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The Big Non-Buzz at LA Times [Updated]

More news coming in about the op-ed shuffle at the Los Angeles Times. As I reported in the post below this one, veteran liberal columnist Bob Scheer (the only LATimes opinion writer with a national following) has been canned.

In the best tradition of dinosaur institutions, it took the Times a solid week to finally confirm that move that had been rumor everywhere (Isn't it odd how NEWSpapers are often the last people to report on themselves?).

Anyway, the Times made public its new line-up of op-ed columnists in Thursday afternoon. I have a few reactions. But it is:

            * Sunday:  Gregory Rodriguez, Jon Chait

            * Monday:  Niall Ferguson

            * Tuesday:  Joel Stein

            * Wednesday:  Max Boot, Erin Aubry Kaplan

            * Thursday:  Jonah Goldberg, Patt Morrison

            * Friday:  Rosa Brooks

            * Saturday: Meghan Daum

How's that for a non-buzz? A few of the names are new. Others are writers that the Times has already been blending into its mix. Purged from the pages is conservative cartoonist Michael Ramirez; a move that might be considered a sop to Scheer’s audience who absolutely abhorred him.

A couple of noteworthy trends jump out from the list. You’d think with circulation slumping and now a couple of years into futzing with the editorial pages, the mighty Times would pony up to purchase a couple of nationally-known powerhouses.

Unlike the NYTimes or even the WashPo, the LATimes has lacked a signature set of opinion writers. That omission will now continue. With Scheer’s departure, the Times line-up is now bereft of a single,  muscular journalist with veteran national and international reporting experience-- the sort of experience,by the way, that is pre-requisite for strong local columnizing in a place like L.A.

They didn’t even steal some proven commodity from another paper. The new list is full of wonks and magazine editors along with a self-obsessed comedy writer and a Gen X autobiographer and memoirist. The only hard-core political writers are conservatives: the extremely dull and excessively ideological Max Boot and the terribly annoying and gossamer-weight propagandist Jonah Goldberg (who by contrast, makes David Brooks seem one of the towering intellects of the modern era).

Oops, sorry. I forgot the New Republic’s Jonathan Chait. Now, why would that be? For those who keep score, Chait is what’s known as neo-liberal i.e. someone barely inside the Democratic Party (and in this case, I’m sorry to say, a very dry, boring writer – the sort of student you’d assign to whip up a term paper, say, on the history of pollution trading credits). 

Rosa Brooks, a Virginia law prof and daughter of lefty icon Barbara Ehrenreich, has been writing some provocative fare on the op-ed page for some months now. Good to see her retained.

The other issue made evident by this line-up, is that the new Times columnists are virtually all contract freelancers. The only staff writer I see on the list is Patt Morrison – a witty and wonderfully talented writer who, unless I’m reading this wrong—has just had her column reduced in frequency of publication. A not very smart move, if true. [Note: LATimes sources note that I am wrong, sort of. Apparently Morrison was told earlier in the week she was plain off the op-ed page, but then somehow got mysteriously restored by the end of the week].

Outsourcing the op-ed slots to freelancers has several less-than-encouraging implications. For one, it saves the Times a lot of money. Instead of having to shell out $100k plus (and bennies) for a staff writer, or twice that much or more for some veteran writer with real national cred, the Times can pay their new opinion scribes a sum closer to $500 or $750 a column with no benefits, by the way. Someone correct me if I’m wrong about this miserly column pay rate… but I don’t think so. I hate to pull back the curtain on the sausage factory, but yes Virgina, you can be both a regular columnist for one of the richest, largest newspapers in the country and still earn less than $50k a year for your efforts. Maybe less than $40K.

As an extension of that principle, the freelance columnists lack both the institutional clout and backing of the powerful L.A. Times and its parent Tribune Company. An editor of National Review or a fellow at some think tank or – a struggling TV hack—writing a column for the Times doesn’t exactly have the punch of, say, a MoDo or some other reasonable facsimile who is a card-carrying staffer.

And with staff cartoonist Ramirez now out, the Times says his replacement will be yet one more potpourri of freelancers. Ramirez was as far to the Right of the Times median readership as his predecessor, Paul Conrad, was to the Left. Both guys were able to survive storms of reader criticism and continue their controversial work precisely because they had a guaranteed job.   

