Comments on: Sealing Reagan's Tomb http://marccooper.com/sealing-reagans-tomb/ Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:06:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: passing through http://marccooper.com/sealing-reagans-tomb/#comment-599663 passing through Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:02:09 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=1993#comment-599663 <i>“Active politically” does not include solely posting 989568376365636373398938698 posts about Woody on Marc’s blog.</i> Sergio, you're an even bigger liar and hypocrite than Woody is, and at least his BS is in the service of his sick ideology, rather than merely being small-minded and spiteful. “Active politically” does not include solely posting 989568376365636373398938698 posts about Woody on Marc’s blog.

Sergio, you’re an even bigger liar and hypocrite than Woody is, and at least his BS is in the service of his sick ideology, rather than merely being small-minded and spiteful.

]]> By: passing through http://marccooper.com/sealing-reagans-tomb/#comment-599660 passing through Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:59:30 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=1993#comment-599660 Indeed it is "typical of the left" to see a sack of garbage like you for what it is. Indeed it is “typical of the left” to see a sack of garbage like you for what it is.

]]> By: Woody http://marccooper.com/sealing-reagans-tomb/#comment-599423 Woody Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:52:21 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=1993#comment-599423 Anna C., what I communicated was easily understood to mean sacrifices by our soldiers in Vietnam--just as the left tried to claim for "shoot 'em in the back and go home early" Kerry. Any other interpretation is a real stretch and typical of types like the spelling police, wanting to appear to be intellectually superior by pointing out incidental aspects of comments. It's a pathetic response on your part. Your other comment saying, "Woody, your mind is just a big zit." is typical of the left, frustrated over intertwined logic and truth exposing your indefensible positions. A big zit has more brain power than does a liberal. Anna C., what I communicated was easily understood to mean sacrifices by our soldiers in Vietnam–just as the left tried to claim for “shoot ‘em in the back and go home early” Kerry. Any other interpretation is a real stretch and typical of types like the spelling police, wanting to appear to be intellectually superior by pointing out incidental aspects of comments. It’s a pathetic response on your part.

Your other comment saying, “Woody, your mind is just a big zit.” is typical of the left, frustrated over intertwined logic and truth exposing your indefensible positions.

A big zit has more brain power than does a liberal.

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/sealing-reagans-tomb/#comment-599407 Sergio Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:28:39 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=1993#comment-599407 "Active politically" does not include solely posting 989568376365636373398938698 posts about Woody on Marc's blog. Obama will support US Imperialism and wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. He will NOT support single payer health care; rather, we'll see more Big Pharma and HMOs take our money. . He will continue to support a nuclear armed Israel. He will bail out Wall Street crooks. He will support FISA, the CIA, the NSA, and other attacks on the 1st, 4th, and 14th amendments. So he's better than war criminal GW Bush. Oh yes. So? Putin is better than Stalin, Castro better than Batista. There is <b> long</b> way to go to people's democracy or even <i>Unidad Popular</i> in this country. Be realistic, please. “Active politically” does not include solely posting 989568376365636373398938698 posts about Woody on Marc’s blog.

Obama will support US Imperialism and wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

He will NOT support single payer health care; rather, we’ll see more Big Pharma and HMOs take our money.
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He will continue to support a nuclear armed Israel.

He will bail out Wall Street crooks.

He will support FISA, the CIA, the NSA, and other attacks on the 1st, 4th, and 14th amendments.

So he’s better than war criminal GW Bush. Oh yes.

So? Putin is better than Stalin, Castro better than Batista.

There is long way to go to people’s democracy or even Unidad Popular in this country. Be realistic, please.

]]> By: jcummings http://marccooper.com/sealing-reagans-tomb/#comment-599404 jcummings Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:40:27 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=1993#comment-599404 And I'll remind reg that I'm active politically, as are most "Academic Leftists," a stereotype invented by teh right that he should know better than to use. And I’ll remind reg that I’m active politically, as are most “Academic Leftists,” a stereotype invented by teh right that he should know better than to use.

]]> By: jcummings http://marccooper.com/sealing-reagans-tomb/#comment-599403 jcummings Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:39:38 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=1993#comment-599403 Obama is a symptom as much as a cause. I want him to win. Its historic. He'll still preside over "the context of American politics" - i.e. mass murder, plunder and acucmulation. Kind of like how HIV is an improvement over AIDS. So can I count on reg's opposition to Obamimperialism? Obama is a symptom as much as a cause. I want him to win. Its historic. He’ll still preside over “the context of American politics” - i.e. mass murder, plunder and acucmulation. Kind of like how HIV is an improvement over AIDS.

