Lawn Chair Militias
Tucson, Arizona Saturday Nite
Back from the border and spending three days among the recruits to the Minuteman Project. And it's quite enough, thank you.
By now this story is being buried by the avalanche of televised hagiography being pumped out of the Vatican. And therein resides a message for the fringies that organized this stunt: Live By The Media — Die By The Media.
The Project, which promised to deploy more than a thousand volunteers (some of them armed) to defend and blockade the Arizona-Mexican border for the entire month of April, got an enormous free ride from the media. CNN's Lou Dobbs, alone, has given these folks several million dollars in free promotion.
Today, Google lists almost 500 stories on this event. Fact is, however, that beyond the media hype, it has been mostly a fizzle. Organizers claimed that 400 or more volunteers showed up yesterday in Tombstone to begin the 30 day exercise. But there is no evidence that more than 200 or so folks actually came.
At two Minuteman rallies staged today in front of the Naco and Douglas stations of the Border Patrol, there were only about 150 participants. While much hot air has been blown on both sides about these Minutemen exercising the Second Amendment i.e. carrying guns, the overwhelming majority of them are armed only with lawn chairs. Indeed, those drawn to this event (apart from being about 99.9% white) are disproportionaly aged and retired and are no more fit to conduct "civilian patrols" than they are set to run a marathon.
After today's rallies, I expect that a hundred or so might actually spend a few hours (sitting in lawn chairs) on the border in the next few days. In the end, I would be surprised if more than a few dozen actually go out on "patrol" with the hard-core organizers.
Those organizers, principally Tombstone-based Chris Simcox, have notoriously little support from the locals. Ask about anyone in town about Simcox and they wrinkle their nose and tell you that he's an extremist troublemaker.
During today's gatherings, the Minutemen chanted "Viva La Migra" and chanted "Thank You, Border Patrol!" But the Border Patrol took extra steps to deploy an added number of official spokespersons outside the two stations where the rallies took place. The Border Patrol was emphatic in rejecting the "support" offered by the Minuteman Project. "They are a natural hindrance to us," said Supervisory Agent Jose Maheda. "We don't support them and they are making our jobs more difficult."
Ray Borane, the mayor of Douglas, Arizona (which is at the epicenter of the immigration crisis) is infuriated by the Minuteman spectacle. "This is monster created by the media," he said today. "But by Tuesday it's going to fizzle out."
I think Borne is right. By next week, I believe, the media will have forgotten all about this episode and it will shrink back down to its fringe proportions.
Of the scores of Minuteman stories in the press today, one of the best comes from —naturally enough"”one of the more experienced local border reporters: Susan Carroll of the Arizona Republic. She knows too much to be snookered by the hype. Disclaimer: I'm quoted in her story but don't hold that against her. A meaty excerpt:
TOMBSTONE - Organizers of a monthlong civilian border patrol effort claimed victory on the first day, basking in national media attention even before the volunteers fan out to detect undocumented immigrants crossing the border."We have already accomplished our goal a hundredfold," Jim Gilchrist, a retired accountant and project organizer, said as more than 100 members of the media jostled and jockeyed for position outside a registration building on Friday morning. "We've got our message out to the American public."Gilchrist estimated the number of media at 100 to 120. He claimed to have four times as many volunteers registering in Tombstone to participate in patrols to detect undocumented immigrants in the San Pedro Valley, a bustling smuggling corridor, and report them to the U.S. Border Patrol.
On the first day of the project, the media showed up en masse, with satellite trucks lining the streets of this historic town in Cochise County, an illegal-immigration epicenter that accounted for 1 in 5 of the 1.1 million arrests along the Southwestern border last year.Law enforcement officers dressed in cowboy hats and boots kept a close watch on volunteers, and counterprotesters gathered outside the historic building across from City Hall. Some volunteers called the registration a "media circus," but others welcomed the publicity, waving flags and passing out commemorative patches"¦"¦Paul Charlton, the U.S. attorney for Arizona, criticized the media for reporting the organizers' claims that more than 1,000 volunteers planned to turn out for the monthlong event, without substantiating the numbers. The organizers of the Minuteman Project repeatedly declined to provide a membership list to the media, citing privacy concerns.Charlton said Simcox has a history of hyping events to the media, although it's too early to tell what will happen with the Minuteman Project. When Simcox founded the organization Civil Homeland Defense in Tombstone in December 2002, he told the media he would have 600 volunteers inducted into a training exercise, but only a handful showed up, Charlton said. In January 2003, Simcox promoted a similar event but predicted a more modest turnout of 20 to 30 volunteers. Charlton said that on the day of the event the local media reported that two volunteers turned out, fewer than the number of journalists."If the past were a prologue, you could expect very few people," Charlton said. "The exception here is that this event has received such an extraordinary amount of media publicity that it could be a self-fulfilling prophecy."I'll be writing my up my own feature report on this by mid-week. Check out my complete photo gallery on the Minuteman Project by clicking here.
