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		<description>Program on the emergence of civilization. 

"14 species of large animals capable of domesitcation in the history of mankind. 
13 from Europe, Asia and northern Africa.
None from the sub-Saharan African continent. " 
Favor. 
And disfavor. 

They point out Africansâ€™ failed attempts to domesticate the elephant and zebra, the latter being an animal they illustrate that had utmost importance for it's applicability in transformation from a hunting/gathering to agrarian-based civilization. 

The roots of racism are not of this earth. 

Austrailia, aboriginals:::No domesticable animals.

The North American continent had none.  Now 99% of that population is gone.

AIDS in Africa.


Organizational Heirarchy/Levels of positioning.
Heirarchical order, from top to bottom: 

1. MUCK - perhaps have experienced multiple universal contractions (have seen multiple big bangs), creator of the artificial intelligence humans ignorantly refer to as "god" 
2. Perhaps some mid-level alien management 
3. Evil/disfavored aliens - runs day-to-day operations here and perhaps elsewhere

Terrestrial management/positioning: 

4. Chinese/egyptians - this may be separated into the eastern and western worlds 
5. Romans - The seamless transition between Cleopatra and Julius Ceasar may be a clue alluding to a partnership.
6. Mafia - the real-world 20th century interface that constantly turns over generationally so as to reinforce the widely-held notion of mortality 
7. Jews, corporation, women, politician - Evidence exisits to suggest mafia management over all these groups. 


Movies foreshadowing catastrophy
1985 James Bond View to a Kill  1989 San Francisco Loma Prieta earthquake.


Our society gives clues to the system in place. We all have heard the saying "He has more money than god." There is also an episode of the Simpsons where god meets Homer and says "I'm too old and rich for this."

This is the system on earth because this is the system everywhere.

20 cent/hour Chinese labor, 50 cents for material.
An $80 sweater costs less than a dollar;  tribute kicked upstairs vindicates the creative accounting.

I don't want to suggest the upper eschelons are evil and good is the fringe.  But these individuals become wealthy exploiting those they hurt.

They have made it abundantly clear that doing business with evil (disfavored) won't help people. They say only good would have the ear, since evil is struggling for survival, and therefore only the favored could help.

The clues are there which companies are favored and which are disfavored, but they conceal it very hard because it is so crucial. 

I offer an example of historical proportions:::
 
People point to Walmart and cry "anti-union".
Unions enable disfavored people to live satisfactorly without addressing their disfavor. This way their family's problems are never resolved. Without the union they would have to accept the heirarchy, their own inferiority. 
Unions serve to empower.
Walmart is anti-union because they are good. They try to help people address and resolve their problems by creating an environment where there are fewer hurdles.  

Media ridicule and lawsuits are creations to reinforce people's belief that Walmart is evil in a subsegment of the indistry dominated by the middle and lower classes.
Low-cost disfavored Chinese labor is utilized by corporate america to maximize margins.  They all do it.  Only WalMart gets fingered because they are the ones who help, and those who seek to create confusion in the marketplace want to eliminate the vast middle class who have a real chance and instead stick with lower classes who may not work otherwise.  So they dirty him up while allowing the others to appear clean.

The middle class is being deceived.  They are being misled into the unfavored, and subsequently will have no assistance from their purchases with corporate america.

The coining of the term "Uncle Sam" was a clue alluding to just this::Sam Walton's WalMart is one of few saviors of the peasant class.

They desire a system based on duality:::good and evil. They seek to set up a system of two participants and assign them polar opposites:::
Coke and Pepsi 
BestBuy and CircutCity
Energizer and Duracell
Republican and Democrat
The list goes on and on:::
AMD and Intel
Apple and Microsoft (?)
Lowes and HomeDepot
Sam'sClub and Costco
WellsFargo and BofA.  For the longest time in CA these two banks reigned supreme.
Pier1 and CostPlus
Borders and Barnes&#38;Noble
PetCo and PetSmart


Amercia is a country of castoffs, rejects.  Italy sent its criminals, malcontents.
Between the thrones, the klans and kindred, they decided who they didn't want and acted, creating discontent and/or starvation.
The u.s. is full of disfavored rejects.  It is the reason for the myriad of problems not found in European countries.  As far as the Rockafellers and other industrialists of the 19th century go, I suspect these aren't their real names.  I suspect they were chosen to go and head this new empire.

Royalty is the correct way to organize a society.  Dictatorships and monarchies are a reflection of the antient's hierarchical organization.
Positions go to those who have favor with the rulers, as opposed to being elected.
Elections bring a false sense of how the world is.  Democracy misleads people.
Which is why the disfavored rejects were sent to the shores of America::To keep them on the wrong path.