So can I count on reg’s opposition to Obamimperialism?

]]> By: reg http://marccooper.com/sealing-reagans-tomb/#comment-599402 reg Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:29:54 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=1993#comment-599402 Frankly, given McCain's position in the polls, I was sort of surprised he didn't attempt to play some sort of "populist hero" card - which would have been more consistent with his desperate "Hail Mary" scenarios. That he didn't reinforces my notion of what a likley losing gamble opposing this thing head-on would have been for either of the Presidential candidates once the smoke cleared. All it would have take is about a week more of frozen credit and the "spoiler" would have been raked in the press as people shifted to a "Somebody Do Something" stance from their initial recoil at the $700 Billion tag. Frankly, given McCain’s position in the polls, I was sort of surprised he didn’t attempt to play some sort of “populist hero” card - which would have been more consistent with his desperate “Hail Mary” scenarios. That he didn’t reinforces my notion of what a likley losing gamble opposing this thing head-on would have been for either of the Presidential candidates once the smoke cleared. All it would have take is about a week more of frozen credit and the “spoiler” would have been raked in the press as people shifted to a “Somebody Do Something” stance from their initial recoil at the $700 Billion tag.

]]> By: reg http://marccooper.com/sealing-reagans-tomb/#comment-599401 reg Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:23:43 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=1993#comment-599401 What's your plan ? What should Obama have proposed as an alternative ? From what leadership position in the Senate could he have worked concretely to re-shape the bill and not just file a protest ? He laid out certain principles for his support, which were met tepidly at best. I believe the final test of this bailout will be who administers it, since as I understand it (and that's none too well, given the complexity) there are a bunch of things that are "options" which could be more positive than not (mortgage renegotiations, ways of taking equity, how hard "payback" is pursued if the companies begin to turn significant profits after the bailout. Unless the Democratic leadership was prepared to stand as one and re-shape Paulson's proposal even more significantly than they did, Obama wasn't in a position to lead that charge. I just don't think that's realistic. It's easy as hell to quarterback from the sidelines. He's trying to win a national election right now, and I don't think he could have reshaped this in midstream. What’s your plan ? What should Obama have proposed as an alternative ? From what leadership position in the Senate could he have worked concretely to re-shape the bill and not just file a protest ? He laid out certain principles for his support, which were met tepidly at best. I believe the final test of this bailout will be who administers it, since as I understand it (and that’s none too well, given the complexity) there are a bunch of things that are “options” which could be more positive than not (mortgage renegotiations, ways of taking equity, how hard “payback” is pursued if the companies begin to turn significant profits after the bailout. Unless the Democratic leadership was prepared to stand as one and re-shape Paulson’s proposal even more significantly than they did, Obama wasn’t in a position to lead that charge. I just don’t think that’s realistic. It’s easy as hell to quarterback from the sidelines. He’s trying to win a national election right now, and I don’t think he could have reshaped this in midstream.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/sealing-reagans-tomb/#comment-599398 Anna Churchill Mon, 06 Oct 2008 01:29:57 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=1993#comment-599398 Reg, you are at once idealistic and then you find an excuse for not demanding progressives take the bull by the horns ( or in this case the bear?) There are always these talking head rationales about why no one should ACT based on some mythical statistical rationale. If this had been the case throughout history we'd still be grooming each others fur and picking fleas off each other. I like you Reg, not trying to pick a fight. Just exasperated that there is always the point of view that says COMPRIMISE DONT ACT. Its been the Democrats death dance. Reg, you are at once idealistic and then you find an excuse for not demanding progressives take the bull by the horns ( or in this case the bear?)

There are always these talking head rationales about why no one should ACT based on some mythical statistical rationale.

If this had been the case throughout history we’d still be grooming each others fur and picking fleas off each other.

I like you Reg, not trying to pick a fight. Just exasperated that there is always the point of view that says COMPRIMISE DONT ACT.

Its been the Democrats death dance.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/sealing-reagans-tomb/#comment-599397 Anna Churchill Mon, 06 Oct 2008 01:23:10 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=1993#comment-599397 DC I posted the same sentiments of your first paragraph in another thread a few days back. No one human can take on the stupidity of the centuries, the world, the universe. Remedy: http://commongroundmag.com/2008/10/pinchbeck0810.html DC I posted the same sentiments of your first paragraph in another
thread a few days back.

No one human can take on the stupidity of the centuries, the world, the universe.