April 2nd, 2005 at 6:01 pm
I have nothing in particular to say about the minutemen, except that I’m glad to hear that they managed not to blow a few of each other away by mistake.
About the bigger question – illegal immigration – the only people it seems to me that are wholly consistent on this issue are libertarians and pure populists.
If conservatives are so concerned about the plight of the white working class, and the alleged effect of illegal immigration on the working class, then why do they support economic policies that have over the past few decades done more than a little damage to the economic security of working people? Its rather difficult not to conclude that for conservatives this whole issue comes down to race, and racial purity, more than anything else.
April 2nd, 2005 at 8:20 pm
Certainly. Good post. This sort of thing is an embarassment but a free society has to allow it. The merit however doe not get carte blanche. This is a nativist ruse. The solutions live at a much deeper level than political theatre.
April 2nd, 2005 at 9:20 pm
“Indeed, those drawn to this event (apart from being about 99.9% white) are disproportionaly aged and retired and are no more fit to conduct “civilian patrols†than they are set to run a marathon.”
Well, what do you expect. People with jobs don’t have the time to go to out-of-the-way Tombstone, AZ.
However, they are probably mostly fit enough to do the patrols, which consist of setting up radio-connected OP’s and sitting there waiting for folks to go by. If you don’t think so, check out Sheriff Joe’s Sun City posse sometime, where you have lots of senior and very senior citizens, firearms trained by the sheriff and well armed, who keep the peace and have never had a negative incident. Getting old does not equate with getting stupid, and ridiculing this group for that component is cheap.
That this is a media event is obvious, and so stated by the organizers. That some local clowns are attached is also to be predicted, and says nothing about the validity or lack thereof of this event.
As to Green’s comments about working class jobs or some such nonsense, many are concerned far more about the rampant illegality of the immigration and the implications that has for our society of laws, and for our national security.
April 3rd, 2005 at 12:06 am
The photo’s are getting more interesting…hehehe
April 3rd, 2005 at 4:38 am
Just one more excellent example of the superficial nature of grassroots rallies and protests. As if this farce will have any demonstrable impact on the issue of illegal immigration – bah! I’m sure they all had a lovely time in the sunshine with their buddies. I especially like the photos showing them striking the super-serious pose – noses scrunched up and brows furrowed in hyper-earnest congfigurations.
What a collosal waste of energy. Marc, you should have gone surf fishing.
April 3rd, 2005 at 5:17 am
Ignore the underlying issues raised and don’t be suprised that very draconian anti-immigrant measures become very popular. Tom Tancredo is just waiting with harsh measures in his bills to pass Congress. Interesting article in the nation on how Gun laws have driven many westerners, who otherwise agree with dems, to the GOP. The same could happen with immigration. Incidently, I’m not arguing with your figures since you were there but don’t authorities almost always low ball the figures of attendees at these shindigs?
April 3rd, 2005 at 10:39 am
Good post Marc.
Looks like you witnessed a good old fashoned Cluster F–K.
Lawn chairs??? Patrol???
Lawn chairs implies sitting. Patrol implies traveling (like a posted stretch of road).
Theres a mismatch here somewhere. None of your pictures show any type of equipment needed for a venture like this.
CNN must have been hardup for a story when they covered this event.
April 3rd, 2005 at 2:00 pm
This just gave me a great new marketing idea! Motorized lawn chairs…hehe
April 3rd, 2005 at 3:45 pm
Good post, Marc. Looking forward to your article. Susan’s piece is very good too. (Terrific woman who’s smart, skilled, AND very pretty.)