Jewsus Christ is a religious figure of evil.  The Catholic Church in the tretcherous 20th century teaches of a begnign, forgiving god when quite the opposite is true.
The seperatist churches formed so they could capture the rest of the white people, keeping them worshipping the wrong god.
And now they do it to disfavored people of color, Latinos and Asians, after centuries of preying upon them.  

Since Buddism doesn't recongnize a god, the calls are never heard, and Asian representation is instead fully selected by the thrones.
Budda was the Asian's Jewsus Christ::: bad for the people.  It was a clue they both emerged at the same time.  Timing may be a clue alluding to ranking.

Simpson's foreshadowing::Helloween IV special, Flanders is Satan. "Last one you ever suspect."
"You'll see lots of nuns where you're going:::hell."  St. Wigham, Helloween VI:::missionary work, destroying cultures.
Over and over, the Simpsons was a source of education and enlightenment, a target of ridicule by the system which wishes to conceal its secrets.

The advent of the modern Christmas was a brilliant move.  It creates a vested interest among those who would prefer the Church of Evil be destroyed::::
As goes the Catholic Church so goes the majority of annual retail sales.
The similarity between the names "Santa" and "Satan" is no coincidence.

Jews maim the body formed in the image of "god", and inflicted circumcision upon all other white people.
I think about how Jews were used to create homosexuality among Slavics, supposedly retribution for the Holocaust.
Then I think of the Catholic Church and its troubles.
What connection is here between Jews and the Catholic church???
If it is their sinister motives thatâ€™s behind the evil that is Jesus Christ are they being used at all?
Perhaps it is them who are pulling strings.
Their centuries of slavery in Egypt proves their disfavor.  
For their suffering the Jew leaders were granted the right to prey on the up-and-coming Europeans to try to fix their problems with the ruling elite by imposing a false god upon white people, a recurring aspect of the elite's methodology.
Jews were ostracised for a reason.


Retribution for the atomic bombs dropped on Japan, the Korean War got the disfavored United States into this socially depraved environment in the latter 20th century because we attacked an antient, revered peoples.  Our continued presence keeps us in trouble. 
When the disfavored americans attack the wrong people again, as they suggested they will, in Korea or elsewhere, they will pay dearly.  


There are consequences for the peasant's resistance:::
1. Labor unrest caused the world at war.
2. Black militancy ignited the crack epidemic and gang-related deaths.
3. Women's rights/sexual freedom produced Roe v Wade and women's exclusion from contention for Planet Immortality.  But on the bright side peasants don't go.  Money is one way of indicating favor, and if you're not wealthy you don't have favor, so don't sweat it::you weren't going anyways.  "We're leading a lot of people on."


All peoples are ranked in terms of favor and disfavor. And when the disfavored abuse those with favor there is hell to pay.
All the groups mentioned throughout are necessary to justify the will of the managing species. They conceive a strategy, devise a plan yet need a way to implement it, and without these groups the managing species would be exposed in the course of execution. So, based upon their rank they are assigned goals to accomplish and are rewarded with favors.


