;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &quot;quantifiable&quot; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#039;t prove what I&#039;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#8217;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene&#8230;</p>
<p>RP&#8230;.I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#8217;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.</p>
<p>I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes &#8211; despicable as they may be &#8211; that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#8217;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#8217;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &#8220;quantifiable&#8221; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#8217;t prove what I&#8217;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu DeNimm</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a term of art, so to speak - vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis...vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &quot;base and superstructure&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a term of art, so to speak &#8211; vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis&#8230;vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &#8220;base and superstructure&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<description>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#039;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#039;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a term of art, so to speak - vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis...vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &quot;base and superstructure&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a term of art, so to speak &#8211; vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis&#8230;vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &#8220;base and superstructure&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took it to mean vulgar in the sense of being common.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598698</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say empiricism was vulgar...god no.  I meant vulgar in the sense of reductionism.</description>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598635</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gnebel:

My pleasure. &quot;Truthiness&quot; is bipartisan.</description>
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<p>My pleasure. &#8220;Truthiness&#8221; is bipartisan.</p>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598632</link>
		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn.  That&#039;s &quot;has already been decided upon&quot; to close my second graph.</description>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
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		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jc never disappoints.  Let&#039;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &quot;you demand &#039;quantifiable&#039; social scientific data&quot;--in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &quot;balance of forces&quot; based on the &quot;objective&quot; &quot;first principle of historical struggle.&quot;  (I&#039;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes--I&#039;m not as handy posting things as y&#039;all are.)

Hmm.  I think that&#039;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#039;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.

I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#039;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)

Thanks Randy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jc never disappoints.  Let&#8217;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &#8220;you demand &#8216;quantifiable&#8217; social scientific data&#8221;&#8211;in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &#8220;balance of forces&#8221; based on the &#8220;objective&#8221; &#8220;first principle of historical struggle.&#8221;  (I&#8217;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes&#8211;I&#8217;m not as handy posting things as y&#8217;all are.)</p>
<p>Hmm.  I think that&#8217;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#8217;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.</p>
<p>I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#8217;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)</p>
<p>Thanks Randy!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598623</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying something goes straight over one&#039;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.

&lt;i&gt;I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#039;t think that is a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying something goes straight over one&#8217;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.</p>
<p><i>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</i></p>
<p>Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#8217;t think that is a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>liberal cartesian dualist is no more of an insult than socialist marxist dialectician.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we&#039;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.

I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.</p>
<p>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598596</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.&lt;/i&gt;

Shorter cummings: I&#039;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#039;t I&#039;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#039;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</i></p>
<p>Shorter cummings: I&#8217;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#8217;t I&#8217;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#8217;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598595</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. &lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t flatter yourself. You&#039;ve proven nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. </i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t flatter yourself. You&#8217;ve proven nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reg 

The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#039;s great book the Conquest of Cool...check it out.</description>
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<p>The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#8217;s great book the Conquest of Cool&#8230;check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any show that includes a reading from The Port Huron Statement in a Manhattan ad agency meeting circa 1962-63 gets my attention.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy - I&#039;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well - Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy &#8211; I&#8217;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well &#8211; Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: DanO</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&quot;

1) Um, no.

2)  See #1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&#8221;</p>
<p>1) Um, no.</p>
<p>2)  See #1.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?

There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living - and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing - i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#039;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#039;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  

Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#039;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#039;s more poverty now than in mao&#039;s time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?</p>
<p>There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living &#8211; and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing &#8211; i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#8217;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#8217;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  </p>
<p>Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#8217;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#8217;s more poverty now than in mao&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I get paid to do what I like, and even to fight the system.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598583</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#039;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene...

RP....I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#039;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.

I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes - despicable as they may be - that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#039;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#039;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &quot;quantifiable&quot; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#039;t prove what I&#039;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#8217;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene&#8230;</p>
<p>RP&#8230;.I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#8217;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.</p>
<p>I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes &#8211; despicable as they may be &#8211; that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#8217;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#8217;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &#8220;quantifiable&#8221; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#8217;t prove what I&#8217;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu DeNimm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took it to mean vulgar in the sense of being common.</description>
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		<description>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#039;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#039;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a term of art, so to speak - vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis...vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &quot;base and superstructure&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a term of art, so to speak &#8211; vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis&#8230;vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &#8220;base and superstructure&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took it to mean vulgar in the sense of being common.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598698</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say empiricism was vulgar...god no.  I meant vulgar in the sense of reductionism.</description>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598635</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gnebel:

My pleasure. &quot;Truthiness&quot; is bipartisan.</description>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
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		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn.  That&#039;s &quot;has already been decided upon&quot; to close my second graph.</description>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jc never disappoints.  Let&#039;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &quot;you demand &#039;quantifiable&#039; social scientific data&quot;--in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &quot;balance of forces&quot; based on the &quot;objective&quot; &quot;first principle of historical struggle.&quot;  (I&#039;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes--I&#039;m not as handy posting things as y&#039;all are.)

Hmm.  I think that&#039;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#039;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.

I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#039;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)

Thanks Randy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jc never disappoints.  Let&#8217;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &#8220;you demand &#8216;quantifiable&#8217; social scientific data&#8221;&#8211;in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &#8220;balance of forces&#8221; based on the &#8220;objective&#8221; &#8220;first principle of historical struggle.&#8221;  (I&#8217;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes&#8211;I&#8217;m not as handy posting things as y&#8217;all are.)</p>
<p>Hmm.  I think that&#8217;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#8217;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.</p>
<p>I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#8217;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)</p>
<p>Thanks Randy!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying something goes straight over one&#039;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.

&lt;i&gt;I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#039;t think that is a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying something goes straight over one&#8217;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.</p>
<p><i>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</i></p>
<p>Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#8217;t think that is a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>liberal cartesian dualist is no more of an insult than socialist marxist dialectician.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we&#039;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.

I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.</p>
<p>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598596</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.&lt;/i&gt;

Shorter cummings: I&#039;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#039;t I&#039;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#039;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</i></p>
<p>Shorter cummings: I&#8217;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#8217;t I&#8217;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#8217;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598595</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. &lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t flatter yourself. You&#039;ve proven nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. </i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t flatter yourself. You&#8217;ve proven nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reg 

The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#039;s great book the Conquest of Cool...check it out.</description>
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<p>The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#8217;s great book the Conquest of Cool&#8230;check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any show that includes a reading from The Port Huron Statement in a Manhattan ad agency meeting circa 1962-63 gets my attention.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy - I&#039;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well - Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy &#8211; I&#8217;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well &#8211; Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: DanO</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&quot;

1) Um, no.

2)  See #1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&#8221;</p>
<p>1) Um, no.</p>
<p>2)  See #1.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?

There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living - and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing - i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#039;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#039;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  

Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#039;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#039;s more poverty now than in mao&#039;s time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?</p>
<p>There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living &#8211; and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing &#8211; i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#8217;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#8217;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  </p>
<p>Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#8217;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#8217;s more poverty now than in mao&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I get paid to do what I like, and even to fight the system.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598583</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#039;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene...

RP....I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#039;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.

I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes - despicable as they may be - that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#039;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#039;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &quot;quantifiable&quot; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#039;t prove what I&#039;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#8217;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene&#8230;</p>
<p>RP&#8230;.I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#8217;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.</p>
<p>I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes &#8211; despicable as they may be &#8211; that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#8217;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#8217;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &#8220;quantifiable&#8221; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#8217;t prove what I&#8217;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu DeNimm</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say empiricism was vulgar...god no.  I meant vulgar in the sense of reductionism.</description>
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		<title>By: sell and buy</title>
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		<description>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#039;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#039;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a term of art, so to speak - vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis...vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &quot;base and superstructure&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a term of art, so to speak &#8211; vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis&#8230;vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &#8220;base and superstructure&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took it to mean vulgar in the sense of being common.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say empiricism was vulgar...god no.  I meant vulgar in the sense of reductionism.</description>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gnebel:

My pleasure. &quot;Truthiness&quot; is bipartisan.</description>
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<p>My pleasure. &#8220;Truthiness&#8221; is bipartisan.</p>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
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		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn.  That&#039;s &quot;has already been decided upon&quot; to close my second graph.</description>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jc never disappoints.  Let&#039;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &quot;you demand &#039;quantifiable&#039; social scientific data&quot;--in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &quot;balance of forces&quot; based on the &quot;objective&quot; &quot;first principle of historical struggle.&quot;  (I&#039;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes--I&#039;m not as handy posting things as y&#039;all are.)

Hmm.  I think that&#039;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#039;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.

I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#039;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)

Thanks Randy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jc never disappoints.  Let&#8217;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &#8220;you demand &#8216;quantifiable&#8217; social scientific data&#8221;&#8211;in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &#8220;balance of forces&#8221; based on the &#8220;objective&#8221; &#8220;first principle of historical struggle.&#8221;  (I&#8217;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes&#8211;I&#8217;m not as handy posting things as y&#8217;all are.)</p>
<p>Hmm.  I think that&#8217;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#8217;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.</p>
<p>I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#8217;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)</p>
<p>Thanks Randy!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying something goes straight over one&#039;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.

