Comments on: Strange and Stranger http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/ Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:55:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610107 passing through Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:10:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610107 Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful. Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful.

]]> By: Mavis Beacon http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610063 Mavis Beacon Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:16:41 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610063 This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn't say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he's right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he's promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It's not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities - we can and should recognize both. This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn’t say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he’s right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he’s promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It’s not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities – we can and should recognize both.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610025 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:54:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610025 Dan...a man immolated himself...and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara's window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one. But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily. Dan…a man immolated himself…and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara’s window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one.

But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610024 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:49:30 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610024 Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man. Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man.

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610021 Sergio Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:17:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610021 Errol Morris was masterful in <i>Gates of Heaven </i> and <i>The Thin Blue Line.</i> Errol Morris was masterful in Gates of Heaven and The Thin Blue Line.

]]> By: Dan O http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610020 Dan O Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:38:40 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610020 Whatever the quality of Errol Morris's questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara's honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn't go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since. Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable. Whatever the quality of Errol Morris’s questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara’s honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn’t go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since.

Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610018 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:08:07 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610018 Great piece you posted, Ahmed. Great piece you posted, Ahmed.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610016 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:45:12 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610016 Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610015 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:13:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610015 Alexander, in his top 1980's form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html "In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon. Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved." Alexander, in his top 1980′s form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html

“In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon.

Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved.”

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610014 Sergio Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:41:52 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610014 Zinn and I go way back. I'm a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother. Zinn and I go way back. I’m a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother.

]]> By: GM Hoakster http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610013 GM Hoakster Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:31:16 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610013 Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed. Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter. Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed.

Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610010 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:25:23 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610010 This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah's "banality of evil" This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance

ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah’s “banality of evil”

]]> By: Samuel http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610009 Samuel Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:18:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610009 <i>"Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard."</i> Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John's political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant. If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument. “Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.”

Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John’s political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant.

If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument.

]]> By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610008 passing through Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:04:49 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610008 <i>to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed</i> Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard. to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed

Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610007 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:46:33 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610007 PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that...at least not to a stranger and public figure! And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election. PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that…at least not to a stranger and public figure!

And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610006 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:45:08 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610006 hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming . ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go-- mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5--then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming .

ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go– mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5–then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610005 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:35:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610005 By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha's Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend's house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown. By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha’s Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend’s house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610004 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:32:11 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610004 Actually, its just a completely stupid statement. Actually, its just a completely stupid statement.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610003 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:31:24 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610003 And out of all I write...how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse? Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too. And out of all I write…how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse?

Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/ Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:55:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 Comments on: Strange and Stranger http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/ Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:55:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610107 passing through Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:10:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610107 Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful. Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful.

]]> By: Mavis Beacon http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610063 Mavis Beacon Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:16:41 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610063 This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn't say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he's right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he's promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It's not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities - we can and should recognize both. This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn’t say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he’s right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he’s promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It’s not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities – we can and should recognize both.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610025 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:54:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610025 Dan...a man immolated himself...and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara's window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one. But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily. Dan…a man immolated himself…and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara’s window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one.

But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610024 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:49:30 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610024 Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man. Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man.

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610021 Sergio Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:17:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610021 Errol Morris was masterful in <i>Gates of Heaven </i> and <i>The Thin Blue Line.</i> Errol Morris was masterful in Gates of Heaven and The Thin Blue Line.

]]> By: Dan O http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610020 Dan O Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:38:40 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610020 Whatever the quality of Errol Morris's questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara's honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn't go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since. Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable. Whatever the quality of Errol Morris’s questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara’s honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn’t go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since.

Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610018 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:08:07 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610018 Great piece you posted, Ahmed. Great piece you posted, Ahmed.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610016 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:45:12 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610016 Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610015 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:13:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610015 Alexander, in his top 1980's form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html "In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon. Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved." Alexander, in his top 1980′s form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html

“In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon.

Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved.”

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610014 Sergio Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:41:52 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610014 Zinn and I go way back. I'm a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother. Zinn and I go way back. I’m a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother.

]]> By: GM Hoakster http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610013 GM Hoakster Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:31:16 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610013 Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed. Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter. Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed.

Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610010 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:25:23 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610010 This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah's "banality of evil" This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance

ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah’s “banality of evil”

]]> By: Samuel http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610009 Samuel Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:18:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610009 <i>"Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard."</i> Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John's political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant. If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument. “Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.”

Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John’s political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant.

If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument.

]]> By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610008 passing through Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:04:49 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610008 <i>to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed</i> Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard. to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed

Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610007 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:46:33 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610007 PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that...at least not to a stranger and public figure! And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election. PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that…at least not to a stranger and public figure!

And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610006 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:45:08 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610006 hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming . ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go-- mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5--then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming .

ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go– mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5–then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610005 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:35:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610005 By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha's Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend's house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown. By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha’s Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend’s house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610004 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:32:11 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610004 Actually, its just a completely stupid statement. Actually, its just a completely stupid statement.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610003 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:31:24 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610003 And out of all I write...how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse? Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too. And out of all I write…how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse?

Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610107 passing through Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:10:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610107 Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful. Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful.

]]> Comments on: Strange and Stranger http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/ Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:55:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610107 passing through Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:10:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610107 Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful. Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful.

]]> By: Mavis Beacon http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610063 Mavis Beacon Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:16:41 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610063 This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn't say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he's right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he's promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It's not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities - we can and should recognize both. This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn’t say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he’s right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he’s promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It’s not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities – we can and should recognize both.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610025 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:54:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610025 Dan...a man immolated himself...and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara's window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one. But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily. Dan…a man immolated himself…and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara’s window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one.

But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610024 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:49:30 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610024 Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man. Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man.

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610021 Sergio Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:17:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610021 Errol Morris was masterful in <i>Gates of Heaven </i> and <i>The Thin Blue Line.</i> Errol Morris was masterful in Gates of Heaven and The Thin Blue Line.

]]> By: Dan O http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610020 Dan O Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:38:40 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610020 Whatever the quality of Errol Morris's questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara's honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn't go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since. Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable. Whatever the quality of Errol Morris’s questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara’s honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn’t go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since.

Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610018 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:08:07 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610018 Great piece you posted, Ahmed. Great piece you posted, Ahmed.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610016 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:45:12 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610016 Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610015 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:13:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610015 Alexander, in his top 1980's form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html "In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon. Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved." Alexander, in his top 1980′s form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html

“In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon.

Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved.”

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610014 Sergio Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:41:52 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610014 Zinn and I go way back. I'm a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother. Zinn and I go way back. I’m a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother.

]]> By: GM Hoakster http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610013 GM Hoakster Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:31:16 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610013 Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed. Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter. Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed.

Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610010 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:25:23 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610010 This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah's "banality of evil" This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance

ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah’s “banality of evil”

]]> By: Samuel http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610009 Samuel Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:18:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610009 <i>"Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard."</i> Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John's political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant. If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument. “Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.”

Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John’s political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant.

If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument.

]]> By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610008 passing through Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:04:49 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610008 <i>to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed</i> Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard. to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed

Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610007 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:46:33 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610007 PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that...at least not to a stranger and public figure! And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election. PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that…at least not to a stranger and public figure!

And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610006 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:45:08 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610006 hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming . ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go-- mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5--then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming .

ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go– mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5–then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610005 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:35:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610005 By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha's Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend's house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown. By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha’s Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend’s house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610004 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:32:11 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610004 Actually, its just a completely stupid statement. Actually, its just a completely stupid statement.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610003 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:31:24 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610003 And out of all I write...how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse? Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too. And out of all I write…how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse?

Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610063 Mavis Beacon Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:16:41 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610063 This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn't say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he's right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he's promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It's not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities - we can and should recognize both. This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn’t say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he’s right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he’s promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It’s not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities – we can and should recognize both.

]]> Comments on: Strange and Stranger http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/ Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:55:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610107 passing through Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:10:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610107 Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful. Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful.

]]> By: Mavis Beacon http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610063 Mavis Beacon Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:16:41 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610063 This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn't say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he's right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he's promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It's not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities - we can and should recognize both. This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn’t say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he’s right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he’s promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It’s not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities – we can and should recognize both.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610025 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:54:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610025 Dan...a man immolated himself...and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara's window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one. But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily. Dan…a man immolated himself…and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara’s window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one.

But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610024 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:49:30 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610024 Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man. Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man.

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610021 Sergio Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:17:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610021 Errol Morris was masterful in <i>Gates of Heaven </i> and <i>The Thin Blue Line.</i> Errol Morris was masterful in Gates of Heaven and The Thin Blue Line.

]]> By: Dan O http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610020 Dan O Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:38:40 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610020 Whatever the quality of Errol Morris's questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara's honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn't go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since. Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable. Whatever the quality of Errol Morris’s questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara’s honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn’t go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since.

Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610018 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:08:07 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610018 Great piece you posted, Ahmed. Great piece you posted, Ahmed.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610016 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:45:12 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610016 Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610015 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:13:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610015 Alexander, in his top 1980's form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html "In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon. Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved." Alexander, in his top 1980′s form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html

“In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon.

Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved.”

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610014 Sergio Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:41:52 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610014 Zinn and I go way back. I'm a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother. Zinn and I go way back. I’m a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother.

]]> By: GM Hoakster http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610013 GM Hoakster Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:31:16 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610013 Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed. Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter. Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed.

Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610010 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:25:23 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610010 This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah's "banality of evil" This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance

ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah’s “banality of evil”

]]> By: Samuel http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610009 Samuel Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:18:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610009 <i>"Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard."</i> Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John's political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant. If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument. “Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.”

Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John’s political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant.

If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument.

]]> By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610008 passing through Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:04:49 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610008 <i>to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed</i> Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard. to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed

Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610007 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:46:33 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610007 PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that...at least not to a stranger and public figure! And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election. PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that…at least not to a stranger and public figure!

And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610006 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:45:08 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610006 hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming . ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go-- mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5--then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming .

ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go– mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5–then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610005 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:35:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610005 By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha's Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend's house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown. By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha’s Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend’s house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610004 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:32:11 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610004 Actually, its just a completely stupid statement. Actually, its just a completely stupid statement.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610003 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:31:24 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610003 And out of all I write...how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse? Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too. And out of all I write…how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse?

Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610025 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:54:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610025 Dan...a man immolated himself...and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara's window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one. But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily. Dan…a man immolated himself…and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara’s window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one.

But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily.

]]> Comments on: Strange and Stranger http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/ Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:55:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610107 passing through Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:10:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610107 Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful. Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful.

]]> By: Mavis Beacon http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610063 Mavis Beacon Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:16:41 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610063 This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn't say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he's right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he's promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It's not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities - we can and should recognize both. This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn’t say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he’s right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he’s promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It’s not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities – we can and should recognize both.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610025 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:54:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610025 Dan...a man immolated himself...and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara's window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one. But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily. Dan…a man immolated himself…and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara’s window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one.

But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610024 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:49:30 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610024 Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man. Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man.

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610021 Sergio Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:17:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610021 Errol Morris was masterful in <i>Gates of Heaven </i> and <i>The Thin Blue Line.</i> Errol Morris was masterful in Gates of Heaven and The Thin Blue Line.

]]> By: Dan O http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610020 Dan O Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:38:40 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610020 Whatever the quality of Errol Morris's questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara's honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn't go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since. Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable. Whatever the quality of Errol Morris’s questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara’s honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn’t go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since.

Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610018 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:08:07 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610018 Great piece you posted, Ahmed. Great piece you posted, Ahmed.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610016 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:45:12 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610016 Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610015 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:13:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610015 Alexander, in his top 1980's form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html "In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon. Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved." Alexander, in his top 1980′s form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html

“In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon.

Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved.”

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610014 Sergio Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:41:52 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610014 Zinn and I go way back. I'm a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother. Zinn and I go way back. I’m a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother.

]]> By: GM Hoakster http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610013 GM Hoakster Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:31:16 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610013 Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed. Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter. Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed.

Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610010 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:25:23 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610010 This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah's "banality of evil" This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance

ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah’s “banality of evil”

]]> By: Samuel http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610009 Samuel Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:18:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610009 <i>"Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard."</i> Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John's political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant. If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument. “Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.”

Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John’s political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant.

If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument.

]]> By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610008 passing through Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:04:49 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610008 <i>to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed</i> Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard. to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed

Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610007 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:46:33 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610007 PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that...at least not to a stranger and public figure! And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election. PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that…at least not to a stranger and public figure!

And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610006 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:45:08 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610006 hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming . ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go-- mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5--then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming .

ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go– mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5–then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610005 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:35:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610005 By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha's Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend's house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown. By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha’s Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend’s house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610004 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:32:11 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610004 Actually, its just a completely stupid statement. Actually, its just a completely stupid statement.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610003 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:31:24 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610003 And out of all I write...how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse? Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too. And out of all I write…how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse?

Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610024 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:49:30 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610024 Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man. Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man.

]]> Comments on: Strange and Stranger http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/ Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:55:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610107 passing through Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:10:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610107 Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful. Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful.

]]> By: Mavis Beacon http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610063 Mavis Beacon Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:16:41 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610063 This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn't say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he's right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he's promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It's not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities - we can and should recognize both. This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn’t say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he’s right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he’s promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It’s not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities – we can and should recognize both.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610025 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:54:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610025 Dan...a man immolated himself...and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara's window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one. But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily. Dan…a man immolated himself…and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara’s window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one.

But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610024 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:49:30 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610024 Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man. Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man.

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610021 Sergio Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:17:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610021 Errol Morris was masterful in <i>Gates of Heaven </i> and <i>The Thin Blue Line.</i> Errol Morris was masterful in Gates of Heaven and The Thin Blue Line.

]]> By: Dan O http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610020 Dan O Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:38:40 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610020 Whatever the quality of Errol Morris's questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara's honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn't go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since. Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable. Whatever the quality of Errol Morris’s questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara’s honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn’t go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since.

Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610018 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:08:07 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610018 Great piece you posted, Ahmed. Great piece you posted, Ahmed.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610016 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:45:12 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610016 Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610015 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:13:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610015 Alexander, in his top 1980's form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html "In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon. Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved." Alexander, in his top 1980′s form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html

“In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon.

Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved.”

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610014 Sergio Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:41:52 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610014 Zinn and I go way back. I'm a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother. Zinn and I go way back. I’m a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother.

]]> By: GM Hoakster http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610013 GM Hoakster Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:31:16 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610013 Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed. Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter. Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed.

Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610010 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:25:23 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610010 This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah's "banality of evil" This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance

ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah’s “banality of evil”

]]> By: Samuel http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610009 Samuel Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:18:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610009 <i>"Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard."</i> Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John's political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant. If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument. “Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.”

Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John’s political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant.

If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument.

]]> By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610008 passing through Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:04:49 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610008 <i>to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed</i> Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard. to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed

Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610007 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:46:33 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610007 PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that...at least not to a stranger and public figure! And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election. PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that…at least not to a stranger and public figure!

And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610006 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:45:08 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610006 hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming . ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go-- mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5--then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming .

ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go– mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5–then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610005 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:35:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610005 By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha's Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend's house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown. By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha’s Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend’s house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610004 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:32:11 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610004 Actually, its just a completely stupid statement. Actually, its just a completely stupid statement.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610003 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:31:24 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610003 And out of all I write...how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse? Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too. And out of all I write…how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse?

Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610021 Sergio Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:17:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610021 Errol Morris was masterful in <i>Gates of Heaven </i> and <i>The Thin Blue Line.</i> Errol Morris was masterful in Gates of Heaven and The Thin Blue Line.

]]> Comments on: Strange and Stranger http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/ Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:55:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610107 passing through Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:10:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610107 Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful. Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful.

]]> By: Mavis Beacon http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610063 Mavis Beacon Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:16:41 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610063 This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn't say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he's right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he's promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It's not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities - we can and should recognize both. This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn’t say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he’s right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he’s promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It’s not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities – we can and should recognize both.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610025 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:54:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610025 Dan...a man immolated himself...and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara's window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one. But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily. Dan…a man immolated himself…and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara’s window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one.

But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610024 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:49:30 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610024 Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man. Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man.

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610021 Sergio Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:17:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610021 Errol Morris was masterful in <i>Gates of Heaven </i> and <i>The Thin Blue Line.</i> Errol Morris was masterful in Gates of Heaven and The Thin Blue Line.

]]> By: Dan O http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610020 Dan O Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:38:40 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610020 Whatever the quality of Errol Morris's questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara's honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn't go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since. Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable. Whatever the quality of Errol Morris’s questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara’s honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn’t go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since.

Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610018 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:08:07 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610018 Great piece you posted, Ahmed. Great piece you posted, Ahmed.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610016 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:45:12 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610016 Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610015 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:13:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610015 Alexander, in his top 1980's form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html "In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon. Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved." Alexander, in his top 1980′s form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html

“In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon.

Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved.”

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610014 Sergio Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:41:52 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610014 Zinn and I go way back. I'm a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother. Zinn and I go way back. I’m a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother.

]]> By: GM Hoakster http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610013 GM Hoakster Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:31:16 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610013 Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed. Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter. Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed.

Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610010 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:25:23 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610010 This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah's "banality of evil" This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance

ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah’s “banality of evil”

]]> By: Samuel http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610009 Samuel Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:18:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610009 <i>"Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard."</i> Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John's political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant. If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument. “Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.”

Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John’s political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant.

If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument.

]]> By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610008 passing through Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:04:49 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610008 <i>to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed</i> Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard. to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed

Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610007 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:46:33 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610007 PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that...at least not to a stranger and public figure! And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election. PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that…at least not to a stranger and public figure!

And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610006 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:45:08 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610006 hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming . ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go-- mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5--then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming .

ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go– mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5–then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610005 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:35:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610005 By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha's Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend's house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown. By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha’s Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend’s house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610004 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:32:11 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610004 Actually, its just a completely stupid statement. Actually, its just a completely stupid statement.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610003 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:31:24 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610003 And out of all I write...how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse? Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too. And out of all I write…how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse?

Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610020 Dan O Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:38:40 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610020 Whatever the quality of Errol Morris's questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara's honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn't go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since. Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable. Whatever the quality of Errol Morris’s questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara’s honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn’t go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since.

Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable.

]]> Comments on: Strange and Stranger http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/ Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:55:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610107 passing through Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:10:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610107 Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful. Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful.

]]> By: Mavis Beacon http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610063 Mavis Beacon Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:16:41 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610063 This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn't say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he's right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he's promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It's not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities - we can and should recognize both. This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn’t say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he’s right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he’s promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It’s not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities – we can and should recognize both.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610025 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:54:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610025 Dan...a man immolated himself...and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara's window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one. But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily. Dan…a man immolated himself…and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara’s window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one.

But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610024 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:49:30 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610024 Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man. Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man.

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610021 Sergio Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:17:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610021 Errol Morris was masterful in <i>Gates of Heaven </i> and <i>The Thin Blue Line.</i> Errol Morris was masterful in Gates of Heaven and The Thin Blue Line.

]]> By: Dan O http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610020 Dan O Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:38:40 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610020 Whatever the quality of Errol Morris's questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara's honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn't go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since. Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable. Whatever the quality of Errol Morris’s questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara’s honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn’t go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since.

Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610018 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:08:07 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610018 Great piece you posted, Ahmed. Great piece you posted, Ahmed.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610016 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:45:12 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610016 Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610015 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:13:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610015 Alexander, in his top 1980's form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html "In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon. Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved." Alexander, in his top 1980′s form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html

“In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon.

Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved.”

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610014 Sergio Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:41:52 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610014 Zinn and I go way back. I'm a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother. Zinn and I go way back. I’m a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother.

]]> By: GM Hoakster http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610013 GM Hoakster Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:31:16 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610013 Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed. Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter. Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed.

Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610010 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:25:23 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610010 This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah's "banality of evil" This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance

ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah’s “banality of evil”

]]> By: Samuel http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610009 Samuel Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:18:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610009 <i>"Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard."</i> Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John's political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant. If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument. “Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.”

Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John’s political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant.

If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument.

]]> By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610008 passing through Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:04:49 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610008 <i>to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed</i> Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard. to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed

Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610007 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:46:33 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610007 PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that...at least not to a stranger and public figure! And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election. PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that…at least not to a stranger and public figure!

And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610006 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:45:08 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610006 hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming . ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go-- mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5--then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming .

ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go– mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5–then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610005 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:35:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610005 By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha's Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend's house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown. By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha’s Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend’s house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610004 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:32:11 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610004 Actually, its just a completely stupid statement. Actually, its just a completely stupid statement.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610003 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:31:24 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610003 And out of all I write...how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse? Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too. And out of all I write…how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse?

Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610018 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:08:07 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610018 Great piece you posted, Ahmed. Great piece you posted, Ahmed.

]]> Comments on: Strange and Stranger http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/ Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:55:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610107 passing through Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:10:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610107 Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful. Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful.

]]> By: Mavis Beacon http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610063 Mavis Beacon Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:16:41 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610063 This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn't say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he's right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he's promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It's not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities - we can and should recognize both. This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn’t say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he’s right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he’s promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It’s not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities – we can and should recognize both.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610025 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:54:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610025 Dan...a man immolated himself...and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara's window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one. But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily. Dan…a man immolated himself…and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara’s window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one.

But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610024 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:49:30 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610024 Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man. Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man.

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610021 Sergio Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:17:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610021 Errol Morris was masterful in <i>Gates of Heaven </i> and <i>The Thin Blue Line.</i> Errol Morris was masterful in Gates of Heaven and The Thin Blue Line.

]]> By: Dan O http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610020 Dan O Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:38:40 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610020 Whatever the quality of Errol Morris's questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara's honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn't go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since. Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable. Whatever the quality of Errol Morris’s questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara’s honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn’t go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since.

Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610018 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:08:07 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610018 Great piece you posted, Ahmed. Great piece you posted, Ahmed.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610016 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:45:12 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610016 Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610015 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:13:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610015 Alexander, in his top 1980's form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html "In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon. Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved." Alexander, in his top 1980′s form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html

“In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon.

Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved.”

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610014 Sergio Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:41:52 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610014 Zinn and I go way back. I'm a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother. Zinn and I go way back. I’m a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother.

]]> By: GM Hoakster http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610013 GM Hoakster Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:31:16 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610013 Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed. Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter. Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed.

Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610010 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:25:23 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610010 This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah's "banality of evil" This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance

ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah’s “banality of evil”

]]> By: Samuel http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610009 Samuel Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:18:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610009 <i>"Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard."</i> Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John's political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant. If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument. “Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.”

Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John’s political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant.

If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument.

]]> By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610008 passing through Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:04:49 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610008 <i>to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed</i> Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard. to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed

Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610007 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:46:33 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610007 PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that...at least not to a stranger and public figure! And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election. PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that…at least not to a stranger and public figure!

And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610006 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:45:08 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610006 hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming . ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go-- mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5--then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming .

ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go– mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5–then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610005 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:35:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610005 By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha's Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend's house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown. By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha’s Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend’s house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610004 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:32:11 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610004 Actually, its just a completely stupid statement. Actually, its just a completely stupid statement.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610003 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:31:24 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610003 And out of all I write...how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse? Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too. And out of all I write…how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse?

Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610016 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:45:12 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610016 Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing

]]> Comments on: Strange and Stranger http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/ Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:55:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610107 passing through Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:10:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610107 Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful. Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful.

]]> By: Mavis Beacon http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610063 Mavis Beacon Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:16:41 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610063 This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn't say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he's right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he's promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It's not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities - we can and should recognize both. This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn’t say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he’s right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he’s promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It’s not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities – we can and should recognize both.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610025 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:54:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610025 Dan...a man immolated himself...and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara's window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one. But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily. Dan…a man immolated himself…and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara’s window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one.

But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610024 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:49:30 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610024 Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man. Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man.

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610021 Sergio Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:17:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610021 Errol Morris was masterful in <i>Gates of Heaven </i> and <i>The Thin Blue Line.</i> Errol Morris was masterful in Gates of Heaven and The Thin Blue Line.

]]> By: Dan O http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610020 Dan O Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:38:40 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610020 Whatever the quality of Errol Morris's questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara's honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn't go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since. Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable. Whatever the quality of Errol Morris’s questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara’s honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn’t go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since.

Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610018 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:08:07 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610018 Great piece you posted, Ahmed. Great piece you posted, Ahmed.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610016 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:45:12 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610016 Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610015 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:13:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610015 Alexander, in his top 1980's form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html "In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon. Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved." Alexander, in his top 1980′s form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html

“In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon.

Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved.”

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610014 Sergio Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:41:52 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610014 Zinn and I go way back. I'm a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother. Zinn and I go way back. I’m a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother.

]]> By: GM Hoakster http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610013 GM Hoakster Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:31:16 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610013 Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed. Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter. Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed.

Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610010 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:25:23 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610010 This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah's "banality of evil" This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance

ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah’s “banality of evil”

]]> By: Samuel http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610009 Samuel Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:18:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610009 <i>"Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard."</i> Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John's political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant. If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument. “Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.”

Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John’s political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant.

If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument.

]]> By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610008 passing through Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:04:49 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610008 <i>to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed</i> Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard. to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed

Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610007 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:46:33 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610007 PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that...at least not to a stranger and public figure! And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election. PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that…at least not to a stranger and public figure!

And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610006 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:45:08 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610006 hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming . ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go-- mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5--then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming .

ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go– mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5–then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610005 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:35:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610005 By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha's Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend's house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown. By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha’s Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend’s house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610004 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:32:11 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610004 Actually, its just a completely stupid statement. Actually, its just a completely stupid statement.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610003 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:31:24 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610003 And out of all I write...how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse? Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too. And out of all I write…how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse?

Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610015 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:13:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610015 Alexander, in his top 1980's form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html "In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon. Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved." Alexander, in his top 1980′s form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html

“In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon.

Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved.”

]]> Comments on: Strange and Stranger http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/ Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:55:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610107 passing through Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:10:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610107 Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful. Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful.

]]> By: Mavis Beacon http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610063 Mavis Beacon Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:16:41 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610063 This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn't say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he's right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he's promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It's not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities - we can and should recognize both. This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn’t say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he’s right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he’s promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It’s not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities – we can and should recognize both.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610025 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:54:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610025 Dan...a man immolated himself...and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara's window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one. But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily. Dan…a man immolated himself…and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara’s window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one.

But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610024 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:49:30 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610024 Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man. Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man.

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610021 Sergio Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:17:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610021 Errol Morris was masterful in <i>Gates of Heaven </i> and <i>The Thin Blue Line.</i> Errol Morris was masterful in Gates of Heaven and The Thin Blue Line.

]]> By: Dan O http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610020 Dan O Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:38:40 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610020 Whatever the quality of Errol Morris's questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara's honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn't go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since. Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable. Whatever the quality of Errol Morris’s questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara’s honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn’t go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since.

Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610018 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:08:07 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610018 Great piece you posted, Ahmed. Great piece you posted, Ahmed.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610016 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:45:12 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610016 Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610015 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:13:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610015 Alexander, in his top 1980's form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html "In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon. Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved." Alexander, in his top 1980′s form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html

“In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon.

Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved.”

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610014 Sergio Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:41:52 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610014 Zinn and I go way back. I'm a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother. Zinn and I go way back. I’m a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother.

]]> By: GM Hoakster http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610013 GM Hoakster Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:31:16 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610013 Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed. Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter. Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed.

Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610010 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:25:23 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610010 This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah's "banality of evil" This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance

ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah’s “banality of evil”

]]> By: Samuel http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610009 Samuel Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:18:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610009 <i>"Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard."</i> Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John's political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant. If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument. “Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.”

Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John’s political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant.

If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument.

]]> By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610008 passing through Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:04:49 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610008 <i>to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed</i> Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard. to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed

Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610007 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:46:33 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610007 PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that...at least not to a stranger and public figure! And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election. PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that…at least not to a stranger and public figure!

And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610006 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:45:08 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610006 hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming . ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go-- mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5--then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming .

ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go– mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5–then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610005 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:35:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610005 By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha's Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend's house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown. By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha’s Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend’s house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610004 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:32:11 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610004 Actually, its just a completely stupid statement. Actually, its just a completely stupid statement.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610003 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:31:24 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610003 And out of all I write...how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse? Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too. And out of all I write…how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse?

Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610014 Sergio Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:41:52 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610014 Zinn and I go way back. I'm a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother. Zinn and I go way back. I’m a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother.

]]> Comments on: Strange and Stranger http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/ Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:55:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610107 passing through Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:10:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610107 Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful. Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful.

]]> By: Mavis Beacon http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610063 Mavis Beacon Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:16:41 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610063 This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn't say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he's right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he's promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It's not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities - we can and should recognize both. This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn’t say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he’s right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he’s promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It’s not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities – we can and should recognize both.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610025 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:54:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610025 Dan...a man immolated himself...and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara's window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one. But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily. Dan…a man immolated himself…and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara’s window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one.

