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		<title>By: Jerryactric John</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerryactric John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great post thanks very much</description>
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		<title>By: emaissill</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 01:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>best credit card for teens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you can me&quot; -&gt; &quot;you can add me&quot;.

Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#039;t tell my clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you can me&#8221; -&gt; &#8220;you can add me&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#8217;t tell my clients.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-577074</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#039;d never vote for, but who I&#039;d love to campaign for -- because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember -- or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.

Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#039;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#039;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.

Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#039; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &quot;y&#039;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&quot;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on ... &quot;y&#039;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#039;s-er-name, starts with an &#039;M&#039;?&quot; &quot;Um ... I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&quot;  &quot;Y&#039;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&quot;  (Somehow, I can&#039;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#039;ll let Woody make something up for me.)

By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#039;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &quot;Compassionate&quot;?  If &quot;conservative&quot; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#039;t so easily practice what&#039;s been preached to them?

Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#039;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#8217;d never vote for, but who I&#8217;d love to campaign for &#8212; because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember &#8212; or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.</p>
<p>Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#8217;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#8217;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.</p>
<p>Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#8217; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &#8220;y&#8217;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&#8221;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on &#8230; &#8220;y&#8217;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#8217;s-er-name, starts with an &#8216;M&#8217;?&#8221; &#8220;Um &#8230; I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&#8221;  &#8220;Y&#8217;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&#8221;  (Somehow, I can&#8217;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#8217;ll let Woody make something up for me.)</p>
<p>By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#8217;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &#8220;Compassionate&#8221;?  If &#8220;conservative&#8221; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#8217;t so easily practice what&#8217;s been preached to them?</p>
<p>Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#8217;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576990</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#039;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#8217;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576984</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:

&quot;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&quot;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:</p>
<p>&#8220;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</a></p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families

A)  Bullshit
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families</p>
<p>A)  Bullshit<br />
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576957</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.

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MY  NEW  TRUCK 

I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#039;t get the radio to work.

The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  

&quot;Nelson,&quot; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&quot;Ricky or Willie?&quot; &quot;Willie!&quot; he continued and &quot;On The Road Again&quot; came from the speakers. 

Then he said, &quot;Ray Charles!&quot;, and in an instant &quot;Georgia On My  Mind&quot; replaced Willie Nelson.

I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#039;d say,  Beethoven,&quot; I&#039;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &quot;Beatles,&quot; I&#039;d get one of their awesome songs. 
 
Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &quot;Idiots!&quot; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.
 
I LOVE this truck!!!

---

I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#039; email lists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>MY  NEW  TRUCK </p>
<p>I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#8217;t get the radio to work.</p>
<p>The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Nelson,&#8221; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&#8221;Ricky or Willie?&#8221; &#8220;Willie!&#8221; he continued and &#8220;On The Road Again&#8221; came from the speakers. </p>
<p>Then he said, &#8220;Ray Charles!&#8221;, and in an instant &#8220;Georgia On My  Mind&#8221; replaced Willie Nelson.</p>
<p>I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#8217;d say,  Beethoven,&#8221; I&#8217;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &#8220;Beatles,&#8221; I&#8217;d get one of their awesome songs. </p>
<p>Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &#8220;Idiots!&#8221; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.</p>
<p>I LOVE this truck!!!</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#8217; email lists.</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&quot;

No Samuel. It&#039;s not partisan ideology, it&#039;s simple logic and basic observation.

Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored--that didn&#039;t share enthusiastic Democratic support--that was written to help urban poor families. 

You can&#039;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.

Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &quot;family values&quot; marketing slogan.

The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.

To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#039;s support for their effort.

Family values are important and it&#039;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#039;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>No Samuel. It&#8217;s not partisan ideology, it&#8217;s simple logic and basic observation.</p>
<p>Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored&#8211;that didn&#8217;t share enthusiastic Democratic support&#8211;that was written to help urban poor families. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.</p>
<p>Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &#8220;family values&#8221; marketing slogan.</p>
<p>The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.</p>
<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#8217;s support for their effort.</p>
<p>Family values are important and it&#8217;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#8217;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Stott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel Stott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric the Political Hack Says: 

&quot;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&quot;

It&#039;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.

Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &quot;family values&quot; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.

Tacking on &quot;ophobic&quot; to your chosen noun doesn&#039;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. 

&quot;Islamophobia!&quot; &quot;Homophobia!&quot; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. 

How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#039;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.

I will believe that &quot;multi-culturalism&quot; isn&#039;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.

The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.

The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition---overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. 

 
 

    

 


I don&#039;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric the Political Hack Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.</p>
<p>Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &#8220;family values&#8221; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.</p>
<p>Tacking on &#8220;ophobic&#8221; to your chosen noun doesn&#8217;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. </p>
<p>&#8220;Islamophobia!&#8221; &#8220;Homophobia!&#8221; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. </p>
<p>How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#8217;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.</p>
<p>I will believe that &#8220;multi-culturalism&#8221; isn&#8217;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.</p>
<p>The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.</p>
<p>The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition&#8212;overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.

Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians - and an Arkansan - in a Band, of whose name I don&#039;t recall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.</p>
<p>Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians &#8211; and an Arkansan &#8211; in a Band, of whose name I don&#8217;t recall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &quot;Country and Western&quot; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &#8220;Country and Western&#8221; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576936</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &quot;pro environment&quot; as it was viewed back then.  

However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#039;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &#8220;pro environment&#8221; as it was viewed back then.  </p>
<p>However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#8217;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</p>
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		<title>By: jim hitchcock</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#039;d be my man. And he&#039;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#039;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#8217;d be my man. And he&#8217;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#8217;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down - two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#039;t be bothered to show up - and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.

Oh well, there&#039;s always South Carolina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down &#8211; two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#8217;t be bothered to show up &#8211; and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.</p>
<p>Oh well, there&#8217;s always South Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerryactric John</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great post thanks very much</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 01:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>best credit card for teens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you can me&quot; -&gt; &quot;you can add me&quot;.

Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#039;t tell my clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you can me&#8221; -&gt; &#8220;you can add me&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#8217;t tell my clients.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-577074</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#039;d never vote for, but who I&#039;d love to campaign for -- because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember -- or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.

Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#039;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#039;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.

Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#039; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &quot;y&#039;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&quot;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on ... &quot;y&#039;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#039;s-er-name, starts with an &#039;M&#039;?&quot; &quot;Um ... I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&quot;  &quot;Y&#039;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&quot;  (Somehow, I can&#039;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#039;ll let Woody make something up for me.)

By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#039;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &quot;Compassionate&quot;?  If &quot;conservative&quot; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#039;t so easily practice what&#039;s been preached to them?

Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#039;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#8217;d never vote for, but who I&#8217;d love to campaign for &#8212; because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember &#8212; or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.</p>
<p>Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#8217;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#8217;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.</p>
<p>Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#8217; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &#8220;y&#8217;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&#8221;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on &#8230; &#8220;y&#8217;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#8217;s-er-name, starts with an &#8216;M&#8217;?&#8221; &#8220;Um &#8230; I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&#8221;  &#8220;Y&#8217;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&#8221;  (Somehow, I can&#8217;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#8217;ll let Woody make something up for me.)</p>
<p>By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#8217;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &#8220;Compassionate&#8221;?  If &#8220;conservative&#8221; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#8217;t so easily practice what&#8217;s been preached to them?</p>
<p>Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#8217;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#039;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#8217;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:

&quot;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&quot;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:</p>
<p>&#8220;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</a></p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families

A)  Bullshit
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families</p>
<p>A)  Bullshit<br />
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576957</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576952</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.

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MY  NEW  TRUCK 

I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#039;t get the radio to work.

The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  

&quot;Nelson,&quot; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&quot;Ricky or Willie?&quot; &quot;Willie!&quot; he continued and &quot;On The Road Again&quot; came from the speakers. 

Then he said, &quot;Ray Charles!&quot;, and in an instant &quot;Georgia On My  Mind&quot; replaced Willie Nelson.

I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#039;d say,  Beethoven,&quot; I&#039;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &quot;Beatles,&quot; I&#039;d get one of their awesome songs. 
 
Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &quot;Idiots!&quot; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.
 
I LOVE this truck!!!

---

I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#039; email lists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>MY  NEW  TRUCK </p>
<p>I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#8217;t get the radio to work.</p>
<p>The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Nelson,&#8221; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&#8221;Ricky or Willie?&#8221; &#8220;Willie!&#8221; he continued and &#8220;On The Road Again&#8221; came from the speakers. </p>
<p>Then he said, &#8220;Ray Charles!&#8221;, and in an instant &#8220;Georgia On My  Mind&#8221; replaced Willie Nelson.</p>
<p>I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#8217;d say,  Beethoven,&#8221; I&#8217;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &#8220;Beatles,&#8221; I&#8217;d get one of their awesome songs. </p>
<p>Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &#8220;Idiots!&#8221; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.</p>
<p>I LOVE this truck!!!</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#8217; email lists.</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&quot;

No Samuel. It&#039;s not partisan ideology, it&#039;s simple logic and basic observation.

Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored--that didn&#039;t share enthusiastic Democratic support--that was written to help urban poor families. 

You can&#039;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.

Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &quot;family values&quot; marketing slogan.

The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.

To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#039;s support for their effort.

Family values are important and it&#039;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#039;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>No Samuel. It&#8217;s not partisan ideology, it&#8217;s simple logic and basic observation.</p>
<p>Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored&#8211;that didn&#8217;t share enthusiastic Democratic support&#8211;that was written to help urban poor families. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.</p>
<p>Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &#8220;family values&#8221; marketing slogan.</p>
<p>The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.</p>
<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#8217;s support for their effort.</p>
<p>Family values are important and it&#8217;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#8217;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Stott</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576940</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel Stott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric the Political Hack Says: 

&quot;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&quot;

It&#039;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.

Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &quot;family values&quot; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.

Tacking on &quot;ophobic&quot; to your chosen noun doesn&#039;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. 

&quot;Islamophobia!&quot; &quot;Homophobia!&quot; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. 

How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#039;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.

I will believe that &quot;multi-culturalism&quot; isn&#039;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.

The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.

The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition---overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. 

 
 

    

 


I don&#039;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric the Political Hack Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.</p>
<p>Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &#8220;family values&#8221; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.</p>
<p>Tacking on &#8220;ophobic&#8221; to your chosen noun doesn&#8217;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. </p>
<p>&#8220;Islamophobia!&#8221; &#8220;Homophobia!&#8221; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. </p>
<p>How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#8217;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.</p>
<p>I will believe that &#8220;multi-culturalism&#8221; isn&#8217;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.</p>
<p>The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.</p>
<p>The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition&#8212;overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576939</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.

Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians - and an Arkansan - in a Band, of whose name I don&#039;t recall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.</p>
<p>Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians &#8211; and an Arkansan &#8211; in a Band, of whose name I don&#8217;t recall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576938</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &quot;Country and Western&quot; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &#8220;Country and Western&#8221; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576936</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &quot;pro environment&quot; as it was viewed back then.  

However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#039;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &#8220;pro environment&#8221; as it was viewed back then.  </p>
<p>However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#8217;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</p>
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		<title>By: jim hitchcock</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim hitchcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576929</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576924</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#039;d be my man. And he&#039;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#039;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#8217;d be my man. And he&#8217;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#8217;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576923</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down - two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#039;t be bothered to show up - and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.

Oh well, there&#039;s always South Carolina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down &#8211; two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#8217;t be bothered to show up &#8211; and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.</p>
<p>Oh well, there&#8217;s always South Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerryactric John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great post thanks very much</description>
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		<description>great post thanks very much</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you can me&quot; -&gt; &quot;you can add me&quot;.

Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#039;t tell my clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you can me&#8221; -&gt; &#8220;you can add me&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#8217;t tell my clients.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#039;d never vote for, but who I&#039;d love to campaign for -- because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember -- or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.

Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#039;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#039;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.

Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#039; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &quot;y&#039;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&quot;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on ... &quot;y&#039;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#039;s-er-name, starts with an &#039;M&#039;?&quot; &quot;Um ... I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&quot;  &quot;Y&#039;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&quot;  (Somehow, I can&#039;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#039;ll let Woody make something up for me.)

By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#039;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &quot;Compassionate&quot;?  If &quot;conservative&quot; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#039;t so easily practice what&#039;s been preached to them?

Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#039;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#8217;d never vote for, but who I&#8217;d love to campaign for &#8212; because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember &#8212; or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.</p>
<p>Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#8217;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#8217;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.</p>
<p>Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#8217; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &#8220;y&#8217;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&#8221;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on &#8230; &#8220;y&#8217;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#8217;s-er-name, starts with an &#8216;M&#8217;?&#8221; &#8220;Um &#8230; I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&#8221;  &#8220;Y&#8217;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&#8221;  (Somehow, I can&#8217;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#8217;ll let Woody make something up for me.)</p>
<p>By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#8217;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &#8220;Compassionate&#8221;?  If &#8220;conservative&#8221; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#8217;t so easily practice what&#8217;s been preached to them?</p>
<p>Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#8217;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#039;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#8217;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:

&quot;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&quot;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:</p>
<p>&#8220;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</a></p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families

A)  Bullshit
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families</p>
<p>A)  Bullshit<br />
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576957</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576952</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.

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MY  NEW  TRUCK 

I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#039;t get the radio to work.

The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  

&quot;Nelson,&quot; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&quot;Ricky or Willie?&quot; &quot;Willie!&quot; he continued and &quot;On The Road Again&quot; came from the speakers. 

Then he said, &quot;Ray Charles!&quot;, and in an instant &quot;Georgia On My  Mind&quot; replaced Willie Nelson.

I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#039;d say,  Beethoven,&quot; I&#039;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &quot;Beatles,&quot; I&#039;d get one of their awesome songs. 
 
Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &quot;Idiots!&quot; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.
 
I LOVE this truck!!!

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I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#039; email lists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>MY  NEW  TRUCK </p>
<p>I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#8217;t get the radio to work.</p>
<p>The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Nelson,&#8221; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&#8221;Ricky or Willie?&#8221; &#8220;Willie!&#8221; he continued and &#8220;On The Road Again&#8221; came from the speakers. </p>
<p>Then he said, &#8220;Ray Charles!&#8221;, and in an instant &#8220;Georgia On My  Mind&#8221; replaced Willie Nelson.</p>
<p>I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#8217;d say,  Beethoven,&#8221; I&#8217;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &#8220;Beatles,&#8221; I&#8217;d get one of their awesome songs. </p>
<p>Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &#8220;Idiots!&#8221; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.</p>
<p>I LOVE this truck!!!</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#8217; email lists.</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576949</link>
		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&quot;

No Samuel. It&#039;s not partisan ideology, it&#039;s simple logic and basic observation.

Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored--that didn&#039;t share enthusiastic Democratic support--that was written to help urban poor families. 

You can&#039;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.

Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &quot;family values&quot; marketing slogan.

The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.

To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#039;s support for their effort.

Family values are important and it&#039;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#039;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>No Samuel. It&#8217;s not partisan ideology, it&#8217;s simple logic and basic observation.</p>
<p>Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored&#8211;that didn&#8217;t share enthusiastic Democratic support&#8211;that was written to help urban poor families. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.</p>
<p>Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &#8220;family values&#8221; marketing slogan.</p>
<p>The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.</p>
<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#8217;s support for their effort.</p>
<p>Family values are important and it&#8217;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#8217;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Stott</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576940</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel Stott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric the Political Hack Says: 

&quot;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&quot;

It&#039;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.

Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &quot;family values&quot; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.

Tacking on &quot;ophobic&quot; to your chosen noun doesn&#039;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. 

&quot;Islamophobia!&quot; &quot;Homophobia!&quot; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. 

How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#039;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.

I will believe that &quot;multi-culturalism&quot; isn&#039;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.

The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.

The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition---overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. 

 
 

    

 


I don&#039;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric the Political Hack Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.</p>
<p>Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &#8220;family values&#8221; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.</p>
<p>Tacking on &#8220;ophobic&#8221; to your chosen noun doesn&#8217;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. </p>
<p>&#8220;Islamophobia!&#8221; &#8220;Homophobia!&#8221; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. </p>
<p>How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#8217;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.</p>
<p>I will believe that &#8220;multi-culturalism&#8221; isn&#8217;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.</p>
<p>The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.</p>
<p>The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition&#8212;overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.

Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians - and an Arkansan - in a Band, of whose name I don&#039;t recall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.</p>
<p>Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians &#8211; and an Arkansan &#8211; in a Band, of whose name I don&#8217;t recall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &quot;Country and Western&quot; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &#8220;Country and Western&#8221; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576936</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &quot;pro environment&quot; as it was viewed back then.  

However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#039;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &#8220;pro environment&#8221; as it was viewed back then.  </p>
<p>However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#8217;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</p>
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		<title>By: jim hitchcock</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576929</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#039;d be my man. And he&#039;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#039;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#8217;d be my man. And he&#8217;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#8217;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down - two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#039;t be bothered to show up - and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.

Oh well, there&#039;s always South Carolina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down &#8211; two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#8217;t be bothered to show up &#8211; and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.</p>
<p>Oh well, there&#8217;s always South Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you can me&quot; -&gt; &quot;you can add me&quot;.

Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#039;t tell my clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you can me&#8221; -&gt; &#8220;you can add me&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#039;d never vote for, but who I&#039;d love to campaign for -- because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember -- or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.

Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#039;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#039;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.

Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#039; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &quot;y&#039;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&quot;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on ... &quot;y&#039;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#039;s-er-name, starts with an &#039;M&#039;?&quot; &quot;Um ... I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&quot;  &quot;Y&#039;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&quot;  (Somehow, I can&#039;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#039;ll let Woody make something up for me.)

By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#039;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &quot;Compassionate&quot;?  If &quot;conservative&quot; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#039;t so easily practice what&#039;s been preached to them?

Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#039;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#8217;d never vote for, but who I&#8217;d love to campaign for &#8212; because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember &#8212; or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.</p>
<p>Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#8217;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#8217;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.</p>
<p>Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#8217; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &#8220;y&#8217;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&#8221;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on &#8230; &#8220;y&#8217;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#8217;s-er-name, starts with an &#8216;M&#8217;?&#8221; &#8220;Um &#8230; I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&#8221;  &#8220;Y&#8217;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&#8221;  (Somehow, I can&#8217;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#8217;ll let Woody make something up for me.)</p>
<p>By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#8217;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &#8220;Compassionate&#8221;?  If &#8220;conservative&#8221; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#8217;t so easily practice what&#8217;s been preached to them?</p>
<p>Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#8217;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576990</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#039;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#8217;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576984</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:

&quot;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&quot;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:</p>
<p>&#8220;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</a></p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576959</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families

A)  Bullshit
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families</p>
<p>A)  Bullshit<br />
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576957</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576952</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.

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MY  NEW  TRUCK 

I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#039;t get the radio to work.

The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  

&quot;Nelson,&quot; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&quot;Ricky or Willie?&quot; &quot;Willie!&quot; he continued and &quot;On The Road Again&quot; came from the speakers. 

Then he said, &quot;Ray Charles!&quot;, and in an instant &quot;Georgia On My  Mind&quot; replaced Willie Nelson.

I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#039;d say,  Beethoven,&quot; I&#039;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &quot;Beatles,&quot; I&#039;d get one of their awesome songs. 
 
Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &quot;Idiots!&quot; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.
 
I LOVE this truck!!!

---

I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#039; email lists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>MY  NEW  TRUCK </p>
<p>I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#8217;t get the radio to work.</p>
<p>The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Nelson,&#8221; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&#8221;Ricky or Willie?&#8221; &#8220;Willie!&#8221; he continued and &#8220;On The Road Again&#8221; came from the speakers. </p>
<p>Then he said, &#8220;Ray Charles!&#8221;, and in an instant &#8220;Georgia On My  Mind&#8221; replaced Willie Nelson.</p>
<p>I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#8217;d say,  Beethoven,&#8221; I&#8217;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &#8220;Beatles,&#8221; I&#8217;d get one of their awesome songs. </p>
<p>Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &#8220;Idiots!&#8221; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.</p>
<p>I LOVE this truck!!!</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#8217; email lists.</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576949</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&quot;

No Samuel. It&#039;s not partisan ideology, it&#039;s simple logic and basic observation.

Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored--that didn&#039;t share enthusiastic Democratic support--that was written to help urban poor families. 

You can&#039;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.

Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &quot;family values&quot; marketing slogan.

The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.

To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#039;s support for their effort.

Family values are important and it&#039;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#039;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>No Samuel. It&#8217;s not partisan ideology, it&#8217;s simple logic and basic observation.</p>
<p>Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored&#8211;that didn&#8217;t share enthusiastic Democratic support&#8211;that was written to help urban poor families. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.</p>
<p>Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &#8220;family values&#8221; marketing slogan.</p>
<p>The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.</p>
<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#8217;s support for their effort.</p>
<p>Family values are important and it&#8217;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#8217;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Stott</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576940</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel Stott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric the Political Hack Says: 

&quot;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&quot;

It&#039;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.

Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &quot;family values&quot; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.

Tacking on &quot;ophobic&quot; to your chosen noun doesn&#039;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. 

&quot;Islamophobia!&quot; &quot;Homophobia!&quot; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. 

How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#039;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.

I will believe that &quot;multi-culturalism&quot; isn&#039;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.

The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.

The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition---overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. 

 
 

    

 


I don&#039;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric the Political Hack Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.</p>
<p>Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &#8220;family values&#8221; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.</p>
<p>Tacking on &#8220;ophobic&#8221; to your chosen noun doesn&#8217;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. </p>
<p>&#8220;Islamophobia!&#8221; &#8220;Homophobia!&#8221; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. </p>
<p>How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#8217;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.</p>
<p>I will believe that &#8220;multi-culturalism&#8221; isn&#8217;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.</p>
<p>The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.</p>
<p>The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition&#8212;overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.

Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians - and an Arkansan - in a Band, of whose name I don&#039;t recall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.</p>
<p>Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians &#8211; and an Arkansan &#8211; in a Band, of whose name I don&#8217;t recall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576938</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &quot;Country and Western&quot; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &#8220;Country and Western&#8221; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576936</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &quot;pro environment&quot; as it was viewed back then.  

However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#039;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &#8220;pro environment&#8221; as it was viewed back then.  </p>
<p>However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#8217;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</p>
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		<title>By: jim hitchcock</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim hitchcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#039;d be my man. And he&#039;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#039;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#8217;d be my man. And he&#8217;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#8217;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down - two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#039;t be bothered to show up - and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.

Oh well, there&#039;s always South Carolina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down &#8211; two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#8217;t be bothered to show up &#8211; and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.</p>
<p>Oh well, there&#8217;s always South Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>best credit card for teens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#039;d never vote for, but who I&#039;d love to campaign for -- because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember -- or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.

Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#039;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#039;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.

Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#039; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &quot;y&#039;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&quot;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on ... &quot;y&#039;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#039;s-er-name, starts with an &#039;M&#039;?&quot; &quot;Um ... I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&quot;  &quot;Y&#039;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&quot;  (Somehow, I can&#039;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#039;ll let Woody make something up for me.)

By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#039;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &quot;Compassionate&quot;?  If &quot;conservative&quot; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#039;t so easily practice what&#039;s been preached to them?

Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#039;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#8217;d never vote for, but who I&#8217;d love to campaign for &#8212; because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember &#8212; or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.</p>
<p>Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#8217;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#8217;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.</p>
<p>Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#8217; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &#8220;y&#8217;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&#8221;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on &#8230; &#8220;y&#8217;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#8217;s-er-name, starts with an &#8216;M&#8217;?&#8221; &#8220;Um &#8230; I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&#8221;  &#8220;Y&#8217;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&#8221;  (Somehow, I can&#8217;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#8217;ll let Woody make something up for me.)</p>
<p>By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#8217;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &#8220;Compassionate&#8221;?  If &#8220;conservative&#8221; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#8217;t so easily practice what&#8217;s been preached to them?</p>
<p>Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#8217;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#039;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#8217;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:

&quot;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&quot;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:</p>
<p>&#8220;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</a></p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families

A)  Bullshit
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families</p>
<p>A)  Bullshit<br />
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.

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MY  NEW  TRUCK 

I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#039;t get the radio to work.

The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  

&quot;Nelson,&quot; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&quot;Ricky or Willie?&quot; &quot;Willie!&quot; he continued and &quot;On The Road Again&quot; came from the speakers. 

Then he said, &quot;Ray Charles!&quot;, and in an instant &quot;Georgia On My  Mind&quot; replaced Willie Nelson.

I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#039;d say,  Beethoven,&quot; I&#039;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &quot;Beatles,&quot; I&#039;d get one of their awesome songs. 
 
Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &quot;Idiots!&quot; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.
 
I LOVE this truck!!!

---

I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#039; email lists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>MY  NEW  TRUCK </p>
<p>I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#8217;t get the radio to work.</p>
<p>The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Nelson,&#8221; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&#8221;Ricky or Willie?&#8221; &#8220;Willie!&#8221; he continued and &#8220;On The Road Again&#8221; came from the speakers. </p>
<p>Then he said, &#8220;Ray Charles!&#8221;, and in an instant &#8220;Georgia On My  Mind&#8221; replaced Willie Nelson.</p>
<p>I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#8217;d say,  Beethoven,&#8221; I&#8217;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &#8220;Beatles,&#8221; I&#8217;d get one of their awesome songs. </p>
<p>Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &#8220;Idiots!&#8221; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.</p>
<p>I LOVE this truck!!!</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#8217; email lists.</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&quot;

No Samuel. It&#039;s not partisan ideology, it&#039;s simple logic and basic observation.

Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored--that didn&#039;t share enthusiastic Democratic support--that was written to help urban poor families. 

You can&#039;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.

Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &quot;family values&quot; marketing slogan.

The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.

To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#039;s support for their effort.

Family values are important and it&#039;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#039;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>No Samuel. It&#8217;s not partisan ideology, it&#8217;s simple logic and basic observation.</p>
<p>Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored&#8211;that didn&#8217;t share enthusiastic Democratic support&#8211;that was written to help urban poor families. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.</p>
<p>Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &#8220;family values&#8221; marketing slogan.</p>
<p>The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.</p>
<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#8217;s support for their effort.</p>
<p>Family values are important and it&#8217;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#8217;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Stott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel Stott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric the Political Hack Says: 

&quot;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&quot;

It&#039;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.

Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &quot;family values&quot; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.

Tacking on &quot;ophobic&quot; to your chosen noun doesn&#039;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. 

&quot;Islamophobia!&quot; &quot;Homophobia!&quot; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. 

How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#039;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.

I will believe that &quot;multi-culturalism&quot; isn&#039;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.

The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.

The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition---overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. 

 
 

    

 


I don&#039;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric the Political Hack Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.</p>
<p>Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &#8220;family values&#8221; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.</p>
<p>Tacking on &#8220;ophobic&#8221; to your chosen noun doesn&#8217;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. </p>
<p>&#8220;Islamophobia!&#8221; &#8220;Homophobia!&#8221; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. </p>
<p>How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#8217;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.</p>
<p>I will believe that &#8220;multi-culturalism&#8221; isn&#8217;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.</p>
<p>The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.</p>
<p>The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition&#8212;overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.

Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians - and an Arkansan - in a Band, of whose name I don&#039;t recall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.</p>
<p>Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians &#8211; and an Arkansan &#8211; in a Band, of whose name I don&#8217;t recall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &quot;Country and Western&quot; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &#8220;Country and Western&#8221; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576936</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &quot;pro environment&quot; as it was viewed back then.  

However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#039;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &#8220;pro environment&#8221; as it was viewed back then.  </p>
<p>However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#8217;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</p>
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		<title>By: jim hitchcock</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#039;d be my man. And he&#039;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#039;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#8217;d be my man. And he&#8217;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#8217;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down - two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#039;t be bothered to show up - and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.

Oh well, there&#039;s always South Carolina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down &#8211; two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#8217;t be bothered to show up &#8211; and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.</p>
<p>Oh well, there&#8217;s always South Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you can me&quot; -&gt; &quot;you can add me&quot;.

Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#039;t tell my clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you can me&#8221; -&gt; &#8220;you can add me&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#8217;t tell my clients.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you can me&quot; -&gt; &quot;you can add me&quot;.

Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#039;t tell my clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you can me&#8221; -&gt; &#8220;you can add me&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#8217;t tell my clients.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-577074</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#039;d never vote for, but who I&#039;d love to campaign for -- because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember -- or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.

Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#039;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#039;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.

Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#039; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &quot;y&#039;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&quot;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on ... &quot;y&#039;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#039;s-er-name, starts with an &#039;M&#039;?&quot; &quot;Um ... I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&quot;  &quot;Y&#039;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&quot;  (Somehow, I can&#039;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#039;ll let Woody make something up for me.)

By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#039;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &quot;Compassionate&quot;?  If &quot;conservative&quot; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#039;t so easily practice what&#039;s been preached to them?

Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#039;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#8217;d never vote for, but who I&#8217;d love to campaign for &#8212; because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember &#8212; or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.</p>
<p>Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#8217;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#8217;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.</p>
<p>Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#8217; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &#8220;y&#8217;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&#8221;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on &#8230; &#8220;y&#8217;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#8217;s-er-name, starts with an &#8216;M&#8217;?&#8221; &#8220;Um &#8230; I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&#8221;  &#8220;Y&#8217;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&#8221;  (Somehow, I can&#8217;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#8217;ll let Woody make something up for me.)</p>
<p>By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#8217;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &#8220;Compassionate&#8221;?  If &#8220;conservative&#8221; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#8217;t so easily practice what&#8217;s been preached to them?</p>
<p>Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#8217;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#039;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#8217;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:

&quot;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&quot;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:</p>
<p>&#8220;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</a></p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families

A)  Bullshit
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families</p>
<p>A)  Bullshit<br />
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576952</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.

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MY  NEW  TRUCK 

I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#039;t get the radio to work.

The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  

&quot;Nelson,&quot; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&quot;Ricky or Willie?&quot; &quot;Willie!&quot; he continued and &quot;On The Road Again&quot; came from the speakers. 

Then he said, &quot;Ray Charles!&quot;, and in an instant &quot;Georgia On My  Mind&quot; replaced Willie Nelson.

I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#039;d say,  Beethoven,&quot; I&#039;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &quot;Beatles,&quot; I&#039;d get one of their awesome songs. 
 
Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &quot;Idiots!&quot; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.
 
I LOVE this truck!!!

---

I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#039; email lists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>MY  NEW  TRUCK </p>
<p>I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#8217;t get the radio to work.</p>
<p>The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Nelson,&#8221; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&#8221;Ricky or Willie?&#8221; &#8220;Willie!&#8221; he continued and &#8220;On The Road Again&#8221; came from the speakers. </p>
<p>Then he said, &#8220;Ray Charles!&#8221;, and in an instant &#8220;Georgia On My  Mind&#8221; replaced Willie Nelson.</p>
<p>I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#8217;d say,  Beethoven,&#8221; I&#8217;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &#8220;Beatles,&#8221; I&#8217;d get one of their awesome songs. </p>
<p>Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &#8220;Idiots!&#8221; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.</p>
<p>I LOVE this truck!!!</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#8217; email lists.</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&quot;

No Samuel. It&#039;s not partisan ideology, it&#039;s simple logic and basic observation.

Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored--that didn&#039;t share enthusiastic Democratic support--that was written to help urban poor families. 

You can&#039;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.

Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &quot;family values&quot; marketing slogan.

The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.

To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#039;s support for their effort.

Family values are important and it&#039;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#039;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>No Samuel. It&#8217;s not partisan ideology, it&#8217;s simple logic and basic observation.</p>
<p>Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored&#8211;that didn&#8217;t share enthusiastic Democratic support&#8211;that was written to help urban poor families. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.</p>
<p>Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &#8220;family values&#8221; marketing slogan.</p>
<p>The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.</p>
<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#8217;s support for their effort.</p>
<p>Family values are important and it&#8217;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#8217;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Stott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel Stott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric the Political Hack Says: 

&quot;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&quot;

It&#039;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.

Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &quot;family values&quot; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.

Tacking on &quot;ophobic&quot; to your chosen noun doesn&#039;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. 

&quot;Islamophobia!&quot; &quot;Homophobia!&quot; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. 

How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#039;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.

I will believe that &quot;multi-culturalism&quot; isn&#039;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.

The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.

The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition---overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. 