&lt;i&gt;I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#039;t think that is a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying something goes straight over one&#8217;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.</p>
<p><i>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</i></p>
<p>Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#8217;t think that is a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>liberal cartesian dualist is no more of an insult than socialist marxist dialectician.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we&#039;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.

I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</description>
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<p>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598596</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.&lt;/i&gt;

Shorter cummings: I&#039;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#039;t I&#039;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#039;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</i></p>
<p>Shorter cummings: I&#8217;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#8217;t I&#8217;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#8217;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598595</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. &lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t flatter yourself. You&#039;ve proven nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. </i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t flatter yourself. You&#8217;ve proven nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598592</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reg 

The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#039;s great book the Conquest of Cool...check it out.</description>
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<p>The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#8217;s great book the Conquest of Cool&#8230;check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any show that includes a reading from The Port Huron Statement in a Manhattan ad agency meeting circa 1962-63 gets my attention.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy - I&#039;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well - Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy &#8211; I&#8217;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well &#8211; Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: DanO</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&quot;

1) Um, no.

2)  See #1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&#8221;</p>
<p>1) Um, no.</p>
<p>2)  See #1.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?

There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living - and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing - i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#039;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#039;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  

Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#039;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#039;s more poverty now than in mao&#039;s time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?</p>
<p>There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living &#8211; and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing &#8211; i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#8217;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#8217;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  </p>
<p>Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#8217;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#8217;s more poverty now than in mao&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I get paid to do what I like, and even to fight the system.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598583</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#039;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene...

RP....I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#039;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.

I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes - despicable as they may be - that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#039;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#039;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &quot;quantifiable&quot; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#039;t prove what I&#039;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#8217;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene&#8230;</p>
<p>RP&#8230;.I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#8217;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.</p>
<p>I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes &#8211; despicable as they may be &#8211; that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#8217;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#8217;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &#8220;quantifiable&#8221; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#8217;t prove what I&#8217;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu DeNimm</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598635</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gnebel:

My pleasure. &quot;Truthiness&quot; is bipartisan.</description>
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<p>My pleasure. &#8220;Truthiness&#8221; is bipartisan.</p>
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		<title>By: sell and buy</title>
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		<description>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#039;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#039;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#8217;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#8217;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a term of art, so to speak - vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis...vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &quot;base and superstructure&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a term of art, so to speak &#8211; vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis&#8230;vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &#8220;base and superstructure&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took it to mean vulgar in the sense of being common.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598698</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say empiricism was vulgar...god no.  I meant vulgar in the sense of reductionism.</description>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598635</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gnebel:

My pleasure. &quot;Truthiness&quot; is bipartisan.</description>
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<p>My pleasure. &#8220;Truthiness&#8221; is bipartisan.</p>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
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		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn.  That&#039;s &quot;has already been decided upon&quot; to close my second graph.</description>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
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		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jc never disappoints.  Let&#039;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &quot;you demand &#039;quantifiable&#039; social scientific data&quot;--in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &quot;balance of forces&quot; based on the &quot;objective&quot; &quot;first principle of historical struggle.&quot;  (I&#039;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes--I&#039;m not as handy posting things as y&#039;all are.)

Hmm.  I think that&#039;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#039;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.

I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#039;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)

Thanks Randy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jc never disappoints.  Let&#8217;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &#8220;you demand &#8216;quantifiable&#8217; social scientific data&#8221;&#8211;in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &#8220;balance of forces&#8221; based on the &#8220;objective&#8221; &#8220;first principle of historical struggle.&#8221;  (I&#8217;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes&#8211;I&#8217;m not as handy posting things as y&#8217;all are.)</p>
<p>Hmm.  I think that&#8217;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#8217;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.</p>
<p>I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#8217;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)</p>
<p>Thanks Randy!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598623</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying something goes straight over one&#039;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.

&lt;i&gt;I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#039;t think that is a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying something goes straight over one&#8217;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.</p>
<p><i>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</i></p>
<p>Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#8217;t think that is a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>liberal cartesian dualist is no more of an insult than socialist marxist dialectician.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598597</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we&#039;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.

I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.</p>
<p>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598596</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.&lt;/i&gt;

Shorter cummings: I&#039;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#039;t I&#039;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#039;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</i></p>
<p>Shorter cummings: I&#8217;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#8217;t I&#8217;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#8217;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598595</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. &lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t flatter yourself. You&#039;ve proven nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. </i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t flatter yourself. You&#8217;ve proven nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598592</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reg 

The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#039;s great book the Conquest of Cool...check it out.</description>
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<p>The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#8217;s great book the Conquest of Cool&#8230;check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598589</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any show that includes a reading from The Port Huron Statement in a Manhattan ad agency meeting circa 1962-63 gets my attention.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598588</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy - I&#039;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well - Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy &#8211; I&#8217;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well &#8211; Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: DanO</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&quot;

1) Um, no.

2)  See #1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&#8221;</p>
<p>1) Um, no.</p>
<p>2)  See #1.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?

There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living - and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing - i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#039;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#039;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  

Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#039;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#039;s more poverty now than in mao&#039;s time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?</p>
<p>There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living &#8211; and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing &#8211; i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#8217;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#8217;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  </p>
<p>Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#8217;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#8217;s more poverty now than in mao&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598584</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I get paid to do what I like, and even to fight the system.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598583</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#039;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene...

RP....I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#039;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.

I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes - despicable as they may be - that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#039;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#039;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &quot;quantifiable&quot; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#039;t prove what I&#039;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#8217;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene&#8230;</p>
<p>RP&#8230;.I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#8217;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.</p>
<p>I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes &#8211; despicable as they may be &#8211; that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#8217;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#8217;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &#8220;quantifiable&#8221; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#8217;t prove what I&#8217;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu DeNimm</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598632</link>
		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn.  That&#039;s &quot;has already been decided upon&quot; to close my second graph.</description>
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		<title>By: sell and buy</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-641414</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 03:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#039;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#039;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#8217;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#8217;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598747</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a term of art, so to speak - vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis...vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &quot;base and superstructure&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a term of art, so to speak &#8211; vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis&#8230;vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &#8220;base and superstructure&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598706</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took it to mean vulgar in the sense of being common.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598698</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say empiricism was vulgar...god no.  I meant vulgar in the sense of reductionism.</description>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598635</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gnebel:

My pleasure. &quot;Truthiness&quot; is bipartisan.</description>
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<p>My pleasure. &#8220;Truthiness&#8221; is bipartisan.</p>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598632</link>
		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn.  That&#039;s &quot;has already been decided upon&quot; to close my second graph.</description>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598631</link>
		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jc never disappoints.  Let&#039;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &quot;you demand &#039;quantifiable&#039; social scientific data&quot;--in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &quot;balance of forces&quot; based on the &quot;objective&quot; &quot;first principle of historical struggle.&quot;  (I&#039;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes--I&#039;m not as handy posting things as y&#039;all are.)

Hmm.  I think that&#039;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#039;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.

I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#039;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)

Thanks Randy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jc never disappoints.  Let&#8217;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &#8220;you demand &#8216;quantifiable&#8217; social scientific data&#8221;&#8211;in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &#8220;balance of forces&#8221; based on the &#8220;objective&#8221; &#8220;first principle of historical struggle.&#8221;  (I&#8217;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes&#8211;I&#8217;m not as handy posting things as y&#8217;all are.)</p>
<p>Hmm.  I think that&#8217;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#8217;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.</p>
<p>I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#8217;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)</p>
<p>Thanks Randy!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598623</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying something goes straight over one&#039;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.

&lt;i&gt;I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#039;t think that is a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying something goes straight over one&#8217;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.</p>
<p><i>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</i></p>
<p>Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#8217;t think that is a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>liberal cartesian dualist is no more of an insult than socialist marxist dialectician.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598597</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we&#039;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.

I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.</p>
<p>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598596</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.&lt;/i&gt;

Shorter cummings: I&#039;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#039;t I&#039;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#039;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</i></p>
<p>Shorter cummings: I&#8217;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#8217;t I&#8217;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#8217;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598595</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. &lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t flatter yourself. You&#039;ve proven nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. </i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t flatter yourself. You&#8217;ve proven nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598592</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reg 

The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#039;s great book the Conquest of Cool...check it out.</description>
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<p>The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#8217;s great book the Conquest of Cool&#8230;check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598589</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any show that includes a reading from The Port Huron Statement in a Manhattan ad agency meeting circa 1962-63 gets my attention.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598588</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy - I&#039;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well - Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy &#8211; I&#8217;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well &#8211; Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: DanO</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&quot;

1) Um, no.

2)  See #1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&#8221;</p>
<p>1) Um, no.</p>
<p>2)  See #1.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?