But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610024 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:49:30 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610024 Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man. Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man.

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610021 Sergio Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:17:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610021 Errol Morris was masterful in <i>Gates of Heaven </i> and <i>The Thin Blue Line.</i> Errol Morris was masterful in Gates of Heaven and The Thin Blue Line.

]]> By: Dan O http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610020 Dan O Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:38:40 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610020 Whatever the quality of Errol Morris's questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara's honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn't go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since. Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable. Whatever the quality of Errol Morris’s questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara’s honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn’t go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since.

Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610018 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:08:07 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610018 Great piece you posted, Ahmed. Great piece you posted, Ahmed.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610016 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:45:12 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610016 Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610015 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:13:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610015 Alexander, in his top 1980's form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html "In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon. Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved." Alexander, in his top 1980′s form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html

“In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon.

Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved.”

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610014 Sergio Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:41:52 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610014 Zinn and I go way back. I'm a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother. Zinn and I go way back. I’m a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother.

]]> By: GM Hoakster http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610013 GM Hoakster Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:31:16 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610013 Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed. Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter. Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed.

Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610010 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:25:23 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610010 This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah's "banality of evil" This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance

ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah’s “banality of evil”

]]> By: Samuel http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610009 Samuel Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:18:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610009 <i>"Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard."</i> Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John's political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant. If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument. “Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.”

Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John’s political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant.

If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument.

]]> By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610008 passing through Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:04:49 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610008 <i>to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed</i> Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard. to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed

Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610007 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:46:33 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610007 PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that...at least not to a stranger and public figure! And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election. PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that…at least not to a stranger and public figure!

And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610006 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:45:08 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610006 hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming . ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go-- mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5--then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming .

ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go– mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5–then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610005 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:35:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610005 By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha's Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend's house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown. By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha’s Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend’s house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610004 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:32:11 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610004 Actually, its just a completely stupid statement. Actually, its just a completely stupid statement.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610003 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:31:24 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610003 And out of all I write...how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse? Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too. And out of all I write…how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse?

Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610013 GM Hoakster Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:31:16 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610013 Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed. Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter. Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed.

Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter.

]]> Comments on: Strange and Stranger http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/ Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:55:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610107 passing through Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:10:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610107 Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful. Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful.

]]> By: Mavis Beacon http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610063 Mavis Beacon Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:16:41 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610063 This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn't say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he's right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he's promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It's not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities - we can and should recognize both. This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn’t say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he’s right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he’s promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It’s not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities – we can and should recognize both.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610025 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:54:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610025 Dan...a man immolated himself...and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara's window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one. But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily. Dan…a man immolated himself…and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara’s window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one.

But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610024 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:49:30 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610024 Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man. Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man.

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610021 Sergio Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:17:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610021 Errol Morris was masterful in <i>Gates of Heaven </i> and <i>The Thin Blue Line.</i> Errol Morris was masterful in Gates of Heaven and The Thin Blue Line.

]]> By: Dan O http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610020 Dan O Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:38:40 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610020 Whatever the quality of Errol Morris's questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara's honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn't go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since. Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable. Whatever the quality of Errol Morris’s questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara’s honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn’t go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since.

Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610018 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:08:07 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610018 Great piece you posted, Ahmed. Great piece you posted, Ahmed.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610016 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:45:12 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610016 Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610015 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:13:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610015 Alexander, in his top 1980's form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html "In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon. Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved." Alexander, in his top 1980′s form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html

“In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon.

Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved.”

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610014 Sergio Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:41:52 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610014 Zinn and I go way back. I'm a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother. Zinn and I go way back. I’m a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother.

]]> By: GM Hoakster http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610013 GM Hoakster Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:31:16 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610013 Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed. Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter. Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed.

Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610010 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:25:23 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610010 This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah's "banality of evil" This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance

ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah’s “banality of evil”

]]> By: Samuel http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610009 Samuel Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:18:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610009 <i>"Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard."</i> Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John's political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant. If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument. “Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.”

Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John’s political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant.

If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument.

]]> By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610008 passing through Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:04:49 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610008 <i>to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed</i> Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard. to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed

Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610007 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:46:33 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610007 PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that...at least not to a stranger and public figure! And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election. PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that…at least not to a stranger and public figure!

And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610006 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:45:08 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610006 hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming . ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go-- mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5--then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming .

ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go– mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5–then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610005 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:35:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610005 By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha's Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend's house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown. By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha’s Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend’s house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610004 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:32:11 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610004 Actually, its just a completely stupid statement. Actually, its just a completely stupid statement.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610003 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:31:24 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610003 And out of all I write...how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse? Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too. And out of all I write…how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse?

Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610010 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:25:23 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610010 This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah's "banality of evil" This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance

ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah’s “banality of evil”

]]> Comments on: Strange and Stranger http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/ Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:55:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610107 passing through Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:10:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610107 Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful. Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful.

]]> By: Mavis Beacon http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610063 Mavis Beacon Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:16:41 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610063 This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn't say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he's right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he's promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It's not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities - we can and should recognize both. This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn’t say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he’s right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he’s promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It’s not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities – we can and should recognize both.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610025 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:54:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610025 Dan...a man immolated himself...and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara's window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one. But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily. Dan…a man immolated himself…and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara’s window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one.

But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610024 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:49:30 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610024 Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man. Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man.

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610021 Sergio Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:17:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610021 Errol Morris was masterful in <i>Gates of Heaven </i> and <i>The Thin Blue Line.</i> Errol Morris was masterful in Gates of Heaven and The Thin Blue Line.

]]> By: Dan O http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610020 Dan O Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:38:40 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610020 Whatever the quality of Errol Morris's questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara's honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn't go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since. Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable. Whatever the quality of Errol Morris’s questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara’s honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn’t go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since.

Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610018 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:08:07 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610018 Great piece you posted, Ahmed. Great piece you posted, Ahmed.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610016 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:45:12 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610016 Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610015 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:13:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610015 Alexander, in his top 1980's form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html "In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon. Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved." Alexander, in his top 1980′s form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html

“In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon.

Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved.”

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610014 Sergio Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:41:52 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610014 Zinn and I go way back. I'm a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother. Zinn and I go way back. I’m a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother.

]]> By: GM Hoakster http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610013 GM Hoakster Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:31:16 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610013 Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed. Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter. Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed.

Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610010 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:25:23 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610010 This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah's "banality of evil" This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance

ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah’s “banality of evil”

]]> By: Samuel http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610009 Samuel Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:18:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610009 <i>"Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard."</i> Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John's political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant. If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument. “Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.”

Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John’s political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant.

If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument.

]]> By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610008 passing through Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:04:49 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610008 <i>to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed</i> Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard. to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed

Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610007 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:46:33 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610007 PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that...at least not to a stranger and public figure! And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election. PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that…at least not to a stranger and public figure!

And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610006 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:45:08 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610006 hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming . ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go-- mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5--then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming .

ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go– mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5–then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610005 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:35:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610005 By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha's Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend's house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown. By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha’s Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend’s house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610004 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:32:11 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610004 Actually, its just a completely stupid statement. Actually, its just a completely stupid statement.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610003 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:31:24 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610003 And out of all I write...how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse? Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too. And out of all I write…how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse?

Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610009 Samuel Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:18:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610009 <i>"Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard."</i> Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John's political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant. If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument. “Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.”

Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John’s political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant.