Remedy: http://commongroundmag.com/2008/10/pinchbeck0810.html

]]> By: reg http://marccooper.com/sealing-reagans-tomb/#comment-599394 reg Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:40:01 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=1993#comment-599394 Also the notion that the populist anger in reaction to initial news of the Paulson Plan was a groundshift in American politics doesn't cut it. Evidence of this is the rightwing demagoging this thing at least as effectively as any of the populist left. Actually, probably more so since they don't much care whether evidence is on their side - just blame it on the blacks and Barney Frank. I'm not saying that the Democratic party response wasn't disappointing overall, but I don't see how Obama could have gambled his entire campaign at this point on leading some "populist revolt" against a bailout. It would have, more likely than not, been a slow ball directly to McCain who would have ended up claiming he saved America from the Giant Meteor by doing "the unpopular thing." And on the morning after, following the humongous media massage, he would have moved ahead ten or more points in the polls. Also the notion that the populist anger in reaction to initial news of the Paulson Plan was a groundshift in American politics doesn’t cut it. Evidence of this is the rightwing demagoging this thing at least as effectively as any of the populist left. Actually, probably more so since they don’t much care whether evidence is on their side - just blame it on the blacks and Barney Frank. I’m not saying that the Democratic party response wasn’t disappointing overall, but I don’t see how Obama could have gambled his entire campaign at this point on leading some “populist revolt” against a bailout. It would have, more likely than not, been a slow ball directly to McCain who would have ended up claiming he saved America from the Giant Meteor by doing “the unpopular thing.” And on the morning after, following the humongous media massage, he would have moved ahead ten or more points in the polls.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/sealing-reagans-tomb/#comment-599392 Anna Churchill Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:31:30 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=1993#comment-599392 Woody, your mind is just a big zit. Woody, your mind is just a big zit.

]]> By: reg http://marccooper.com/sealing-reagans-tomb/#comment-599391 reg Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:31:15 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=1993#comment-599391 Fuck you Woody. You and your creepy crony accused me of being motivated by "Bush hatred", "derangement", etc. when I raised fundamental questions about his Iraq strategy that have since become conventional wisdom. You're a foul little weasel. Go to hell. Fuck you Woody. You and your creepy crony accused me of being motivated by “Bush hatred”, “derangement”, etc. when I raised fundamental questions about his Iraq strategy that have since become conventional wisdom.

You’re a foul little weasel. Go to hell.

]]> By: reg http://marccooper.com/sealing-reagans-tomb/#comment-599390 reg Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:29:54 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=1993#comment-599390 I'm sorry Sniper, but I'm not convinced there was a politically viable alternative to the bailout that Obama could have single-handedly shaped at this point. I'm also not convinced that it may not turn out to be something close to a wash financially for the taxpayers when all is said and done. Of course, neither am I convinced that it's going to get the economy back on track. But I AM convinced that an Obama administration overseeing this pigfuck will be significantly more beneficial than a GOP gang. I’m sorry Sniper, but I’m not convinced there was a politically viable alternative to the bailout that Obama could have single-handedly shaped at this point. I’m also not convinced that it may not turn out to be something close to a wash financially for the taxpayers when all is said and done. Of course, neither am I convinced that it’s going to get the economy back on track. But I AM convinced that an Obama administration overseeing this pigfuck will be significantly more beneficial than a GOP gang.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/sealing-reagans-tomb/#comment-599389 Anna Churchill Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:29:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=1993#comment-599389 woody wanks words: "you don’t value Vietnam sacrifices, " uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh eh? who are you...Vlad the Impaler? Wanna check your syntax there buddy? Nice blood thirsty right wing slip. In that sentence is the nut shell of your ideological ideas. There is nothing in your head but a holocaust of pathological oozings. woody wanks words:

“you don’t value Vietnam sacrifices, ”

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

eh?

who are you…Vlad the Impaler?

Wanna check your syntax there buddy? Nice blood thirsty right wing slip. In that sentence is the nut shell of your ideological ideas. There is nothing in your head but a holocaust of pathological oozings.

]]> By: Woody http://marccooper.com/sealing-reagans-tomb/#comment-599377 Woody Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:58:12 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=1993#comment-599377 "Hatefest," reg? It seems to me that it's you guys who have gone overboard for years with Bush and now Palin. Does raising concerns about Obama rise to the level of hate, just as you claim that it is also racist? How nice to be able to hide from accountability by screaming hate speech and racism. You guys are pathetic. “Hatefest,” reg? It seems to me that it’s you guys who have gone overboard for years with Bush and now Palin. Does raising concerns about Obama rise to the level of hate, just as you claim that it is also racist? How nice to be able to hide from accountability by screaming hate speech and racism.