There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living - and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing - i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#039;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#039;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  

Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#039;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#039;s more poverty now than in mao&#039;s time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?</p>
<p>There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living &#8211; and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing &#8211; i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#8217;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#8217;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  </p>
<p>Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#8217;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#8217;s more poverty now than in mao&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I get paid to do what I like, and even to fight the system.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598583</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#039;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene...

RP....I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#039;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.

I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes - despicable as they may be - that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#039;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#039;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &quot;quantifiable&quot; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#039;t prove what I&#039;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#8217;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene&#8230;</p>
<p>RP&#8230;.I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#8217;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.</p>
<p>I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes &#8211; despicable as they may be &#8211; that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#8217;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#8217;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &#8220;quantifiable&#8221; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#8217;t prove what I&#8217;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu DeNimm</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598631</link>
		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jc never disappoints.  Let&#039;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &quot;you demand &#039;quantifiable&#039; social scientific data&quot;--in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &quot;balance of forces&quot; based on the &quot;objective&quot; &quot;first principle of historical struggle.&quot;  (I&#039;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes--I&#039;m not as handy posting things as y&#039;all are.)

Hmm.  I think that&#039;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#039;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.

I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#039;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)

Thanks Randy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jc never disappoints.  Let&#8217;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &#8220;you demand &#8216;quantifiable&#8217; social scientific data&#8221;&#8211;in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &#8220;balance of forces&#8221; based on the &#8220;objective&#8221; &#8220;first principle of historical struggle.&#8221;  (I&#8217;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes&#8211;I&#8217;m not as handy posting things as y&#8217;all are.)</p>
<p>Hmm.  I think that&#8217;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#8217;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.</p>
<p>I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#8217;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)</p>
<p>Thanks Randy!</p>
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		<title>By: sell and buy</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 03:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#039;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#039;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#8217;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#8217;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a term of art, so to speak - vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis...vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &quot;base and superstructure&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a term of art, so to speak &#8211; vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis&#8230;vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &#8220;base and superstructure&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598706</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took it to mean vulgar in the sense of being common.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598698</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say empiricism was vulgar...god no.  I meant vulgar in the sense of reductionism.</description>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598635</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gnebel:

My pleasure. &quot;Truthiness&quot; is bipartisan.</description>
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<p>My pleasure. &#8220;Truthiness&#8221; is bipartisan.</p>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598632</link>
		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn.  That&#039;s &quot;has already been decided upon&quot; to close my second graph.</description>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598631</link>
		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jc never disappoints.  Let&#039;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &quot;you demand &#039;quantifiable&#039; social scientific data&quot;--in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &quot;balance of forces&quot; based on the &quot;objective&quot; &quot;first principle of historical struggle.&quot;  (I&#039;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes--I&#039;m not as handy posting things as y&#039;all are.)

Hmm.  I think that&#039;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#039;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.

I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#039;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)

Thanks Randy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jc never disappoints.  Let&#8217;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &#8220;you demand &#8216;quantifiable&#8217; social scientific data&#8221;&#8211;in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &#8220;balance of forces&#8221; based on the &#8220;objective&#8221; &#8220;first principle of historical struggle.&#8221;  (I&#8217;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes&#8211;I&#8217;m not as handy posting things as y&#8217;all are.)</p>
<p>Hmm.  I think that&#8217;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#8217;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.</p>
<p>I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#8217;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)</p>
<p>Thanks Randy!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598623</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying something goes straight over one&#039;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.

&lt;i&gt;I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#039;t think that is a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying something goes straight over one&#8217;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.</p>
<p><i>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</i></p>
<p>Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#8217;t think that is a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>liberal cartesian dualist is no more of an insult than socialist marxist dialectician.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598597</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we&#039;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.

I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.</p>
<p>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598596</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.&lt;/i&gt;

Shorter cummings: I&#039;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#039;t I&#039;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#039;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</i></p>
<p>Shorter cummings: I&#8217;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#8217;t I&#8217;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#8217;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598595</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. &lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t flatter yourself. You&#039;ve proven nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. </i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t flatter yourself. You&#8217;ve proven nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reg 

The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#039;s great book the Conquest of Cool...check it out.</description>
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<p>The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#8217;s great book the Conquest of Cool&#8230;check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any show that includes a reading from The Port Huron Statement in a Manhattan ad agency meeting circa 1962-63 gets my attention.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598588</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy - I&#039;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well - Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy &#8211; I&#8217;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well &#8211; Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: DanO</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598587</link>
		<dc:creator>DanO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&quot;

1) Um, no.

2)  See #1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&#8221;</p>
<p>1) Um, no.</p>
<p>2)  See #1.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?

There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living - and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing - i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#039;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#039;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  

Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#039;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#039;s more poverty now than in mao&#039;s time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?</p>
<p>There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living &#8211; and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing &#8211; i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#8217;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#8217;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  </p>
<p>Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#8217;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#8217;s more poverty now than in mao&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I get paid to do what I like, and even to fight the system.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598583</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#039;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene...

RP....I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#039;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.

I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes - despicable as they may be - that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#039;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#039;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &quot;quantifiable&quot; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#039;t prove what I&#039;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#8217;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene&#8230;</p>
<p>RP&#8230;.I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#8217;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.</p>
<p>I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes &#8211; despicable as they may be &#8211; that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#8217;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#8217;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &#8220;quantifiable&#8221; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#8217;t prove what I&#8217;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu DeNimm</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598623</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying something goes straight over one&#039;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.

&lt;i&gt;I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#039;t think that is a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying something goes straight over one&#8217;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.</p>
<p><i>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</i></p>
<p>Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#8217;t think that is a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: sell and buy</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-641414</link>
		<dc:creator>sell and buy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 03:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#039;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#039;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#8217;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#8217;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598747</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a term of art, so to speak - vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis...vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &quot;base and superstructure&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a term of art, so to speak &#8211; vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis&#8230;vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &#8220;base and superstructure&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598706</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took it to mean vulgar in the sense of being common.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598698</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say empiricism was vulgar...god no.  I meant vulgar in the sense of reductionism.</description>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598635</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gnebel:

My pleasure. &quot;Truthiness&quot; is bipartisan.</description>
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<p>My pleasure. &#8220;Truthiness&#8221; is bipartisan.</p>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598632</link>
		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn.  That&#039;s &quot;has already been decided upon&quot; to close my second graph.</description>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598631</link>
		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jc never disappoints.  Let&#039;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &quot;you demand &#039;quantifiable&#039; social scientific data&quot;--in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &quot;balance of forces&quot; based on the &quot;objective&quot; &quot;first principle of historical struggle.&quot;  (I&#039;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes--I&#039;m not as handy posting things as y&#039;all are.)

Hmm.  I think that&#039;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#039;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.

I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#039;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)

Thanks Randy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jc never disappoints.  Let&#8217;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &#8220;you demand &#8216;quantifiable&#8217; social scientific data&#8221;&#8211;in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &#8220;balance of forces&#8221; based on the &#8220;objective&#8221; &#8220;first principle of historical struggle.&#8221;  (I&#8217;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes&#8211;I&#8217;m not as handy posting things as y&#8217;all are.)</p>
<p>Hmm.  I think that&#8217;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#8217;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.</p>
<p>I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#8217;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)</p>
<p>Thanks Randy!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598623</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying something goes straight over one&#039;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.

&lt;i&gt;I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#039;t think that is a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying something goes straight over one&#8217;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.</p>
<p><i>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</i></p>
<p>Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#8217;t think that is a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>liberal cartesian dualist is no more of an insult than socialist marxist dialectician.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598597</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we&#039;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.

I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.</p>
<p>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598596</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.&lt;/i&gt;

Shorter cummings: I&#039;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#039;t I&#039;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#039;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</i></p>
<p>Shorter cummings: I&#8217;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#8217;t I&#8217;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#8217;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598595</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. &lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t flatter yourself. You&#039;ve proven nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. </i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t flatter yourself. You&#8217;ve proven nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reg 

The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#039;s great book the Conquest of Cool...check it out.</description>
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<p>The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#8217;s great book the Conquest of Cool&#8230;check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any show that includes a reading from The Port Huron Statement in a Manhattan ad agency meeting circa 1962-63 gets my attention.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598588</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy - I&#039;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well - Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy &#8211; I&#8217;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well &#8211; Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: DanO</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598587</link>
		<dc:creator>DanO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&quot;

1) Um, no.

2)  See #1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&#8221;</p>
<p>1) Um, no.</p>
<p>2)  See #1.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?

There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living - and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing - i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#039;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#039;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  

Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#039;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#039;s more poverty now than in mao&#039;s time.</description>
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<p>There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living &#8211; and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing &#8211; i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#8217;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#8217;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  </p>
<p>Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#8217;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#8217;s more poverty now than in mao&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I get paid to do what I like, and even to fight the system.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#039;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene...

RP....I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#039;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.