If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument.

]]> Comments on: Strange and Stranger http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/ Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:55:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610107 passing through Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:10:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610107 Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful. Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful.

]]> By: Mavis Beacon http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610063 Mavis Beacon Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:16:41 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610063 This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn't say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he's right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he's promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It's not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities - we can and should recognize both. This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn’t say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he’s right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he’s promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It’s not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities – we can and should recognize both.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610025 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:54:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610025 Dan...a man immolated himself...and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara's window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one. But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily. Dan…a man immolated himself…and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara’s window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one.

But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610024 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:49:30 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610024 Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man. Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man.

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610021 Sergio Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:17:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610021 Errol Morris was masterful in <i>Gates of Heaven </i> and <i>The Thin Blue Line.</i> Errol Morris was masterful in Gates of Heaven and The Thin Blue Line.

]]> By: Dan O http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610020 Dan O Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:38:40 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610020 Whatever the quality of Errol Morris's questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara's honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn't go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since. Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable. Whatever the quality of Errol Morris’s questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara’s honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn’t go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since.

Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610018 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:08:07 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610018 Great piece you posted, Ahmed. Great piece you posted, Ahmed.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610016 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:45:12 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610016 Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610015 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:13:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610015 Alexander, in his top 1980's form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html "In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon. Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved." Alexander, in his top 1980′s form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html

“In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon.

Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved.”

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610014 Sergio Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:41:52 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610014 Zinn and I go way back. I'm a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother. Zinn and I go way back. I’m a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother.

]]> By: GM Hoakster http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610013 GM Hoakster Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:31:16 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610013 Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed. Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter. Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed.

Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610010 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:25:23 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610010 This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah's "banality of evil" This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance

ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah’s “banality of evil”

]]> By: Samuel http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610009 Samuel Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:18:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610009 <i>"Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard."</i> Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John's political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant. If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument. “Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.”

Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John’s political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant.

If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument.

]]> By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610008 passing through Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:04:49 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610008 <i>to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed</i> Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard. to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed

Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610007 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:46:33 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610007 PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that...at least not to a stranger and public figure! And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election. PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that…at least not to a stranger and public figure!

And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610006 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:45:08 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610006 hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming . ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go-- mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5--then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming .

ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go– mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5–then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610005 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:35:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610005 By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha's Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend's house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown. By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha’s Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend’s house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610004 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:32:11 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610004 Actually, its just a completely stupid statement. Actually, its just a completely stupid statement.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610003 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:31:24 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610003 And out of all I write...how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse? Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too. And out of all I write…how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse?

Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610008 passing through Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:04:49 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610008 <i>to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed</i> Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard. to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed

Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.

]]> Comments on: Strange and Stranger http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/ Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:55:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610107 passing through Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:10:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610107 Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful. Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful.

]]> By: Mavis Beacon http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610063 Mavis Beacon Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:16:41 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610063 This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn't say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he's right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he's promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It's not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities - we can and should recognize both. This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn’t say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he’s right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he’s promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It’s not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities – we can and should recognize both.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610025 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:54:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610025 Dan...a man immolated himself...and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara's window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one. But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily. Dan…a man immolated himself…and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara’s window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one.

But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610024 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:49:30 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610024 Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man. Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man.

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610021 Sergio Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:17:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610021 Errol Morris was masterful in <i>Gates of Heaven </i> and <i>The Thin Blue Line.</i> Errol Morris was masterful in Gates of Heaven and The Thin Blue Line.

]]> By: Dan O http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610020 Dan O Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:38:40 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610020 Whatever the quality of Errol Morris's questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara's honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn't go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since. Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable. Whatever the quality of Errol Morris’s questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara’s honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn’t go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since.

Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610018 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:08:07 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610018 Great piece you posted, Ahmed. Great piece you posted, Ahmed.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610016 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:45:12 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610016 Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610015 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:13:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610015 Alexander, in his top 1980's form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html "In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon. Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved." Alexander, in his top 1980′s form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html

“In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon.

Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved.”

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610014 Sergio Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:41:52 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610014 Zinn and I go way back. I'm a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother. Zinn and I go way back. I’m a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother.

]]> By: GM Hoakster http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610013 GM Hoakster Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:31:16 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610013 Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed. Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter. Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed.

Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610010 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:25:23 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610010 This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah's "banality of evil" This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance

ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah’s “banality of evil”

]]> By: Samuel http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610009 Samuel Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:18:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610009 <i>"Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard."</i> Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John's political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant. If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument. “Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.”

Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John’s political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant.

If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument.

]]> By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610008 passing through Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:04:49 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610008 <i>to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed</i> Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard. to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed

Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610007 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:46:33 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610007 PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that...at least not to a stranger and public figure! And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election. PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that…at least not to a stranger and public figure!

And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610006 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:45:08 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610006 hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming . ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go-- mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5--then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming .

ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go– mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5–then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610005 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:35:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610005 By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha's Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend's house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown. By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha’s Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend’s house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610004 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:32:11 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610004 Actually, its just a completely stupid statement. Actually, its just a completely stupid statement.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610003 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:31:24 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610003 And out of all I write...how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse? Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too. And out of all I write…how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse?

Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610007 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:46:33 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610007 PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that...at least not to a stranger and public figure! And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election. PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that…at least not to a stranger and public figure!

And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election.

]]> Comments on: Strange and Stranger http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/ Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:55:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610107 passing through Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:10:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610107 Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful. Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful.

]]> By: Mavis Beacon http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610063 Mavis Beacon Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:16:41 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610063 This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn't say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he's right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he's promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It's not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities - we can and should recognize both. This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn’t say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he’s right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he’s promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It’s not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities – we can and should recognize both.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610025 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:54:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610025 Dan...a man immolated himself...and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara's window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one. But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily. Dan…a man immolated himself…and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara’s window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one.

But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610024 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:49:30 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610024 Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man. Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man.

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610021 Sergio Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:17:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610021 Errol Morris was masterful in <i>Gates of Heaven </i> and <i>The Thin Blue Line.</i> Errol Morris was masterful in Gates of Heaven and The Thin Blue Line.

]]> By: Dan O http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610020 Dan O Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:38:40 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610020 Whatever the quality of Errol Morris's questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara's honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn't go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since. Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable. Whatever the quality of Errol Morris’s questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara’s honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn’t go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since.

Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610018 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:08:07 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610018 Great piece you posted, Ahmed. Great piece you posted, Ahmed.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610016 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:45:12 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610016 Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610015 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:13:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610015 Alexander, in his top 1980's form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html "In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon. Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved." Alexander, in his top 1980′s form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html

“In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon.

Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved.”

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610014 Sergio Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:41:52 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610014 Zinn and I go way back. I'm a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother. Zinn and I go way back. I’m a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother.

]]> By: GM Hoakster http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610013 GM Hoakster Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:31:16 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610013 Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed. Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter. Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed.

Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610010 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:25:23 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610010 This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah's "banality of evil" This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance

ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah’s “banality of evil”

]]> By: Samuel http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610009 Samuel Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:18:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610009 <i>"Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard."</i> Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John's political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant. If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument. “Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.”

Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John’s political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant.

If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument.

]]> By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610008 passing through Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:04:49 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610008 <i>to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed</i> Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard. to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed

Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610007 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:46:33 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610007 PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that...at least not to a stranger and public figure! And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election. PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that…at least not to a stranger and public figure!

