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		<title>By: Betting</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/out-of-the-plamegate-woodwork-woodward/#comment-73955</link>
		<dc:creator>Betting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gas motor scooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>gas motor scooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: brigite bardotnvx</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/out-of-the-plamegate-woodwork-woodward/#comment-71952</link>
		<dc:creator>brigite bardotnvx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Plamegate Scandal &#187; PLAMEGATE: - Marc Cooper Blog Archive Out of the Plamegate Woodwork</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Plamegate Scandal &#187; PLAMEGATE: - Marc Cooper Blog Archive Out of the Plamegate Woodwork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Marc Cooper Blog Archive Out of the Plamegate Woodwork  Of Mice and Men [Updated] Shedding Pajamas: OSM Out of the Plamegate Woodwork: Woodward! The bad news for the Bush administration is that the Patrick Fitzgerald probe into Plamegate is still plowing full [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Marc Cooper Blog Archive Out of the Plamegate Woodwork  Of Mice and Men [Updated] Shedding Pajamas: OSM Out of the Plamegate Woodwork: Woodward! The bad news for the Bush administration is that the Patrick Fitzgerald probe into Plamegate is still plowing full [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gail Newman</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/out-of-the-plamegate-woodwork-woodward/#comment-22381</link>
		<dc:creator>Gail Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once wondered whether Bob Woodward was loosing his "edge" because his definition of "journalism" appeared to be strongly against the public interest and strongly in the favor of the Bush administration.   I assumed his obvious bias was a way of buying access for the purpose of selling his books.  

Now I understand that this was nothing as benign as the moral lapse in judgement that I had been willing to accept.    Now I recognize it is a pattern of misbehavior so shocking in its depth that all or journalism must pay for his decision to call what he has been doing, "journalism".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once wondered whether Bob Woodward was loosing his &#8220;edge&#8221; because his definition of &#8220;journalism&#8221; appeared to be strongly against the public interest and strongly in the favor of the Bush administration.   I assumed his obvious bias was a way of buying access for the purpose of selling his books.  </p>
<p>Now I understand that this was nothing as benign as the moral lapse in judgement that I had been willing to accept.    Now I recognize it is a pattern of misbehavior so shocking in its depth that all or journalism must pay for his decision to call what he has been doing, &#8220;journalism&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: John Dicker</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/out-of-the-plamegate-woodwork-woodward/#comment-22284</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dicker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like John Powers write up of Woodward in Sore Winners. Goes something like this: "If journalism represents the first draft of history then Bob Woodward represents the first draft of journalism."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like John Powers write up of Woodward in Sore Winners. Goes something like this: &#8220;If journalism represents the first draft of history then Bob Woodward represents the first draft of journalism.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/out-of-the-plamegate-woodwork-woodward/#comment-22281</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops, that flight was in July 2003 and Woodward says June, so either my guess is wrong or Woodward has got the date wrong...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops, that flight was in July 2003 and Woodward says June, so either my guess is wrong or Woodward has got the date wrong&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/out-of-the-plamegate-woodwork-woodward/#comment-22279</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let's not get carried away about this Woodward thing. A little armchair guessing: Colin Powell's entourage was major source for Plan of Attack; a memo about Valerie Plame circulated on Powell's airplane; look for the source there. It does not automatically mean that the source was part of the Cheney campaign to discredit Wilson. Which could mean it is irrelevant to Scooter's problems.

I as said, just a guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not get carried away about this Woodward thing. A little armchair guessing: Colin Powell&#8217;s entourage was major source for Plan of Attack; a memo about Valerie Plame circulated on Powell&#8217;s airplane; look for the source there. It does not automatically mean that the source was part of the Cheney campaign to discredit Wilson. Which could mean it is irrelevant to Scooter&#8217;s problems.</p>
<p>I as said, just a guess.</p>
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		<title>By: richard lo cicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard lo cicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And here is another example of the Govt-Media Complex. Today's edition of the HILL newspaper has an article criticizing Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi for not giving enough time to K Street Lobbyists. Seems they're complaining of a lack of access. Imagine that! Yesterday it was a complaint from fat cat Democratic Donors that Howard Dean was not giving them enough attention. See who is important? Not us, it seems. Yeah, I know these are "trade papers" for Hill staffers but that attitude seeps into the MSM or don't you watch all those "Sabbath Gasbags" as Calvin Trillen so notably called them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here is another example of the Govt-Media Complex. Today&#8217;s edition of the HILL newspaper has an article criticizing Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi for not giving enough time to K Street Lobbyists. Seems they&#8217;re complaining of a lack of access. Imagine that! Yesterday it was a complaint from fat cat Democratic Donors that Howard Dean was not giving them enough attention. See who is important? Not us, it seems. Yeah, I know these are &#8220;trade papers&#8221; for Hill staffers but that attitude seeps into the MSM or don&#8217;t you watch all those &#8220;Sabbath Gasbags&#8221; as Calvin Trillen so notably called them.</p>
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		<title>By: richard lo cicero</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/out-of-the-plamegate-woodwork-woodward/#comment-22256</link>
		<dc:creator>richard lo cicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woody Scooter is still in a heap of trouble. He is charged with Perjury and Obstruction and nothing Woodward said today changes that. Martha Stuart didn't go to jail for insider trading. And, if Woodward is to be believed, there was a THIRD high official spilling the beans about Plame. Now, as Dighby asks today, how many leakers cease making this a coincidence and start constituting a conspiracy? And why conspire? To make sure no one catches on to administration lies on Iraq that got us into war?