I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes - despicable as they may be - that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#039;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#039;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &quot;quantifiable&quot; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#039;t prove what I&#039;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#8217;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene&#8230;</p>
<p>RP&#8230;.I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#8217;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.</p>
<p>I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes &#8211; despicable as they may be &#8211; that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#8217;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#8217;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &#8220;quantifiable&#8221; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#8217;t prove what I&#8217;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>liberal cartesian dualist is no more of an insult than socialist marxist dialectician.</description>
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		<title>By: sell and buy</title>
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		<description>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#039;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#039;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a term of art, so to speak - vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis...vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &quot;base and superstructure&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a term of art, so to speak &#8211; vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis&#8230;vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &#8220;base and superstructure&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took it to mean vulgar in the sense of being common.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say empiricism was vulgar...god no.  I meant vulgar in the sense of reductionism.</description>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gnebel:

My pleasure. &quot;Truthiness&quot; is bipartisan.</description>
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<p>My pleasure. &#8220;Truthiness&#8221; is bipartisan.</p>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn.  That&#039;s &quot;has already been decided upon&quot; to close my second graph.</description>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jc never disappoints.  Let&#039;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &quot;you demand &#039;quantifiable&#039; social scientific data&quot;--in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &quot;balance of forces&quot; based on the &quot;objective&quot; &quot;first principle of historical struggle.&quot;  (I&#039;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes--I&#039;m not as handy posting things as y&#039;all are.)

Hmm.  I think that&#039;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#039;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.

I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#039;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)

Thanks Randy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jc never disappoints.  Let&#8217;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &#8220;you demand &#8216;quantifiable&#8217; social scientific data&#8221;&#8211;in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &#8220;balance of forces&#8221; based on the &#8220;objective&#8221; &#8220;first principle of historical struggle.&#8221;  (I&#8217;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes&#8211;I&#8217;m not as handy posting things as y&#8217;all are.)</p>
<p>Hmm.  I think that&#8217;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#8217;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.</p>
<p>I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#8217;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)</p>
<p>Thanks Randy!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying something goes straight over one&#039;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.

&lt;i&gt;I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#039;t think that is a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying something goes straight over one&#8217;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.</p>
<p><i>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</i></p>
<p>Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#8217;t think that is a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>liberal cartesian dualist is no more of an insult than socialist marxist dialectician.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we&#039;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.

I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.</p>
<p>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.&lt;/i&gt;

Shorter cummings: I&#039;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#039;t I&#039;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#039;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</i></p>
<p>Shorter cummings: I&#8217;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#8217;t I&#8217;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#8217;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. &lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t flatter yourself. You&#039;ve proven nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. </i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t flatter yourself. You&#8217;ve proven nothing.</p>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reg 

The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#039;s great book the Conquest of Cool...check it out.</description>
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<p>The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#8217;s great book the Conquest of Cool&#8230;check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any show that includes a reading from The Port Huron Statement in a Manhattan ad agency meeting circa 1962-63 gets my attention.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy - I&#039;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well - Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy &#8211; I&#8217;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well &#8211; Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: DanO</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&quot;

1) Um, no.

2)  See #1.</description>
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<p>1) Um, no.</p>
<p>2)  See #1.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?

There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living - and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing - i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#039;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#039;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  

Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#039;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#039;s more poverty now than in mao&#039;s time.</description>
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<p>There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living &#8211; and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing &#8211; i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#8217;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#8217;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  </p>
<p>Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#8217;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#8217;s more poverty now than in mao&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I get paid to do what I like, and even to fight the system.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598583</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#039;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene...

RP....I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#039;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.

I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes - despicable as they may be - that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#039;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#039;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &quot;quantifiable&quot; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#039;t prove what I&#039;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#8217;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene&#8230;</p>
<p>RP&#8230;.I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#8217;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.</p>
<p>I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes &#8211; despicable as they may be &#8211; that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#8217;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#8217;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &#8220;quantifiable&#8221; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#8217;t prove what I&#8217;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu DeNimm</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598597</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we&#039;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.

I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.</p>
<p>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</p>
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		<title>By: sell and buy</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 03:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#039;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#039;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598747</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a term of art, so to speak - vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis...vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &quot;base and superstructure&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a term of art, so to speak &#8211; vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis&#8230;vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &#8220;base and superstructure&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598706</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took it to mean vulgar in the sense of being common.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598698</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say empiricism was vulgar...god no.  I meant vulgar in the sense of reductionism.</description>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598635</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gnebel:

My pleasure. &quot;Truthiness&quot; is bipartisan.</description>
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<p>My pleasure. &#8220;Truthiness&#8221; is bipartisan.</p>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598632</link>
		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn.  That&#039;s &quot;has already been decided upon&quot; to close my second graph.</description>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598631</link>
		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jc never disappoints.  Let&#039;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &quot;you demand &#039;quantifiable&#039; social scientific data&quot;--in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &quot;balance of forces&quot; based on the &quot;objective&quot; &quot;first principle of historical struggle.&quot;  (I&#039;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes--I&#039;m not as handy posting things as y&#039;all are.)

Hmm.  I think that&#039;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#039;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.

I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#039;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)

Thanks Randy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jc never disappoints.  Let&#8217;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &#8220;you demand &#8216;quantifiable&#8217; social scientific data&#8221;&#8211;in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &#8220;balance of forces&#8221; based on the &#8220;objective&#8221; &#8220;first principle of historical struggle.&#8221;  (I&#8217;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes&#8211;I&#8217;m not as handy posting things as y&#8217;all are.)</p>
<p>Hmm.  I think that&#8217;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#8217;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.</p>
<p>I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#8217;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)</p>
<p>Thanks Randy!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598623</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying something goes straight over one&#039;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.

&lt;i&gt;I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#039;t think that is a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying something goes straight over one&#8217;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.</p>
<p><i>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</i></p>
<p>Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#8217;t think that is a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>liberal cartesian dualist is no more of an insult than socialist marxist dialectician.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598597</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we&#039;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.

I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.</p>
<p>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598596</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.&lt;/i&gt;

Shorter cummings: I&#039;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#039;t I&#039;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#039;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</i></p>
<p>Shorter cummings: I&#8217;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#8217;t I&#8217;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#8217;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598595</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. &lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t flatter yourself. You&#039;ve proven nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. </i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t flatter yourself. You&#8217;ve proven nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reg 

The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#039;s great book the Conquest of Cool...check it out.</description>
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<p>The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#8217;s great book the Conquest of Cool&#8230;check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any show that includes a reading from The Port Huron Statement in a Manhattan ad agency meeting circa 1962-63 gets my attention.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy - I&#039;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well - Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy &#8211; I&#8217;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well &#8211; Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: DanO</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&quot;

1) Um, no.

2)  See #1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&#8221;</p>
<p>1) Um, no.</p>
<p>2)  See #1.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?

There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living - and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing - i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#039;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#039;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  

Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#039;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#039;s more poverty now than in mao&#039;s time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?</p>
<p>There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living &#8211; and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing &#8211; i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#8217;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#8217;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  </p>
<p>Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#8217;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#8217;s more poverty now than in mao&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I get paid to do what I like, and even to fight the system.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598583</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#039;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene...

RP....I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#039;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.

I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes - despicable as they may be - that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#039;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#039;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &quot;quantifiable&quot; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#039;t prove what I&#039;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#8217;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene&#8230;</p>
<p>RP&#8230;.I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#8217;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.</p>
<p>I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes &#8211; despicable as they may be &#8211; that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#8217;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#8217;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &#8220;quantifiable&#8221; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#8217;t prove what I&#8217;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu DeNimm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.&lt;/i&gt;

Shorter cummings: I&#039;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#039;t I&#039;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#039;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</i></p>
<p>Shorter cummings: I&#8217;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#8217;t I&#8217;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#8217;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: sell and buy</title>
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		<description>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#039;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#039;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a term of art, so to speak - vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis...vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &quot;base and superstructure&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a term of art, so to speak &#8211; vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis&#8230;vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &#8220;base and superstructure&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598706</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took it to mean vulgar in the sense of being common.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598698</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say empiricism was vulgar...god no.  I meant vulgar in the sense of reductionism.</description>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598635</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gnebel:

My pleasure. &quot;Truthiness&quot; is bipartisan.</description>
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<p>My pleasure. &#8220;Truthiness&#8221; is bipartisan.</p>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
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		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn.  That&#039;s &quot;has already been decided upon&quot; to close my second graph.</description>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
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		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jc never disappoints.  Let&#039;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &quot;you demand &#039;quantifiable&#039; social scientific data&quot;--in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &quot;balance of forces&quot; based on the &quot;objective&quot; &quot;first principle of historical struggle.&quot;  (I&#039;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes--I&#039;m not as handy posting things as y&#039;all are.)

Hmm.  I think that&#039;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#039;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.

I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#039;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)

Thanks Randy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jc never disappoints.  Let&#8217;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &#8220;you demand &#8216;quantifiable&#8217; social scientific data&#8221;&#8211;in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &#8220;balance of forces&#8221; based on the &#8220;objective&#8221; &#8220;first principle of historical struggle.&#8221;  (I&#8217;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes&#8211;I&#8217;m not as handy posting things as y&#8217;all are.)</p>
<p>Hmm.  I think that&#8217;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#8217;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.</p>
<p>I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#8217;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)</p>
<p>Thanks Randy!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying something goes straight over one&#039;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.