 
 

    

 


I don&#039;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</description>
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<p>&#8220;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.</p>
<p>Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &#8220;family values&#8221; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.</p>
<p>Tacking on &#8220;ophobic&#8221; to your chosen noun doesn&#8217;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. </p>
<p>&#8220;Islamophobia!&#8221; &#8220;Homophobia!&#8221; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. </p>
<p>How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#8217;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.</p>
<p>I will believe that &#8220;multi-culturalism&#8221; isn&#8217;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.</p>
<p>The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.</p>
<p>The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition&#8212;overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.

Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians - and an Arkansan - in a Band, of whose name I don&#039;t recall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.</p>
<p>Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians &#8211; and an Arkansan &#8211; in a Band, of whose name I don&#8217;t recall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &quot;Country and Western&quot; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &#8220;Country and Western&#8221; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &quot;pro environment&quot; as it was viewed back then.  

However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#039;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &#8220;pro environment&#8221; as it was viewed back then.  </p>
<p>However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#8217;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</p>
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		<title>By: jim hitchcock</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#039;d be my man. And he&#039;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#039;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#8217;d be my man. And he&#8217;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#8217;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down - two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#039;t be bothered to show up - and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.

Oh well, there&#039;s always South Carolina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down &#8211; two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#8217;t be bothered to show up &#8211; and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.</p>
<p>Oh well, there&#8217;s always South Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#039;d never vote for, but who I&#039;d love to campaign for -- because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember -- or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.

Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#039;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#039;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.

Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#039; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &quot;y&#039;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&quot;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on ... &quot;y&#039;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#039;s-er-name, starts with an &#039;M&#039;?&quot; &quot;Um ... I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&quot;  &quot;Y&#039;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&quot;  (Somehow, I can&#039;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#039;ll let Woody make something up for me.)

By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#039;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &quot;Compassionate&quot;?  If &quot;conservative&quot; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#039;t so easily practice what&#039;s been preached to them?

Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#039;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#8217;d never vote for, but who I&#8217;d love to campaign for &#8212; because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember &#8212; or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.</p>
<p>Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#8217;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#8217;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.</p>
<p>Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#8217; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &#8220;y&#8217;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&#8221;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on &#8230; &#8220;y&#8217;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#8217;s-er-name, starts with an &#8216;M&#8217;?&#8221; &#8220;Um &#8230; I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&#8221;  &#8220;Y&#8217;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&#8221;  (Somehow, I can&#8217;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#8217;ll let Woody make something up for me.)</p>
<p>By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#8217;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &#8220;Compassionate&#8221;?  If &#8220;conservative&#8221; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#8217;t so easily practice what&#8217;s been preached to them?</p>
<p>Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#8217;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</p>
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		<description>&quot;you can me&quot; -&gt; &quot;you can add me&quot;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you can me&#8221; -&gt; &#8220;you can add me&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#8217;t tell my clients.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#039;d never vote for, but who I&#039;d love to campaign for -- because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember -- or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.

Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#039;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#039;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.

Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#039; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &quot;y&#039;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&quot;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on ... &quot;y&#039;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#039;s-er-name, starts with an &#039;M&#039;?&quot; &quot;Um ... I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&quot;  &quot;Y&#039;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&quot;  (Somehow, I can&#039;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#039;ll let Woody make something up for me.)

By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#039;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &quot;Compassionate&quot;?  If &quot;conservative&quot; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#039;t so easily practice what&#039;s been preached to them?

Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#039;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#8217;d never vote for, but who I&#8217;d love to campaign for &#8212; because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember &#8212; or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.</p>
<p>Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#8217;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#8217;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.</p>
<p>Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#8217; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &#8220;y&#8217;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&#8221;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on &#8230; &#8220;y&#8217;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#8217;s-er-name, starts with an &#8216;M&#8217;?&#8221; &#8220;Um &#8230; I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&#8221;  &#8220;Y&#8217;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&#8221;  (Somehow, I can&#8217;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#8217;ll let Woody make something up for me.)</p>
<p>By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#8217;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &#8220;Compassionate&#8221;?  If &#8220;conservative&#8221; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#8217;t so easily practice what&#8217;s been preached to them?</p>
<p>Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#8217;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576990</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#039;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#8217;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576984</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:

&quot;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&quot;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:</p>
<p>&#8220;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</a></p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576959</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families

A)  Bullshit
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families</p>
<p>A)  Bullshit<br />
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576957</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576952</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.

---

MY  NEW  TRUCK 

I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#039;t get the radio to work.

The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  

&quot;Nelson,&quot; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&quot;Ricky or Willie?&quot; &quot;Willie!&quot; he continued and &quot;On The Road Again&quot; came from the speakers. 

Then he said, &quot;Ray Charles!&quot;, and in an instant &quot;Georgia On My  Mind&quot; replaced Willie Nelson.

I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#039;d say,  Beethoven,&quot; I&#039;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &quot;Beatles,&quot; I&#039;d get one of their awesome songs. 
 
Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &quot;Idiots!&quot; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.
 
I LOVE this truck!!!

---

I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#039; email lists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>MY  NEW  TRUCK </p>
<p>I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#8217;t get the radio to work.</p>
<p>The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Nelson,&#8221; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&#8221;Ricky or Willie?&#8221; &#8220;Willie!&#8221; he continued and &#8220;On The Road Again&#8221; came from the speakers. </p>
<p>Then he said, &#8220;Ray Charles!&#8221;, and in an instant &#8220;Georgia On My  Mind&#8221; replaced Willie Nelson.</p>
<p>I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#8217;d say,  Beethoven,&#8221; I&#8217;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &#8220;Beatles,&#8221; I&#8217;d get one of their awesome songs. </p>
<p>Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &#8220;Idiots!&#8221; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.</p>
<p>I LOVE this truck!!!</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#8217; email lists.</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576949</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&quot;

No Samuel. It&#039;s not partisan ideology, it&#039;s simple logic and basic observation.

Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored--that didn&#039;t share enthusiastic Democratic support--that was written to help urban poor families. 

You can&#039;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.

Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &quot;family values&quot; marketing slogan.

The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.

To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#039;s support for their effort.

Family values are important and it&#039;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#039;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>No Samuel. It&#8217;s not partisan ideology, it&#8217;s simple logic and basic observation.</p>
<p>Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored&#8211;that didn&#8217;t share enthusiastic Democratic support&#8211;that was written to help urban poor families. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.</p>
<p>Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &#8220;family values&#8221; marketing slogan.</p>
<p>The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.</p>
<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#8217;s support for their effort.</p>
<p>Family values are important and it&#8217;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#8217;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Stott</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576940</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel Stott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric the Political Hack Says: 

&quot;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&quot;

It&#039;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.

Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &quot;family values&quot; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.

Tacking on &quot;ophobic&quot; to your chosen noun doesn&#039;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. 

&quot;Islamophobia!&quot; &quot;Homophobia!&quot; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. 

How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#039;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.

I will believe that &quot;multi-culturalism&quot; isn&#039;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.

The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.

The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition---overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. 

 
 

    

 


I don&#039;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric the Political Hack Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.</p>
<p>Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &#8220;family values&#8221; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.</p>
<p>Tacking on &#8220;ophobic&#8221; to your chosen noun doesn&#8217;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. </p>
<p>&#8220;Islamophobia!&#8221; &#8220;Homophobia!&#8221; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. </p>
<p>How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#8217;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.</p>
<p>I will believe that &#8220;multi-culturalism&#8221; isn&#8217;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.</p>
<p>The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.</p>
<p>The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition&#8212;overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.

Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians - and an Arkansan - in a Band, of whose name I don&#039;t recall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.</p>
<p>Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians &#8211; and an Arkansan &#8211; in a Band, of whose name I don&#8217;t recall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &quot;Country and Western&quot; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &#8220;Country and Western&#8221; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576936</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &quot;pro environment&quot; as it was viewed back then.  

However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#039;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &#8220;pro environment&#8221; as it was viewed back then.  </p>
<p>However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#8217;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</p>
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		<title>By: jim hitchcock</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#039;d be my man. And he&#039;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#039;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#8217;d be my man. And he&#8217;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#8217;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down - two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#039;t be bothered to show up - and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.

Oh well, there&#039;s always South Carolina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down &#8211; two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#8217;t be bothered to show up &#8211; and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.</p>
<p>Oh well, there&#8217;s always South Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#039;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#8217;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;best credit card for teens...&lt;/strong&gt;

Any info on credit cards other than this topic?...</description>
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<p>Any info on credit cards other than this topic?&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-577075</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you can me&quot; -&gt; &quot;you can add me&quot;.

Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#039;t tell my clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you can me&#8221; -&gt; &#8220;you can add me&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#8217;t tell my clients.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-577074</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#039;d never vote for, but who I&#039;d love to campaign for -- because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember -- or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.

Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#039;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#039;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.

Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#039; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &quot;y&#039;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&quot;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on ... &quot;y&#039;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#039;s-er-name, starts with an &#039;M&#039;?&quot; &quot;Um ... I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&quot;  &quot;Y&#039;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&quot;  (Somehow, I can&#039;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#039;ll let Woody make something up for me.)

By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#039;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &quot;Compassionate&quot;?  If &quot;conservative&quot; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#039;t so easily practice what&#039;s been preached to them?

Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#039;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#8217;d never vote for, but who I&#8217;d love to campaign for &#8212; because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember &#8212; or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.</p>
<p>Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#8217;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#8217;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.</p>
<p>Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#8217; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &#8220;y&#8217;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&#8221;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on &#8230; &#8220;y&#8217;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#8217;s-er-name, starts with an &#8216;M&#8217;?&#8221; &#8220;Um &#8230; I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&#8221;  &#8220;Y&#8217;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&#8221;  (Somehow, I can&#8217;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#8217;ll let Woody make something up for me.)</p>
<p>By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#8217;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &#8220;Compassionate&#8221;?  If &#8220;conservative&#8221; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#8217;t so easily practice what&#8217;s been preached to them?</p>
<p>Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#8217;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576990</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#039;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#8217;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576984</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:

&quot;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&quot;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:</p>
<p>&#8220;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</a></p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576959</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families

A)  Bullshit
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families</p>
<p>A)  Bullshit<br />
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576957</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576952</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.

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MY  NEW  TRUCK 

I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#039;t get the radio to work.

The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  

&quot;Nelson,&quot; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&quot;Ricky or Willie?&quot; &quot;Willie!&quot; he continued and &quot;On The Road Again&quot; came from the speakers. 

Then he said, &quot;Ray Charles!&quot;, and in an instant &quot;Georgia On My  Mind&quot; replaced Willie Nelson.

I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#039;d say,  Beethoven,&quot; I&#039;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &quot;Beatles,&quot; I&#039;d get one of their awesome songs. 
 
Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &quot;Idiots!&quot; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.
 
I LOVE this truck!!!

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I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#039; email lists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>MY  NEW  TRUCK </p>
<p>I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#8217;t get the radio to work.</p>
<p>The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Nelson,&#8221; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&#8221;Ricky or Willie?&#8221; &#8220;Willie!&#8221; he continued and &#8220;On The Road Again&#8221; came from the speakers. </p>
<p>Then he said, &#8220;Ray Charles!&#8221;, and in an instant &#8220;Georgia On My  Mind&#8221; replaced Willie Nelson.</p>
<p>I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#8217;d say,  Beethoven,&#8221; I&#8217;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &#8220;Beatles,&#8221; I&#8217;d get one of their awesome songs. </p>
<p>Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &#8220;Idiots!&#8221; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.</p>
<p>I LOVE this truck!!!</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#8217; email lists.</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&quot;

No Samuel. It&#039;s not partisan ideology, it&#039;s simple logic and basic observation.

Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored--that didn&#039;t share enthusiastic Democratic support--that was written to help urban poor families. 

You can&#039;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.

Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &quot;family values&quot; marketing slogan.

The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.

To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#039;s support for their effort.

Family values are important and it&#039;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#039;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>No Samuel. It&#8217;s not partisan ideology, it&#8217;s simple logic and basic observation.</p>
<p>Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored&#8211;that didn&#8217;t share enthusiastic Democratic support&#8211;that was written to help urban poor families. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.</p>
<p>Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &#8220;family values&#8221; marketing slogan.</p>
<p>The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.</p>
<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#8217;s support for their effort.</p>
<p>Family values are important and it&#8217;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#8217;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Stott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel Stott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric the Political Hack Says: 

&quot;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&quot;

It&#039;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.

Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &quot;family values&quot; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.

Tacking on &quot;ophobic&quot; to your chosen noun doesn&#039;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. 

&quot;Islamophobia!&quot; &quot;Homophobia!&quot; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. 

How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#039;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.

I will believe that &quot;multi-culturalism&quot; isn&#039;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.

The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.

The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition---overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. 

 
 

    

 


I don&#039;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric the Political Hack Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.</p>
<p>Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &#8220;family values&#8221; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.</p>
<p>Tacking on &#8220;ophobic&#8221; to your chosen noun doesn&#8217;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. </p>
<p>&#8220;Islamophobia!&#8221; &#8220;Homophobia!&#8221; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. </p>
<p>How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#8217;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.</p>
<p>I will believe that &#8220;multi-culturalism&#8221; isn&#8217;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.</p>
<p>The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.</p>
<p>The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition&#8212;overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.

Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians - and an Arkansan - in a Band, of whose name I don&#039;t recall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.</p>
<p>Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians &#8211; and an Arkansan &#8211; in a Band, of whose name I don&#8217;t recall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &quot;Country and Western&quot; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &#8220;Country and Western&#8221; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576936</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &quot;pro environment&quot; as it was viewed back then.  

However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#039;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &#8220;pro environment&#8221; as it was viewed back then.  </p>
<p>However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#8217;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</p>
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		<title>By: jim hitchcock</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim hitchcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#039;d be my man. And he&#039;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#039;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#8217;d be my man. And he&#8217;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#8217;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down - two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#039;t be bothered to show up - and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.

Oh well, there&#039;s always South Carolina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down &#8211; two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#8217;t be bothered to show up &#8211; and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.</p>
<p>Oh well, there&#8217;s always South Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turmon</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:

&quot;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&quot;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:</p>
<p>&#8220;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you can me&quot; -&gt; &quot;you can add me&quot;.

Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#039;t tell my clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you can me&#8221; -&gt; &#8220;you can add me&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#8217;t tell my clients.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-577074</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#039;d never vote for, but who I&#039;d love to campaign for -- because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember -- or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.

Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#039;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#039;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.

Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#039; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &quot;y&#039;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&quot;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on ... &quot;y&#039;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#039;s-er-name, starts with an &#039;M&#039;?&quot; &quot;Um ... I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&quot;  &quot;Y&#039;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&quot;  (Somehow, I can&#039;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#039;ll let Woody make something up for me.)

By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#039;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &quot;Compassionate&quot;?  If &quot;conservative&quot; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#039;t so easily practice what&#039;s been preached to them?

Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#039;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#8217;d never vote for, but who I&#8217;d love to campaign for &#8212; because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember &#8212; or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.</p>
<p>Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#8217;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#8217;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.</p>
<p>Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#8217; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &#8220;y&#8217;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&#8221;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on &#8230; &#8220;y&#8217;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#8217;s-er-name, starts with an &#8216;M&#8217;?&#8221; &#8220;Um &#8230; I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&#8221;  &#8220;Y&#8217;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&#8221;  (Somehow, I can&#8217;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#8217;ll let Woody make something up for me.)</p>
<p>By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#8217;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &#8220;Compassionate&#8221;?  If &#8220;conservative&#8221; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#8217;t so easily practice what&#8217;s been preached to them?</p>
<p>Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#8217;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#039;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#8217;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:

&quot;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&quot;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:</p>
<p>&#8220;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</a></p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families

A)  Bullshit
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families</p>
<p>A)  Bullshit<br />
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.

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MY  NEW  TRUCK 

I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#039;t get the radio to work.

The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  

&quot;Nelson,&quot; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&quot;Ricky or Willie?&quot; &quot;Willie!&quot; he continued and &quot;On The Road Again&quot; came from the speakers. 

Then he said, &quot;Ray Charles!&quot;, and in an instant &quot;Georgia On My  Mind&quot; replaced Willie Nelson.

I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#039;d say,  Beethoven,&quot; I&#039;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &quot;Beatles,&quot; I&#039;d get one of their awesome songs. 
 
Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &quot;Idiots!&quot; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.
 
I LOVE this truck!!!