The following ‘graphs are, of course, also representative of what has occurred on California’s AM radio airwaves:
“Steve Rendall, a senior analyst with the Washington, D.C.-based Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, said radio talk shows have devoted a substantial amount of airtime to anti-illegal immigration advocates for more than a decade, but the movement is now making it into more mainstream media, driven by conservative cable shows. He said the hosts asked “softball questions” and basically had the project’s spokesmen on unopposed.
“‘It was basically a frictionless public-relations outing for the Minuteman Project,’ he said.”
April 3rd, 2005 at 3:53 pm
richard lo cicero
Right on all counts. The so-called “assault weapons ban” and other foolish gun control nonsense drove lots of folks into the Republican fold, and was considered responsible for the loss of a number of Democratic seats in 1994. That’s why you will not see many Democrats pushing gun laws any more, except from safe districts.
The “assault weapons” ban could have been a gift to those of us who support our 2nd amendment rights. What was banned was merely the superficial characteristics of the weapons, not the weapons themselves. Furthermore, the ban was sold to the public as prohibiting submachine guns (some of which are true assault weapons) but in fact it did not, as submachine guns were already tightly controlled and perfectly legal for citizen ownership (still true).
Ironically, it also banned large magazines for pistols. The result was the development of a number of small but deadly 10 round weapons (.40 cal Glock, for example). These turned out to be very popular among women, since they fit nicely into a purse. The ban actually created a market and its solution, reducing rapes (and the population of rapists).
The ban achieved none of its advertised goals, but rather resulted in political points against the anti-gunners. I chortled all the way to the ballot box.
Immigration, IMHO, is a more complex issue. But the fact that laws are not being enforced is beyond dispute, and that they should be enforced is a valid political argument – and the core of the Minuteman demonstration.
BTW… Marc, at one point you said this was nothing more than a media event. Now you criticize the members for not being ready for all out war, or whatever. Which is it – a media event, which does not require a bunch of SEALS, or a para-military operation, which *might* require more fit individuals?
Have you read the event media and participant material? One couldn’t tell from the reporting (and you are better than what I see on TV, btw)… Check out http://www.minutemanproject.com/ for what the organizers are telling prospective members. It cuts through a bunch of bull and stereotyping.
April 3rd, 2005 at 4:54 pm
I think the seals would be beached in that dried up country.
April 3rd, 2005 at 4:55 pm
Yet the Border Patrol doesn’t want or need them. certainly a stubborn fact for the so-called helpers to digest I would think.
April 3rd, 2005 at 5:24 pm
By all accounts, the Minutemen circus was a success. It got Media attention, where before there was none. The assignment of 500 border patrol agents to Arizona was a direct result of the Media attention.
Yes there are kooks and weirdos in this event, but the bottom line is that the border is not enforced, people of all political persuasions are sick and tired of it; and much like Prop 13, it waits in the wings to remake the political landscape.
This is what happens when both parties duck the issue.
April 3rd, 2005 at 7:27 pm
“The assignment of 500 border patrol agents to Arizona was a direct result of the Media attention.”
What’s the source of this claim? Are you suggesting before this the Border Patrol wasn’t aware of the border in Arizona? Or is it because of the need to cover the kooks on this side temporarily? I don’t know, the more I read of those differing opinions the more I think of Strother Martin in Butch and Sundance. “Morons. I’ve got morons on my team.”
April 3rd, 2005 at 7:56 pm
Only an idiot would fail to understand that the border patrol in AZ is being boosted due to this event.
Media Attention has been been badly attenuated (for MAY, that means reduced) by the end-to-end Schiavo and Pope deaths.
Personally, like many in the group, I favor legal immigration and welcome Mexican workers among others. But I wish Mexico would get its own economic act together and stop using us as a safety valve.
April 3rd, 2005 at 8:12 pm
Common sense is rarely written Mark. What are your solutions?
April 3rd, 2005 at 8:16 pm
I didn’t detect an answer to my question. 500 permanant staff have been assigned in that stretch of border? I’ll await a factual answer. I realize that will be tough in the innuendo-land of poz but provide a link to the source from a government agency. Since I work for the feds I’ll recognize it.