&lt;i&gt;I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#039;t think that is a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying something goes straight over one&#8217;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.</p>
<p><i>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</i></p>
<p>Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#8217;t think that is a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>liberal cartesian dualist is no more of an insult than socialist marxist dialectician.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we&#039;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.

I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.</p>
<p>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598596</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.&lt;/i&gt;

Shorter cummings: I&#039;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#039;t I&#039;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#039;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</i></p>
<p>Shorter cummings: I&#8217;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#8217;t I&#8217;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#8217;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598595</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. &lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t flatter yourself. You&#039;ve proven nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. </i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t flatter yourself. You&#8217;ve proven nothing.</p>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reg 

The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#039;s great book the Conquest of Cool...check it out.</description>
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<p>The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#8217;s great book the Conquest of Cool&#8230;check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any show that includes a reading from The Port Huron Statement in a Manhattan ad agency meeting circa 1962-63 gets my attention.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy - I&#039;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well - Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy &#8211; I&#8217;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well &#8211; Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: DanO</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&quot;

1) Um, no.

2)  See #1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&#8221;</p>
<p>1) Um, no.</p>
<p>2)  See #1.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?

There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living - and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing - i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#039;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#039;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  

Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#039;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#039;s more poverty now than in mao&#039;s time.</description>
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<p>There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living &#8211; and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing &#8211; i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#8217;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#8217;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  </p>
<p>Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#8217;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#8217;s more poverty now than in mao&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I get paid to do what I like, and even to fight the system.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#039;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene...

RP....I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#039;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.

I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes - despicable as they may be - that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#039;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#039;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &quot;quantifiable&quot; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#039;t prove what I&#039;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#8217;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene&#8230;</p>
<p>RP&#8230;.I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#8217;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.</p>
<p>I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes &#8211; despicable as they may be &#8211; that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#8217;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#8217;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &#8220;quantifiable&#8221; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#8217;t prove what I&#8217;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu DeNimm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. &lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t flatter yourself. You&#039;ve proven nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. </i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t flatter yourself. You&#8217;ve proven nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: sell and buy</title>
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		<description>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#039;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#039;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a term of art, so to speak - vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis...vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &quot;base and superstructure&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a term of art, so to speak &#8211; vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis&#8230;vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &#8220;base and superstructure&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took it to mean vulgar in the sense of being common.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say empiricism was vulgar...god no.  I meant vulgar in the sense of reductionism.</description>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gnebel:

My pleasure. &quot;Truthiness&quot; is bipartisan.</description>
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<p>My pleasure. &#8220;Truthiness&#8221; is bipartisan.</p>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
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		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn.  That&#039;s &quot;has already been decided upon&quot; to close my second graph.</description>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jc never disappoints.  Let&#039;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &quot;you demand &#039;quantifiable&#039; social scientific data&quot;--in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &quot;balance of forces&quot; based on the &quot;objective&quot; &quot;first principle of historical struggle.&quot;  (I&#039;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes--I&#039;m not as handy posting things as y&#039;all are.)

Hmm.  I think that&#039;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#039;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.

I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#039;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)

Thanks Randy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jc never disappoints.  Let&#8217;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &#8220;you demand &#8216;quantifiable&#8217; social scientific data&#8221;&#8211;in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &#8220;balance of forces&#8221; based on the &#8220;objective&#8221; &#8220;first principle of historical struggle.&#8221;  (I&#8217;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes&#8211;I&#8217;m not as handy posting things as y&#8217;all are.)</p>
<p>Hmm.  I think that&#8217;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#8217;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.</p>
<p>I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#8217;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)</p>
<p>Thanks Randy!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying something goes straight over one&#039;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.

&lt;i&gt;I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#039;t think that is a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying something goes straight over one&#8217;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.</p>
<p><i>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</i></p>
<p>Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#8217;t think that is a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>liberal cartesian dualist is no more of an insult than socialist marxist dialectician.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we&#039;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.

I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.</p>
<p>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.&lt;/i&gt;

Shorter cummings: I&#039;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#039;t I&#039;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#039;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</i></p>
<p>Shorter cummings: I&#8217;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#8217;t I&#8217;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#8217;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. &lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t flatter yourself. You&#039;ve proven nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. </i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t flatter yourself. You&#8217;ve proven nothing.</p>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reg 

The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#039;s great book the Conquest of Cool...check it out.</description>
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<p>The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#8217;s great book the Conquest of Cool&#8230;check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any show that includes a reading from The Port Huron Statement in a Manhattan ad agency meeting circa 1962-63 gets my attention.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy - I&#039;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well - Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy &#8211; I&#8217;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well &#8211; Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&quot;

1) Um, no.

2)  See #1.</description>
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<p>1) Um, no.</p>
<p>2)  See #1.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?

There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living - and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing - i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#039;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#039;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  

Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#039;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#039;s more poverty now than in mao&#039;s time.</description>
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<p>There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living &#8211; and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing &#8211; i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#8217;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#8217;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  </p>
<p>Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#8217;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#8217;s more poverty now than in mao&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I get paid to do what I like, and even to fight the system.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#039;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene...

RP....I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#039;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.

I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes - despicable as they may be - that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#039;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#039;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &quot;quantifiable&quot; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#039;t prove what I&#039;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#8217;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene&#8230;</p>
<p>RP&#8230;.I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#8217;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.</p>
<p>I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes &#8211; despicable as they may be &#8211; that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#8217;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#8217;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &#8220;quantifiable&#8221; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#8217;t prove what I&#8217;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu DeNimm</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reg 

The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#039;s great book the Conquest of Cool...check it out.</description>
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<p>The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#8217;s great book the Conquest of Cool&#8230;check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: sell and buy</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-641414</link>
		<dc:creator>sell and buy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 03:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#039;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#039;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#8217;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#8217;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a term of art, so to speak - vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis...vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &quot;base and superstructure&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a term of art, so to speak &#8211; vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis&#8230;vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &#8220;base and superstructure&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took it to mean vulgar in the sense of being common.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say empiricism was vulgar...god no.  I meant vulgar in the sense of reductionism.</description>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gnebel:

My pleasure. &quot;Truthiness&quot; is bipartisan.</description>
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<p>My pleasure. &#8220;Truthiness&#8221; is bipartisan.</p>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn.  That&#039;s &quot;has already been decided upon&quot; to close my second graph.</description>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jc never disappoints.  Let&#039;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &quot;you demand &#039;quantifiable&#039; social scientific data&quot;--in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &quot;balance of forces&quot; based on the &quot;objective&quot; &quot;first principle of historical struggle.&quot;  (I&#039;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes--I&#039;m not as handy posting things as y&#039;all are.)

Hmm.  I think that&#039;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#039;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.

I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#039;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)

Thanks Randy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jc never disappoints.  Let&#8217;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &#8220;you demand &#8216;quantifiable&#8217; social scientific data&#8221;&#8211;in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &#8220;balance of forces&#8221; based on the &#8220;objective&#8221; &#8220;first principle of historical struggle.&#8221;  (I&#8217;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes&#8211;I&#8217;m not as handy posting things as y&#8217;all are.)</p>
<p>Hmm.  I think that&#8217;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#8217;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.</p>
<p>I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#8217;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)</p>
<p>Thanks Randy!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying something goes straight over one&#039;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.

&lt;i&gt;I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#039;t think that is a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying something goes straight over one&#8217;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.</p>
<p><i>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</i></p>
<p>Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#8217;t think that is a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>liberal cartesian dualist is no more of an insult than socialist marxist dialectician.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we&#039;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.

I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.</p>
<p>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.&lt;/i&gt;

Shorter cummings: I&#039;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#039;t I&#039;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#039;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</i></p>
<p>Shorter cummings: I&#8217;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#8217;t I&#8217;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#8217;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. &lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t flatter yourself. You&#039;ve proven nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. </i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t flatter yourself. You&#8217;ve proven nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reg 

The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#039;s great book the Conquest of Cool...check it out.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any show that includes a reading from The Port Huron Statement in a Manhattan ad agency meeting circa 1962-63 gets my attention.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy - I&#039;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well - Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy &#8211; I&#8217;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well &#8211; Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: DanO</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&quot;

1) Um, no.

2)  See #1.</description>
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<p>1) Um, no.</p>
<p>2)  See #1.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?

There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living - and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing - i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#039;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#039;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  

Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#039;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#039;s more poverty now than in mao&#039;s time.</description>
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<p>There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living &#8211; and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing &#8211; i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#8217;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#8217;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  </p>
<p>Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#8217;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#8217;s more poverty now than in mao&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I get paid to do what I like, and even to fight the system.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#039;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene...

RP....I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#039;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.