---

I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#039; email lists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>MY  NEW  TRUCK </p>
<p>I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#8217;t get the radio to work.</p>
<p>The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Nelson,&#8221; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&#8221;Ricky or Willie?&#8221; &#8220;Willie!&#8221; he continued and &#8220;On The Road Again&#8221; came from the speakers. </p>
<p>Then he said, &#8220;Ray Charles!&#8221;, and in an instant &#8220;Georgia On My  Mind&#8221; replaced Willie Nelson.</p>
<p>I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#8217;d say,  Beethoven,&#8221; I&#8217;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &#8220;Beatles,&#8221; I&#8217;d get one of their awesome songs. </p>
<p>Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &#8220;Idiots!&#8221; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.</p>
<p>I LOVE this truck!!!</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#8217; email lists.</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&quot;

No Samuel. It&#039;s not partisan ideology, it&#039;s simple logic and basic observation.

Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored--that didn&#039;t share enthusiastic Democratic support--that was written to help urban poor families. 

You can&#039;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.

Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &quot;family values&quot; marketing slogan.

The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.

To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#039;s support for their effort.

Family values are important and it&#039;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#039;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>No Samuel. It&#8217;s not partisan ideology, it&#8217;s simple logic and basic observation.</p>
<p>Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored&#8211;that didn&#8217;t share enthusiastic Democratic support&#8211;that was written to help urban poor families. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.</p>
<p>Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &#8220;family values&#8221; marketing slogan.</p>
<p>The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.</p>
<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#8217;s support for their effort.</p>
<p>Family values are important and it&#8217;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#8217;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Stott</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric the Political Hack Says: 

&quot;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&quot;

It&#039;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.

Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &quot;family values&quot; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.

Tacking on &quot;ophobic&quot; to your chosen noun doesn&#039;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. 

&quot;Islamophobia!&quot; &quot;Homophobia!&quot; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. 

How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#039;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.

I will believe that &quot;multi-culturalism&quot; isn&#039;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.

The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.

The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition---overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. 

 
 

    

 


I don&#039;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric the Political Hack Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.</p>
<p>Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &#8220;family values&#8221; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.</p>
<p>Tacking on &#8220;ophobic&#8221; to your chosen noun doesn&#8217;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. </p>
<p>&#8220;Islamophobia!&#8221; &#8220;Homophobia!&#8221; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. </p>
<p>How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#8217;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.</p>
<p>I will believe that &#8220;multi-culturalism&#8221; isn&#8217;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.</p>
<p>The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.</p>
<p>The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition&#8212;overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.

Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians - and an Arkansan - in a Band, of whose name I don&#039;t recall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.</p>
<p>Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians &#8211; and an Arkansan &#8211; in a Band, of whose name I don&#8217;t recall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &quot;Country and Western&quot; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &#8220;Country and Western&#8221; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &quot;pro environment&quot; as it was viewed back then.  

However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#039;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &#8220;pro environment&#8221; as it was viewed back then.  </p>
<p>However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#8217;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</p>
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		<title>By: jim hitchcock</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#039;d be my man. And he&#039;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#039;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#8217;d be my man. And he&#8217;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#8217;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down - two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#039;t be bothered to show up - and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.

Oh well, there&#039;s always South Carolina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down &#8211; two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#8217;t be bothered to show up &#8211; and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.</p>
<p>Oh well, there&#8217;s always South Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families

A)  Bullshit
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families</p>
<p>A)  Bullshit<br />
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you can me&quot; -&gt; &quot;you can add me&quot;.

Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#039;t tell my clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you can me&#8221; -&gt; &#8220;you can add me&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#8217;t tell my clients.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#039;d never vote for, but who I&#039;d love to campaign for -- because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember -- or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.

Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#039;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#039;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.

Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#039; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &quot;y&#039;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&quot;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on ... &quot;y&#039;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#039;s-er-name, starts with an &#039;M&#039;?&quot; &quot;Um ... I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&quot;  &quot;Y&#039;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&quot;  (Somehow, I can&#039;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#039;ll let Woody make something up for me.)

By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#039;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &quot;Compassionate&quot;?  If &quot;conservative&quot; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#039;t so easily practice what&#039;s been preached to them?

Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#039;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#8217;d never vote for, but who I&#8217;d love to campaign for &#8212; because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember &#8212; or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.</p>
<p>Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#8217;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#8217;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.</p>
<p>Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#8217; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &#8220;y&#8217;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&#8221;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on &#8230; &#8220;y&#8217;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#8217;s-er-name, starts with an &#8216;M&#8217;?&#8221; &#8220;Um &#8230; I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&#8221;  &#8220;Y&#8217;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&#8221;  (Somehow, I can&#8217;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#8217;ll let Woody make something up for me.)</p>
<p>By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#8217;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &#8220;Compassionate&#8221;?  If &#8220;conservative&#8221; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#8217;t so easily practice what&#8217;s been preached to them?</p>
<p>Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#8217;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#039;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#8217;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:

&quot;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&quot;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:</p>
<p>&#8220;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</a></p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families

A)  Bullshit
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families</p>
<p>A)  Bullshit<br />
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.

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MY  NEW  TRUCK 

I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#039;t get the radio to work.

The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  

&quot;Nelson,&quot; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&quot;Ricky or Willie?&quot; &quot;Willie!&quot; he continued and &quot;On The Road Again&quot; came from the speakers. 

Then he said, &quot;Ray Charles!&quot;, and in an instant &quot;Georgia On My  Mind&quot; replaced Willie Nelson.

I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#039;d say,  Beethoven,&quot; I&#039;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &quot;Beatles,&quot; I&#039;d get one of their awesome songs. 
 
Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &quot;Idiots!&quot; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.
 
I LOVE this truck!!!

---

I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#039; email lists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>MY  NEW  TRUCK </p>
<p>I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#8217;t get the radio to work.</p>
<p>The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Nelson,&#8221; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&#8221;Ricky or Willie?&#8221; &#8220;Willie!&#8221; he continued and &#8220;On The Road Again&#8221; came from the speakers. </p>
<p>Then he said, &#8220;Ray Charles!&#8221;, and in an instant &#8220;Georgia On My  Mind&#8221; replaced Willie Nelson.</p>
<p>I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#8217;d say,  Beethoven,&#8221; I&#8217;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &#8220;Beatles,&#8221; I&#8217;d get one of their awesome songs. </p>
<p>Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &#8220;Idiots!&#8221; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.</p>
<p>I LOVE this truck!!!</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#8217; email lists.</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&quot;

No Samuel. It&#039;s not partisan ideology, it&#039;s simple logic and basic observation.

Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored--that didn&#039;t share enthusiastic Democratic support--that was written to help urban poor families. 

You can&#039;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.

Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &quot;family values&quot; marketing slogan.

The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.

To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#039;s support for their effort.

Family values are important and it&#039;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#039;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>No Samuel. It&#8217;s not partisan ideology, it&#8217;s simple logic and basic observation.</p>
<p>Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored&#8211;that didn&#8217;t share enthusiastic Democratic support&#8211;that was written to help urban poor families. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.</p>
<p>Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &#8220;family values&#8221; marketing slogan.</p>
<p>The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.</p>
<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#8217;s support for their effort.</p>
<p>Family values are important and it&#8217;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#8217;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Stott</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576940</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel Stott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric the Political Hack Says: 

&quot;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&quot;

It&#039;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.

Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &quot;family values&quot; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.

Tacking on &quot;ophobic&quot; to your chosen noun doesn&#039;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. 

&quot;Islamophobia!&quot; &quot;Homophobia!&quot; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. 

How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#039;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.

I will believe that &quot;multi-culturalism&quot; isn&#039;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.

The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.

The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition---overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. 

 
 

    

 


I don&#039;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</description>
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<p>&#8220;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.</p>
<p>Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &#8220;family values&#8221; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.</p>
<p>Tacking on &#8220;ophobic&#8221; to your chosen noun doesn&#8217;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. </p>
<p>&#8220;Islamophobia!&#8221; &#8220;Homophobia!&#8221; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. </p>
<p>How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#8217;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.</p>
<p>I will believe that &#8220;multi-culturalism&#8221; isn&#8217;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.</p>
<p>The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.</p>
<p>The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition&#8212;overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.

Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians - and an Arkansan - in a Band, of whose name I don&#039;t recall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.</p>
<p>Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians &#8211; and an Arkansan &#8211; in a Band, of whose name I don&#8217;t recall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &quot;Country and Western&quot; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &#8220;Country and Western&#8221; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576936</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &quot;pro environment&quot; as it was viewed back then.  

However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#039;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &#8220;pro environment&#8221; as it was viewed back then.  </p>
<p>However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#8217;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</p>
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		<title>By: jim hitchcock</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#039;d be my man. And he&#039;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#039;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#8217;d be my man. And he&#8217;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#8217;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down - two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#039;t be bothered to show up - and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.

Oh well, there&#039;s always South Carolina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down &#8211; two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#8217;t be bothered to show up &#8211; and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.</p>
<p>Oh well, there&#8217;s always South Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you can me&quot; -&gt; &quot;you can add me&quot;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you can me&#8221; -&gt; &#8220;you can add me&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#039;d never vote for, but who I&#039;d love to campaign for -- because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember -- or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.

Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#039;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#039;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.

Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#039; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &quot;y&#039;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&quot;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on ... &quot;y&#039;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#039;s-er-name, starts with an &#039;M&#039;?&quot; &quot;Um ... I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&quot;  &quot;Y&#039;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&quot;  (Somehow, I can&#039;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#039;ll let Woody make something up for me.)

By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#039;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &quot;Compassionate&quot;?  If &quot;conservative&quot; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#039;t so easily practice what&#039;s been preached to them?

Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#039;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#8217;d never vote for, but who I&#8217;d love to campaign for &#8212; because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember &#8212; or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.</p>
<p>Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#8217;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#8217;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.</p>
<p>Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#8217; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &#8220;y&#8217;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&#8221;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on &#8230; &#8220;y&#8217;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#8217;s-er-name, starts with an &#8216;M&#8217;?&#8221; &#8220;Um &#8230; I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&#8221;  &#8220;Y&#8217;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&#8221;  (Somehow, I can&#8217;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#8217;ll let Woody make something up for me.)</p>
<p>By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#8217;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &#8220;Compassionate&#8221;?  If &#8220;conservative&#8221; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#8217;t so easily practice what&#8217;s been preached to them?</p>
<p>Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#8217;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#039;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#8217;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576984</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:

&quot;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&quot;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:</p>
<p>&#8220;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</a></p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576959</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families

A)  Bullshit
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families</p>
<p>A)  Bullshit<br />
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576957</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576952</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.

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MY  NEW  TRUCK 

I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#039;t get the radio to work.

The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  

&quot;Nelson,&quot; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&quot;Ricky or Willie?&quot; &quot;Willie!&quot; he continued and &quot;On The Road Again&quot; came from the speakers. 

Then he said, &quot;Ray Charles!&quot;, and in an instant &quot;Georgia On My  Mind&quot; replaced Willie Nelson.

I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#039;d say,  Beethoven,&quot; I&#039;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &quot;Beatles,&quot; I&#039;d get one of their awesome songs. 
 
Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &quot;Idiots!&quot; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.
 
I LOVE this truck!!!

---

I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#039; email lists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>MY  NEW  TRUCK </p>
<p>I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#8217;t get the radio to work.</p>
<p>The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Nelson,&#8221; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&#8221;Ricky or Willie?&#8221; &#8220;Willie!&#8221; he continued and &#8220;On The Road Again&#8221; came from the speakers. </p>
<p>Then he said, &#8220;Ray Charles!&#8221;, and in an instant &#8220;Georgia On My  Mind&#8221; replaced Willie Nelson.</p>
<p>I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#8217;d say,  Beethoven,&#8221; I&#8217;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &#8220;Beatles,&#8221; I&#8217;d get one of their awesome songs. </p>
<p>Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &#8220;Idiots!&#8221; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.</p>
<p>I LOVE this truck!!!</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#8217; email lists.</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576949</link>
		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&quot;

No Samuel. It&#039;s not partisan ideology, it&#039;s simple logic and basic observation.

Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored--that didn&#039;t share enthusiastic Democratic support--that was written to help urban poor families. 

You can&#039;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.

Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &quot;family values&quot; marketing slogan.

The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.

To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#039;s support for their effort.

Family values are important and it&#039;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#039;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>No Samuel. It&#8217;s not partisan ideology, it&#8217;s simple logic and basic observation.</p>
<p>Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored&#8211;that didn&#8217;t share enthusiastic Democratic support&#8211;that was written to help urban poor families. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.</p>
<p>Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &#8220;family values&#8221; marketing slogan.</p>
<p>The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.</p>
<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#8217;s support for their effort.</p>
<p>Family values are important and it&#8217;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#8217;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Stott</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576940</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel Stott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric the Political Hack Says: 

&quot;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&quot;

It&#039;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.

Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &quot;family values&quot; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.

Tacking on &quot;ophobic&quot; to your chosen noun doesn&#039;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. 

&quot;Islamophobia!&quot; &quot;Homophobia!&quot; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. 

How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#039;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.

I will believe that &quot;multi-culturalism&quot; isn&#039;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.

The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.

The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition---overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. 

 
 

    

 


I don&#039;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric the Political Hack Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.</p>
<p>Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &#8220;family values&#8221; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.</p>
<p>Tacking on &#8220;ophobic&#8221; to your chosen noun doesn&#8217;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. </p>
<p>&#8220;Islamophobia!&#8221; &#8220;Homophobia!&#8221; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. </p>
<p>How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#8217;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.</p>
<p>I will believe that &#8220;multi-culturalism&#8221; isn&#8217;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.</p>
<p>The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.</p>
<p>The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition&#8212;overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576939</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.

Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians - and an Arkansan - in a Band, of whose name I don&#039;t recall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.</p>
<p>Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians &#8211; and an Arkansan &#8211; in a Band, of whose name I don&#8217;t recall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576938</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &quot;Country and Western&quot; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &#8220;Country and Western&#8221; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576936</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &quot;pro environment&quot; as it was viewed back then.  

However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#039;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &#8220;pro environment&#8221; as it was viewed back then.  </p>
<p>However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#8217;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</p>
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		<title>By: jim hitchcock</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576935</link>
		<dc:creator>jim hitchcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576929</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#039;d be my man. And he&#039;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#039;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#8217;d be my man. And he&#8217;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#8217;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576923</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down - two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#039;t be bothered to show up - and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.

Oh well, there&#039;s always South Carolina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down &#8211; two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#8217;t be bothered to show up &#8211; and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.</p>
<p>Oh well, there&#8217;s always South Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turmon</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576952</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.

---

MY  NEW  TRUCK 

I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#039;t get the radio to work.

The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  

&quot;Nelson,&quot; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&quot;Ricky or Willie?&quot; &quot;Willie!&quot; he continued and &quot;On The Road Again&quot; came from the speakers. 

Then he said, &quot;Ray Charles!&quot;, and in an instant &quot;Georgia On My  Mind&quot; replaced Willie Nelson.

I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#039;d say,  Beethoven,&quot; I&#039;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &quot;Beatles,&quot; I&#039;d get one of their awesome songs. 
 
Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &quot;Idiots!&quot; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.
 
I LOVE this truck!!!

---

I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#039; email lists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>MY  NEW  TRUCK </p>
<p>I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#8217;t get the radio to work.</p>
<p>The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Nelson,&#8221; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&#8221;Ricky or Willie?&#8221; &#8220;Willie!&#8221; he continued and &#8220;On The Road Again&#8221; came from the speakers. </p>
<p>Then he said, &#8220;Ray Charles!&#8221;, and in an instant &#8220;Georgia On My  Mind&#8221; replaced Willie Nelson.</p>
<p>I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#8217;d say,  Beethoven,&#8221; I&#8217;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &#8220;Beatles,&#8221; I&#8217;d get one of their awesome songs. </p>
<p>Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &#8220;Idiots!&#8221; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.</p>
<p>I LOVE this truck!!!</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#8217; email lists.</p>
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		<description>great post thanks very much</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 01:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>best credit card for teens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-577075</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you can me&quot; -&gt; &quot;you can add me&quot;.

Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#039;t tell my clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you can me&#8221; -&gt; &#8220;you can add me&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#8217;t tell my clients.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-577074</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#039;d never vote for, but who I&#039;d love to campaign for -- because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember -- or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.

Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#039;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#039;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.

Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#039; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &quot;y&#039;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&quot;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on ... &quot;y&#039;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#039;s-er-name, starts with an &#039;M&#039;?&quot; &quot;Um ... I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&quot;  &quot;Y&#039;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&quot;  (Somehow, I can&#039;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#039;ll let Woody make something up for me.)

By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#039;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &quot;Compassionate&quot;?  If &quot;conservative&quot; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#039;t so easily practice what&#039;s been preached to them?

Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#039;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#8217;d never vote for, but who I&#8217;d love to campaign for &#8212; because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember &#8212; or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.</p>
<p>Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#8217;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#8217;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.</p>
<p>Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#8217; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &#8220;y&#8217;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&#8221;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on &#8230; &#8220;y&#8217;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#8217;s-er-name, starts with an &#8216;M&#8217;?&#8221; &#8220;Um &#8230; I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&#8221;  &#8220;Y&#8217;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&#8221;  (Somehow, I can&#8217;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#8217;ll let Woody make something up for me.)</p>
<p>By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#8217;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &#8220;Compassionate&#8221;?  If &#8220;conservative&#8221; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#8217;t so easily practice what&#8217;s been preached to them?</p>
<p>Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#8217;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576990</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#039;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#8217;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576984</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:

&quot;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&quot;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:</p>
<p>&#8220;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</a></p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576959</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families

A)  Bullshit
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families</p>
<p>A)  Bullshit<br />
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576957</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576952</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.

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MY  NEW  TRUCK 

I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#039;t get the radio to work.

The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  

&quot;Nelson,&quot; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&quot;Ricky or Willie?&quot; &quot;Willie!&quot; he continued and &quot;On The Road Again&quot; came from the speakers. 

Then he said, &quot;Ray Charles!&quot;, and in an instant &quot;Georgia On My  Mind&quot; replaced Willie Nelson.

I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#039;d say,  Beethoven,&quot; I&#039;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &quot;Beatles,&quot; I&#039;d get one of their awesome songs. 
 
Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &quot;Idiots!&quot; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.
 
I LOVE this truck!!!

---

I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#039; email lists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>MY  NEW  TRUCK </p>
<p>I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#8217;t get the radio to work.</p>
<p>The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Nelson,&#8221; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&#8221;Ricky or Willie?&#8221; &#8220;Willie!&#8221; he continued and &#8220;On The Road Again&#8221; came from the speakers. </p>
<p>Then he said, &#8220;Ray Charles!&#8221;, and in an instant &#8220;Georgia On My  Mind&#8221; replaced Willie Nelson.</p>
<p>I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#8217;d say,  Beethoven,&#8221; I&#8217;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &#8220;Beatles,&#8221; I&#8217;d get one of their awesome songs. </p>
<p>Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &#8220;Idiots!&#8221; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.</p>
<p>I LOVE this truck!!!</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#8217; email lists.</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576949</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&quot;

No Samuel. It&#039;s not partisan ideology, it&#039;s simple logic and basic observation.

Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored--that didn&#039;t share enthusiastic Democratic support--that was written to help urban poor families. 

You can&#039;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.

Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &quot;family values&quot; marketing slogan.

The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.

To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#039;s support for their effort.

Family values are important and it&#039;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#039;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>No Samuel. It&#8217;s not partisan ideology, it&#8217;s simple logic and basic observation.</p>
<p>Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored&#8211;that didn&#8217;t share enthusiastic Democratic support&#8211;that was written to help urban poor families. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.</p>
<p>Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &#8220;family values&#8221; marketing slogan.</p>
<p>The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.</p>
<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#8217;s support for their effort.</p>
<p>Family values are important and it&#8217;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#8217;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Stott</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576940</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel Stott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric the Political Hack Says: 

&quot;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&quot;

It&#039;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.

Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &quot;family values&quot; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.

Tacking on &quot;ophobic&quot; to your chosen noun doesn&#039;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. 

&quot;Islamophobia!&quot; &quot;Homophobia!&quot; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. 

How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#039;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.

I will believe that &quot;multi-culturalism&quot; isn&#039;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.

The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.

The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition---overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. 

 
 

    

 


I don&#039;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric the Political Hack Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.</p>
<p>Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &#8220;family values&#8221; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.</p>
<p>Tacking on &#8220;ophobic&#8221; to your chosen noun doesn&#8217;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. </p>
<p>&#8220;Islamophobia!&#8221; &#8220;Homophobia!&#8221; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. </p>
<p>How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#8217;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.</p>
<p>I will believe that &#8220;multi-culturalism&#8221; isn&#8217;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.</p>
<p>The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.</p>
<p>The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition&#8212;overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576939</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.

Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians - and an Arkansan - in a Band, of whose name I don&#039;t recall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.</p>
<p>Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians &#8211; and an Arkansan &#8211; in a Band, of whose name I don&#8217;t recall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576938</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &quot;Country and Western&quot; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &#8220;Country and Western&#8221; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576936</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &quot;pro environment&quot; as it was viewed back then.  

However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#039;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &#8220;pro environment&#8221; as it was viewed back then.  </p>
<p>However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#8217;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</p>
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		<title>By: jim hitchcock</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576935</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#039;d be my man. And he&#039;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#039;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#8217;d be my man. And he&#8217;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#8217;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down - two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#039;t be bothered to show up - and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.

Oh well, there&#039;s always South Carolina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down &#8211; two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#8217;t be bothered to show up &#8211; and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.</p>
<p>Oh well, there&#8217;s always South Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turmon</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&quot;

No Samuel. It&#039;s not partisan ideology, it&#039;s simple logic and basic observation.

Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored--that didn&#039;t share enthusiastic Democratic support--that was written to help urban poor families. 

You can&#039;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.

Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &quot;family values&quot; marketing slogan.

The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.

To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#039;s support for their effort.

Family values are important and it&#039;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#039;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>No Samuel. It&#8217;s not partisan ideology, it&#8217;s simple logic and basic observation.</p>
<p>Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored&#8211;that didn&#8217;t share enthusiastic Democratic support&#8211;that was written to help urban poor families. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.</p>
<p>Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &#8220;family values&#8221; marketing slogan.</p>
<p>The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.</p>
<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#8217;s support for their effort.</p>
<p>Family values are important and it&#8217;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#8217;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you can me&quot; -&gt; &quot;you can add me&quot;.

Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#039;t tell my clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you can me&#8221; -&gt; &#8220;you can add me&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#8217;t tell my clients.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#039;d never vote for, but who I&#039;d love to campaign for -- because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember -- or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.

Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#039;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#039;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.

Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#039; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &quot;y&#039;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&quot;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on ... &quot;y&#039;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#039;s-er-name, starts with an &#039;M&#039;?&quot; &quot;Um ... I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&quot;  &quot;Y&#039;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&quot;  (Somehow, I can&#039;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#039;ll let Woody make something up for me.)

By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#039;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &quot;Compassionate&quot;?  If &quot;conservative&quot; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#039;t so easily practice what&#039;s been preached to them?

Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#039;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#8217;d never vote for, but who I&#8217;d love to campaign for &#8212; because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember &#8212; or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.</p>
<p>Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#8217;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#8217;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.</p>
<p>Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#8217; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &#8220;y&#8217;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&#8221;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on &#8230; &#8220;y&#8217;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#8217;s-er-name, starts with an &#8216;M&#8217;?&#8221; &#8220;Um &#8230; I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&#8221;  &#8220;Y&#8217;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&#8221;  (Somehow, I can&#8217;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#8217;ll let Woody make something up for me.)</p>
<p>By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#8217;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &#8220;Compassionate&#8221;?  If &#8220;conservative&#8221; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#8217;t so easily practice what&#8217;s been preached to them?</p>
<p>Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#8217;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#039;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#8217;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:

&quot;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&quot;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:</p>
<p>&#8220;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</a></p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families

A)  Bullshit
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families</p>
<p>A)  Bullshit<br />
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.

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MY  NEW  TRUCK 

I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#039;t get the radio to work.

The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  

&quot;Nelson,&quot; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&quot;Ricky or Willie?&quot; &quot;Willie!&quot; he continued and &quot;On The Road Again&quot; came from the speakers. 

Then he said, &quot;Ray Charles!&quot;, and in an instant &quot;Georgia On My  Mind&quot; replaced Willie Nelson.

I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#039;d say,  Beethoven,&quot; I&#039;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &quot;Beatles,&quot; I&#039;d get one of their awesome songs. 
 
Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &quot;Idiots!&quot; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.
 
I LOVE this truck!!!

---

I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#039; email lists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>MY  NEW  TRUCK </p>
<p>I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#8217;t get the radio to work.</p>
<p>The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Nelson,&#8221; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&#8221;Ricky or Willie?&#8221; &#8220;Willie!&#8221; he continued and &#8220;On The Road Again&#8221; came from the speakers. </p>
<p>Then he said, &#8220;Ray Charles!&#8221;, and in an instant &#8220;Georgia On My  Mind&#8221; replaced Willie Nelson.</p>
<p>I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#8217;d say,  Beethoven,&#8221; I&#8217;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &#8220;Beatles,&#8221; I&#8217;d get one of their awesome songs. </p>
<p>Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &#8220;Idiots!&#8221; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.</p>
<p>I LOVE this truck!!!</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#8217; email lists.</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&quot;

No Samuel. It&#039;s not partisan ideology, it&#039;s simple logic and basic observation.

Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored--that didn&#039;t share enthusiastic Democratic support--that was written to help urban poor families. 

You can&#039;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.

Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &quot;family values&quot; marketing slogan.

The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.

To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#039;s support for their effort.

Family values are important and it&#039;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#039;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>No Samuel. It&#8217;s not partisan ideology, it&#8217;s simple logic and basic observation.</p>
<p>Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored&#8211;that didn&#8217;t share enthusiastic Democratic support&#8211;that was written to help urban poor families. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.</p>
<p>Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &#8220;family values&#8221; marketing slogan.</p>
<p>The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.</p>
<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#8217;s support for their effort.</p>
<p>Family values are important and it&#8217;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#8217;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Stott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel Stott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric the Political Hack Says: 

&quot;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&quot;

It&#039;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.

Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &quot;family values&quot; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.

Tacking on &quot;ophobic&quot; to your chosen noun doesn&#039;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. 

&quot;Islamophobia!&quot; &quot;Homophobia!&quot; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. 

How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#039;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.

I will believe that &quot;multi-culturalism&quot; isn&#039;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.

The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.

The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition---overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. 

 
 

    

 


I don&#039;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric the Political Hack Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.</p>
<p>Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &#8220;family values&#8221; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.</p>
<p>Tacking on &#8220;ophobic&#8221; to your chosen noun doesn&#8217;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. </p>
<p>&#8220;Islamophobia!&#8221; &#8220;Homophobia!&#8221; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. </p>
<p>How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#8217;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.</p>
<p>I will believe that &#8220;multi-culturalism&#8221; isn&#8217;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.</p>
<p>The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.</p>
<p>The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition&#8212;overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.

Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians - and an Arkansan - in a Band, of whose name I don&#039;t recall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.</p>
<p>Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians &#8211; and an Arkansan &#8211; in a Band, of whose name I don&#8217;t recall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &quot;Country and Western&quot; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &#8220;Country and Western&#8221; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &quot;pro environment&quot; as it was viewed back then.  

However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#039;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &#8220;pro environment&#8221; as it was viewed back then.  </p>
<p>However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#8217;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</p>
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		<title>By: jim hitchcock</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#039;d be my man. And he&#039;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#039;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#8217;d be my man. And he&#8217;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#8217;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down - two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#039;t be bothered to show up - and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.

Oh well, there&#039;s always South Carolina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down &#8211; two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#8217;t be bothered to show up &#8211; and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.</p>
<p>Oh well, there&#8217;s always South Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel Stott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric the Political Hack Says: 

&quot;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&quot;

It&#039;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.

Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &quot;family values&quot; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.

Tacking on &quot;ophobic&quot; to your chosen noun doesn&#039;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. 

&quot;Islamophobia!&quot; &quot;Homophobia!&quot; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. 

How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#039;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.

I will believe that &quot;multi-culturalism&quot; isn&#039;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.

The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.

The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition---overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. 

 
 

    

 


I don&#039;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</description>
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<p>&#8220;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.</p>
<p>Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &#8220;family values&#8221; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.</p>
<p>Tacking on &#8220;ophobic&#8221; to your chosen noun doesn&#8217;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. </p>
<p>&#8220;Islamophobia!&#8221; &#8220;Homophobia!&#8221; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. </p>
<p>How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#8217;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.</p>
<p>I will believe that &#8220;multi-culturalism&#8221; isn&#8217;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.</p>
<p>The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.</p>
<p>The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition&#8212;overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</p>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you can me&#8221; -&gt; &#8220;you can add me&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<description>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#039;d never vote for, but who I&#039;d love to campaign for -- because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember -- or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.

Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#039;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#039;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.

Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#039; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &quot;y&#039;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&quot;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on ... &quot;y&#039;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#039;s-er-name, starts with an &#039;M&#039;?&quot; &quot;Um ... I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&quot;  &quot;Y&#039;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&quot;  (Somehow, I can&#039;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#039;ll let Woody make something up for me.)

By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#039;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &quot;Compassionate&quot;?  If &quot;conservative&quot; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#039;t so easily practice what&#039;s been preached to them?

Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#039;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#8217;d never vote for, but who I&#8217;d love to campaign for &#8212; because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember &#8212; or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.</p>
<p>Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#8217;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#8217;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.</p>
<p>Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#8217; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &#8220;y&#8217;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&#8221;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on &#8230; &#8220;y&#8217;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#8217;s-er-name, starts with an &#8216;M&#8217;?&#8221; &#8220;Um &#8230; I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&#8221;  &#8220;Y&#8217;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&#8221;  (Somehow, I can&#8217;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#8217;ll let Woody make something up for me.)</p>
<p>By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#8217;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &#8220;Compassionate&#8221;?  If &#8220;conservative&#8221; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#8217;t so easily practice what&#8217;s been preached to them?</p>
<p>Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#8217;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576990</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#039;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#8217;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576984</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:

&quot;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&quot;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:</p>
<p>&#8220;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</a></p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576959</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families

A)  Bullshit
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families</p>
<p>A)  Bullshit<br />
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576957</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576952</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.

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MY  NEW  TRUCK 

I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#039;t get the radio to work.

The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  

&quot;Nelson,&quot; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&quot;Ricky or Willie?&quot; &quot;Willie!&quot; he continued and &quot;On The Road Again&quot; came from the speakers. 

Then he said, &quot;Ray Charles!&quot;, and in an instant &quot;Georgia On My  Mind&quot; replaced Willie Nelson.

I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#039;d say,  Beethoven,&quot; I&#039;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &quot;Beatles,&quot; I&#039;d get one of their awesome songs. 
 
Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &quot;Idiots!&quot; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.
 
I LOVE this truck!!!

---

I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#039; email lists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>MY  NEW  TRUCK </p>
<p>I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#8217;t get the radio to work.</p>
<p>The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Nelson,&#8221; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&#8221;Ricky or Willie?&#8221; &#8220;Willie!&#8221; he continued and &#8220;On The Road Again&#8221; came from the speakers. </p>
<p>Then he said, &#8220;Ray Charles!&#8221;, and in an instant &#8220;Georgia On My  Mind&#8221; replaced Willie Nelson.</p>
<p>I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#8217;d say,  Beethoven,&#8221; I&#8217;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &#8220;Beatles,&#8221; I&#8217;d get one of their awesome songs. </p>
<p>Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &#8220;Idiots!&#8221; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.</p>
<p>I LOVE this truck!!!</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#8217; email lists.</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&quot;

No Samuel. It&#039;s not partisan ideology, it&#039;s simple logic and basic observation.

Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored--that didn&#039;t share enthusiastic Democratic support--that was written to help urban poor families. 

You can&#039;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.

Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &quot;family values&quot; marketing slogan.

The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.

To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#039;s support for their effort.

Family values are important and it&#039;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#039;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>No Samuel. It&#8217;s not partisan ideology, it&#8217;s simple logic and basic observation.</p>
<p>Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored&#8211;that didn&#8217;t share enthusiastic Democratic support&#8211;that was written to help urban poor families. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.</p>
<p>Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &#8220;family values&#8221; marketing slogan.</p>
<p>The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.</p>
<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#8217;s support for their effort.</p>
<p>Family values are important and it&#8217;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#8217;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Stott</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576940</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel Stott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric the Political Hack Says: 

&quot;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&quot;

It&#039;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.

Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &quot;family values&quot; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.

Tacking on &quot;ophobic&quot; to your chosen noun doesn&#039;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. 

&quot;Islamophobia!&quot; &quot;Homophobia!&quot; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. 

How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#039;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.

I will believe that &quot;multi-culturalism&quot; isn&#039;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.

The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.

The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition---overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. 

 
 

    

 


I don&#039;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric the Political Hack Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.</p>
<p>Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &#8220;family values&#8221; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.</p>
<p>Tacking on &#8220;ophobic&#8221; to your chosen noun doesn&#8217;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. </p>
<p>&#8220;Islamophobia!&#8221; &#8220;Homophobia!&#8221; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. </p>
<p>How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#8217;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.</p>
<p>I will believe that &#8220;multi-culturalism&#8221; isn&#8217;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.</p>
<p>The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.</p>
<p>The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition&#8212;overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.

Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians - and an Arkansan - in a Band, of whose name I don&#039;t recall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.</p>
<p>Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians &#8211; and an Arkansan &#8211; in a Band, of whose name I don&#8217;t recall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &quot;Country and Western&quot; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &#8220;Country and Western&#8221; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576936</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &quot;pro environment&quot; as it was viewed back then.  

However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#039;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &#8220;pro environment&#8221; as it was viewed back then.  </p>
<p>However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#8217;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</p>
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		<title>By: jim hitchcock</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim hitchcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#039;d be my man. And he&#039;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#039;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#8217;d be my man. And he&#8217;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#8217;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down - two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#039;t be bothered to show up - and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.

Oh well, there&#039;s always South Carolina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down &#8211; two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#8217;t be bothered to show up &#8211; and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.</p>
<p>Oh well, there&#8217;s always South Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.

Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians - and an Arkansan - in a Band, of whose name I don&#039;t recall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.</p>
<p>Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians &#8211; and an Arkansan &#8211; in a Band, of whose name I don&#8217;t recall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: best credit card for teens</title>
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		<dc:creator>best credit card for teens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>Any info on credit cards other than this topic?&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-577075</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you can me&quot; -&gt; &quot;you can add me&quot;.

Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#039;t tell my clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you can me&#8221; -&gt; &#8220;you can add me&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#8217;t tell my clients.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-577074</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#039;d never vote for, but who I&#039;d love to campaign for -- because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember -- or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.

Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#039;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#039;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.

Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#039; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &quot;y&#039;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&quot;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on ... &quot;y&#039;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#039;s-er-name, starts with an &#039;M&#039;?&quot; &quot;Um ... I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&quot;  &quot;Y&#039;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&quot;  (Somehow, I can&#039;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#039;ll let Woody make something up for me.)

By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#039;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &quot;Compassionate&quot;?  If &quot;conservative&quot; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#039;t so easily practice what&#039;s been preached to them?

Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#039;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#8217;d never vote for, but who I&#8217;d love to campaign for &#8212; because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember &#8212; or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.</p>
<p>Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#8217;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#8217;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.</p>
<p>Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#8217; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &#8220;y&#8217;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&#8221;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on &#8230; &#8220;y&#8217;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#8217;s-er-name, starts with an &#8216;M&#8217;?&#8221; &#8220;Um &#8230; I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&#8221;  &#8220;Y&#8217;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&#8221;  (Somehow, I can&#8217;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#8217;ll let Woody make something up for me.)</p>
<p>By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#8217;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &#8220;Compassionate&#8221;?  If &#8220;conservative&#8221; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#8217;t so easily practice what&#8217;s been preached to them?</p>
<p>Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#8217;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576990</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#039;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#8217;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576984</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:

&quot;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&quot;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:</p>
<p>&#8220;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</a></p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576959</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families

A)  Bullshit
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families</p>
<p>A)  Bullshit<br />
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576957</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576952</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.

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MY  NEW  TRUCK 

I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#039;t get the radio to work.

The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  

&quot;Nelson,&quot; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&quot;Ricky or Willie?&quot; &quot;Willie!&quot; he continued and &quot;On The Road Again&quot; came from the speakers. 

Then he said, &quot;Ray Charles!&quot;, and in an instant &quot;Georgia On My  Mind&quot; replaced Willie Nelson.

I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#039;d say,  Beethoven,&quot; I&#039;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &quot;Beatles,&quot; I&#039;d get one of their awesome songs. 
 
Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &quot;Idiots!&quot; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.
 
I LOVE this truck!!!

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I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#039; email lists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>MY  NEW  TRUCK </p>
<p>I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#8217;t get the radio to work.</p>
<p>The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Nelson,&#8221; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&#8221;Ricky or Willie?&#8221; &#8220;Willie!&#8221; he continued and &#8220;On The Road Again&#8221; came from the speakers. </p>
<p>Then he said, &#8220;Ray Charles!&#8221;, and in an instant &#8220;Georgia On My  Mind&#8221; replaced Willie Nelson.</p>
<p>I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#8217;d say,  Beethoven,&#8221; I&#8217;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &#8220;Beatles,&#8221; I&#8217;d get one of their awesome songs. </p>
<p>Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &#8220;Idiots!&#8221; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.</p>
<p>I LOVE this truck!!!</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#8217; email lists.</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576949</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&quot;

No Samuel. It&#039;s not partisan ideology, it&#039;s simple logic and basic observation.

Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored--that didn&#039;t share enthusiastic Democratic support--that was written to help urban poor families. 

You can&#039;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.

Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &quot;family values&quot; marketing slogan.

The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.

To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#039;s support for their effort.

Family values are important and it&#039;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#039;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>No Samuel. It&#8217;s not partisan ideology, it&#8217;s simple logic and basic observation.</p>
<p>Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored&#8211;that didn&#8217;t share enthusiastic Democratic support&#8211;that was written to help urban poor families. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.</p>
<p>Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &#8220;family values&#8221; marketing slogan.</p>
<p>The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.</p>
<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#8217;s support for their effort.</p>
<p>Family values are important and it&#8217;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#8217;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Stott</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576940</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel Stott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric the Political Hack Says: 

&quot;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&quot;

It&#039;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.

Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &quot;family values&quot; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.

Tacking on &quot;ophobic&quot; to your chosen noun doesn&#039;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. 

&quot;Islamophobia!&quot; &quot;Homophobia!&quot; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. 

How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#039;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.

I will believe that &quot;multi-culturalism&quot; isn&#039;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.

The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.

The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition---overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. 

 
 

    

 


I don&#039;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric the Political Hack Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.</p>
<p>Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &#8220;family values&#8221; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.</p>
<p>Tacking on &#8220;ophobic&#8221; to your chosen noun doesn&#8217;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. </p>
<p>&#8220;Islamophobia!&#8221; &#8220;Homophobia!&#8221; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. </p>
<p>How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#8217;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.</p>
<p>I will believe that &#8220;multi-culturalism&#8221; isn&#8217;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.</p>
<p>The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.</p>
<p>The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition&#8212;overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576939</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.

Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians - and an Arkansan - in a Band, of whose name I don&#039;t recall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.</p>
<p>Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians &#8211; and an Arkansan &#8211; in a Band, of whose name I don&#8217;t recall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576938</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &quot;Country and Western&quot; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &#8220;Country and Western&#8221; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576936</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &quot;pro environment&quot; as it was viewed back then.  

However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#039;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &#8220;pro environment&#8221; as it was viewed back then.  </p>
<p>However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#8217;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</p>
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		<title>By: jim hitchcock</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim hitchcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#039;d be my man. And he&#039;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#039;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#8217;d be my man. And he&#8217;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#8217;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down - two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#039;t be bothered to show up - and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.

Oh well, there&#039;s always South Carolina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down &#8211; two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#8217;t be bothered to show up &#8211; and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.</p>
<p>Oh well, there&#8217;s always South Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &quot;Country and Western&quot; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &#8220;Country and Western&#8221; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you can me&quot; -&gt; &quot;you can add me&quot;.

Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#039;t tell my clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you can me&#8221; -&gt; &#8220;you can add me&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#8217;t tell my clients.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#039;d never vote for, but who I&#039;d love to campaign for -- because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember -- or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.

Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#039;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#039;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.

Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#039; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &quot;y&#039;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&quot;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on ... &quot;y&#039;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#039;s-er-name, starts with an &#039;M&#039;?&quot; &quot;Um ... I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&quot;  &quot;Y&#039;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&quot;  (Somehow, I can&#039;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#039;ll let Woody make something up for me.)

By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#039;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &quot;Compassionate&quot;?  If &quot;conservative&quot; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#039;t so easily practice what&#039;s been preached to them?

Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#039;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#8217;d never vote for, but who I&#8217;d love to campaign for &#8212; because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember &#8212; or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.</p>
<p>Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#8217;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#8217;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.</p>
<p>Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#8217; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &#8220;y&#8217;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&#8221;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on &#8230; &#8220;y&#8217;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#8217;s-er-name, starts with an &#8216;M&#8217;?&#8221; &#8220;Um &#8230; I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&#8221;  &#8220;Y&#8217;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&#8221;  (Somehow, I can&#8217;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#8217;ll let Woody make something up for me.)</p>
<p>By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#8217;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &#8220;Compassionate&#8221;?  If &#8220;conservative&#8221; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#8217;t so easily practice what&#8217;s been preached to them?</p>
<p>Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#8217;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#039;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#8217;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:

&quot;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&quot;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:</p>
<p>&#8220;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</a></p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families

A)  Bullshit
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families</p>
<p>A)  Bullshit<br />
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.

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MY  NEW  TRUCK 

I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#039;t get the radio to work.

The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  

&quot;Nelson,&quot; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&quot;Ricky or Willie?&quot; &quot;Willie!&quot; he continued and &quot;On The Road Again&quot; came from the speakers. 

Then he said, &quot;Ray Charles!&quot;, and in an instant &quot;Georgia On My  Mind&quot; replaced Willie Nelson.

I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#039;d say,  Beethoven,&quot; I&#039;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &quot;Beatles,&quot; I&#039;d get one of their awesome songs. 
 
Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &quot;Idiots!&quot; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.
 
I LOVE this truck!!!

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I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#039; email lists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>MY  NEW  TRUCK </p>
<p>I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#8217;t get the radio to work.</p>
<p>The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Nelson,&#8221; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&#8221;Ricky or Willie?&#8221; &#8220;Willie!&#8221; he continued and &#8220;On The Road Again&#8221; came from the speakers. </p>
<p>Then he said, &#8220;Ray Charles!&#8221;, and in an instant &#8220;Georgia On My  Mind&#8221; replaced Willie Nelson.</p>
<p>I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#8217;d say,  Beethoven,&#8221; I&#8217;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &#8220;Beatles,&#8221; I&#8217;d get one of their awesome songs. </p>
<p>Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &#8220;Idiots!&#8221; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.</p>
<p>I LOVE this truck!!!</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#8217; email lists.</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&quot;

No Samuel. It&#039;s not partisan ideology, it&#039;s simple logic and basic observation.

Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored--that didn&#039;t share enthusiastic Democratic support--that was written to help urban poor families. 

You can&#039;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.

Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &quot;family values&quot; marketing slogan.

The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.

To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#039;s support for their effort.

Family values are important and it&#039;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#039;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>No Samuel. It&#8217;s not partisan ideology, it&#8217;s simple logic and basic observation.</p>
<p>Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored&#8211;that didn&#8217;t share enthusiastic Democratic support&#8211;that was written to help urban poor families. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.</p>
<p>Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &#8220;family values&#8221; marketing slogan.</p>
<p>The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.</p>
<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#8217;s support for their effort.</p>
<p>Family values are important and it&#8217;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#8217;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Stott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel Stott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric the Political Hack Says: 

&quot;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&quot;

It&#039;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.

Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &quot;family values&quot; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.

Tacking on &quot;ophobic&quot; to your chosen noun doesn&#039;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. 

&quot;Islamophobia!&quot; &quot;Homophobia!&quot; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. 

How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#039;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.

I will believe that &quot;multi-culturalism&quot; isn&#039;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.

The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.

The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition---overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. 

 
 

    

 


I don&#039;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric the Political Hack Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.</p>
<p>Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &#8220;family values&#8221; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.</p>
<p>Tacking on &#8220;ophobic&#8221; to your chosen noun doesn&#8217;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. </p>
<p>&#8220;Islamophobia!&#8221; &#8220;Homophobia!&#8221; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. </p>
<p>How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#8217;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.</p>
<p>I will believe that &#8220;multi-culturalism&#8221; isn&#8217;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.</p>
<p>The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.</p>
<p>The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition&#8212;overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.

Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians - and an Arkansan - in a Band, of whose name I don&#039;t recall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.</p>
<p>Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians &#8211; and an Arkansan &#8211; in a Band, of whose name I don&#8217;t recall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &quot;Country and Western&quot; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &#8220;Country and Western&#8221; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576936</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &quot;pro environment&quot; as it was viewed back then.  

However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#039;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &#8220;pro environment&#8221; as it was viewed back then.  </p>
<p>However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#8217;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</p>
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		<title>By: jim hitchcock</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#039;d be my man. And he&#039;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#039;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#8217;d be my man. And he&#8217;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#8217;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down - two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#039;t be bothered to show up - and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.

Oh well, there&#039;s always South Carolina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down &#8211; two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#8217;t be bothered to show up &#8211; and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.</p>
<p>Oh well, there&#8217;s always South Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &quot;pro environment&quot; as it was viewed back then.  

However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#039;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &#8220;pro environment&#8221; as it was viewed back then.  </p>
<p>However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#8217;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you can me&quot; -&gt; &quot;you can add me&quot;.

Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#039;t tell my clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you can me&#8221; -&gt; &#8220;you can add me&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#8217;t tell my clients.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#039;d never vote for, but who I&#039;d love to campaign for -- because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember -- or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.

Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#039;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#039;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.

Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#039; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &quot;y&#039;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&quot;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on ... &quot;y&#039;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#039;s-er-name, starts with an &#039;M&#039;?&quot; &quot;Um ... I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&quot;  &quot;Y&#039;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&quot;  (Somehow, I can&#039;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#039;ll let Woody make something up for me.)

By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#039;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &quot;Compassionate&quot;?  If &quot;conservative&quot; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#039;t so easily practice what&#039;s been preached to them?

Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#039;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#8217;d never vote for, but who I&#8217;d love to campaign for &#8212; because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember &#8212; or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.</p>
<p>Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#8217;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#8217;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.</p>
<p>Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#8217; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &#8220;y&#8217;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&#8221;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on &#8230; &#8220;y&#8217;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#8217;s-er-name, starts with an &#8216;M&#8217;?&#8221; &#8220;Um &#8230; I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&#8221;  &#8220;Y&#8217;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&#8221;  (Somehow, I can&#8217;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#8217;ll let Woody make something up for me.)</p>
<p>By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#8217;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &#8220;Compassionate&#8221;?  If &#8220;conservative&#8221; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#8217;t so easily practice what&#8217;s been preached to them?</p>
<p>Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#8217;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#039;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#8217;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:

&quot;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&quot;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:</p>
<p>&#8220;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</a></p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families

A)  Bullshit
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families</p>
<p>A)  Bullshit<br />
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.

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MY  NEW  TRUCK 

I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#039;t get the radio to work.

The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  

&quot;Nelson,&quot; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&quot;Ricky or Willie?&quot; &quot;Willie!&quot; he continued and &quot;On The Road Again&quot; came from the speakers. 

Then he said, &quot;Ray Charles!&quot;, and in an instant &quot;Georgia On My  Mind&quot; replaced Willie Nelson.

I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#039;d say,  Beethoven,&quot; I&#039;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &quot;Beatles,&quot; I&#039;d get one of their awesome songs. 
 
Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &quot;Idiots!&quot; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.
 
I LOVE this truck!!!

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I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#039; email lists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>MY  NEW  TRUCK </p>
<p>I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#8217;t get the radio to work.</p>
<p>The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Nelson,&#8221; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&#8221;Ricky or Willie?&#8221; &#8220;Willie!&#8221; he continued and &#8220;On The Road Again&#8221; came from the speakers. </p>
<p>Then he said, &#8220;Ray Charles!&#8221;, and in an instant &#8220;Georgia On My  Mind&#8221; replaced Willie Nelson.</p>
<p>I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#8217;d say,  Beethoven,&#8221; I&#8217;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &#8220;Beatles,&#8221; I&#8217;d get one of their awesome songs. </p>
<p>Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &#8220;Idiots!&#8221; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.</p>
<p>I LOVE this truck!!!</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#8217; email lists.</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&quot;

No Samuel. It&#039;s not partisan ideology, it&#039;s simple logic and basic observation.

Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored--that didn&#039;t share enthusiastic Democratic support--that was written to help urban poor families. 

You can&#039;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.

Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &quot;family values&quot; marketing slogan.

The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.

To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#039;s support for their effort.

Family values are important and it&#039;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#039;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>No Samuel. It&#8217;s not partisan ideology, it&#8217;s simple logic and basic observation.</p>
<p>Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored&#8211;that didn&#8217;t share enthusiastic Democratic support&#8211;that was written to help urban poor families. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.</p>
<p>Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &#8220;family values&#8221; marketing slogan.</p>
<p>The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.</p>
<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#8217;s support for their effort.</p>
<p>Family values are important and it&#8217;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#8217;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Stott</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576940</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel Stott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric the Political Hack Says: 

&quot;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&quot;

It&#039;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.

Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &quot;family values&quot; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.

Tacking on &quot;ophobic&quot; to your chosen noun doesn&#039;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. 

&quot;Islamophobia!&quot; &quot;Homophobia!&quot; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. 

How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#039;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.

I will believe that &quot;multi-culturalism&quot; isn&#039;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.

The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.

The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition---overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. 

 
 

    

 


I don&#039;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric the Political Hack Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.</p>
<p>Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &#8220;family values&#8221; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.</p>
<p>Tacking on &#8220;ophobic&#8221; to your chosen noun doesn&#8217;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. </p>
<p>&#8220;Islamophobia!&#8221; &#8220;Homophobia!&#8221; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. </p>
<p>How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#8217;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.</p>
<p>I will believe that &#8220;multi-culturalism&#8221; isn&#8217;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.</p>
<p>The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.</p>
<p>The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition&#8212;overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.

Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians - and an Arkansan - in a Band, of whose name I don&#039;t recall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.</p>
<p>Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians &#8211; and an Arkansan &#8211; in a Band, of whose name I don&#8217;t recall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &quot;Country and Western&quot; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &#8220;Country and Western&#8221; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576936</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &quot;pro environment&quot; as it was viewed back then.  

However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#039;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &#8220;pro environment&#8221; as it was viewed back then.  </p>
<p>However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#8217;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</p>
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		<title>By: jim hitchcock</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576935</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576929</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#039;d be my man. And he&#039;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#039;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#8217;d be my man. And he&#8217;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#8217;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down - two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#039;t be bothered to show up - and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.

Oh well, there&#039;s always South Carolina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down &#8211; two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#8217;t be bothered to show up &#8211; and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.</p>
<p>Oh well, there&#8217;s always South Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim hitchcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you can me&quot; -&gt; &quot;you can add me&quot;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you can me&#8221; -&gt; &#8220;you can add me&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#039;d never vote for, but who I&#039;d love to campaign for -- because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember -- or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.

Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#039;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#039;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.

Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#039; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &quot;y&#039;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&quot;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on ... &quot;y&#039;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#039;s-er-name, starts with an &#039;M&#039;?&quot; &quot;Um ... I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&quot;  &quot;Y&#039;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&quot;  (Somehow, I can&#039;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#039;ll let Woody make something up for me.)

By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#039;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &quot;Compassionate&quot;?  If &quot;conservative&quot; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#039;t so easily practice what&#039;s been preached to them?

Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#039;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#8217;d never vote for, but who I&#8217;d love to campaign for &#8212; because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember &#8212; or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.</p>
<p>Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#8217;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#8217;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.</p>
<p>Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#8217; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &#8220;y&#8217;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&#8221;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on &#8230; &#8220;y&#8217;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#8217;s-er-name, starts with an &#8216;M&#8217;?&#8221; &#8220;Um &#8230; I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&#8221;  &#8220;Y&#8217;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&#8221;  (Somehow, I can&#8217;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#8217;ll let Woody make something up for me.)</p>
<p>By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#8217;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &#8220;Compassionate&#8221;?  If &#8220;conservative&#8221; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#8217;t so easily practice what&#8217;s been preached to them?</p>
<p>Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#8217;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576990</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#039;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#8217;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576984</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:

&quot;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&quot;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:</p>
<p>&#8220;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</a></p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576959</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families

A)  Bullshit
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families</p>
<p>A)  Bullshit<br />
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576957</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576952</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.

---

MY  NEW  TRUCK 

I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#039;t get the radio to work.

The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  

&quot;Nelson,&quot; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&quot;Ricky or Willie?&quot; &quot;Willie!&quot; he continued and &quot;On The Road Again&quot; came from the speakers. 

Then he said, &quot;Ray Charles!&quot;, and in an instant &quot;Georgia On My  Mind&quot; replaced Willie Nelson.

I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#039;d say,  Beethoven,&quot; I&#039;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &quot;Beatles,&quot; I&#039;d get one of their awesome songs. 
 
Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &quot;Idiots!&quot; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.
 
I LOVE this truck!!!

---

I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#039; email lists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>MY  NEW  TRUCK </p>
<p>I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#8217;t get the radio to work.</p>
<p>The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Nelson,&#8221; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&#8221;Ricky or Willie?&#8221; &#8220;Willie!&#8221; he continued and &#8220;On The Road Again&#8221; came from the speakers. </p>
<p>Then he said, &#8220;Ray Charles!&#8221;, and in an instant &#8220;Georgia On My  Mind&#8221; replaced Willie Nelson.</p>
<p>I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#8217;d say,  Beethoven,&#8221; I&#8217;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &#8220;Beatles,&#8221; I&#8217;d get one of their awesome songs. </p>
<p>Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &#8220;Idiots!&#8221; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.</p>
<p>I LOVE this truck!!!</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#8217; email lists.</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&quot;

No Samuel. It&#039;s not partisan ideology, it&#039;s simple logic and basic observation.

Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored--that didn&#039;t share enthusiastic Democratic support--that was written to help urban poor families. 

You can&#039;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.

Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &quot;family values&quot; marketing slogan.

The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.

To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#039;s support for their effort.

Family values are important and it&#039;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#039;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>No Samuel. It&#8217;s not partisan ideology, it&#8217;s simple logic and basic observation.</p>
<p>Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored&#8211;that didn&#8217;t share enthusiastic Democratic support&#8211;that was written to help urban poor families. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.</p>
<p>Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &#8220;family values&#8221; marketing slogan.</p>
<p>The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.</p>
<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#8217;s support for their effort.</p>
<p>Family values are important and it&#8217;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#8217;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Stott</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576940</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel Stott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric the Political Hack Says: 

&quot;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&quot;

It&#039;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.

Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &quot;family values&quot; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.

Tacking on &quot;ophobic&quot; to your chosen noun doesn&#039;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. 

&quot;Islamophobia!&quot; &quot;Homophobia!&quot; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. 

How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#039;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.

I will believe that &quot;multi-culturalism&quot; isn&#039;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.

The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.

The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition---overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. 

 
 

    

 


I don&#039;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric the Political Hack Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.</p>
<p>Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &#8220;family values&#8221; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.</p>
<p>Tacking on &#8220;ophobic&#8221; to your chosen noun doesn&#8217;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. </p>
<p>&#8220;Islamophobia!&#8221; &#8220;Homophobia!&#8221; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. </p>
<p>How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#8217;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.</p>
<p>I will believe that &#8220;multi-culturalism&#8221; isn&#8217;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.</p>
<p>The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.</p>
<p>The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition&#8212;overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.

Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians - and an Arkansan - in a Band, of whose name I don&#039;t recall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.</p>
<p>Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians &#8211; and an Arkansan &#8211; in a Band, of whose name I don&#8217;t recall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &quot;Country and Western&quot; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &#8220;Country and Western&#8221; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &quot;pro environment&quot; as it was viewed back then.  

However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#039;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &#8220;pro environment&#8221; as it was viewed back then.  </p>
<p>However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#8217;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</p>
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		<title>By: jim hitchcock</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim hitchcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#039;d be my man. And he&#039;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#039;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#8217;d be my man. And he&#8217;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#8217;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down - two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#039;t be bothered to show up - and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.

Oh well, there&#039;s always South Carolina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down &#8211; two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#8217;t be bothered to show up &#8211; and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.</p>
<p>Oh well, there&#8217;s always South Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</p>
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		<dc:creator>best credit card for teens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-577075</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you can me&quot; -&gt; &quot;you can add me&quot;.

Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#039;t tell my clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you can me&#8221; -&gt; &#8220;you can add me&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#8217;t tell my clients.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-577074</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#039;d never vote for, but who I&#039;d love to campaign for -- because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember -- or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.

Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#039;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#039;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.

Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#039; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &quot;y&#039;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&quot;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on ... &quot;y&#039;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#039;s-er-name, starts with an &#039;M&#039;?&quot; &quot;Um ... I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&quot;  &quot;Y&#039;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&quot;  (Somehow, I can&#039;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#039;ll let Woody make something up for me.)

By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#039;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &quot;Compassionate&quot;?  If &quot;conservative&quot; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#039;t so easily practice what&#039;s been preached to them?

Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#039;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#8217;d never vote for, but who I&#8217;d love to campaign for &#8212; because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember &#8212; or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.</p>
<p>Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#8217;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#8217;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.</p>
<p>Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#8217; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &#8220;y&#8217;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&#8221;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on &#8230; &#8220;y&#8217;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#8217;s-er-name, starts with an &#8216;M&#8217;?&#8221; &#8220;Um &#8230; I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&#8221;  &#8220;Y&#8217;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&#8221;  (Somehow, I can&#8217;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#8217;ll let Woody make something up for me.)</p>
<p>By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#8217;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &#8220;Compassionate&#8221;?  If &#8220;conservative&#8221; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#8217;t so easily practice what&#8217;s been preached to them?</p>
<p>Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#8217;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576990</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#039;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#8217;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576984</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:

&quot;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&quot;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:</p>
<p>&#8220;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</a></p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576959</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families

A)  Bullshit
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families</p>
<p>A)  Bullshit<br />
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576957</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576952</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.

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MY  NEW  TRUCK 

I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#039;t get the radio to work.

The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  

&quot;Nelson,&quot; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&quot;Ricky or Willie?&quot; &quot;Willie!&quot; he continued and &quot;On The Road Again&quot; came from the speakers. 

Then he said, &quot;Ray Charles!&quot;, and in an instant &quot;Georgia On My  Mind&quot; replaced Willie Nelson.

I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#039;d say,  Beethoven,&quot; I&#039;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &quot;Beatles,&quot; I&#039;d get one of their awesome songs. 
 
Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &quot;Idiots!&quot; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.
 
I LOVE this truck!!!

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I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#039; email lists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>MY  NEW  TRUCK </p>
<p>I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#8217;t get the radio to work.</p>
<p>The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Nelson,&#8221; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&#8221;Ricky or Willie?&#8221; &#8220;Willie!&#8221; he continued and &#8220;On The Road Again&#8221; came from the speakers. </p>
<p>Then he said, &#8220;Ray Charles!&#8221;, and in an instant &#8220;Georgia On My  Mind&#8221; replaced Willie Nelson.</p>
<p>I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#8217;d say,  Beethoven,&#8221; I&#8217;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &#8220;Beatles,&#8221; I&#8217;d get one of their awesome songs. </p>
<p>Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &#8220;Idiots!&#8221; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.</p>
<p>I LOVE this truck!!!</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#8217; email lists.</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576949</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&quot;

No Samuel. It&#039;s not partisan ideology, it&#039;s simple logic and basic observation.

Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored--that didn&#039;t share enthusiastic Democratic support--that was written to help urban poor families. 

You can&#039;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.

Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &quot;family values&quot; marketing slogan.

The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.

To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#039;s support for their effort.

Family values are important and it&#039;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#039;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>No Samuel. It&#8217;s not partisan ideology, it&#8217;s simple logic and basic observation.</p>
<p>Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored&#8211;that didn&#8217;t share enthusiastic Democratic support&#8211;that was written to help urban poor families. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.</p>
<p>Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &#8220;family values&#8221; marketing slogan.</p>
<p>The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.</p>
<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#8217;s support for their effort.</p>
<p>Family values are important and it&#8217;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#8217;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Stott</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576940</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel Stott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric the Political Hack Says: 

&quot;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&quot;

It&#039;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.

Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &quot;family values&quot; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.

Tacking on &quot;ophobic&quot; to your chosen noun doesn&#039;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. 

&quot;Islamophobia!&quot; &quot;Homophobia!&quot; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. 

How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#039;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.

I will believe that &quot;multi-culturalism&quot; isn&#039;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.

The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.

The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition---overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. 

 
 

    

 


I don&#039;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric the Political Hack Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.</p>
<p>Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &#8220;family values&#8221; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.</p>
<p>Tacking on &#8220;ophobic&#8221; to your chosen noun doesn&#8217;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. </p>
<p>&#8220;Islamophobia!&#8221; &#8220;Homophobia!&#8221; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. </p>
<p>How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#8217;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.</p>
<p>I will believe that &#8220;multi-culturalism&#8221; isn&#8217;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.</p>
<p>The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.</p>
<p>The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition&#8212;overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576939</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.

Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians - and an Arkansan - in a Band, of whose name I don&#039;t recall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.</p>
<p>Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians &#8211; and an Arkansan &#8211; in a Band, of whose name I don&#8217;t recall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576938</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &quot;Country and Western&quot; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &#8220;Country and Western&#8221; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576936</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &quot;pro environment&quot; as it was viewed back then.  

However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#039;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &#8220;pro environment&#8221; as it was viewed back then.  </p>
<p>However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#8217;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</p>
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		<title>By: jim hitchcock</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim hitchcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#039;d be my man. And he&#039;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#039;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#8217;d be my man. And he&#8217;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#8217;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down - two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#039;t be bothered to show up - and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.

Oh well, there&#039;s always South Carolina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down &#8211; two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#8217;t be bothered to show up &#8211; and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.</p>
<p>Oh well, there&#8217;s always South Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#039;d be my man. And he&#039;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#039;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#8217;d be my man. And he&#8217;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#8217;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</p>
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		<dc:creator>best credit card for teens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you can me&quot; -&gt; &quot;you can add me&quot;.

Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#039;t tell my clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you can me&#8221; -&gt; &#8220;you can add me&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#8217;t tell my clients.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-577074</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#039;d never vote for, but who I&#039;d love to campaign for -- because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember -- or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.

Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#039;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#039;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.

Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#039; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &quot;y&#039;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&quot;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on ... &quot;y&#039;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#039;s-er-name, starts with an &#039;M&#039;?&quot; &quot;Um ... I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&quot;  &quot;Y&#039;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&quot;  (Somehow, I can&#039;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#039;ll let Woody make something up for me.)

By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#039;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &quot;Compassionate&quot;?  If &quot;conservative&quot; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#039;t so easily practice what&#039;s been preached to them?

Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#039;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#8217;d never vote for, but who I&#8217;d love to campaign for &#8212; because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember &#8212; or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.</p>
<p>Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#8217;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#8217;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.</p>
<p>Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#8217; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &#8220;y&#8217;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&#8221;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on &#8230; &#8220;y&#8217;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#8217;s-er-name, starts with an &#8216;M&#8217;?&#8221; &#8220;Um &#8230; I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&#8221;  &#8220;Y&#8217;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&#8221;  (Somehow, I can&#8217;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#8217;ll let Woody make something up for me.)</p>
<p>By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#8217;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &#8220;Compassionate&#8221;?  If &#8220;conservative&#8221; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#8217;t so easily practice what&#8217;s been preached to them?</p>
<p>Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#8217;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#039;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#8217;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:

&quot;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&quot;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:</p>
<p>&#8220;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</a></p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families

A)  Bullshit
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families</p>
<p>A)  Bullshit<br />
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.

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MY  NEW  TRUCK 

I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#039;t get the radio to work.

The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  

&quot;Nelson,&quot; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&quot;Ricky or Willie?&quot; &quot;Willie!&quot; he continued and &quot;On The Road Again&quot; came from the speakers. 

Then he said, &quot;Ray Charles!&quot;, and in an instant &quot;Georgia On My  Mind&quot; replaced Willie Nelson.