April 3rd, 2005 at 9:25 pm
Mark, since you’re a budding journalist (or so you told us on PressThink if I remember correctly), why don’t you go dig out the information. After all, you work for the feds, so you’ll know a genuine source before any of the rest of us mere peasants.
April 3rd, 2005 at 9:28 pm
Mark –
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/29/border.patrol.ap/
“The border buildup was to be announced Wednesday — two days before civilian volunteers with the so-called Minuteman Project begin a monthlong Arizona patrol against immigrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico line.
About 155 agents will be immediately sent to Arizona, according to department officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because the buildup was not yet announced. More than 370 additional agents — all new trainees — will be permanently assigned to the Arizona border throughout the year.
Until they are in place, another 200 agents will be temporarily stationed in Arizona during the high immigration season this spring and summer, officials said.”
Read the whole story. The thing speaks for itself. Note that people in the border area have been complaining for YEARS about this, I recall LAT coverage of this going back to at least 2003 and perhaps longer. Ever since increased pressure along the California border, the Coyotes and Illegal immigrants shifted to the Arizona desert.
The current (and previous Administrations going back to Nixon, btw) Administration does not intend to enforce the laws of the land. Illegal aliens make excellent low cost labor and help big business. It also allows this Administration to court Latino voters, GWB has said he wants increased immigration from Mexico (legal) and has floated various pandering trial balloons on amnesty issues. If the Administration were REALLY interested in a secure border that vastly reduced the amount of illegal immigration by orders of magnitude, they would spend the money for walls, sensors, and agents along the border. Their budget reveals that they have ZERO intention of having a secure border:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/02/09/MNGOKB837T1.DTL
Only 210 new border agents? That is truly pathetic, and THAT is what people in the Minutemen and folks who dreamed up this media stunt are ticked off about.
The LAT had essentially the same coverage as what Marc has posted, what’s revealing is the anger towards GWB that the overwhelmingly Republican crowd displayed. A savvy Democrat who picked up on this issue and got right with National Security could clean the Republican’s clock; potentially drawing away a TON of voters in a “realignment” election. Unfortunately the adherence to Politically Correct orthodoxy makes this about as likely as my winning the lottery.
April 3rd, 2005 at 10:35 pm
Why should George Bush secure the boarders? He has made it amply clear that his concern is to not only bolster big business, but to give massive tax cuts to richest people in the nation. Plus, he has to keep Iraq going, and we must be the police men of the world – this is supposed to be our position in the new globalism after 9/11. Where is he going to get the money? Remember, no new taxes! Of course, all of this is quite absurd, but than again I did not vote the idiot into office.
April 3rd, 2005 at 11:01 pm
John Moore writes: “But I wish Mexico would get its own economic act together and stop using us as a safety valve.”
Can Mexico do it without help, though? Increasingly, I look at the panaceas recommended for states suffering from endemic corruption(market liberalization, more representative democracy) and they just don’t look like they would be enough even if they did get some traction.
After all, Russia has become something like a capitalist democracy, but where’s the momentum? Russians view the results with great skepticism, corruption is rampant, and FDI is a fraction of what it should be for a country with such a large, well-educated workforce and huge natural resources. (Russia signed the Kyoto Protocol recently mainly because it can expect to easily meet its 2012 targets — which require reducing CO2 emissions to 1990 levels. Their economy STILL hasn’t recovered to the point where they will exceed 1990 CO2 emissions levels by 2012!)
Googling on the name of one of the authorities in the field of government corruption, Susan Rose-Ackerman, should be enough to give you an idea of how complex the picture is.
A truly effective unilateral U.S. policy to help clean up some of these states might seem bizarre on the face of it. For example: how about trade sanctions against countries that don’t pay a decent wage to their government officials and that don’t collect taxes efficiently, while offering outright grants to those who promise improve in this respect? “Gack!” you cry, recoiling in disgust. “Why should we reward corrupt government officials to further oppress their subject populations with higher taxes? And why give them money for collecting more money? And why, for heaven’s sake, should we believe the promises of kleptocrats?!”