I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes - despicable as they may be - that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#039;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#039;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &quot;quantifiable&quot; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#039;t prove what I&#039;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#8217;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene&#8230;</p>
<p>RP&#8230;.I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#8217;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.</p>
<p>I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes &#8211; despicable as they may be &#8211; that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#8217;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#8217;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &#8220;quantifiable&#8221; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#8217;t prove what I&#8217;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</p>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any show that includes a reading from The Port Huron Statement in a Manhattan ad agency meeting circa 1962-63 gets my attention.</description>
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		<description>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#039;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#039;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#8217;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#8217;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a term of art, so to speak - vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis...vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &quot;base and superstructure&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a term of art, so to speak &#8211; vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis&#8230;vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &#8220;base and superstructure&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598706</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took it to mean vulgar in the sense of being common.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say empiricism was vulgar...god no.  I meant vulgar in the sense of reductionism.</description>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598635</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gnebel:

My pleasure. &quot;Truthiness&quot; is bipartisan.</description>
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<p>My pleasure. &#8220;Truthiness&#8221; is bipartisan.</p>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn.  That&#039;s &quot;has already been decided upon&quot; to close my second graph.</description>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jc never disappoints.  Let&#039;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &quot;you demand &#039;quantifiable&#039; social scientific data&quot;--in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &quot;balance of forces&quot; based on the &quot;objective&quot; &quot;first principle of historical struggle.&quot;  (I&#039;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes--I&#039;m not as handy posting things as y&#039;all are.)

Hmm.  I think that&#039;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#039;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.

I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#039;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)

Thanks Randy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jc never disappoints.  Let&#8217;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &#8220;you demand &#8216;quantifiable&#8217; social scientific data&#8221;&#8211;in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &#8220;balance of forces&#8221; based on the &#8220;objective&#8221; &#8220;first principle of historical struggle.&#8221;  (I&#8217;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes&#8211;I&#8217;m not as handy posting things as y&#8217;all are.)</p>
<p>Hmm.  I think that&#8217;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#8217;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.</p>
<p>I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#8217;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)</p>
<p>Thanks Randy!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598623</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying something goes straight over one&#039;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.

&lt;i&gt;I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#039;t think that is a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying something goes straight over one&#8217;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.</p>
<p><i>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</i></p>
<p>Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#8217;t think that is a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>liberal cartesian dualist is no more of an insult than socialist marxist dialectician.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we&#039;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.

I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.</p>
<p>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.&lt;/i&gt;

Shorter cummings: I&#039;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#039;t I&#039;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#039;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</i></p>
<p>Shorter cummings: I&#8217;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#8217;t I&#8217;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#8217;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598595</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. &lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t flatter yourself. You&#039;ve proven nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. </i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t flatter yourself. You&#8217;ve proven nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reg 

The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#039;s great book the Conquest of Cool...check it out.</description>
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<p>The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#8217;s great book the Conquest of Cool&#8230;check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any show that includes a reading from The Port Huron Statement in a Manhattan ad agency meeting circa 1962-63 gets my attention.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy - I&#039;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well - Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy &#8211; I&#8217;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well &#8211; Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: DanO</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&quot;

1) Um, no.

2)  See #1.</description>
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<p>1) Um, no.</p>
<p>2)  See #1.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?

There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living - and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing - i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#039;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#039;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  

Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#039;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#039;s more poverty now than in mao&#039;s time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?</p>
<p>There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living &#8211; and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing &#8211; i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#8217;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#8217;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  </p>
<p>Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#8217;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#8217;s more poverty now than in mao&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I get paid to do what I like, and even to fight the system.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598583</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#039;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene...

RP....I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#039;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.

I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes - despicable as they may be - that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#039;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#039;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &quot;quantifiable&quot; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#039;t prove what I&#039;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#8217;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene&#8230;</p>
<p>RP&#8230;.I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#8217;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.</p>
<p>I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes &#8211; despicable as they may be &#8211; that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#8217;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#8217;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &#8220;quantifiable&#8221; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#8217;t prove what I&#8217;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</p>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy - I&#039;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well - Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</description>
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		<description>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#039;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#039;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a term of art, so to speak - vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis...vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &quot;base and superstructure&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a term of art, so to speak &#8211; vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis&#8230;vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &#8220;base and superstructure&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took it to mean vulgar in the sense of being common.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say empiricism was vulgar...god no.  I meant vulgar in the sense of reductionism.</description>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598635</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gnebel:

My pleasure. &quot;Truthiness&quot; is bipartisan.</description>
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<p>My pleasure. &#8220;Truthiness&#8221; is bipartisan.</p>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598632</link>
		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn.  That&#039;s &quot;has already been decided upon&quot; to close my second graph.</description>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598631</link>
		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jc never disappoints.  Let&#039;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &quot;you demand &#039;quantifiable&#039; social scientific data&quot;--in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &quot;balance of forces&quot; based on the &quot;objective&quot; &quot;first principle of historical struggle.&quot;  (I&#039;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes--I&#039;m not as handy posting things as y&#039;all are.)

Hmm.  I think that&#039;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#039;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.

I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#039;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)

Thanks Randy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jc never disappoints.  Let&#8217;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &#8220;you demand &#8216;quantifiable&#8217; social scientific data&#8221;&#8211;in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &#8220;balance of forces&#8221; based on the &#8220;objective&#8221; &#8220;first principle of historical struggle.&#8221;  (I&#8217;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes&#8211;I&#8217;m not as handy posting things as y&#8217;all are.)</p>
<p>Hmm.  I think that&#8217;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#8217;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.</p>
<p>I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#8217;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)</p>
<p>Thanks Randy!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598623</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying something goes straight over one&#039;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.

&lt;i&gt;I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#039;t think that is a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying something goes straight over one&#8217;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.</p>
<p><i>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</i></p>
<p>Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#8217;t think that is a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>liberal cartesian dualist is no more of an insult than socialist marxist dialectician.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we&#039;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.

I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.</p>
<p>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598596</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.&lt;/i&gt;

Shorter cummings: I&#039;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#039;t I&#039;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#039;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</i></p>
<p>Shorter cummings: I&#8217;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#8217;t I&#8217;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#8217;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598595</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. &lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t flatter yourself. You&#039;ve proven nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. </i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t flatter yourself. You&#8217;ve proven nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598592</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reg 

The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#039;s great book the Conquest of Cool...check it out.</description>
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<p>The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#8217;s great book the Conquest of Cool&#8230;check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any show that includes a reading from The Port Huron Statement in a Manhattan ad agency meeting circa 1962-63 gets my attention.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598588</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy - I&#039;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well - Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy &#8211; I&#8217;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well &#8211; Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: DanO</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&quot;

1) Um, no.

2)  See #1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&#8221;</p>
<p>1) Um, no.</p>
<p>2)  See #1.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598585</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?

There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living - and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing - i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#039;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#039;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  

Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#039;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#039;s more poverty now than in mao&#039;s time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?</p>
<p>There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living &#8211; and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing &#8211; i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#8217;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#8217;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  </p>
<p>Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#8217;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#8217;s more poverty now than in mao&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598584</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I get paid to do what I like, and even to fight the system.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598583</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#039;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene...

RP....I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#039;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.

I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes - despicable as they may be - that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#039;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#039;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &quot;quantifiable&quot; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#039;t prove what I&#039;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#8217;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene&#8230;</p>
<p>RP&#8230;.I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#8217;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.</p>
<p>I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes &#8211; despicable as they may be &#8211; that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#8217;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#8217;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &#8220;quantifiable&#8221; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#8217;t prove what I&#8217;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu DeNimm</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&quot;

1) Um, no.

2)  See #1.</description>
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<p>1) Um, no.</p>
<p>2)  See #1.</p>
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		<description>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#039;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#039;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a term of art, so to speak - vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis...vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &quot;base and superstructure&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a term of art, so to speak &#8211; vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis&#8230;vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &#8220;base and superstructure&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took it to mean vulgar in the sense of being common.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598698</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say empiricism was vulgar...god no.  I meant vulgar in the sense of reductionism.</description>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598635</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gnebel:

My pleasure. &quot;Truthiness&quot; is bipartisan.</description>
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<p>My pleasure. &#8220;Truthiness&#8221; is bipartisan.</p>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598632</link>
		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn.  That&#039;s &quot;has already been decided upon&quot; to close my second graph.</description>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
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		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jc never disappoints.  Let&#039;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &quot;you demand &#039;quantifiable&#039; social scientific data&quot;--in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &quot;balance of forces&quot; based on the &quot;objective&quot; &quot;first principle of historical struggle.&quot;  (I&#039;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes--I&#039;m not as handy posting things as y&#039;all are.)

Hmm.  I think that&#039;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#039;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.

I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#039;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)

Thanks Randy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jc never disappoints.  Let&#8217;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &#8220;you demand &#8216;quantifiable&#8217; social scientific data&#8221;&#8211;in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &#8220;balance of forces&#8221; based on the &#8220;objective&#8221; &#8220;first principle of historical struggle.&#8221;  (I&#8217;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes&#8211;I&#8217;m not as handy posting things as y&#8217;all are.)</p>
<p>Hmm.  I think that&#8217;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#8217;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.</p>
<p>I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#8217;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)</p>
<p>Thanks Randy!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying something goes straight over one&#039;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.

