Now, maybe I know as much as you guys on Marxism and Alinsky, because you haven’t showed me that you know more except to claim it with no other proof. That’s a somewhat dishonest argument.

This link is on topic.

Progressives’ Obama Buyer’s Remorse

Where did Holder say that interrogation methods could be harsher? Not once in the article you cite does he say that interrogation methods could be harsher. All he said was that interrogations would be limited under Geneva Conventions, which are limited to name rank and serial number.

Nowhere does he say that the interrogation methods could be harsher.

What do you expect when his source is the Biritish equivalent of David Horowitz?

There is no question whatever that Obama and his campaign are heavily influenced by the Alinsky organizing method. But that method, which focuses on identifying leaders in the community by getting people to organize around pretty much any issue that motivated them to come to a meeting. The method then provides ways to test the commitment of the emergent leaders.

In other words, the Alinsky method is totally content neutral, and has much in common with Amway or Herbalife, those icons of capitalism.

The ideology of a community organizer matters about as much as the ideology of your car mechanic. Of course that might matter to you, as leftists have cooties.

Or to put it another way: I’m seriously weary of social critics who reject math as a necessary prerequisite for understanding economic principles. I’m even more weary of social critics who ignore quantitative thinking as a necessary part of social thinking. What I read here is, to a considerable extent (but not all), simply the mirror image of Palin-speak. One clue is the over-generalization, in which anyone whose actions or words are found unacceptable is rejected for the crime of not being progressive enough, or not understanding the history of leftist thought well enough. I would suggest that the history of leftist thought is hard to understand because a lot of it is gibberish.

Marc points out the obvious, that an island dictatorship that doesn’t have elections, a free press, or honest trials isn’t something we should emulate, that a government that tortures and imprisons political opponents is to be rejected, and the fact that Cuba was opposed to many things the U.S. did (and which we rightly deplore) doesn’t mean that Cuban policies are defensible. The idea that “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” is at best a resort to the extreme needs of wartime (ie: as applied to Stalin), but shouldn’t be applied haphazardly.

“I think that if you are already worth tens of millions of dollars, and you are having to lay off workers, the least you can do is say, ‘I’m willing to make some sacrifice as well, because I recognize that there are people who are a lot less well off, who are going through some pretty tough times.’”

Consider this:

The seditious role of the community organiser was developed by an extreme left intellectual called Saul Alinsky. He was a radical Chicago activist who, by the time he died in 1972, had had a profound influence on the highest levels of the Democratic party. Alinsky was a ‘transformational Marxist’ in the mould of Antonio Gramsci, who promoted the strategy of a ‘long march through the institutions’ by capturing the culture and turning it inside out as the most effective means of overturning western society.

Obama was trained by the Alinsky-founded Industrial Areas Foundation (IAF) in Chicago and worked for an affiliate of the Gamaliel Foundation, whose modus operandi for the creation of ‘a more just and democratic society’ is rooted firmly in the Alinsky method. As The Nation magazine puts it, ‘Obama worked in the organizing tradition of Saul Alinsky, who made Chicago the birthplace of modern community organizing…’ In fact, for several years Obama himself taught workshops on the Alinsky method.

That doesn’t sound like Groucho to me, but you “Bet Your Life” on Obama–a Marxist.

You get off on people who blow shit up, eh Ahmed?

Ahmed you are living in an adolescent fantasy world.

Why don’t you discuss what YOU are doing that can directly affect the quality of life around you.

Obama’s job is not to fulfill your father fantasies.

Obama=Socialism.

Are you selling these on street corners now?

Not only am I married, Woody, but I have been married twice. And I am married to a jazz musician.

My ability to improvise intellectually and enjoy surreal riffs in order to bait closeted, racist twats like you was what made him fall in love with me.

Kisses.

Clearly, Obama believes in trickle-down economics.

Maybe Obama’s excuse is that this is a time we need a team in charge to treat trauma as opposed to transformation which we can get around to as a grand promise before 2012. I think Marc is like an ostrich burying his head in the sand or people who cover the ears because the truth hurts. Well don’t worry Marc, Nader will still take you back!