Well, the fact is, most of these countries are caught in “trust traps”, where most people won’t pay much in taxes to governments they regard as illegitimate, so there’s not much revenue from which to pay government officials, many of whom went into government anyway because they knew that their bribe income would be rather handsome compared to their salaries. That same corruption reduces investment (in both public good services like education and by private companies), which keeps people so poor that they don’t have much income to pay out in taxes anyway. You can see how a system like this would self-reinforce. It’s your classic vicious cycle.
Giving corrupt governments more money (carrot) to pay their officials “primes the pump” — they can start paying officials more, in advance of better tax collection. That money is best spent by those officials in the local economy, enriching the locals enough for them to afford to pay taxes. Paying taxes instead of bribes increases the motivation for citizens to rat on officials who insist on bribes (and on other citizens who offer them), and paying officials higher salaries out of tax revenue reduces the incentives for officials to require bribes to expedite government services.
Policies like these cannot work without close monitoring. That’s critical if you want the “stick” part to be used to whack the right targets. Pouring money in at the top of a corrupt government is asking for much of it to end up in Swiss bank accounts. Any such carrot-stick policy is vulnerable to carrot-hoarding without very effective sticks. As scholars like Rose-Ackerman suggest, NGOs may be far more useful in a monitoring role than in any direct “civil society” support role. You need to closely instrument the target economy and its government, to make sure that the right things are happening. You need to reward situations where the right things are happening, and pull back sharply when and where they aren’t. And you probably need to do it at the level of localities, not just nations — you shouldn’t pretend that Monterrey is just like Oaxaca.
If Wolfowitz were to start implementing policies like these at the World Bank, starting with Mexico, under the banner not only of compassion but sane U.S.-Mexico immigration policy as well, I’d take back all the bad things I’ve ever said about him (and that would take some doing, believe me.)
April 3rd, 2005 at 11:06 pm
Virg,
That’s just plain silly. He doesn’t secure the borders because he cannot secure the borders without using up divisions worth of military. His amnesty would create a guest worker program which has advantages for both sides. Of course, the potential for an amnesty only makes things worse in the mean time as it incresaes the incentive for immigrants.
The border problem is due to the illegality of alien and drug smuggling. Making the worker flow legal gets rid of a big part of the problem, if it is done right.
As far as tax cuts, the only way to cut taxes is to give “massive tax cuts” to the richest, because *they pay most of the taxes.” Hence demogoguery like yours is common – any fair lowering of taxes will disproportionately hit “the richest.” As an unemployed engineer who will pay, for last year, taxes as if I am “the richest,” I find such reassoning, well, rich with silliness.
Nobody likes the border situation, but the ultimate problem is the US is too prosperous relative to Latin America, and the poor in Latin America are trying to take advantage of that. If I were they, I would too.
It is the corruption and greed of the governments and ruling classes of those countries with cultures of corruption. Mexico has vast natural resources, and a culture of hard work, but its people come here because endemic and persistent corruption, and a rigid class structure interfere with the investment Mexico so badly needs to become self sufficient and economically prosperous. Ditto for many of the rest of the Latin countries.
I guess if we turned the economy over to the left, the problem would indeed go away after awhile, as we also became much less prosperous. It’s the sort of thinking behind your tax rhetoric that indicates just how the left would screw it up.
April 4th, 2005 at 12:12 am
I’ve come up with another brilliant idea! How about this – if they get caught coming over the boarder they are instantly drafted! This way we could get enough soldiers to not only answer the Iraq issue, but we could beef up home security. What do you think? hehehe
April 4th, 2005 at 12:33 am
No, making the worker flow legal hardly solves a problem you keep ignoring, John: that increasing the size of the labor pool drives down wages. And if you’re a member of the working class, like I am, that ain’t so good. Jim Rockford’s points about strenghtening the border are well-taken, but one of the biggest problems is the “wink-wink” policy of U.S. employers who break the law in hiring undocumented workers. As a former job trainer for a Hispanic organization I constantly observed this firsthand, talking with employers who were elated to hire docile, exploitable workers, no questions asked. The ugly truth of the matter is that illegal immigration benefits MANY business sectors of all sizes, which is frankly one major reason why illegal immigration isn’t slowing down anytime soon. I don’t care how tightly you seal the border, if there are jobs easily available to immmigrants then they will come, hell or high water. What’s despicable to me about the Bush Administration’s immigration policy (or lack thereof) is that it couldn’t give a rat’s ass for how immigration affects American workers. And I find that insulting on both a political and personal level.