&lt;i&gt;I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#039;t think that is a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying something goes straight over one&#8217;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.</p>
<p><i>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</i></p>
<p>Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#8217;t think that is a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>liberal cartesian dualist is no more of an insult than socialist marxist dialectician.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we&#039;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.

I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.</p>
<p>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.&lt;/i&gt;

Shorter cummings: I&#039;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#039;t I&#039;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#039;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</i></p>
<p>Shorter cummings: I&#8217;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#8217;t I&#8217;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#8217;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. &lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t flatter yourself. You&#039;ve proven nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. </i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t flatter yourself. You&#8217;ve proven nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598592</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reg 

The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#039;s great book the Conquest of Cool...check it out.</description>
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<p>The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#8217;s great book the Conquest of Cool&#8230;check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any show that includes a reading from The Port Huron Statement in a Manhattan ad agency meeting circa 1962-63 gets my attention.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy - I&#039;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well - Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy &#8211; I&#8217;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well &#8211; Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: DanO</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&quot;

1) Um, no.

2)  See #1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&#8221;</p>
<p>1) Um, no.</p>
<p>2)  See #1.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?

There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living - and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing - i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#039;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#039;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  

Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#039;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#039;s more poverty now than in mao&#039;s time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?</p>
<p>There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living &#8211; and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing &#8211; i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#8217;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#8217;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  </p>
<p>Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#8217;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#8217;s more poverty now than in mao&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I get paid to do what I like, and even to fight the system.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598583</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#039;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene...

RP....I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#039;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.

I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes - despicable as they may be - that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#039;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#039;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &quot;quantifiable&quot; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#039;t prove what I&#039;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#8217;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene&#8230;</p>
<p>RP&#8230;.I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#8217;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.</p>
<p>I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes &#8211; despicable as they may be &#8211; that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#8217;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#8217;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &#8220;quantifiable&#8221; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#8217;t prove what I&#8217;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu DeNimm</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?

There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living - and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing - i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#039;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#039;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  

Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#039;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#039;s more poverty now than in mao&#039;s time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?</p>
<p>There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living &#8211; and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing &#8211; i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#8217;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#8217;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  </p>
<p>Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#8217;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#8217;s more poverty now than in mao&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<description>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#039;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#039;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a term of art, so to speak - vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis...vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &quot;base and superstructure&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a term of art, so to speak &#8211; vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis&#8230;vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &#8220;base and superstructure&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took it to mean vulgar in the sense of being common.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say empiricism was vulgar...god no.  I meant vulgar in the sense of reductionism.</description>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gnebel:

My pleasure. &quot;Truthiness&quot; is bipartisan.</description>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
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		<dc:creator>gnebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn.  That&#039;s &quot;has already been decided upon&quot; to close my second graph.</description>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jc never disappoints.  Let&#039;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &quot;you demand &#039;quantifiable&#039; social scientific data&quot;--in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &quot;balance of forces&quot; based on the &quot;objective&quot; &quot;first principle of historical struggle.&quot;  (I&#039;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes--I&#039;m not as handy posting things as y&#039;all are.)

Hmm.  I think that&#039;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#039;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.

I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#039;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)

Thanks Randy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jc never disappoints.  Let&#8217;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &#8220;you demand &#8216;quantifiable&#8217; social scientific data&#8221;&#8211;in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &#8220;balance of forces&#8221; based on the &#8220;objective&#8221; &#8220;first principle of historical struggle.&#8221;  (I&#8217;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes&#8211;I&#8217;m not as handy posting things as y&#8217;all are.)</p>
<p>Hmm.  I think that&#8217;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#8217;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.</p>
<p>I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#8217;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)</p>
<p>Thanks Randy!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying something goes straight over one&#039;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.

&lt;i&gt;I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#039;t think that is a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying something goes straight over one&#8217;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.</p>
<p><i>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</i></p>
<p>Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#8217;t think that is a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>liberal cartesian dualist is no more of an insult than socialist marxist dialectician.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we&#039;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.

I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.</p>
<p>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598596</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.&lt;/i&gt;

Shorter cummings: I&#039;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#039;t I&#039;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#039;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</i></p>
<p>Shorter cummings: I&#8217;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#8217;t I&#8217;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#8217;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598595</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. &lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t flatter yourself. You&#039;ve proven nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. </i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t flatter yourself. You&#8217;ve proven nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reg 

The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#039;s great book the Conquest of Cool...check it out.</description>
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<p>The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#8217;s great book the Conquest of Cool&#8230;check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any show that includes a reading from The Port Huron Statement in a Manhattan ad agency meeting circa 1962-63 gets my attention.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy - I&#039;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well - Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy &#8211; I&#8217;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well &#8211; Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: DanO</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&quot;

1) Um, no.

2)  See #1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&#8221;</p>
<p>1) Um, no.</p>
<p>2)  See #1.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?

There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living - and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing - i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#039;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#039;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  

Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#039;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#039;s more poverty now than in mao&#039;s time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?</p>
<p>There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living &#8211; and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing &#8211; i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#8217;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#8217;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  </p>
<p>Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#8217;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#8217;s more poverty now than in mao&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I get paid to do what I like, and even to fight the system.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598583</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#039;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene...

RP....I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#039;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.

I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes - despicable as they may be - that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#039;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#039;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &quot;quantifiable&quot; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#039;t prove what I&#039;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#8217;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene&#8230;</p>
<p>RP&#8230;.I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#8217;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.</p>
<p>I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes &#8211; despicable as they may be &#8211; that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#8217;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#8217;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &#8220;quantifiable&#8221; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#8217;t prove what I&#8217;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</p>
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		<description>And I get paid to do what I like, and even to fight the system.</description>
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		<description>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#039;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#039;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a term of art, so to speak - vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis...vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &quot;base and superstructure&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a term of art, so to speak &#8211; vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis&#8230;vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &#8220;base and superstructure&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took it to mean vulgar in the sense of being common.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say empiricism was vulgar...god no.  I meant vulgar in the sense of reductionism.</description>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gnebel:

My pleasure. &quot;Truthiness&quot; is bipartisan.</description>
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<p>My pleasure. &#8220;Truthiness&#8221; is bipartisan.</p>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn.  That&#039;s &quot;has already been decided upon&quot; to close my second graph.</description>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jc never disappoints.  Let&#039;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &quot;you demand &#039;quantifiable&#039; social scientific data&quot;--in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &quot;balance of forces&quot; based on the &quot;objective&quot; &quot;first principle of historical struggle.&quot;  (I&#039;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes--I&#039;m not as handy posting things as y&#039;all are.)

Hmm.  I think that&#039;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#039;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.

I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#039;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)

Thanks Randy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jc never disappoints.  Let&#8217;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &#8220;you demand &#8216;quantifiable&#8217; social scientific data&#8221;&#8211;in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &#8220;balance of forces&#8221; based on the &#8220;objective&#8221; &#8220;first principle of historical struggle.&#8221;  (I&#8217;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes&#8211;I&#8217;m not as handy posting things as y&#8217;all are.)</p>
<p>Hmm.  I think that&#8217;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#8217;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.</p>
<p>I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#8217;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)</p>
<p>Thanks Randy!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying something goes straight over one&#039;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.

&lt;i&gt;I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#039;t think that is a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying something goes straight over one&#8217;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.</p>
<p><i>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</i></p>
<p>Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#8217;t think that is a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>liberal cartesian dualist is no more of an insult than socialist marxist dialectician.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we&#039;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.

I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.</p>
<p>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.&lt;/i&gt;

Shorter cummings: I&#039;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#039;t I&#039;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#039;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</i></p>
<p>Shorter cummings: I&#8217;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#8217;t I&#8217;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#8217;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</p>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. &lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t flatter yourself. You&#039;ve proven nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. </i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t flatter yourself. You&#8217;ve proven nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reg 

The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#039;s great book the Conquest of Cool...check it out.</description>
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<p>The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#8217;s great book the Conquest of Cool&#8230;check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any show that includes a reading from The Port Huron Statement in a Manhattan ad agency meeting circa 1962-63 gets my attention.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy - I&#039;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well - Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy &#8211; I&#8217;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well &#8211; Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: DanO</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&quot;

1) Um, no.

2)  See #1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&#8221;</p>
<p>1) Um, no.</p>
<p>2)  See #1.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?

There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living - and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing - i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#039;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#039;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  

Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#039;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#039;s more poverty now than in mao&#039;s time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?</p>
<p>There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living &#8211; and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing &#8211; i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#8217;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#8217;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  </p>
<p>Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#8217;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#8217;s more poverty now than in mao&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I get paid to do what I like, and even to fight the system.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598583</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#039;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene...

RP....I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#039;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.

I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes - despicable as they may be - that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#039;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#039;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &quot;quantifiable&quot; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#039;t prove what I&#039;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#8217;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene&#8230;</p>
<p>RP&#8230;.I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#8217;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.</p>
<p>I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes &#8211; despicable as they may be &#8211; that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#8217;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#8217;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &#8220;quantifiable&#8221; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#8217;t prove what I&#8217;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu DeNimm</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#039;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene...