The freelance model, by contrast, gives the paper’s management that one word which all employers lust after: “flexibility.”  With a flick of a switch, any of these contract writers can disappear overnight through the trap door. I expect, in fact, that this current collection of writers will be hastily dealt in and out of the deck. And a year from now, you can pretty much figure there will be a new and amended list. As I said in my previous post, the L.A. Times, like all American newspapers, is being forced to come up with some bold and innovative strategies to offset declining readership interest and loyalty. This new reshuffle of the editorial pages isn’t one of them.

 Link: L.A. Observed on the Scheer-Ramirez trade out.

 Link: Matt Welch

 Link:  Bob Scheer moves cancelled column to Huffington Post.

 Link:  ThinkProgress on bantam-weight Jonah Goldberg's laughable credentials.

67 Responses to “The Big Non-Buzz at LA Times [Updated]”

  1. lurker Says:

    Maybe Jonah’s mom pays the Times to publish his adolescent excrement. It could be an important income source for them.

  2. Jim Russell Says:

    Temp help trend arrives at big media. No health, no dental, no 401, no matching, no desk, no security, no retirement……no shit?

    Welcome to the crowd of other sausage factories.

  3. andrew Says:

    Jonah Goldberg for Robert Scheer? Robert Scheer is one of the most intelligent, insightful, gutsy columnists in America. He has uncovered the Bush morass and lies with wit, logic and vigor.

    Goldberg is the son of that despicable Luciane Goldberg who befriended Linda Tripp in an effort to pull the Clinton presidency down. Jonah is the devil incarnate, a creation of the Fox Network, Roger Ailes, Dick Cheney, and a con neo con of the first degree. He lives for ideology alone.

    This is a disgraceful moment for the LA TImes and a sign of that paper’s vapidity and absent soul.

  4. Mark A. York Says:

    Second that on Goldberg. They’ll still cal it a liberal rag as they have even with Max Boot in the stable. I think they’re bowing the conservative pressure and offering up a false balance. The op-ed pages are exactly where balance is not required nor should it be. It’s the voice of the paper not a mishmash of all the disparate views in America.

    NY Times pays $375 for guest op-eds.

  5. Mavis Beacon Says:

    Ugh. LA Times has not made me happy. Do they think this will slow circulation decline or even grow readership? Why is it so hard to understand that local voices with national prominance are a real commodity and they cannot easily be replaced by the bland national voices of Jonah Goldberg and Jonathan Chait? Ugh.

  6. richard lo cicero Says:

    The TIMES’ editorials were always mush compared to the NYT or WaPo. I thought Kinsley might help but he was a disaster. Maybe they should have been clued in by the fact that he stayed in Seattle. Think Gail Collins would have her job if she lived in Atlanta?

    As far as the OpEd it particularly strange that the TRib people would not see the need for a strong local voice. Does the name Mike Rokyo mean anything to them? And I’ll bet the decline in the SF CHRONICLE’s circulation has a lot to do with the death of Herb Caen and the other idiosyncratic writers that made paper so much fun to read. It sure wasn’t the newshole! And I always thought it crazy that a gifted political observer like Harold Meyerson had to go to DC to get a gig on a major paper.

    Problem is Marc the Trib Company doesn’t have the ambition of the old management when Otis Chandler headed the paper. He wanted the TIMES to be a national voice on a par with the NYT and WaPo and he hired a staff to compete. But when his ultra conservative cousins complained and wanted more dividends he was forced out and the rot began. Say what you will about Pinch – and you can say alot – but he still wants the NYT to matter. The Trib people probably care more about KTLA and their investment in the WB.

    On the other hand I won’t have to look at the excreable cartoons of Michael Ramirez that were illustrated GOP talking points. To even mention him in the same breath as Conrad is laughable. For one thing Conrad can draw!

  7. rosedog Says:


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  8. Josh Legere Says:

    Joel Stein? They guy is a commentator on nostalgia shows on VH1. He has the typical Gen X libertarian bullshit politics.

    He should be in the Calender section. What a disgrace.

  9. Greg Dewar Says:

    Max Boot sucks. He’s one of the many legions of talkers who has done nothing but live in academia and the professional talking business, and frankly I’m sick of him taking up space in the Times when he doesn’t even live in California.

    He’s always been a prissy little jerk, ever since college, and it amazes me this loser gets a column in the Times.

  10. rosedog Says:

    Of course, we love Patt. (Anybody tries to mess with her and I’m arming myself and going over to have a word with a few people.)