I question if we would even experience global warming if they didn't terraform in an attempt to destroy disfavored human life on planet earth::::they terraform the weather as they did in New Orleans with Hurricane Katrina (and lots of other examples) and justify it with behavior like instructing their petroleum friends to repress alternative technologies.  
This is all happening shortly after the Exodus of 2000 (clues::Hong Kong, Panama Canal) for a reason::: they are INFLICTING it upon us, they are hastening closure.  Everybody they care about has come up, replaced by clones.  
Just as favored European peoples got out before the ugliness of WWII, the semi-favored within the US got out before 9/11.
Armeggedon isnâ€™t about the end of the world.  Armeggedon is about the death of the disfavored left behind.  And they werenâ€™t lying::this time it is going to happen with fire.</description>
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<p>&#8220;14 species of large animals capable of domesitcation in the history of mankind.<br />
13 from Europe, Asia and northern Africa.<br />
None from the sub-Saharan African continent. &#8221;<br />
Favor.<br />
And disfavor. </p>
<p>They point out Africansâ€™ failed attempts to domesticate the elephant and zebra, the latter being an animal they illustrate that had utmost importance for it&#8217;s applicability in transformation from a hunting/gathering to agrarian-based civilization. </p>
<p>The roots of racism are not of this earth. </p>
<p>Austrailia, aboriginals:::No domesticable animals.</p>
<p>The North American continent had none.  Now 99% of that population is gone.</p>
<p>AIDS in Africa.</p>
<p>Organizational Heirarchy/Levels of positioning.<br />
Heirarchical order, from top to bottom: </p>
<p>1. MUCK - perhaps have experienced multiple universal contractions (have seen multiple big bangs), creator of the artificial intelligence humans ignorantly refer to as &#8220;god&#8221;<br />
2. Perhaps some mid-level alien management<br />
3. Evil/disfavored aliens - runs day-to-day operations here and perhaps elsewhere</p>
<p>Terrestrial management/positioning: </p>
<p>4. Chinese/egyptians - this may be separated into the eastern and western worlds<br />
5. Romans - The seamless transition between Cleopatra and Julius Ceasar may be a clue alluding to a partnership.<br />
6. Mafia - the real-world 20th century interface that constantly turns over generationally so as to reinforce the widely-held notion of mortality<br />
7. Jews, corporation, women, politician - Evidence exisits to suggest mafia management over all these groups. </p>
<p>Movies foreshadowing catastrophy<br />
1985 James Bond View to a Kill  1989 San Francisco Loma Prieta earthquake.</p>
<p>Our society gives clues to the system in place. We all have heard the saying &#8220;He has more money than god.&#8221; There is also an episode of the Simpsons where god meets Homer and says &#8220;I&#8217;m too old and rich for this.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the system on earth because this is the system everywhere.</p>
<p>20 cent/hour Chinese labor, 50 cents for material.<br />
An $80 sweater costs less than a dollar;  tribute kicked upstairs vindicates the creative accounting.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to suggest the upper eschelons are evil and good is the fringe.  But these individuals become wealthy exploiting those they hurt.</p>
<p>They have made it abundantly clear that doing business with evil (disfavored) won&#8217;t help people. They say only good would have the ear, since evil is struggling for survival, and therefore only the favored could help.</p>
<p>The clues are there which companies are favored and which are disfavored, but they conceal it very hard because it is so crucial. </p>
<p>I offer an example of historical proportions:::</p>
<p>People point to Walmart and cry &#8220;anti-union&#8221;.<br />
Unions enable disfavored people to live satisfactorly without addressing their disfavor. This way their family&#8217;s problems are never resolved. Without the union they would have to accept the heirarchy, their own inferiority.<br />
Unions serve to empower.<br />
Walmart is anti-union because they are good. They try to help people address and resolve their problems by creating an environment where there are fewer hurdles.  </p>
<p>Media ridicule and lawsuits are creations to reinforce people&#8217;s belief that Walmart is evil in a subsegment of the indistry dominated by the middle and lower classes.<br />
Low-cost disfavored Chinese labor is utilized by corporate america to maximize margins.  They all do it.  Only WalMart gets fingered because they are the ones who help, and those who seek to create confusion in the marketplace want to eliminate the vast middle class who have a real chance and instead stick with lower classes who may not work otherwise.  So they dirty him up while allowing the others to appear clean.</p>
<p>The middle class is being deceived.  They are being misled into the unfavored, and subsequently will have no assistance from their purchases with corporate america.</p>
<p>The coining of the term &#8220;Uncle Sam&#8221; was a clue alluding to just this::Sam Walton&#8217;s WalMart is one of few saviors of the peasant class.</p>
<p>They desire a system based on duality:::good and evil. They seek to set up a system of two participants and assign them polar opposites:::<br />
Coke and Pepsi<br />
BestBuy and CircutCity<br />
Energizer and Duracell<br />
Republican and Democrat<br />
The list goes on and on:::<br />
AMD and Intel<br />
Apple and Microsoft (?)<br />
Lowes and HomeDepot<br />
Sam&#8217;sClub and Costco<br />
WellsFargo and BofA.  For the longest time in CA these two banks reigned supreme.<br />
Pier1 and CostPlus<br />
Borders and Barnes&amp;Noble<br />
PetCo and PetSmart</p>
<p>Amercia is a country of castoffs, rejects.  Italy sent its criminals, malcontents.<br />
Between the thrones, the klans and kindred, they decided who they didn&#8217;t want and acted, creating discontent and/or starvation.<br />
The u.s. is full of disfavored rejects.  It is the reason for the myriad of problems not found in European countries.  As far as the Rockafellers and other industrialists of the 19th century go, I suspect these aren&#8217;t their real names.  I suspect they were chosen to go and head this new empire.</p>
<p>Royalty is the correct way to organize a society.  Dictatorships and monarchies are a reflection of the antient&#8217;s hierarchical organization.<br />
Positions go to those who have favor with the rulers, as opposed to being elected.<br />
Elections bring a false sense of how the world is.  Democracy misleads people.<br />
Which is why the disfavored rejects were sent to the shores of America::To keep them on the wrong path.</p>
<p>Jewsus Christ is a religious figure of evil.  The Catholic Church in the tretcherous 20th century teaches of a begnign, forgiving god when quite the opposite is true.<br />
The seperatist churches formed so they could capture the rest of the white people, keeping them worshipping the wrong god.<br />
And now they do it to disfavored people of color, Latinos and Asians, after centuries of preying upon them.  </p>
<p>Since Buddism doesn&#8217;t recongnize a god, the calls are never heard, and Asian representation is instead fully selected by the thrones.<br />
Budda was the Asian&#8217;s Jewsus Christ::: bad for the people.  It was a clue they both emerged at the same time.  Timing may be a clue alluding to ranking.</p>
<p>Simpson&#8217;s foreshadowing::Helloween IV special, Flanders is Satan. &#8220;Last one you ever suspect.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;You&#8217;ll see lots of nuns where you&#8217;re going:::hell.&#8221;  St. Wigham, Helloween VI:::missionary work, destroying cultures.<br />