But let's get back to Woodward for a moment. I know he is arguing that his new "Deep Throat" is only helping him gather material for another book on Bush but when is it the duty of reporters to keep material secret. I thought confidentiality was necessary to get sources to talk about matters that the public needed to know. Now we are told the info itself is off the record? When did reporters become priests or shrinks?

Here is what this story tells us. The Washington media elite now forms a part of the Government. They take handouts and release what their masters in power want them too. They do this in order to maintain their access to the Great and the Good. And they treat the public as ignorantsrubes who must be carefully spoonfed the truth so as not to be unduly agitated.

Is it any wonder that more and more people don't trust what they read or see or hear? That I now feel that I have to read the WaPo or the NYT the way Soviet citizens had to read PRAVDA or ISVESTIA?  And what does the First Amendment mean? A blanket excuse from any responsibility on the part of journalists to carry the line of the day?

Yeah, I'm a purist Marc. Go off and play with the PJ, excuse me "Open Source (tm)" crowd. I'm sure Glenn and Mikey Ledeen won't ever carry water and I'm sure Jill will let you alone. But I am concerned that, more and more, REAL journalism - the kind that is celebrated in GOOD NIGHT and GOOD LUCK is, well "Quaint."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woody Scooter is still in a heap of trouble. He is charged with Perjury and Obstruction and nothing Woodward said today changes that. Martha Stuart didn&#8217;t go to jail for insider trading. And, if Woodward is to be believed, there was a THIRD high official spilling the beans about Plame. Now, as Dighby asks today, how many leakers cease making this a coincidence and start constituting a conspiracy? And why conspire? To make sure no one catches on to administration lies on Iraq that got us into war?</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s get back to Woodward for a moment. I know he is arguing that his new &#8220;Deep Throat&#8221; is only helping him gather material for another book on Bush but when is it the duty of reporters to keep material secret. I thought confidentiality was necessary to get sources to talk about matters that the public needed to know. Now we are told the info itself is off the record? When did reporters become priests or shrinks?</p>
<p>Here is what this story tells us. The Washington media elite now forms a part of the Government. They take handouts and release what their masters in power want them too. They do this in order to maintain their access to the Great and the Good. And they treat the public as ignorantsrubes who must be carefully spoonfed the truth so as not to be unduly agitated.</p>
<p>Is it any wonder that more and more people don&#8217;t trust what they read or see or hear? That I now feel that I have to read the WaPo or the NYT the way Soviet citizens had to read PRAVDA or ISVESTIA?  And what does the First Amendment mean? A blanket excuse from any responsibility on the part of journalists to carry the line of the day?</p>
<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m a purist Marc. Go off and play with the PJ, excuse me &#8220;Open Source &#8482;&#8221; crowd. I&#8217;m sure Glenn and Mikey Ledeen won&#8217;t ever carry water and I&#8217;m sure Jill will let you alone. But I am concerned that, more and more, REAL journalism - the kind that is celebrated in GOOD NIGHT and GOOD LUCK is, well &#8220;Quaint.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark A. York</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/out-of-the-plamegate-woodwork-woodward/#comment-22255</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark A. York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And even with a laundry list of conservative reporters, not to mention the so-called liberal ones who shill for the administration, the press still takes that label from these ideologues. It just shows how firewalled off these people are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And even with a laundry list of conservative reporters, not to mention the so-called liberal ones who shill for the administration, the press still takes that label from these ideologues. It just shows how firewalled off these people are.</p>
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		<title>By: Mavis Beacon</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/out-of-the-plamegate-woodwork-woodward/#comment-22250</link>
		<dc:creator>Mavis Beacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And in a way it comes full circle.  Woodword already got to personally symbolize the ascention of the journalist as final truth-teller, honest truth-seeker, speaker of truth to power, and all that jazz.  Now he may get to symbolize it's darker days as well, the journalist as access-seeker, protector of government officials, truth-bender.  