And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610006 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:45:08 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610006 hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming . ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go-- mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5--then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming .

ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go– mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5–then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610005 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:35:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610005 By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha's Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend's house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown. By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha’s Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend’s house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610004 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:32:11 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610004 Actually, its just a completely stupid statement. Actually, its just a completely stupid statement.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610003 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:31:24 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610003 And out of all I write...how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse? Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too. And out of all I write…how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse?

Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610006 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:45:08 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610006 hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming . ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go-- mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5--then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming .

ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go– mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5–then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer

]]> Comments on: Strange and Stranger http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/ Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:55:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610107 passing through Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:10:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610107 Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful. Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful.

]]> By: Mavis Beacon http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610063 Mavis Beacon Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:16:41 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610063 This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn't say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he's right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he's promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It's not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities - we can and should recognize both. This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn’t say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he’s right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he’s promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It’s not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities – we can and should recognize both.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610025 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:54:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610025 Dan...a man immolated himself...and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara's window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one. But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily. Dan…a man immolated himself…and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara’s window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one.

But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610024 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:49:30 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610024 Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man. Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man.

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610021 Sergio Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:17:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610021 Errol Morris was masterful in <i>Gates of Heaven </i> and <i>The Thin Blue Line.</i> Errol Morris was masterful in Gates of Heaven and The Thin Blue Line.

]]> By: Dan O http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610020 Dan O Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:38:40 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610020 Whatever the quality of Errol Morris's questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara's honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn't go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since. Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable. Whatever the quality of Errol Morris’s questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara’s honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn’t go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since.

Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610018 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:08:07 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610018 Great piece you posted, Ahmed. Great piece you posted, Ahmed.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610016 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:45:12 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610016 Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610015 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:13:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610015 Alexander, in his top 1980's form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html "In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon. Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved." Alexander, in his top 1980′s form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html

“In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon.

Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved.”

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610014 Sergio Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:41:52 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610014 Zinn and I go way back. I'm a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother. Zinn and I go way back. I’m a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother.

]]> By: GM Hoakster http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610013 GM Hoakster Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:31:16 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610013 Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed. Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter. Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed.

Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610010 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:25:23 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610010 This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah's "banality of evil" This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance

ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah’s “banality of evil”

]]> By: Samuel http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610009 Samuel Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:18:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610009 <i>"Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard."</i> Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John's political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant. If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument. “Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.”

Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John’s political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant.

If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument.

]]> By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610008 passing through Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:04:49 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610008 <i>to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed</i> Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard. to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed

Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610007 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:46:33 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610007 PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that...at least not to a stranger and public figure! And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election. PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that…at least not to a stranger and public figure!

And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610006 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:45:08 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610006 hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming . ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go-- mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5--then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming .

ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go– mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5–then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610005 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:35:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610005 By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha's Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend's house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown. By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha’s Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend’s house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610004 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:32:11 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610004 Actually, its just a completely stupid statement. Actually, its just a completely stupid statement.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610003 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:31:24 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610003 And out of all I write...how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse? Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too. And out of all I write…how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse?

Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610005 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:35:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610005 By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha's Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend's house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown. By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha’s Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend’s house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown.

]]> Comments on: Strange and Stranger http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/ Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:55:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610107 passing through Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:10:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610107 Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful. Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful.

]]> By: Mavis Beacon http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610063 Mavis Beacon Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:16:41 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610063 This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn't say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he's right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he's promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It's not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities - we can and should recognize both. This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn’t say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he’s right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he’s promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It’s not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities – we can and should recognize both.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610025 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:54:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610025 Dan...a man immolated himself...and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara's window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one. But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily. Dan…a man immolated himself…and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara’s window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one.

But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610024 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:49:30 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610024 Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man. Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man.

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610021 Sergio Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:17:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610021 Errol Morris was masterful in <i>Gates of Heaven </i> and <i>The Thin Blue Line.</i> Errol Morris was masterful in Gates of Heaven and The Thin Blue Line.

]]> By: Dan O http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610020 Dan O Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:38:40 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610020 Whatever the quality of Errol Morris's questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara's honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn't go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since. Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable. Whatever the quality of Errol Morris’s questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara’s honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn’t go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since.

Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610018 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:08:07 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610018 Great piece you posted, Ahmed. Great piece you posted, Ahmed.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610016 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:45:12 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610016 Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610015 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:13:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610015 Alexander, in his top 1980's form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html "In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon. Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved." Alexander, in his top 1980′s form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html

“In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon.

Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved.”

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610014 Sergio Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:41:52 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610014 Zinn and I go way back. I'm a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother. Zinn and I go way back. I’m a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother.

]]> By: GM Hoakster http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610013 GM Hoakster Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:31:16 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610013 Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed. Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter. Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed.

Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610010 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:25:23 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610010 This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah's "banality of evil" This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance

ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah’s “banality of evil”

]]> By: Samuel http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610009 Samuel Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:18:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610009 <i>"Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard."</i> Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John's political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant. If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument. “Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.”

Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John’s political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant.

If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument.

]]> By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610008 passing through Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:04:49 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610008 <i>to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed</i> Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard. to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed

Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610007 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:46:33 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610007 PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that...at least not to a stranger and public figure! And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election. PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that…at least not to a stranger and public figure!

And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610006 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:45:08 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610006 hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming . ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go-- mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5--then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming .

ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go– mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5–then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610005 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:35:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610005 By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha's Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend's house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown. By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha’s Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend’s house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610004 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:32:11 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610004 Actually, its just a completely stupid statement. Actually, its just a completely stupid statement.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610003 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:31:24 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610003 And out of all I write...how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse? Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too. And out of all I write…how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse?

Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610004 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:32:11 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610004 Actually, its just a completely stupid statement. Actually, its just a completely stupid statement.

]]> Comments on: Strange and Stranger http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/ Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:55:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610107 passing through Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:10:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610107 Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful. Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful.

]]> By: Mavis Beacon http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610063 Mavis Beacon Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:16:41 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610063 This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn't say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he's right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he's promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It's not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities - we can and should recognize both. This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn’t say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he’s right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he’s promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It’s not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities – we can and should recognize both.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610025 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:54:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610025 Dan...a man immolated himself...and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara's window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one. But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily. Dan…a man immolated himself…and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara’s window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one.

But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610024 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:49:30 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610024 Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man. Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man.

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610021 Sergio Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:17:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610021 Errol Morris was masterful in <i>Gates of Heaven </i> and <i>The Thin Blue Line.</i> Errol Morris was masterful in Gates of Heaven and The Thin Blue Line.

]]> By: Dan O http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610020 Dan O Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:38:40 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610020 Whatever the quality of Errol Morris's questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara's honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn't go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since. Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable. Whatever the quality of Errol Morris’s questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara’s honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn’t go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since.

Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610018 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:08:07 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610018 Great piece you posted, Ahmed. Great piece you posted, Ahmed.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610016 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:45:12 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610016 Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610015 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:13:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610015 Alexander, in his top 1980's form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html "In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon. Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved." Alexander, in his top 1980′s form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html

“In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon.

Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved.”

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610014 Sergio Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:41:52 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610014 Zinn and I go way back. I'm a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother. Zinn and I go way back. I’m a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother.

]]> By: GM Hoakster http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610013 GM Hoakster Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:31:16 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610013 Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed. Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter. Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed.

Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610010 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:25:23 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610010 This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah's "banality of evil" This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance

ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah’s “banality of evil”

]]> By: Samuel http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610009 Samuel Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:18:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610009 <i>"Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard."</i> Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John's political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant. If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument. “Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.”

Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John’s political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant.

If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument.

]]> By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610008 passing through Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:04:49 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610008 <i>to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed</i> Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard. to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed

Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610007 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:46:33 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610007 PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that...at least not to a stranger and public figure! And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election. PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that…at least not to a stranger and public figure!

And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610006 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:45:08 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610006 hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming . ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go-- mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5--then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming .

ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go– mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5–then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610005 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:35:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610005 By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha's Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend's house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown. By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha’s Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend’s house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610004 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:32:11 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610004 Actually, its just a completely stupid statement. Actually, its just a completely stupid statement.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610003 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:31:24 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610003 And out of all I write...how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse? Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too. And out of all I write…how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse?

Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610003 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:31:24 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610003 And out of all I write...how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse? Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too. And out of all I write…how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse?

Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too.

]]> Comments on: Strange and Stranger http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/ Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:55:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610107 passing through Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:10:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610107 Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful. Dan O is, as almost always, mature, level headed, and insightful.

]]> By: Mavis Beacon http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610063 Mavis Beacon Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:16:41 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610063 This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn't say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he's right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he's promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It's not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities - we can and should recognize both. This is what I mean by morally obtuse, Anna. Dan didn’t say he wanted to live a life honoring the great works of Robert MacNamera. He said that in his later years, the man demonstrated more honesty and remorse than he remembers seeing in a public official. And he thought that was commendable. And he’s right. That IS commendable. But you treat Dan like he’s promoting the firebombing of Vietnamese villages. Things are not all in black and white. It’s not just good guys versus bad guys. Sometimes, people who have done terrible things exhibit other exemplary qualities – we can and should recognize both.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610025 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:54:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610025 Dan...a man immolated himself...and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara's window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one. But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily. Dan…a man immolated himself…and nearly his small child outside of MacNamara’s window. His wife was destroyed. Only someone pathologically twisted would not have run screaming out of his office and retching violently and resigning his post after item number one.

But then whats a little collateral damage, eh. You are bought off very easily.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610024 Anna Churchill Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:49:30 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610024 Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man. Dan O. Re read Ahmeds post and follow the Counterpunch link. Cockburn nails the incongruity and perversity of the times and the man.

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610021 Sergio Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:17:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610021 Errol Morris was masterful in <i>Gates of Heaven </i> and <i>The Thin Blue Line.</i> Errol Morris was masterful in Gates of Heaven and The Thin Blue Line.

]]> By: Dan O http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610020 Dan O Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:38:40 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610020 Whatever the quality of Errol Morris's questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara's honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn't go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since. Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable. Whatever the quality of Errol Morris’s questions in Fog of War, I do remember being very impressed with McNamara’s honesty and frank talk. As I recall he didn’t go all the way to taking responsibility for his policies in Viet Nam, but his responses were direct and soul-searching to a degree I have never seen in a public figure before or since.

Some of it seemed self serving, but I did think his candor overall was remarkable.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610018 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:08:07 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610018 Great piece you posted, Ahmed. Great piece you posted, Ahmed.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610016 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:45:12 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610016 Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing Hmmmm, whats up with posts disappearing

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610015 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:13:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610015 Alexander, in his top 1980's form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html "In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon. Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved." Alexander, in his top 1980′s form which we dont see much now, brings some of that old time heat and has penned a pitch perfect piece

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07072009.html

“In his later years, McNamara never offered any reflection on the social system that produced and promoted him, a perfectly nice, well- spoken war criminal. As his inflation of his role in the foe- bombing of Japan showed, he could go so far as to falsely though complacently indict himself, while still shirking bigger, more terrifying and certainly more useful reflections on the system that blessed him and mercilessly killed millions upon millions under FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon.

Like Speer, he got away with it, never having to hang his head or drop through a trap door with a rope around his neck, as he richly deserved.”

]]> By: Sergio http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610014 Sergio Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:41:52 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610014 Zinn and I go way back. I'm a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother. Zinn and I go way back. I’m a decent dancer, although not as good as my dad or Michael Jackson- loving brother.

]]> By: GM Hoakster http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610013 GM Hoakster Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:31:16 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610013 Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed. Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter. Oh lord Ahmed. MJ was a ignominy. Plain and simple. If he were nor rich and famous he would have spent time in prison. Case closed.

Just cause he was a great song and dance man does not excuse his behavior. An exploiter is an exploiter.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610010 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:25:23 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610010 This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah's "banality of evil" This is a prime example of how an interesting and insightful blog post can become derailed easily because of commentators. So since this is already a kind of a dead thread let me say that Stevie Wonder just gave a wonderful performance

ps the McNamara as genius and boy wonder, the architect of so much death and destruction was a prime example of Hannah’s “banality of evil”

]]> By: Samuel http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610009 Samuel Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:18:45 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610009 <i>"Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard."</i> Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John's political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant. If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument. “Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.”

Please, your comments are embarrassing and make you sound hysterical and unhinged. I probably agree with 2% of John’s political opinions, but compared to your screeching he sounds downright brilliant.

If you want to be taken seriously, at least try constructing a coherent argument.

]]> By: passing through http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610008 passing through Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:04:49 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610008 <i>to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed</i> Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard. to his absurd decisions at the world bank, to his seeking forgiveness from the evil bastards he originally opposed

Fuck off and die, John Moore, you TRULY evil bastard.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610007 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:46:33 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610007 PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that...at least not to a stranger and public figure! And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election. PS. The council brought in Dick Gregory, too. Awesome. After he spoke I gave him a hug. Never have I been moved to do something like that…at least not to a stranger and public figure!

And just to ratchet up the razz: I wrote in his name the first time I voted in a presidential election.

]]> By: Ahmed http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610006 Ahmed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:45:08 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610006 hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming . ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go-- mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5--then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer hahaha, a opinionated and fun comment about the commentators. nice mavis. now as marc says hopefully back to regular programming .

ps if the start of the memorial is any indication of how it wil go– mariah doing a mediocre job of belting our some jackson 5–then this will be a mediocre, faux sentimental snoozer

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610005 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:35:50 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610005 By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha's Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend's house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown. By the way, Ahmed. I met Howard Zinn. He was guest speaker of the Martha’s Vineyard Peace Council during the Gulf War. He and I and his wife were just hanging out on the patio of my friend’s house prior to his talk at the famous Whaling Church in Edgartown.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610004 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:32:11 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610004 Actually, its just a completely stupid statement. Actually, its just a completely stupid statement.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610003 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:31:24 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610003 And out of all I write...how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse? Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too. And out of all I write…how do you come up with ME being morally obtuse?

Your comment is about as morally obtuse as anything ever put in this comments section. Add intellectually obtuse, too.

]]> By: Anna Churchill http://marccooper.com/strange-and-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-610002 Anna Churchill Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:29:25 +0000 http://marccooper.com/?p=2810#comment-610002 Mavis, anyone who can pen the words: Complete forgiveness may not be possible for MacNamara, but the dude is definitely a better class of criminal than Rummy and Cheney is not only obtuse but a moron. Mavis, anyone who can pen the words:

Complete forgiveness may not be possible for MacNamara, but the dude is definitely a better class of criminal than Rummy and Cheney

is not only obtuse but a moron.

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