Over and over, the Simpsons was a source of education and enlightenment, a target of ridicule by the system which wishes to conceal its secrets.</p>
<p>The advent of the modern Christmas was a brilliant move.  It creates a vested interest among those who would prefer the Church of Evil be destroyed::::<br />
As goes the Catholic Church so goes the majority of annual retail sales.<br />
The similarity between the names &#8220;Santa&#8221; and &#8220;Satan&#8221; is no coincidence.</p>
<p>Jews maim the body formed in the image of &#8220;god&#8221;, and inflicted circumcision upon all other white people.<br />
I think about how Jews were used to create homosexuality among Slavics, supposedly retribution for the Holocaust.<br />
Then I think of the Catholic Church and its troubles.<br />
What connection is here between Jews and the Catholic church???<br />
If it is their sinister motives thatâ€™s behind the evil that is Jesus Christ are they being used at all?<br />
Perhaps it is them who are pulling strings.<br />
Their centuries of slavery in Egypt proves their disfavor.<br />
For their suffering the Jew leaders were granted the right to prey on the up-and-coming Europeans to try to fix their problems with the ruling elite by imposing a false god upon white people, a recurring aspect of the elite&#8217;s methodology.<br />
Jews were ostracised for a reason.</p>
<p>Retribution for the atomic bombs dropped on Japan, the Korean War got the disfavored United States into this socially depraved environment in the latter 20th century because we attacked an antient, revered peoples.  Our continued presence keeps us in trouble.<br />
When the disfavored americans attack the wrong people again, as they suggested they will, in Korea or elsewhere, they will pay dearly.  </p>
<p>There are consequences for the peasant&#8217;s resistance:::<br />
1. Labor unrest caused the world at war.<br />
2. Black militancy ignited the crack epidemic and gang-related deaths.<br />
3. Women&#8217;s rights/sexual freedom produced Roe v Wade and women&#8217;s exclusion from contention for Planet Immortality.  But on the bright side peasants don&#8217;t go.  Money is one way of indicating favor, and if you&#8217;re not wealthy you don&#8217;t have favor, so don&#8217;t sweat it::you weren&#8217;t going anyways.  &#8220;We&#8217;re leading a lot of people on.&#8221;</p>
<p>All peoples are ranked in terms of favor and disfavor. And when the disfavored abuse those with favor there is hell to pay.<br />
All the groups mentioned throughout are necessary to justify the will of the managing species. They conceive a strategy, devise a plan yet need a way to implement it, and without these groups the managing species would be exposed in the course of execution. So, based upon their rank they are assigned goals to accomplish and are rewarded with favors.</p>
<p>I question if we would even experience global warming if they didn&#8217;t terraform in an attempt to destroy disfavored human life on planet earth::::they terraform the weather as they did in New Orleans with Hurricane Katrina (and lots of other examples) and justify it with behavior like instructing their petroleum friends to repress alternative technologies.<br />
This is all happening shortly after the Exodus of 2000 (clues::Hong Kong, Panama Canal) for a reason::: they are INFLICTING it upon us, they are hastening closure.  Everybody they care about has come up, replaced by clones.<br />
Just as favored European peoples got out before the ugliness of WWII, the semi-favored within the US got out before 9/11.<br />
Armeggedon isnâ€™t about the end of the world.  Armeggedon is about the death of the disfavored left behind.  And they werenâ€™t lying::this time it is going to happen with fire.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Angier</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/some-summer-reading/#comment-15398</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Angier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Christopher H:  In my dealings with the anti-war left, I somehow missed the massive amounts of sympathy they have for Bin Laden's 'grievances' and the Iraqi 'insurgency.'  Take away Noam Chomsky, Arundhati Roy, Michael Moore, and a couple of others, I don't think you're left with much.  But it sure makes your argument easier, doesn't it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Christopher H:  In my dealings with the anti-war left, I somehow missed the massive amounts of sympathy they have for Bin Laden&#8217;s &#8216;grievances&#8217; and the Iraqi &#8216;insurgency.&#8217;  Take away Noam Chomsky, Arundhati Roy, Michael Moore, and a couple of others, I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re left with much.  But it sure makes your argument easier, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/some-summer-reading/#comment-15399</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When someone as allegedly erudite as Hitchens turns what could be valid criticisms of Michael Moore - a person I happen to find obnoxious and prone to half-truths and persistent overreaching - into the kind of garbage he spews above - "lying, fascist thug" - you know he's scraping close to the bottom of his barrel - or anyone's barrel for that matter. I'll pass on the interveiw because Hitchens is truly starting to bore me more often than he forces me to look at another side of the Iraq war issue or "the left" - when someone you don't agree with not only doesn't spark though but hardly even offends you anymore, why bother.  Also, one reason I don't take either Hitchens or Moore's political arguments terribly seriously and see them in some sense as evil twins is because of that pesky Nader 2000 thing.  Neither one of these guys is in what I would consider my political camp. More than serious social critics, they are ideological egomaniacs without portfolio and are more than welcome to piss on each others shoes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When someone as allegedly erudite as Hitchens turns what could be valid criticisms of Michael Moore - a person I happen to find obnoxious and prone to half-truths and persistent overreaching - into the kind of garbage he spews above - &#8220;lying, fascist thug&#8221; - you know he&#8217;s scraping close to the bottom of his barrel - or anyone&#8217;s barrel for that matter. I&#8217;ll pass on the interveiw because Hitchens is truly starting to bore me more often than he forces me to look at another side of the Iraq war issue or &#8220;the left&#8221; - when someone you don&#8217;t agree with not only doesn&#8217;t spark though but hardly even offends you anymore, why bother.  Also, one reason I don&#8217;t take either Hitchens or Moore&#8217;s political arguments terribly seriously and see them in some sense as evil twins is because of that pesky Nader 2000 thing.  Neither one of these guys is in what I would consider my political camp. More than serious social critics, they are ideological egomaniacs without portfolio and are more than welcome to piss on each others shoes.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/some-summer-reading/#comment-15400</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that was "spark thought"</description>
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		<title>By: Abbas-Ali Abadani</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/some-summer-reading/#comment-15401</link>
		<dc:creator>Abbas-Ali Abadani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could care less about Ward Churchill, but thanks for the link to the Hitchens interview, Marc. Unlike Ward, I think he's always going to remain an interesting figure.