April 4th, 2005 at 7:03 am
“notoriously little support from the locals”
–
That would be bad. So this is just a publicity stunt, then. Well, it seems to have drawn attention to a problem even if it is incapable of doing anything about that problem itself.
Gotta look on the bright side.
April 4th, 2005 at 9:03 am
Nothing speaks for itself like the actual source which would be the Border Patrol. They sent them for the stunt, but the complaints for years had nothing to do with the hiring? By the Arizona office begging for funding all along? And these clowns take the credit? This is a false cause fallacy. Agencies always have a hard time getting funding for GS-5 field grunts. I know because I have to find it every year. Doesn’t always happen.
April 4th, 2005 at 9:05 am
And Like I said before, and was ignored, why didn’t the Border Patrol endorse the stunt?
April 4th, 2005 at 10:08 am
“Only an idiot would fail to understand that the border patrol in AZ is being boosted due to this event.”
Yeah, just like the federal government to be instantly responsive to the public. These 500 people are probably coming out of the ones we were promised for the Northern Border. well, that is a sort of responsiveness, I guess.
I am sure the BP regards these people as just one more task to over-extend what few people they have.
The only workable military measure would be 2,000 miles of minefields. Even less likely would be raids to hit the smuggling organizations or even just public executions at San Isidro and Juarez. We may have to settle for soem system that makes it possible for these migrants to enter under some kind of US government control – make theier own government give them passports, like real citizens, even if they are just lowly Indian peons, and then opening US consulates ih Oaxaca and Michoacan and wherever else the surge is coming from to offer valid visas. It might amaze everyone how fast the coyotes starve away to nothing and how the fast migransst start to act law-abiding. Most of them go back and forth regularly already anyway. Hye if they weren’t illegal, maybe they could start asking for the same pay as everyone else, and they wouldn’t be so attractive to hire.
April 4th, 2005 at 10:09 am
“Only an idiot would fail to understand that the border patrol in AZ is being boosted due to this event.”
Yeah, just like the federal government to be instantly responsive to the public. These 500 people are probably coming out of the ones we were promised for the Northern Border. well, that is a sort of responsiveness, I guess.
I am sure the BP regards these people as just one more task to over-extend what few people they have.
The only workable military measure would be 2,000 miles of minefields. Even less likely would be raids to hit the smuggling organizations or even just public executions at San Isidro and Juarez. We may have to settle for soem system that makes it possible for these migrants to enter under some kind of US government control – make theier own government give them passports, like real citizens, even if they are just lowly Indian peons, and then opening US consulates ih Oaxaca and Michoacan and wherever else the surge is coming from to offer valid visas. It might amaze everyone how fast the coyotes starve away to nothing and how the fast migrants start to act law-abiding. Most of them go back and forth regularly already anyway. Hey, if they weren’t illegal, maybe they could start asking for the same pay as everyone else, and they wouldn’t be so attractive to hire.
April 4th, 2005 at 11:09 am
The idea that massive immigration from Mexico is happening because of the United States won’t enforce its borders flies in the face of evidence. The United States has resorted to increasingly repressive border controls since 1986. We now have more INS personnel and spend more money on border patrol than at any time in our history. Yet the number of Mexican migrants keeps on increasing.
The concenration of border agents at selective locations (which is what the Minuteman are asking the INS to) has two results:
(1) Redirects migrants towards more remote and inhospitable crossings, which causes hundreds of deaths
(2)makes migrants stay longer in the United States – knowing that his odds of re-entering the United States are reduced, the migrant decided not to make a return trip to Mexico. Douglas Massey, a sociologist at Princeton, has an excellent article in the American Prospect describing the disfunctionality of American border patrol policies. see:
http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewPrint&articleId=6824
with all due respect to John Moore, he has it backwards: immigration from Mexico is happending not because of Mexico’s backward economy, but because of Mexico’s economic liberalization. and integration with the American economy. No nation has undergone industrialization without a massive displacement of people from traditional livelihoods, which are mainly located in the countryside; and in most cases a large fraction of these people have ended up migrating abroad to mitigate risks and accumulate cash. That’s what happened in Europe in the 19th Century and early 20th century, and it’s being replicated today in Mexico. Moreover, free movement of goods, capital, commodities, services and information between Mexico and the United States inevitably leads to movement of people between the two countries. There’s another excellent article by Douglas Massey on this point.
http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewPrint&articleId=5681
April 4th, 2005 at 3:34 pm
With regard to Mark York’s question: “….why didn’t the Border Patrol endorse the stunt?”