  11. Michael Crosby Says:

    The twice or thrice-weekly columnist is one of the finest features of American newspapers. Even if we don’t really see things in the same way, we become consciously and subconciously attuned to their perceptions and voices. It is like reading Marc’s blog. Many of the entries are the products of inciipient or ongoing research, which is great. Others are the product of current events washing over and through him, and we as readers have not only our own perceptions by which to understand events, but those of a familiar perceiver and explainer to whom we accord a certain level of trust. So we can check and refine our views with reference to his. And the discussion then proceeds.

    Eliminating or diluting the presence of people like Scheer or Patt Morrison effects another small abandonment by the Times of its calling. And much as I preferred Conrad to Ramirez, I credit Ramirez for providing some very stark, cold comments that stimulated thought and response.

  12. John Dicker Says:

    I’d like to stick up for Megan Daum. I think she’s a fabulous essayist. I don’t know how she’ll do as a weekly columnist, but I think that Marc was way too dismissive of her.

  13. Sheldon Levine Says:

    Good grief, you could not be more wrong about Chait!! Yeah, he’s a neolib. But he’s one of the funniest writers in Washington today (and one of the smartes)–kind of a young Michael Kinsley. His star is really on the rise, the Times is smart to grab him. Don’t know why you can’t see that.

  14. Marc Cooper Says:

    Megan Daum is a good essayist, I’ll grant that much. But given the midget stature of the new op-ed line-up I’d say that Daum’s role might be elsewhere in the Times. Those op-ed slots ought to be for people who break up the furniture, That;s not what Megan does.
    I have to say John, that the selection of writers seems to reflect a facle pc pandering by the editors:
    A latino, a black woman, an urbane gen xer, a hollywood hipster… good god! Whatever happened to a simple category? Great Columnist??????

  15. Marc Cooper Says:

    I hope that you’ve written that as satire! One wise-ass Mike Kinsley is enough in this world… I hope to hell we are not actually growing new ones.
    In any case, maybe my lyin’ eyes are lyin’ but when I read Chait they begin to seal over… columns by a man who apparently has never left his cubicle.

  16. Michael Turmon Says:

    It’s Joel Stein who seems like the most egregious mistake of the lot. Who cares what he thinks? His columns are so lightweight, so much navel-gazing.

    Boot is irritating just because he’s so predictable. It’s uninteresting to read — and I’m pretty sure it’s not *just* because I’m not “on his side”. I get the feeling the editors felt they needed some reliable conservative for balance and they don’t care what flavor of B.S. they buy for the role.

    Anyone else flash back on Evelyn Waugh’s “Boot of the (Daily) Beast” from Scoop? What a laugh.

  17. Mark A. York Says:

    I still call it faux balance. What about merit of argument and the best purveyors of it?

  18. richard lo cicero Says:

    Rosedog, you’re welcome.

    If Patt is only going to be once a week what happens to her hat collection?

  19. Jay Says:

    Jonah Goldberg is Lucianne Goldberg’s son? Yikes! Thanks for the heads up, Andrew. Anyhow, let’s allow ourselves a small moment of glee at the news Michael Ramirez was fired…..okay, that’s over now back to grinding these fascists down.

  20. richard lo cicero Says:

    By the way Marc I noticed that LA OBSERVED had a little bit about unhappiness at the WEEKLY after meeting with the head of New Times Media. Seems he feels the paper needs some work. What kind? Well he thinks the old NEW TIMES LA was just peachy keen! I can hardly wait for Jill Stewart to be the new political editor. Watch out folks we may be losing across the board.

  21. richard lo cicero Says:

    Oh, off-topic, but I can’t resist. According to James Ridgeway in the VILLAGE VOICE, James Agee – the man most responsible for the Intelligence Agent’s Identities Protection Act – now says he supports the law and condemns the outing of Valerie Plame! Take that Hitchens! And who said irony is dead!

  22. Diz Deen Says:

    They should have Hitches aboard. He could write about how many virgins he scored with when lecturing at the Family Research Council…

  23. Bobby I. Says:

    As a J-school student, I can’t accurately describe how depressing the LAT’s changes on the opinion page really are. People like myself dream of writing a regular column at a high-visibility outlet like the LAT. Meanwhile, they outsource the page to wonks who toss off 750-word pieces as a side project? Where are the journalists? And only one staff writer on the page? I will now chew tinfoil to distract myself from these grim realities.

  24. Kevin Says:

    Is there a real good newspaper left in California?

  25. Marc Cooper Says:

    Some responses: I very much like Bobby I’s comments above. Today at the USC Annenberg School I taught a workshop to visiting high school journalism students. I kept thinking, how do you explian to these kids that a piece of shout show navel lint like Jonah Goldberg gets onto the page that boots a real live journalist like Scheer? Answer: you don’t.