You guys are pathetic.

]]> By: a booming voice http://marccooper.com/sealing-reagans-tomb/#comment-599375 a booming voice Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:35:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=1993#comment-599375 "Now, instead of running for office, he’s reduced to stumping." If god made assholes as big as the Milkyway Galaxy, woody would be it. “Now, instead of running for office, he’s reduced to stumping.”

If god made assholes as big as the Milkyway Galaxy, woody would be it.

]]> By: The_DC_Sniper http://marccooper.com/sealing-reagans-tomb/#comment-599374 The_DC_Sniper Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:37:54 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=1993#comment-599374 reg: "short of a significant shift on the ground of American politics" What do you call <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/25/business/25voices.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">this</a>? Leaving principles aside, political self-interest alone should have lead Obama to seize on such a bipartisan groundswell of public opinion. He spat in its face instead. This reminds me a bit of his vote for the FISA bill, a vote which didn't end up helping him politically either, except that, unlike the FISA bill, there was widespread outrage over the proposal. Barack Obama is a run-of-the-mill corporatist politician. There are two exceptional things about him, one he can claim credit for and one he can't: he's a good speaker and his rise to prominence comes at a time when the other side of the aisle is awash in some of the greatest incompetence and corruption ever seen in this nation. reg: “short of a significant shift on the ground of American politics”

What do you call this?
Leaving principles aside, political self-interest alone should have lead Obama to seize on such a bipartisan groundswell of public opinion. He spat in its face instead. This reminds me a bit of his vote for the FISA bill, a vote which didn’t end up helping him politically either, except that, unlike the FISA bill, there was widespread outrage over the proposal.

Barack Obama is a run-of-the-mill corporatist politician. There are two exceptional things about him, one he can claim credit for and one he can’t: he’s a good speaker and his rise to prominence comes at a time when the other side of the aisle is awash in some of the greatest incompetence and corruption ever seen in this nation.

]]> By: reg http://marccooper.com/sealing-reagans-tomb/#comment-599373 reg Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:06:11 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=1993#comment-599373 Also, literally, "dying breed", at least as a species whose numbers will be decisive. Incidentally, George Will - arguably one of the most elegant, philosophical, literate and historically-grounded of contemporary American conservatives - stooped to blame the mortgage crisis on government pandering to Negroes and like "unproductive" types on This Week earlier today. This reversion to original rightwing sins is appalling but, I guess, predictable in the current climate. Had I been watching the TV in "Elvis mode", Mr. Will's virtual head would have exploded after that comment and I'd be sendin' one of my lackeys down to Circuit City. Nobody, including Van den Heuvel, bonked him over the head for that one, as George steered the conversation along to other stuff. Also, literally, “dying breed”, at least as a species whose numbers will be decisive.

Incidentally, George Will - arguably one of the most elegant, philosophical, literate and historically-grounded of contemporary American conservatives - stooped to blame the mortgage crisis on government pandering to Negroes and like “unproductive” types on This Week earlier today. This reversion to original rightwing sins is appalling but, I guess, predictable in the current climate. Had I been watching the TV in “Elvis mode”, Mr. Will’s virtual head would have exploded after that comment and I’d be sendin’ one of my lackeys down to Circuit City. Nobody, including Van den Heuvel, bonked him over the head for that one, as George steered the conversation along to other stuff.

]]> By: reg http://marccooper.com/sealing-reagans-tomb/#comment-599372 reg Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:57:04 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=1993#comment-599372 Woody is, at best, completely irrelevant. At worst he's standing at the margins of a hatefest that is far more likely to consume itself than consume a significant segment of the country in coming months. That said, this little sideshow is going to get uglier and uglier before it flames out. I'm predicting that by 2016, the electoral map of the South will look very different than it does today, partly because these freaks are focused mostly on shit "average Americans" are no longer likely to obsess over when they pull the lever for political reps, or at least not through this particular dostorted lens. Woody is, at best, completely irrelevant. At worst he’s standing at the margins of a hatefest that is far more likely to consume itself than consume a significant segment of the country in coming months. That said, this little sideshow is going to get uglier and uglier before it flames out. I’m predicting that by 2016, the electoral map of the South will look very different than it does today, partly because these freaks are focused mostly on shit “average Americans” are no longer likely to obsess over when they pull the lever for political reps, or at least not through this particular dostorted lens.

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