Because these idiots with their lawn chairs and sidearms have been nothing but trouble for the already overstressed Border Patrol. For yet another example, see the AP story linked below.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0404bordervolunteers-ON.html
Here’s the opening couple of ‘graphs:
“TOMBSTONE – Citizens who volunteered to patrol the Mexican border for illegal immigrants and smugglers are disrupting Border Patrol operations by tripping sensors that alert agents to possible illegal crossings, an agency spokesman said Monday.
“Even though volunteers for the Minuteman Project were only beginning their regular, monthlong patrols Monday, they have unwittingly set off sensors during the past few days, forcing agents to respond to what essentially is a false alarm, said Supervisory Border Patrol Agent Jose Maheda.
“‘Every sensor has to be addressed,’ Maheda said. ‘It’s taken away from our normal operations.’”
April 4th, 2005 at 4:29 pm
Peter,
An interesting viewpoint, and no doubt *also* true. But corruption preventing appropriate economic expansion leads to a class of people who would be employable in their own country at decent wages, except the jobs are minimized by the corruption and general lack of overall economic progress. Many of the immigrants, BTW, are not Mexican, but come from some real hell holes.
Rich,
As a recent victim of globalization myself (”we have 2500 workers in Bangalore who can do what you can do for $2.50/hour” followed by “bye bye”), I understaind your pain. But globalizatio;n is real, and even without the immigration the massive job shifts would happen. Obviously there are overlaps – construction trade is one – which is why the best we can do is to legalize *some* unskilled immigrants and strongly discourage the rest.
rosedog,
These folks aren’t idiots. And temporary disruption of border patrol (accompanied by additional eyes) is not going to make as much difference as the political impact may. Furthermore, as I have written before, interagency rivaly extends especially to civilians, especially with law enforcement officers. Don’t assume that the BP is speaking out of pure motives.
April 4th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
“‘It’s taken away from our normal operations.’”
That’s what I thought. It may be code though for “we need these experts in our face.”
April 4th, 2005 at 5:39 pm
No, it’s code for “don’t draw attention to the pathetically lousy job we are doing.”
April 4th, 2005 at 8:42 pm
I don’t think we can blame this on the Border Patrol. They’re doing the best they can under the circumstances. It’s Bush that’s doing the bad job.
April 5th, 2005 at 10:16 am
What is your solution to this problem?
April 5th, 2005 at 12:52 pm
Mine is to make it difficult to hire illegals in the first place and impose harsh penalties for companies and individuals who do. I’m all for strengthening the Border Patrol forces and cracking down on the Mexican authorities and leadership. Of course moving American factories to Mexico’s doesn’t seem to have helped stem the flow. As I see it and from my own experience there’s plenty of competition for what we have here already all the way up the employment spectrum.
April 5th, 2005 at 11:32 pm
Your approach has been tried. It doesn’t work.
Immigration seems to be like the drug war – interdiction fails. Demand reduction also fails (although on first blush it would seem to work).
April 6th, 2005 at 11:54 am
So the joke at the border is the answer? I doubt it. Nothing more than whistling in the wind.
April 4th, 2005 at 1:12 pm
DIY Border Patrol Underway in Arizona
The Minuteman Project, a month-long citizen-initiated project to guard the Arizona border from illegal immigrant crossings is underway, and media turnout for the effort has exceeded expectations: Reportedly, there are 100 to 120 journalists on hand to …
May 8th, 2005 at 6:54 pm
http://mattwelch.com/archives/week_2005_05_08.html#003125
Just to Clarify, You Need a Geography Lesson, Irredentists! I sincerely hope you’ve managed to avoid the thrilling California-politics controversy about a television billboard in Mexico. In a brutally misgoverned state with an $8 billion deficit, our s…
July 23rd, 2006 at 12:57 pm
Eddie800 pokerssj