    To RLC: I know few people who believe that the coming of the New Times will bring anything good to the Weekly. At best it will be neutral, but I think that’s a long shot. I would expect there to be significant cuts and slashes at the Weekly.
    My sources inside the LA Times, by the way, tell me everyone is walking arounf eggshells inside the bldg because they know further cuts are happening there. Maybe we’ll all wind up on the same golf course with Aaron Brown!

  26. Rupert M. Fossilman Says:

    What do you expect from a newspaper that has the editorial pages editor reporting to the publisher? The Times missed a lesson or two from the Staples debacle. One day very soon, after circulation drops another 20 percent, the Times’ op-ed page will be the same as the Tribune’s. Take that one to the bank, Jeffrey.

  27. Mel Says:

    The LA Times is owned by the Tribune. A couple of weeks ago, the Tribune lost in court over a shady company they own. The punishment? Tribune had to write a check in the tidy sum of one billion dollars.

    What a surprise that this reshuffling is going on. And the axing isn’t going to stop.

  28. Drydock Says:

    I first heard of Max Boot when is was a student columnist at UC berkeley’s Daily Cal. I actually thought his name was some kind of joke, something like a nazi skinhead. But he’s real. He was a student around 1990 in Berkeley at the heighth of the PC era. The guy is a walking idealogical reaction to the American left. I hear the Boot advocates that the US should be openly pro-imperialist. God its depressing to see this guy make it big.

  29. too many steves Says:

    what the hell do you expect to get for $500 – $750 per column? they’re opinion writers and “pundits” for gods sake.

    meanwhile, opinion readership at the East Coast Times is way down since they began charging for access. what would an economist say about that?

  30. Mark A. York Says:

    Well we can still read the guest op-eds who work for the $375 at NYT.

    This is a terrible time to get into the newspaper biz. As soon as I qualify to work at one they all fall to pieces.

  31. Joe Lapsley Says:

    I have seen nowhere mentioned the name that leapt out at me– Niall Ferguson. He is a “big lie” kind of historian of the worst way, always going on about how wonderful the British Empire was.

  32. reg Says:

    RLC – Let us now praise famous men – I think the guy you’re referring to must be Phillip Agee.

  33. reg Says:

    “And I’ll bet the decline in the SF CHRONICLE’s circulation has a lot to do with the death of Herb Caen and the other idiosyncratic writers that made paper so much fun to read.”

    Up here in the People’s Republic by the Bay the Chronicle only has one political columnist (excluding a couple of folks who do periodic local commentary), a conservative who’s a fairly decent commentator. But I’m pleased to report that the Chron still puts most of it’s columnar muscle into idosyncratic folk who are fun to read. Jon Carroll is the literate, rumpled, slightly crotchedy fellow (and too much of an investment in his cats); Leah Garchik, after a couple of years of trying too hard has finally mastered the pure ephemera and people parade niche that Caen pioneered; Mark Morford is off to a good start as the more than slightly crazed guy with a handful of HST genes; and Tim Goodman is the best television reviewer ever, because he holds most of the medium, it’s messages, messengers and moguls in complete contempt. I don’t know if they’ll save the Chron from it’s generally deserved decline as a NEWSpaper, but they are carrying on it’s sole respectable tradition of slightly odd people who are fun to read. (Joel Selvin also does a halfway decent job of holding down the Great Bay Area Music Columnist chair, but he’s got to fend off a couple of forgettable youngsters with terrible taste and crappy attitudes. It ain’t him, it’s the times.)

  34. Kevin Says:

    So, reg, is the Comicle as bad as the Murky News these days? I suffer thru the Merc every day, but haven’t looked at the Chron recently.

  35. richard lo cicero Says:

    Did I say JAMES Agee? Maybe I should write for the CHRONICLE! I guess ironu may be alive but my brain cells are another matter!

  36. Abbas-Ali Abadani Says:

    Michael Turmon: “Boot is irritating just because he’s so predictable.”

    I despise Max Boot as much as everyone else here seems to, but predictability/unpredictability is not a good barometer of the worth of someone’s writing.

    After all, most of us have a general idea of what our favorite columnists, bloggers, authors are going to have say on a particular topic before we read or hear their words.

  37. Michael Turmon Says:

    A.A.-A.: I tend to stop reading people who stop surprising me.

    On Patt, who is great: Is the moniker “Patt the Hatt” due to Matt Welch, or someone else?