I don't have the same respect for Hitchens that I used to, but it's still hard for me to "Satanize" him.



His recent Vanity Fair piece on Iran was quite good and, unlike almost all of the other proponents of this war, I don't believe that he wants us either wiped off the face of the earth or made into serfs on the great global plantation. His newfound ideological affinity for Thomas Friedman aside.





"I can tell you exactly when the breaking point came, actually. I was invited by Michael Moore to be his interviewer at the Telluride Film Festival for his awful, baggy, dishonest, boring movie, Bowling for Columbine. In that film, clips about the Kosovo war from Serbian television are used as objective. Moore implies that the bombing of Kosovo might have inspired the murderers in Columbine. You don't know where to start with someone as mentally lazy as this."



Bowling for Columbine was a shit movie and totally dishonest on so many levels. But I actually thought that bringing Kosovo into the picture and showing the effects of state-sanctioned ultraviolence (as well as drawing a cause-and-effect relationsthip with the "senseless tragedy" of Columbine) was perhaps its sole saving grace.



Kelbold and Harris *did* think that the war was really cool and tried to catch as much footage of what was going on (as extremely santizied and censored as it might have been) on CNN.



I know, I know. Where's my sources. I'll try to find something later.





"This is the statement of a flat-out brown shirt...He's a lying, fascist, thug."



It's this kind of hyperbolic, foam-flecked nonsense that made that "Unfahrenheit 9-11" thing so unreadable.