It's funny how some of these journalists have seen themselves as not just the guardians of public discourse but it's owners and masters.  If they deem it outside the realm of conversation then it must be so.  Woodword, unless there are some exonerating revelations, seems to have fallen prey to that mentality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in a way it comes full circle.  Woodword already got to personally symbolize the ascention of the journalist as final truth-teller, honest truth-seeker, speaker of truth to power, and all that jazz.  Now he may get to symbolize it&#8217;s darker days as well, the journalist as access-seeker, protector of government officials, truth-bender.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny how some of these journalists have seen themselves as not just the guardians of public discourse but it&#8217;s owners and masters.  If they deem it outside the realm of conversation then it must be so.  Woodword, unless there are some exonerating revelations, seems to have fallen prey to that mentality.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/out-of-the-plamegate-woodwork-woodward/#comment-22244</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"though hardly monolithic, certainly in sync with the left, despite the best efforts of lefty self-serving ideologues to keep it from being portrayed as such"

Interesting, GM, if you substitute "right" for "left", you will get just the view I have of the MSM.  Funny how differently two people can see the world.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;though hardly monolithic, certainly in sync with the left, despite the best efforts of lefty self-serving ideologues to keep it from being portrayed as such&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting, GM, if you substitute &#8220;right&#8221; for &#8220;left&#8221;, you will get just the view I have of the MSM.  Funny how differently two people can see the world.  <img src='http://marccooper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: GM Roper</title>
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		<dc:creator>GM Roper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reg:  I think there are several obvious problems with that attitude, number one being that â€œthe pressâ€ is hardly a monolithic entity, despite the best efforts of self-serving ideologues to portray it as such."

Well, I think there are several obvious problems with the attitude above, number one being that "the press" is, though hardly monolithic, certainly in sync with the left, despite the best efforts of lefty self-serving ideologues to keep it from being portrayed as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reg:  I think there are several obvious problems with that attitude, number one being that â€œthe pressâ€ is hardly a monolithic entity, despite the best efforts of self-serving ideologues to portray it as such.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I think there are several obvious problems with the attitude above, number one being that &#8220;the press&#8221; is, though hardly monolithic, certainly in sync with the left, despite the best efforts of lefty self-serving ideologues to keep it from being portrayed as such.</p>
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		<title>By: PSoTD</title>
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		<dc:creator>PSoTD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Encore of the Judy Miller Problem&lt;/strong&gt;

From the Seattle Times:


Text of Bob Woodward's Statement

On Monday, November 14, I testified under oat...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Encore of the Judy Miller Problem</strong></p>
<p>From the Seattle Times:</p>
<p>Text of Bob Woodward&#8217;s Statement</p>
<p>On Monday, November 14, I testified under oat&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark A. York</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark A. York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Iâ€™m not stupid" "The left this, the left that......"

Scooter's in a whole heap o trouble. It's only a nonissue for the selective amnesiacs who wistfully wish for that to be true. It isn't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Iâ€™m not stupid&#8221; &#8220;The left this, the left that&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Scooter&#8217;s in a whole heap o trouble. It&#8217;s only a nonissue for the selective amnesiacs who wistfully wish for that to be true. It isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woodward seems to have abandoned, or graduated from, journalism.  In his elevated status as a pundit, he has gained the "trust" of the elite, and hence they are willing to disclose the "real story" about the Iraq war or responses to the Sept. 11 attacks or..to him.  That is, he no longer needs to dig to get a story, the story comes to him by these "leaks", if you will, from undisclosed but unmistakably impressive sources.

That is to say, he is a patsy used freely by Establishment shills.  The story is what they say it is.  He volunteers his opinion that the actions of Libby and Rove are innocuous because he wants to please them.  Also, if they are discredited, he'll have to break in a new crop of senior administration officials.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woodward seems to have abandoned, or graduated from, journalism.  In his elevated status as a pundit, he has gained the &#8220;trust&#8221; of the elite, and hence they are willing to disclose the &#8220;real story&#8221; about the Iraq war or responses to the Sept. 11 attacks or..to him.  That is, he no longer needs to dig to get a story, the story comes to him by these &#8220;leaks&#8221;, if you will, from undisclosed but unmistakably impressive sources.</p>
<p>That is to say, he is a patsy used freely by Establishment shills.  The story is what they say it is.  He volunteers his opinion that the actions of Libby and Rove are innocuous because he wants to please them.  Also, if they are discredited, he&#8217;ll have to break in a new crop of senior administration officials.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK reg.. I'll take all that as a compliment. And seriously, David and I have our eyes wide open. As he said, I have nothing to lose. We;ll see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK reg.. I&#8217;ll take all that as a compliment. And seriously, David and I have our eyes wide open. As he said, I have nothing to lose. We;ll see.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The thing that I think is stupid is Simple Simon claiming to have come up with something new."

  Actually more stupid than having the Rockettes or whatever celebrating the launch of this ad bundling venture as something innovative are, as noted on a previous thread, the absurd protestations by Simon &#38; Johnson that they eschew "labels".  This is patent bullshit from guys who haven't even learned to do their own little tap dance very well.  They're giving "disingenuous" a bad name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The thing that I think is stupid is Simple Simon claiming to have come up with something new.&#8221;</p>
<p>  Actually more stupid than having the Rockettes or whatever celebrating the launch of this ad bundling venture as something innovative are, as noted on a previous thread, the absurd protestations by Simon &amp; Johnson that they eschew &#8220;labels&#8221;.  This is patent bullshit from guys who haven&#8217;t even learned to do their own little tap dance very well.  They&#8217;re giving &#8220;disingenuous&#8221; a bad name.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/out-of-the-plamegate-woodwork-woodward/#comment-22218</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woody...my pants are dry.  Check Scooter's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woody&#8230;my pants are dry.  Check Scooter&#8217;s.</p>
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