  38. notherbob2 Says:

    Was Scheer part of the cabal that insists on printing lies as truth? Democrats have to do something and their initial steps may be awkward. They must find a voice that will capture moderate votes. Otherwise, the Republicans are free to pursue the policies that we complain of with no fear that they will be out on their ear. I just saw Tim on “Meet The Press” repeat what he must know is a lie [if you were watching and have had any contact outside the liberal cocoon, you saw and heard it too] about what Bush said about the purchase of materials in Africa. Oddly, [not really] he used exactly the same [practiced] words that other Democrats have used on this exact subject. The truth is available from sources other than the MSM. There will always be spin. However, repeating lies that have been proven to be lies; lies that contradict and misquote statements that are available in transcripts and live video, should one care to verify them, is detestable and whoever is in charge of allowing this to continue by the Democrats ought to speak out against it. Whatever the current issues are, it upsets me that Democrats [like Tim and Scheer] are willing, even if they are journalists, to peddle lies for political gain. Howard Dean is on right now declaring that the “Democrats tell the truth” over and over. Methinks that he doth protest too much. That is the biggest lie of all right now. Yes, the base eats it up and writes checks. How in the hell is a policy of lying going to get moderate votes? Especially when it is pursued right in the midst of a campaign to have Bush certified as being a liar! Who the hell designed this campaign strategy?
    Yes, the Republicans claiming that the investigative groups have absolved the Bush administration are spin as well. They did no such thing. These claims are not the absolute, provable lies that the Democrats are trying to sell. There is a difference between spin on matters that may, however awkwardly, be subject to different interpretations and calling black: white, and all thinking people [otherwise know as Independents, Moderates, Swing Voters, etc. ] can see it. If the Democrats don’t clean up their act, America is in trouble.

  39. Mark A. York Says:

    But I notice you didn’t quote those words of Russert’s here. Do you notice how Republican talking points are always fallacious and already disproved, yet they persist? I sure do and it isn’t based on any party’s list either. It’s based on facts and reaonable analysis.

  40. notherbob2 Says:

    Mark, if you look here the official NBC site for Meet The Press, you will see in the official transcript:

    “MR. RUSSERT: And prior to that, he [Bush] had said that we had gotten uranium from Africa…”

    “…MR. RUSSERT: … But here’s the president talking about uranium from Africa…”

    “…MR. RUSSERT: …The head of the CIA, George Tenet, apologized for saying that we had gotten uranium from Africa…”.

    OK, Mark. The ball is in your court. Show me the transcript that shows Bush (or Tenet, for that matter, but let’s keep this on Bush just for simplicity) saying “we had gotten uranium from Africa”.

    Not important, you say? Then why did Tim repeat it three times? How many items does Tim repeat three times? And it is not true!

    By the way, stating that any party’s talking points are “always” fallacious marks you as ..what? Such comments do nothing to enhance your credibility. Should be easy for you to disprove the Republican talking point that Tim’s comment is a lie, since it has “already [been] disproved” and all. Or is your statement all you got?
    Also by the way, reading the transcript is not boring; both party representatives stayed on message and made excellent points.

  41. PD Says:

    Couldn’t agree more. The once half-way decent Times, unwilling to take thoughtful, mindful, intelligent risks, is looking more like the conservative, bland, uninspiring fare of status quo, cowardly middle america (or the jingoistic trash of a completely noncredible, nonjournalistic Washington Times) every day — more like a Jacksonville FL Times Union, in fact than a metro paper for the country’s largest state.

    Pathetic (except for the notable exception of Patt Morrison as you pointed out). As flawed as the New York Times is (very flawed) the NYT still hasn’t completely given over to the monster of corporate greed & total intellectual dishonesty — yet.

  42. Tom Grey - Liberty Dad Says:

    I particularly like the Leftist quote above:
    “that’s over now back to grinding these fascists down.” — meaning the US Reps.

    Not the fascists in Darfur, where dozens are dying every week thanks to the Muslim Arab fascists AND their enablers: the UN & the ICC.

    Not the fascists in Iraq — most Dems seem to think Saddam should have been left in power. (Oh no, we wanted him out — just not “that way”. [what way? won't say! ] ) The Dem/ MSM keeps talking about quagmire/ disaster/ etc, while Iraqi democracy, in less than 3 years, is far advanced of Kosovo after 6.

    Not the fascists in Zimbabwe; wait, they’re black murderers, and Ian Smith’s Rhodesia was racist — so hundreds (thousands?) starving is OK.