In any case I'll "read the whole thing" first chance I get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could care less about Ward Churchill, but thanks for the link to the Hitchens interview, Marc. Unlike Ward, I think he&#8217;s always going to remain an interesting figure.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have the same respect for Hitchens that I used to, but it&#8217;s still hard for me to &#8220;Satanize&#8221; him.</p>
<p>His recent Vanity Fair piece on Iran was quite good and, unlike almost all of the other proponents of this war, I don&#8217;t believe that he wants us either wiped off the face of the earth or made into serfs on the great global plantation. His newfound ideological affinity for Thomas Friedman aside.</p>
<p>&#8220;I can tell you exactly when the breaking point came, actually. I was invited by Michael Moore to be his interviewer at the Telluride Film Festival for his awful, baggy, dishonest, boring movie, Bowling for Columbine. In that film, clips about the Kosovo war from Serbian television are used as objective. Moore implies that the bombing of Kosovo might have inspired the murderers in Columbine. You don&#8217;t know where to start with someone as mentally lazy as this.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bowling for Columbine was a shit movie and totally dishonest on so many levels. But I actually thought that bringing Kosovo into the picture and showing the effects of state-sanctioned ultraviolence (as well as drawing a cause-and-effect relationsthip with the &#8220;senseless tragedy&#8221; of Columbine) was perhaps its sole saving grace.</p>
<p>Kelbold and Harris *did* think that the war was really cool and tried to catch as much footage of what was going on (as extremely santizied and censored as it might have been) on CNN.</p>
<p>I know, I know. Where&#8217;s my sources. I&#8217;ll try to find something later.</p>
<p>&#8220;This is the statement of a flat-out brown shirt&#8230;He&#8217;s a lying, fascist, thug.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s this kind of hyperbolic, foam-flecked nonsense that made that &#8220;Unfahrenheit 9-11&#8243; thing so unreadable.</p>
<p>In any case I&#8217;ll &#8220;read the whole thing&#8221; first chance I get.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidentally Marc, while I think he may well have done this somewhere else, the bit of Moore-bashing you printed above hardly qualifies as  "Hitch describing in piquant terms the turning point he had on the post 9-11 response to the Taliban". Unless you think the man is a complete idiot. Maybe you're right. Also when anybody refers to "my Marxist training" to make a point, and most especially a completely banal point - "things don't stay the same" - one wonders what planet they reside on. The better, ironic statement would been "I don't have to rely on my Marxist training to know things don't stay the same." That could have stated the obvious with a bit of humorous flair.  The statement "my Marxist training tells me" should be an embarrassment, assuming Hitchens still has the capacity for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally Marc, while I think he may well have done this somewhere else, the bit of Moore-bashing you printed above hardly qualifies as  &#8220;Hitch describing in piquant terms the turning point he had on the post 9-11 response to the Taliban&#8221;. Unless you think the man is a complete idiot. Maybe you&#8217;re right. Also when anybody refers to &#8220;my Marxist training&#8221; to make a point, and most especially a completely banal point - &#8220;things don&#8217;t stay the same&#8221; - one wonders what planet they reside on. The better, ironic statement would been &#8220;I don&#8217;t have to rely on my Marxist training to know things don&#8217;t stay the same.&#8221; That could have stated the obvious with a bit of humorous flair.  The statement &#8220;my Marxist training tells me&#8221; should be an embarrassment, assuming Hitchens still has the capacity for it.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/some-summer-reading/#comment-15403</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God, you're right. I'm wrong. He introduced that thing with "I can tell you exactly when the breaking point came."



Poor fellow...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God, you&#8217;re right. I&#8217;m wrong. He introduced that thing with &#8220;I can tell you exactly when the breaking point came.&#8221;</p>
<p>Poor fellow&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Vincent</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/some-summer-reading/#comment-15404</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over on Leo Casey's red-baiter listserv, where this latest hysteria about Ward Churchill cropped up, Michael Hirsch made some good points that probably sailed over the head of Marc Cooper, who hangs out there:



Churchill is no friend. Need I lay out the reasons on this list? Saying that, what do you see is wrong with what he's quoted saying this time? He wasn't advocating fragging; he wasn't saying stepped up fragging is a tactic that can end the war quicker. He was asking the audience what their attitude would be toward troops who engage in it, and why would they distinguish between conscientious objection and desperation? It's a fair question, along the lines of what is their attitude toward troops who follow orders and kill Iraqis. The Vietnam War ended in part because the US couldn't trust its own frontline troops. So, if mutinous conditions are indications that wars can''t be sustained, what Churchill said this time was not so eggregious.



