I didn’t agree with you first, but last paragraph makes sense for me…

http://dennisperrin.blogspot.com/2008/03/pleasure-of-pain.html

If you read the link, only a small part is about Hillary, and even that was written in a tongue-in-cheek manner.

Hopefully Hillary’s duplicitous and hypocritical hesitance will give her campaign a pounding.

BTW: I heard Geraldine on NPR’s Talk of the Nation about a week ago and she expressed absolutely no qualms about the undemocratic nature of the superdelegates. Extremely annoying to listen to her outrageousness and so it’s not really a surprise that she would say something totally lame like this.

Until a few weeks ago, I wasn’t even a mild Hill-basher (though I didn’t support her). I may not yet be fully ‘Cooperized (or is it Balterized’) on this subject but I’m getting there. Her behavior has been that noxious. From what I read around the blogosphere, I’m far from alone.

Last four years: 7 Israelis killed by rockets from Gaza. 1000 Gazans killed. Yup, pretty symmetrical.

A) “Historically” - before WW2 it was Zionists who were thought of as Moonbats. It was a minority position. Unitl 67 even.
B) My stats come fromhttp://www.counterpunch.org/brenner10242003.html among other places…but the specific state I refer to is in regards to Jews below the age of 30, the operative number.

Zionism will be looked at as historical folly, mark my words.

Yeah, no kidding. But that’s jcummings for you.

From a 2007 AJC survey that pointed out how generally liberal/moderate (and anti-Bushadministration) American jews are, hopefully putting to rest the (arguably anti-semitic) stereotype of American jews as “neocons”, one can still find plenty of support for Israel among American jews.

http://www.ajc.org/site/c.ijITI2PHKoG/b.3642857/

61% feel that the UN treats Israel “unfairly”.

http://www.ajc.org/site/c.ijITI2PHKoG/b.3643395/

69% sign on to “… caring about Israel is a very important part to my being a jew.”

jcummings’ escape hatch is, of course, his qualifier, “historically”. What does it mean? What does it add? Probably not much more than his hilariously vacuous uses of the word “objectively”. After all, one could say, “Historically, most Jews weren’t bothered at all by the Holocaust”, and — ha ha, “objectively” — you’d be quite right, for the simple reason that, for 98+% of Jewish history, the Holocaust hadn’t happened yet.

If he wants to claim that a majority of Jews in the world, prior to the Holocaust, thought that Zionism was maybe a little crazy, or utopian, or simply unnecessary and not worth the bother, he might have a point. Who knows? I don’t. Is it a big deal now? I don’t think so. After all, at one point in the debate about where to site the Jewish Homeland, some Zionists were seriously proposing *Uganda*. (C’mon, could I make up something like that?)

However, what people might have thought at one time hardly matters now, unless perhaps you’re some connoisseur of incongruous dialectic. After all, at one time, to be an American feminist might have meant also being a Prohibitionist, or an anti-abortion activist, or both.

The poll I saw showed 28% identifying as Zionists, while 82% had pro-Israel attitudes. Obviously, people who choose not to live in Israel might not identify themselves as Zionists, that certainly doesn’t put them in your camp.

As to most Jews historically opposing Israel, well, this moonbat statement is hard to respond to. Probably you’re talking about attitudes one hundred years ago, before the Holocaust completely changed the equation.

That said, I think she’s mellowed. I saw the Dead a few times in the DC area in the 90s and the Gores were always backstage, participating in the unique and arcane culture.

These, among many are great crimes.

For any number of reasons when the Clintons come up any sense of proportion goes out the window and we get the complete loss of any sense of proportion. How the Right can see this couple as the epitome of all that is corrupt and venial after the last 7 plus years is amazing. How the Left can find nothing good in the period 1993 -2001 shows just how infantile and, frankly, irrelevant they have become and only convinces me that I’m right in believing that for “Progressives” the Great Crime of Bill and Hil was that they “won.”

In any case, I believe both definitions work for his description of what is likely to happen in America if either Democratic Candidate is elected. A Mommy mentality staggering around terrorizing our self-reliance, our risk-taking, our individual responsibilities, our individual ‘rights’ to make our own decisions and accept the rewards and consequences.

In other words our ‘freedoms’ to succeed or fail will be replaced ever more rapidly by a huge, grotesque, interfering, in your face………Nurse Ratchet Mummy Monster.

http://tinyurl.com/2ujzku

Here’s a sample:

“Well, we will have Hillary Clinton to kick around some more, at least for another few weeks. The Mummy kicked open the sarcophagus door and, despite the rotting bandages dating back to Iowa, began staggering around terrorizing folks all over again. “She is a monster,” Obama adviser Samantha Power told a reporter from the Scotsman — and not a monster in a cute Loch Ness blurry long-distance kind of way but something far more repulsive and in your face. “You just look at her and think, ‘Ergh,’” continued Ms. Power, warming to her theme perhaps more than is advisable even in an interview with an overseas newspaper.”

Now that’s entertainment.