    Not the fascists in Vietnam — those who won the Vietnam war when the Leftist “US out now” policy was followed; and hundreds of thousands of S. Viet mostly unarmed civilians were murdered.

    Nope. None of THESE fascists need any grinding; just ol’ W — who brought democracy to Afghanistan & Iraq; with more steps towards freedom in Lebanon, Kuwait, even Saudi Arabia.

    Dems deserve to lose as long as they think US Reps are worse than the real fascists in the real world.

  43. Michael Turner Says:

    It’s not really fair to diss Joel Stein, because he’s got a tough beat: writing humor about celebrities and stardom and the entertainment world generally. What could be more redundant? I’ll tell you what could be more redundant: writing a humor column about other humor columnists. If Dave Barry had been locked in an iron maiden that tight, you would never have heard of him, unless you found an old Ripley’s Believe It or Not in the attic and happened to open it to the right page. No, Dave Barry got to write about serious, important things, like family life, and Florida, and irate letters he received from idiots, and, in a pinch, exploding toilets. Whatever the hell — as LONG AS IT MADE YOU LAUGH.

    It’s even tougher on Joel in another way: as a columnist for the [trumpets blare a fanfare] *LA Times*, he’s already bobbing along on the top. You don’t get the built-in bathos of a Sandra Tsing Loh, IN that world, but not OF it; too far above it in sheer brainpower, too far below it in the Great Chain of Froth Bubbles. Bathos requires a fall; ensconced in the Great Tinsel Zeppelin of Entertainment Reporting from the West Coast, Joel himself is perpetually lighter than air because he’s not allowed to inhale anything stronger than helium, at 30,000 feet up.

  44. reg Says:

    “So, reg, is the Comicle as bad as the Murky News these days? ”

    As a NEWSpaper the Comicle is far worse than the Murk…for entertaining reading, I’ll take the Chron. It’s funny, since I get most of my “daily” news the night before on the net, the Chron turns out to be a perfectly adequate small side with my morning cuppa or to pass a BART ride. Maybe they’re on to something…hooking readers on columnists and features rather than news. That said, they sure do skimp on original political opinion. Maybe somewhere in a sale document of the old reliably Republican Chron there’s a clause that they’ve gotta keep a GOP stalwart in the stable, thus providing perpetual job security for the “not insane” conservative scribbler, Debra Saunders.

  45. notherbob2 Says:

    Here is another example from the same Meet The Press program of Russert lying: “… Russert edited Powell’s response to make it sound exactly the opposite.” Is editing a response to make it sound the opposite of what the speaker meant lying? Is it journalism? Such actions should result in a firing.

  46. Mark A. York Says:

    Well I think the “We” part meant Iraq so that’s an unfortunate mispoken term. “We said” they did meaning us the US government. Iraq didn’t get uranium yellowcake from Africa, and we said different.

    I think your wingnuttery is speaking loud and clear, blaming the wrong party, messenger and turning a blind eye to reality because of personal bias. That’s where your cedibility rests now. Whatchca gonna do?

  47. notherbob2 Says:

    I think your moonbattery is speaking loud and clear, blaming the wrong party, messenger and turning a blind eye to reality because of personal bias. That’s where your cedibility rests now.

  48. Mark A. York Says:

    Powell said “deliberately misleading.” Also wrong, incorrect intelligence, and so on. Your point is Russert lied? That’s amazing pretzel logic. Your blog is a good reason why blogs should never get any respect. Nutcases can say anything and claim it as truth, when in fact it’s complete BS as you’ve so aptly proven.

  49. Mark A. York Says:

    I think evidenc eis imaginary just like the case for the weapons. Who turned out to be right?

  50. notherbob2 Says:

    If you think that my exchange with Mark ended in a tie, and you believe that calling someone a wingnut repudiates their factual statements then you really are a moonbat deep in the cocoon. If, on the other hand, you find Tim’s [certified] lying abhorrent, you should first say so on this site and if you care enough, inform your spokespersons that adopting the exact same tactics [lying] that they are accusing Bush of using is not in the best interests of the party. Or, you can admit that you morally don’t care if a journalist lies, so long as the lies are in support of leftist talking points and just remain silent until all this goes away.

  51. Mark A. York Says:

    The evidence shown is no lie except apparently in wingerville. Who else here thinks this shows Russert lying? I’d love to hear it. Fitzgerald took Russert’s testmony. That wasn’t a lie either unlike the defendant.

  52. richard lo cicero Says:

    If anyone is interested (LISTEN UP REG!) Robert Scheer’s column will now appear in the CHRONICLE.

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