RP....I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#039;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.

I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes - despicable as they may be - that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#039;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#039;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &quot;quantifiable&quot; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#039;t prove what I&#039;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#8217;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene&#8230;</p>
<p>RP&#8230;.I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#8217;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.</p>
<p>I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes &#8211; despicable as they may be &#8211; that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#8217;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#8217;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &#8220;quantifiable&#8221; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#8217;t prove what I&#8217;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</p>
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		<title>By: sell and buy</title>
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		<description>Excellent goods from you, man. I&#039;ve understand your stuff previous to and you&#039;re just too excellent. I really like what you have acquired here, certainly like what you are stating and the way in which you say it. You make it entertaining and you still take care of to keep it sensible. I can not wait to read much more from you. This is actually a great website.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a term of art, so to speak - vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis...vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &quot;base and superstructure&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a term of art, so to speak &#8211; vulgar as in when someone simply explains EVERYTHING by virtue of a particularly mode of analysis&#8230;vulgar marxism would be simply reductionist thinking that reduces all human phenomena to &#8220;base and superstructure&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took it to mean vulgar in the sense of being common.</description>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say empiricism was vulgar...god no.  I meant vulgar in the sense of reductionism.</description>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gnebel:

My pleasure. &quot;Truthiness&quot; is bipartisan.</description>
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<p>My pleasure. &#8220;Truthiness&#8221; is bipartisan.</p>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn.  That&#039;s &quot;has already been decided upon&quot; to close my second graph.</description>
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		<title>By: gnebel</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jc never disappoints.  Let&#039;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &quot;you demand &#039;quantifiable&#039; social scientific data&quot;--in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &quot;balance of forces&quot; based on the &quot;objective&quot; &quot;first principle of historical struggle.&quot;  (I&#039;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes--I&#039;m not as handy posting things as y&#039;all are.)

Hmm.  I think that&#039;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#039;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.

I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#039;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)

Thanks Randy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jc never disappoints.  Let&#8217;s do some of that close reading he likes, Randy:  &#8220;you demand &#8216;quantifiable&#8217; social scientific data&#8221;&#8211;in other words, empirical information.  jc looks at the &#8220;balance of forces&#8221; based on the &#8220;objective&#8221; &#8220;first principle of historical struggle.&#8221;  (I&#8217;m using the quotes not as scare quotes but as direct jc quotes&#8211;I&#8217;m not as handy posting things as y&#8217;all are.)</p>
<p>Hmm.  I think that&#8217;s exactly what Bush et al. did in getting us into Iraq.  Actual information doesn&#8217;t matter, because the objective first principle (for jc, class struggle, for Bush, freedom) has already decided upon.</p>
<p>I would worry about jc except his continual alienation of everybody pretty much assures he&#8217;ll never have any power.  (Woody too.)</p>
<p>Thanks Randy!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying something goes straight over one&#039;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.

&lt;i&gt;I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#039;t think that is a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying something goes straight over one&#8217;s head, does. BTW, as someone who has a non-academic job, I spend most of my time solving problems. My approach is about 90% oriented towards a dialectical analysis of the problem at hand.</p>
<p><i>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</i></p>
<p>Actually, you dropped some names. As for empiricism being vulgar, it is only so in the sense of being common, but it is the basis for science, medicine and the law among other disciplines. Somehow I don&#8217;t think that is a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598598</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>liberal cartesian dualist is no more of an insult than socialist marxist dialectician.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>liberal cartesian dualist is no more of an insult than socialist marxist dialectician.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598597</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we&#039;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.

I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point - I repeat - is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;ve proven own points to ourselves.  Ontological difference.</p>
<p>I did point you in a direction to prove my point but since my point &#8211; I repeat &#8211; is based on analysis and how it is possible to read the activitiy of neutral liberal ngos.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598596</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.&lt;/i&gt;

Shorter cummings: I&#039;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#039;t I&#039;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#039;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses- which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</i></p>
<p>Shorter cummings: I&#8217;m going to pretend like I have an answer, but in fact, I really don&#8217;t I&#8217;ll just hurl an insult your way and go on pretending that I don&#8217;t have to prove anything, but you have to prove a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598595</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. &lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t flatter yourself. You&#039;ve proven nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>RP….I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me. </i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t flatter yourself. You&#8217;ve proven nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598592</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reg 

The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#039;s great book the Conquest of Cool...check it out.</description>
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<p>The show is clearly based on Tom Frank&#8217;s great book the Conquest of Cool&#8230;check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598589</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any show that includes a reading from The Port Huron Statement in a Manhattan ad agency meeting circa 1962-63 gets my attention.</description>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598588</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy - I&#039;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well - Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy &#8211; I&#8217;m almost embarrassed to admit I was mostly referring to my hope that Mad Men ran the Emmys last night. I think they did pretty well &#8211; Best dramatic series and some other stuff. I know the Emmys are a joke and the show sucks, but this will help draw a larger audience, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: DanO</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&quot;

1) Um, no.

2)  See #1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.&#8221;</p>
<p>1) Um, no.</p>
<p>2)  See #1.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598585</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?

There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living - and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing - i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#039;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#039;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  

Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#039;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#039;s more poverty now than in mao&#039;s time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you justify the huge differences in standard-of-living between capitalistic countries and communist ones?</p>
<p>There are not communist countries.  Non-capitalist countries during the cold war had a variety of standards of living &#8211; and it certainly was higher in the GDR than in Burundi.  That said, it is impossible to prove whether or not a post-capitalist system can work since capital is totalizing &#8211; i.e. the Soviets still had to sell their diamonds on the international market dictated by capitalist values.  I&#8217;m not a Trotskyist, but I think he was right when he asserted that you can&#8217;t have socialism in one country.  Socialism must be international.  </p>
<p>Social Democracies, on the other hand, have a far higher standard of living than laissez faire countries like the U.S.  And China sucked no matter what economic system they&#8217;ve had since the cultural revolution, but there&#8217;s more poverty now than in mao&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598584</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I get paid to do what I like, and even to fight the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I get paid to do what I like, and even to fight the system.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/hugo-again/comment-page-3/#comment-598583</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#039;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene...

RP....I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#039;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.

I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes - despicable as they may be - that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#039;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#039;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &quot;quantifiable&quot; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#039;t prove what I&#039;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were - will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with reg on Mad Men.  I never thought I&#8217;d enjoy TV after the onion ring scene&#8230;</p>
<p>RP&#8230;.I really think that people who demand I prove my points here in a fucking blog comments area feel threatened by me.  I have no evidence otherwise, and I&#8217;m fine by applying the same callous attitiude towards you as you do to me.  I had a 12 hour day of serious inquiry and political organizing.  Whatever can be said about my beliefs, I actually implement them, both theoretically and practically.</p>
<p>I respect Human Rights Watch.  I think most of what they do is good.  That being said, they are simply able, by own analysis, and by that of Jean Bricmont, Samir Amin and others who have written on the issue, that the focus of their work enables them to command more resources and or media attention and or fundraising by virtue of their work highlighting human rights abuses in regimes &#8211; despicable as they may be &#8211; that oppose US policy than in regimes that don&#8217;t.  My evidence is not based on vulgar empiricism but on a close reading of their 2007 report, as well as commentary by Jean Bricmont, Amin, Michael Mandel (one of the most respect human rights lawyers in the world) and others.  I&#8217;d be glad, if you are really interested to send you a variety of analyses that support my contention, but it comes down to an ontological difference, in that empiricist that you are, you demand &#8220;quantifiable&#8221; social scientific data, while I look at the balance of forces, looking at more how information is used and controlled than the information itself.  So by the numbers, by your liberal logic, yes, you can&#8217;t prove what I&#8217;m saying .  But by coming from a specific standpoint different than the dominant western cartesian liberal logic, i.e. a standpoint of class struggle, of opposing your system, then my analyses-  which are indeed objective given the first principle of history being that of class struggle, historical materialism, as it were &#8211; will go straight over your liberal cartesian dualist head.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu DeNimm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stu DeNimm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;accepted policy by the Clinton 
&gt;Administration that a Saddam 
&gt;regime must be toppled. It’s on 
&gt;tape, including Biden saying it.

there&#039;s a big space between &quot;let&#039;s organize a coup and have the SOB assassinated&quot; and &quot;let&#039;s invade the country, set up a sectarian civil war so we can divide and conquer, and hand out the oil fields to our campaign donors&quot;</description>
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&gt;Administration that a Saddam<br />
&gt;regime must be toppled. It’s on<br />
&gt;tape, including Biden saying it.</p>
<p>there&#8217;s a big space between &#8220;let&#8217;s organize a coup and have the SOB assassinated&#8221; and &#8220;let&#8217;s invade the country, set up a sectarian civil war so we can divide and conquer, and hand out the oil fields to our campaign donors&#8221;</p>
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