I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#039;d say,  Beethoven,&quot; I&#039;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &quot;Beatles,&quot; I&#039;d get one of their awesome songs. 
 
Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &quot;Idiots!&quot; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.
 
I LOVE this truck!!!

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I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#039; email lists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>MY  NEW  TRUCK </p>
<p>I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#8217;t get the radio to work.</p>
<p>The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Nelson,&#8221; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&#8221;Ricky or Willie?&#8221; &#8220;Willie!&#8221; he continued and &#8220;On The Road Again&#8221; came from the speakers. </p>
<p>Then he said, &#8220;Ray Charles!&#8221;, and in an instant &#8220;Georgia On My  Mind&#8221; replaced Willie Nelson.</p>
<p>I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#8217;d say,  Beethoven,&#8221; I&#8217;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &#8220;Beatles,&#8221; I&#8217;d get one of their awesome songs. </p>
<p>Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &#8220;Idiots!&#8221; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.</p>
<p>I LOVE this truck!!!</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#8217; email lists.</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&quot;

No Samuel. It&#039;s not partisan ideology, it&#039;s simple logic and basic observation.

Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored--that didn&#039;t share enthusiastic Democratic support--that was written to help urban poor families. 

You can&#039;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.

Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &quot;family values&quot; marketing slogan.

The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.

To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#039;s support for their effort.

Family values are important and it&#039;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#039;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>No Samuel. It&#8217;s not partisan ideology, it&#8217;s simple logic and basic observation.</p>
<p>Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored&#8211;that didn&#8217;t share enthusiastic Democratic support&#8211;that was written to help urban poor families. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.</p>
<p>Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &#8220;family values&#8221; marketing slogan.</p>
<p>The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.</p>
<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#8217;s support for their effort.</p>
<p>Family values are important and it&#8217;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#8217;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Stott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel Stott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric the Political Hack Says: 

&quot;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&quot;

It&#039;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.

Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &quot;family values&quot; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.

Tacking on &quot;ophobic&quot; to your chosen noun doesn&#039;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. 

&quot;Islamophobia!&quot; &quot;Homophobia!&quot; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. 

How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#039;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.

I will believe that &quot;multi-culturalism&quot; isn&#039;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.

The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.

The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition---overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. 

 
 

    

 


I don&#039;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric the Political Hack Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.</p>
<p>Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &#8220;family values&#8221; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.</p>
<p>Tacking on &#8220;ophobic&#8221; to your chosen noun doesn&#8217;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. </p>
<p>&#8220;Islamophobia!&#8221; &#8220;Homophobia!&#8221; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. </p>
<p>How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#8217;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.</p>
<p>I will believe that &#8220;multi-culturalism&#8221; isn&#8217;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.</p>
<p>The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.</p>
<p>The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition&#8212;overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.

Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians - and an Arkansan - in a Band, of whose name I don&#039;t recall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.</p>
<p>Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians &#8211; and an Arkansan &#8211; in a Band, of whose name I don&#8217;t recall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &quot;Country and Western&quot; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &#8220;Country and Western&#8221; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &quot;pro environment&quot; as it was viewed back then.  

However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#039;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &#8220;pro environment&#8221; as it was viewed back then.  </p>
<p>However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#8217;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</p>
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		<title>By: jim hitchcock</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#039;d be my man. And he&#039;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#039;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#8217;d be my man. And he&#8217;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#8217;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down - two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#039;t be bothered to show up - and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.

Oh well, there&#039;s always South Carolina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down &#8211; two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#8217;t be bothered to show up &#8211; and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.</p>
<p>Oh well, there&#8217;s always South Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down - two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#039;t be bothered to show up - and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.

Oh well, there&#039;s always South Carolina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down &#8211; two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#8217;t be bothered to show up &#8211; and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.</p>
<p>Oh well, there&#8217;s always South Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you can me&quot; -&gt; &quot;you can add me&quot;.

Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#039;t tell my clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you can me&#8221; -&gt; &#8220;you can add me&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well, you can also can me.  I work as a proofreader sometimes?!  Don&#8217;t tell my clients.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#039;d never vote for, but who I&#039;d love to campaign for -- because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember -- or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.

Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#039;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#039;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.

Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#039; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &quot;y&#039;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&quot;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on ... &quot;y&#039;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#039;s-er-name, starts with an &#039;M&#039;?&quot; &quot;Um ... I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&quot;  &quot;Y&#039;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&quot;  (Somehow, I can&#039;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#039;ll let Woody make something up for me.)

By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#039;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &quot;Compassionate&quot;?  If &quot;conservative&quot; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#039;t so easily practice what&#039;s been preached to them?

Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#039;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It happens every now and then: a candidate emerges who I&#8217;d never vote for, but who I&#8217;d love to campaign for &#8212; because it would be interesting and fun.  Yes, you can me to the I Heart Huckabee chorus.  His is the freshest voice on the Right since I can remember &#8212; or at least, since Jack Kemp, who had a heart of solid gold, even if he was far too self-serious at times.</p>
<p>Huckabee seems to just along for the ride on his own bandwagon, and I think that&#8217;s kinda cool, even if it means he&#8217;ll probably step off quickly when it seems to be headed for the ditch.  After that departure (it seems inevitable), this campaign season, which has already started WAY too early, will grind on mercilessly, without relief, a juggernaut of grim determination from the remaining candidates.</p>
<p>Why, the other day, I actually *forgot* John Edwards&#8217; name, and had to resort to the circumlocution of &#8220;y&#8217;know, that glorified ambulance-chaser?&#8221;  Perhaps my memory will fail me even more delightfully from now on &#8230; &#8220;y&#8217;know, that woman who used to be married to, um, that other president who DID NOT have sex with that woman, what&#8217;s-er-name, starts with an &#8216;M&#8217;?&#8221; &#8220;Um &#8230; I forget now, Italian surname, inhaled a lot of 9/11 wreckage fumes, still dizzy from it?&#8221;  &#8220;Y&#8217;know, that Mormon who got knocked on the head with presidential ambitions, and now has amnesia about the fact that he used to almost be a liberal?&#8221;  (Somehow, I can&#8217;t quite consign Obama to anonymity at this point, so I&#8217;ll let Woody make something up for me.)</p>
<p>By the way, am I alone in thinking there&#8217;s something pathetic about conservatism in America because a certain brand of it distinguishes itself as &#8220;Compassionate&#8221;?  If &#8220;conservative&#8221; is a good predictor of being Christian, and if being Christian is a good predictor of being more compassionate than most, why the qualification?  Maybe because they can&#8217;t so easily practice what&#8217;s been preached to them?</p>
<p>Put me down n favor of classifying abortion as Involuntary Manslaughter, with the mandatory punishment being a lifetime free supply of contraceptives and ob/gyn checkups.  It&#8217;s a terrible, terrible crime, and I can think of no better punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#039;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Huckabee is showing that aside from reactionary-right social thinking, economic populism resonates wit hAmerican proles.  No surprise.  Hopefully Dems will listen.  I don&#8217;t like his views on 99 percent of the issues, but the guy is quite authentic-seeming.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:

&quot;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&quot;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm/  KOS seems worried about Huckabee:</p>
<p>&#8220;His rise on this brand of populism is a phenomenon Democrats should be well aware of if they want to win the White House in 2008.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/105631/146</a></p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families

A)  Bullshit
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families</p>
<p>A)  Bullshit<br />
B)  Even if it were true, helping people is the job of a just society, regardless of one or two parents.</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moynihan was indeed a racist, and a man proud of his role in the mass murder of East Timorese in the seventies.</description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.

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MY  NEW  TRUCK 

I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#039;t get the radio to work.

The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  

&quot;Nelson,&quot; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&quot;Ricky or Willie?&quot; &quot;Willie!&quot; he continued and &quot;On The Road Again&quot; came from the speakers. 

Then he said, &quot;Ray Charles!&quot;, and in an instant &quot;Georgia On My  Mind&quot; replaced Willie Nelson.

I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#039;d say,  Beethoven,&quot; I&#039;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &quot;Beatles,&quot; I&#039;d get one of their awesome songs. 
 
Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &quot;Idiots!&quot; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.
 
I LOVE this truck!!!

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I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#039; email lists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this thread is stale and we talked about politics and music, here is something that I received today.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>MY  NEW  TRUCK </p>
<p>I bought a new Ford F-350 crew cab and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn&#8217;t get the radio to work.</p>
<p>The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Nelson,&#8221; the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied,&#8221;Ricky or Willie?&#8221; &#8220;Willie!&#8221; he continued and &#8220;On The Road Again&#8221; came from the speakers. </p>
<p>Then he said, &#8220;Ray Charles!&#8221;, and in an instant &#8220;Georgia On My  Mind&#8221; replaced Willie Nelson.</p>
<p>I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I&#8217;d say,  Beethoven,&#8221; I&#8217;d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, &#8220;Beatles,&#8221; I&#8217;d get one of their awesome songs. </p>
<p>Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, &#8220;Idiots!&#8221; Immediately the French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on  Scotch.</p>
<p>I LOVE this truck!!!</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>I know that many of you are now begging to get on some of my friends&#8217; email lists.</p>
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		<title>By: bunkerbuster</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576949</link>
		<dc:creator>bunkerbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&quot;

No Samuel. It&#039;s not partisan ideology, it&#039;s simple logic and basic observation.

Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored--that didn&#039;t share enthusiastic Democratic support--that was written to help urban poor families. 

You can&#039;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.

Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &quot;family values&quot; marketing slogan.

The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.

To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#039;s support for their effort.

Family values are important and it&#039;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#039;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about â€œfamily valuesâ€ is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>No Samuel. It&#8217;s not partisan ideology, it&#8217;s simple logic and basic observation.</p>
<p>Name one single piece of legislation any GOP member has every sponsored&#8211;that didn&#8217;t share enthusiastic Democratic support&#8211;that was written to help urban poor families. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t, unless you think measures to make abortion more difficult, ban condom distribution in schools and jail minor drug offenders are actually HELPING urban poor families.</p>
<p>Yet there is GOP-backed legislation aplenty to serve the anti-gay, anti-abortion rights political agenda that the GOP promotes under its &#8220;family values&#8221; marketing slogan.</p>
<p>The big lie here is that the widening disintegration of the traditional American family is the result of liberal values displacing traditional ones. Thus the bromide that a return to conservative women-stay-at-home-and-have-babies values would solve the problem.</p>
<p>To be sure, certain welfare policies have accelerated the rise of single-parent families, but that trend was well established and would exist regardless. Clinton, to his credit, addressed some of that and had much, though not all, of his party&#8217;s support for their effort.</p>
<p>Family values are important and it&#8217;s well worth having an open, honest debate about what the government can or can&#8217;t do to help. But as long as the GOP uses the phrase as a code word to bash gays and working women, there can be no such discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Stott</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576940</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel Stott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric the Political Hack Says: 

&quot;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&quot;

It&#039;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.

Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &quot;family values&quot; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.

Tacking on &quot;ophobic&quot; to your chosen noun doesn&#039;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. 

&quot;Islamophobia!&quot; &quot;Homophobia!&quot; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. 

How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#039;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.

I will believe that &quot;multi-culturalism&quot; isn&#039;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.

The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.

The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition---overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. 

 
 

    

 


I don&#039;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric the Political Hack Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;What I was trying to say (and perhaps bunkerbuster stated it better) is that the whole â€œfamily valuesâ€ charade is nothing more than disguised homophobia and excuses for censorship.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to know where to start here.  In many poverty zones, the percentage of of fatherless households (never mind the question of marriage) approaches 60 percent. The poor are overwhelmingly single females with fatherless children. This is beyond dispute.</p>
<p>Back when Daniel Patrick Moynihan issued his Moynihan Report he was widely reviled as a racist (and with perfect irelevance to his arguments), but his predictions have come to pass. The trend he warned against in the American black community is now going full throttle in the white community, with the same results, but for reasons that are purely ideological and partisan you have to insist that talk about &#8220;family values&#8221; is only about hating gays and subverting the Constitution.</p>
<p>Tacking on &#8220;ophobic&#8221; to your chosen noun doesn&#8217;t illuminate anything but remains a favorite tactic, if not strategy of the Left. </p>
<p>&#8220;Islamophobia!&#8221; &#8220;Homophobia!&#8221; As charges these are unanswerable becasue they contain neither questions nor substantive criticism. </p>
<p>How would you like being called Christianaphobic? It reduces your opposition to the political agenda of many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals to a psychological motivation, and implies that you aren&#8217;t willing to live in peace with these groups, under any circumstances.</p>
<p>I will believe that &#8220;multi-culturalism&#8221; isn&#8217;t a bad joke and an abbreviation for a set of irrational prejudices when I see Western Leftists engaging their domestic political enemies on the substance of their arguments.</p>
<p>The religious have the right to argue from their religion, just as ideologues have the right to argue from their ideology.</p>
<p>The silliest thing about this discussion is that you apparently think a pack of fleck-mouthed Christians are working to take away your rights and that we are on the 11th hour.  Try to keep calm and cultivate liberality. The Christian tradition is the same as the American Christian tradition&#8212;overwhelmingly secular and liberal. Lighten up, Francis. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you personally Eric, but most of the people I know personally who think like this are urban and college town provincials who know few to zero American Christian fundamentalists and evengelicals,</p>
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		<title>By: jcummings</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576939</link>
		<dc:creator>jcummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.

Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians - and an Arkansan - in a Band, of whose name I don&#039;t recall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take anything over Babs, except of course Up the Sandbox.</p>
<p>Skynyrd were good, but I prefer the Allmans. But the country/rock fusion was perfected by Canadians &#8211; and an Arkansan &#8211; in a Band, of whose name I don&#8217;t recall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576938</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &quot;Country and Western&quot; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your loss Woody. You rednecks can have all that crappy &#8220;Country and Western&#8221; schlock. Long as I can keep my bluegrass along with Babs.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576936</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &quot;pro environment&quot; as it was viewed back then.  

However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#039;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that people care about the political beliefs of Skynyrd or that those beliefs would affect the love for their songs.  Also, I have no problem with Van Zandt being &#8220;pro environment&#8221; as it was viewed back then.  </p>
<p>However, I absolutely will not listen to anything by Barbra Streisand.  Likewise, you don&#8217;t hear a lot of Lee Greenwood music at Democratic gatherings.</p>
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		<title>By: jim hitchcock</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576935</link>
		<dc:creator>jim hitchcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skynyrd (or at least Ronnie Van Zandt) was also pro environment (All I Can Do Is Write It In a Song).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576929</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huckabee is a brilliant communicator.  He is every bit as good at explaining his position understandably as fellow Arkansas gov Clinton is.  His ideas disqualify him, in my opinion, but it would be a mistake to underestimate him.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576924</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#039;d be my man. And he&#039;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#039;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Huckabee. If I were a far-rightwinger, he&#8217;d be my man. And he&#8217;s not a bad bass player.  Supports more music and arts programs in the public schools, which is kinda weird for somebody in his ideological camp.  Decent guy who&#8217;s wrong on most issues.  It happens.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576923</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down - two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#039;t be bothered to show up - and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.

Oh well, there&#039;s always South Carolina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is getting pretty weird here. There is one fact that comes out of the straw poll and that is the really weak GOP field. Numbers were down &#8211; two of the so-called frontrunners couldn&#8217;t be bothered to show up &#8211; and Romney has to be really proud of spending so much to get so little.</p>
<p>Oh well, there&#8217;s always South Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turmon</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/mike-who-abee/comment-page-1/#comment-576921</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Turmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Having a Mom and a Dad at home protects children, raises their grades and academic and career prospects, lowers their rates of criminality and drug abuse and alcoholism and drastically lowers their exposure to crime, physical abuse and sexual molestation.&quot;

As long as we&#039;re chasing Science, I wonder if the statistics on kids with 2 lesbian parents are more favorable with respect to most of the problems on the above laundry list?  That&#039;s what I would call science-based family values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Having a Mom and a Dad at home protects children, raises their grades and academic and career prospects, lowers their rates of criminality and drug abuse and alcoholism and drastically lowers their exposure to crime, physical abuse and sexual molestation.&#8221;</p>
<p>As long as we&#8217;re chasing Science, I wonder if the statistics on kids with 2 lesbian parents are more favorable with respect to most of the problems on the above laundry list?  That&#8217;s what I would call science-based family values.</p>
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