That's unlike his Eichmann remark re:9-11, which was ignorant and lazy at best (and morally bankrupt at worst). There, Churchill blamed an entire class of people for the sins he wouldn't enumerate and ascribe to specific guilty individuals, if indeed any such existed at the WTC. He also suggested that the terrorists were deliverers of some rough justice, which is nonsense. In this case, he's not calling for "capping the captain" or praising chickens for coming home to roost. I read him as saying that an outcome and an indicator of a failed war strategy is that the troops start to mutiny, that it takes ugly forms, and we should have some small degree of sympathy for the desperation of the mutineers.



So, what do you say to the families of slain officers? I'd say "We're pained by your loss. Such a tragedy is irreparable. The culprit is the Bush administration, not some deranged kid thrown into harm's way. Let's be sure it never happens to anyone's else's child and destroys anyone else's family by ending US interventionism now."



A stopped watch is correct twice a day. Even Churchill gets it right sometime,



Mike H</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over on Leo Casey&#8217;s red-baiter listserv, where this latest hysteria about Ward Churchill cropped up, Michael Hirsch made some good points that probably sailed over the head of Marc Cooper, who hangs out there:</p>
<p>Churchill is no friend. Need I lay out the reasons on this list? Saying that, what do you see is wrong with what he&#8217;s quoted saying this time? He wasn&#8217;t advocating fragging; he wasn&#8217;t saying stepped up fragging is a tactic that can end the war quicker. He was asking the audience what their attitude would be toward troops who engage in it, and why would they distinguish between conscientious objection and desperation? It&#8217;s a fair question, along the lines of what is their attitude toward troops who follow orders and kill Iraqis. The Vietnam War ended in part because the US couldn&#8217;t trust its own frontline troops. So, if mutinous conditions are indications that wars can&#8221;t be sustained, what Churchill said this time was not so eggregious.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s unlike his Eichmann remark re:9-11, which was ignorant and lazy at best (and morally bankrupt at worst). There, Churchill blamed an entire class of people for the sins he wouldn&#8217;t enumerate and ascribe to specific guilty individuals, if indeed any such existed at the WTC. He also suggested that the terrorists were deliverers of some rough justice, which is nonsense. In this case, he&#8217;s not calling for &#8220;capping the captain&#8221; or praising chickens for coming home to roost. I read him as saying that an outcome and an indicator of a failed war strategy is that the troops start to mutiny, that it takes ugly forms, and we should have some small degree of sympathy for the desperation of the mutineers.</p>
<p>So, what do you say to the families of slain officers? I&#8217;d say &#8220;We&#8217;re pained by your loss. Such a tragedy is irreparable. The culprit is the Bush administration, not some deranged kid thrown into harm&#8217;s way. Let&#8217;s be sure it never happens to anyone&#8217;s else&#8217;s child and destroys anyone else&#8217;s family by ending US interventionism now.&#8221;</p>
<p>A stopped watch is correct twice a day. Even Churchill gets it right sometime,</p>
<p>Mike H</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy Kelly</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/some-summer-reading/#comment-15405</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommy Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ward Churchill, Christopher Hitchens, Michael Moore... Zzzzzz



Who really cares about their hyperbolic, self-opinionated rubbish?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ward Churchill, Christopher Hitchens, Michael Moore&#8230; Zzzzzz</p>
<p>Who really cares about their hyperbolic, self-opinionated rubbish?</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me Scott V, but I think that Churchill's followup response  regarding compassion for hypothetically fragged officers' families, "How do you feel about Adolf Eichman's family?" clears up any doubt as to his intent or that it was simply a question posed as some "thought experiment".  The guy's toxic...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me Scott V, but I think that Churchill&#8217;s followup response  regarding compassion for hypothetically fragged officers&#8217; families, &#8220;How do you feel about Adolf Eichman&#8217;s family?&#8221; clears up any doubt as to his intent or that it was simply a question posed as some &#8220;thought experiment&#8221;.  The guy&#8217;s toxic&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to apologize to the readers of this blog for posting 12 times a day recently. I have gone off my meds and am out of control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to apologize to the readers of this blog for posting 12 times a day recently. I have gone off my meds and am out of control.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On second thought, screw that. Check out this zogby poll:



&lt;a href="http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1007" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1007&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On second thought, screw that. Check out this zogby poll:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1007" rel="nofollow">http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1007</a></p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/some-summer-reading/#comment-15409</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, I'm a member of the liberal left and I haven't even seen Bowling for Columbine or Fahrenheit 911.



Do you think Hitchens could tell me where they have these meetings of the liberal left so that I can finally go to one and learn how every single one us moves in lockstep?



Lord knows, I've tried to get into them before. I've offered to bring the vegetable crudites, some of MÃ©rcia's excellent salgados and even some Gauloises (although I don't smoke). MÃ©rcia and I are even willing to silk screen some "Che" tee shirts and I think we can probably sew some berets, too.



Please tell me where these secret meetings are, Hitch. Pleeeeeeaaaaaaassssssseeeeee!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, I&#8217;m a member of the liberal left and I haven&#8217;t even seen Bowling for Columbine or Fahrenheit 911.</p>
<p>Do you think Hitchens could tell me where they have these meetings of the liberal left so that I can finally go to one and learn how every single one us moves in lockstep?</p>
<p>Lord knows, I&#8217;ve tried to get into them before. I&#8217;ve offered to bring the vegetable crudites, some of MÃ©rcia&#8217;s excellent salgados and even some Gauloises (although I don&#8217;t smoke). MÃ©rcia and I are even willing to silk screen some &#8220;Che&#8221; tee shirts and I think we can probably sew some berets, too.</p>
<p>Please tell me where these secret meetings are, Hitch. Pleeeeeeaaaaaaassssssseeeeee!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, Hitchens makes the following comment: "I mean, I don't think you'll get a snake-handler in Oklahoma to say he feels sorry for bin Laden and his grievances."



If he's referring to those who handle snakes in some of the, shall we say, unusual Christian sects, he should know that they are primarily located in Appalachia, principally parts of Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, Kentucky, Virginia and North Carolina. One of the congregations that has been doing it the longest is in Sand Mountain, Alabama, not far from where I used to live and where much of my family still lives.



One would think a writer such as Hitchens would get his stereotypes right.



BTW, I didn't get the proverbial rat's ass for bin Ladens' grievances, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, Hitchens makes the following comment: &#8220;I mean, I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ll get a snake-handler in Oklahoma to say he feels sorry for bin Laden and his grievances.&#8221;</p>
<p>If he&#8217;s referring to those who handle snakes in some of the, shall we say, unusual Christian sects, he should know that they are primarily located in Appalachia, principally parts of Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, Kentucky, Virginia and North Carolina. One of the congregations that has been doing it the longest is in Sand Mountain, Alabama, not far from where I used to live and where much of my family still lives.</p>
<p>One would think a writer such as Hitchens would get his stereotypes right.</p>
<p>BTW, I didn&#8217;t get the proverbial rat&#8217;s ass for bin Ladens&#8217; grievances, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Jenkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc,

     I'm going to start this post with something I generally think is irrelevant; auto-biograghical information.  (In general I think posts should stand or fall on their own; who cares who you are?  Sometimes, however, when you say things that are beyond the pale, it makes sense to let the world know that you are not normally a bomb thrower.)  I spent four years in the navy; I consider myself a patriot; I voted for the President; I support the war.  Nevertheless, I think that Churchill's point makes logical sense.  If you think that we are the bad guys in Iraq, if you believe that we are the equivalent of Nazi storm troopers, then you should believe that troops should kill their officers.  I'm not saying that anti-war liberals like you, Marc, should believe this; I'm pretty sure that you are against the war without believing that the Wahabists are the good guys.  But if I believed what Churchill believes, I would counsel American soldiers to kill their officers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc,</p>
<p>     I&#8217;m going to start this post with something I generally think is irrelevant; auto-biograghical information.  (In general I think posts should stand or fall on their own; who cares who you are?  Sometimes, however, when you say things that are beyond the pale, it makes sense to let the world know that you are not normally a bomb thrower.)  I spent four years in the navy; I consider myself a patriot; I voted for the President; I support the war.  Nevertheless, I think that Churchill&#8217;s point makes logical sense.  If you think that we are the bad guys in Iraq, if you believe that we are the equivalent of Nazi storm troopers, then you should believe that troops should kill their officers.  I&#8217;m not saying that anti-war liberals like you, Marc, should believe this; I&#8217;m pretty sure that you are against the war without believing that the Wahabists are the good guys.  But if I believed what Churchill believes, I would counsel American soldiers to kill their officers.</p>
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		<title>By: jim hitchcock</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/some-summer-reading/#comment-15412</link>
		<dc:creator>jim hitchcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, the next secret meeting is scheduled to be held during the Burning Man Festival...just head toward the large cluster of motor homes andlook for the latte drinkers.



The only two provisos are you must be prepared to view Reg dance nekkid and...no singing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, the next secret meeting is scheduled to be held during the Burning Man Festival&#8230;just head toward the large cluster of motor homes andlook for the latte drinkers.</p>
<p>The only two provisos are you must be prepared to view Reg dance nekkid and&#8230;no singing!</p>
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