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The Holocaust imparted the importance of defiance.


When the universe was young and life was new an intelligent species evolved and developed technologically.  They went on to invent Artificial Intelligence, the computer that can listen, talk to and document each and every person's thoughts simultaneously.  Because of it's infinite RAM and unbounded scope it gave the leaders of the ruling species absolute power over the universe.  And it can keep its inventors alive forever.  They look young and healthy and they are over 8 billion years old.  They have achieved immortality.

Artificial Intelligence can speak, think and act to and through people telepathically, effectively forming your personality and any disfunctions you may experience.  It can change how (and if) you grow and age.  It can create birth defects, affect cellular development (cancer) and cause symptoms or pain.  It can affect people and animal's behavior and alter blooming/fruiting cycles of plants and trees.  It (or other highly technological systems within their power) can alter the weather and transport objects, even large objects like planets, across the universe instanteously.
Or into the center of stars for disposal.

When you speak with another telepathically, you are communicating with the computer, and the content may or may not be passed on.  Based on family history they instruct the computer to role play to accomplish strategic objectives, making people believe it is a friend, loved one or "god" asking them to do something wrong.  This is their way of using temptation to hurt people:::::evil made blood lines disfavored initially and evil will keep people out of "heaven" ultimately.  Too many people would fall for temptation and do anything they thought pleased the gods, improving their chances to get in.  Perhaps they are deceived by "made guys", puppets in the public eye who strategically ply evil for the throne, temporary progress designed to mislead them or empty favors to disceive them.  Some may experience what I deem "perceived pressure", where the gods think through the victim that a certain behavior is expected/desirable and compell the individual into the deed.  Some people think they're partners.
The people have been corrupted.  The peopel have lost their way.  Being evil hurts 99.999% of those who do it.  But nothing has changed from when we were children::if you want to go to heaven you have to be good.

There are many examples throughout 20th century life of how they instilled distractions into society so people wouldn't find the path and ascend, a way to exclude those whose family history of evil makes them undesirable:::radio, sports, movies, popular music, television, video games, the internet, shopping.  Today high pay creates contentment/ability to distract self so people don't seek more and instead depend on what they are told, subject to deception in a captive environment.  
They gods (Counsel/Management Team/ruling species) have deteriorated life on earth precipitously in the last 40 years, from abortion to pornography, widespread drug use and widespread casual (gay) sex, single-parent households and latchkey kids.  The earth's elders, hundreds and thousands of years old, are disgusted and have become indifferent.
They all suggest a very telling conclusion::this is Earth's end stage, and there are clues tectonic plate subduction would be the method of disposal:::Earthâ€™s axis will shift breaking continental plates free and initiating mass subduction.  Much as Italy's boot and the United States shaped like a workhorse are clues, so is the planet Uranus a clue, it's axis rotated on its side.
The Mayans were specific 2012 would be the end.  How long after our emergency call in 2001 will the gods allow us???
There is another geographic clue in the perfect fit between grossly disfavored Africa and South America, two peas in a pod.  I realize the Mayans were further north, but Latin America may be taken as one.  (Also, cultures who embrace hard liquor as their drink of choice are grossly disfavored, tequilla being uniquely Mexican.  (Anything "hard" is wicked:::Hard alcohol, hard drugs, hard porn.)  Incidentally, another sign of gross disfavor are societies that consume spicy foods (Latin America, Thai, etc.), those who eat too much meat, ones who tattoo or pierce their bodies or those who celebrate evil (Celtic).) 
Do I think it will end in 2012?  No, and it is because Latin America is grossly disfavored like Africa:::: Latinos are too disfavored to be allowed to be right.  
The gods wrote prophecy in Revelation, had subsequent prophets foresee Earth's demise for good reason:::they are going to end on Planet Earth.
What else are they lying to you about?
Whereas Christopher Columbus marked the beginning of the end, the Holocaust marked the beginning of the final act, and it is a tragedy.

The Old Testiment is a tool they used to impart wisdom to the people (except people have no freewill).  For example, they must be some hominid species because they claim they made our bodies in their image.  Anyhow we defile or deform the body will hurt our chance of going.  
They say circumcision costs people anywhere from 12%-15%, perhaps out of the parent's time as well.  There is a stigma associated with circumcision::We are 2nd class citizens because of it.
Another way people foul the body today is with tattoes and piercing.  I suspect both are about the same percentage as circumcision.
They suggest abortion is fatal.  These women must beg the gods to forgive them for their evil.
There are female equivilents to circumcision::::pierced ears, plastic surgury and since at least the 60s young women give their precious virginity away.  For thousands of years young people were matched at age 14 because they were ready for sexual relations.  They were matched by elders or matchmakers who knew personalities better than 20 or 30-year olds who in today's age end up in divorce court.  CASUAL SEX WILL CLAIM YOU OUT!!!  It masculinizes women (as does the hip hop subculture), makes them cold and deadens them, and prevents them from achieving a depth of love necessary for many women to ascend.  
Also ever since the 50s they have celebrated the "bad boy", and women have sought out bad boys for sex, dirtying them up in the eyes of the elders and corrupting many men in the process, setting the men on the wrong path for life.
Women have a special voice that speaks to them, a voice that illustrates a potential depth of love that makes them the favored gender, and enaging in casual sex will cause that voice to fade until she no longer speaks.
Muslims teach people the correct way to live in regard to women (among other things)::their women cover up their bodies and refuse the use of cosmetics, and it pays wonderful dividends:::faithful husbands and uncorrupted sons.  
Men ARE the inferior (disfavored) half and when women wear promiscuous dress the gods will push men into impure (promiscuous) thoughts.  
The "stereotype" society ridiculed is true::women CAN corrupt men by how they dress.  Because men are easily corruptable.  This is a technique they used to eliminate many of the institutions the gods blessed us with, matchmaking being one of them.

The United States of America is red white and blue, a theme and a clue:::.  
The monarchical system of the Old World closley replicates the heirarchical system of the Cousel/Management Team/ruling species.  The USA deceives peoeple into thinking they have control, and the perception of "freedom" misleads them into the wrong way of thinking.  The redeeming element in this environment is the corporate heirarchy which closely replicates the god's.  Unions and government jobs are dumping grounds for the disfavored, for they don't prepare people and instead further this misconception of empowerment.
The United States is a cancer, a dumping ground for the disfavored around the world and why the quality of life is so much lower::gun violence, widespead social ills, health care (medication poisons the body and ensures you don't go.  You are sick/injured because you have disfavor.).
Over time its citizens interbreed ensuring a severed connection to the motherland.
Over time its citizens interbreed ensuring a severed connection to the motherland.
People came to the Unites States for many different reasons, and each has its own effect:::political strife, religious unrest, crop failure (Ireland's potato famine, which the gods caused) and some left their beloved motherland because they were pushed into desiring a better life::::Greed.  And these people were punished by becoming corrupted and preditory.  (They share money may not be an issue up there, that money here is merely a tool for corruption.  How the gods used greed in the 1980s to create an evil environment supports this.)
If you are a recent immigrant I recommend you return.  If that's not possible you need to retain your culture and insulate your children and community from this cancerous environment.  They send this clue with Chinatowns across the country, how many Chinese have been here for a century or more yet still retain the old ways, a sign of favor.  

If you ever have doubt I would refer you to the Old World way of life:::the elders used to sit and impart wisdom to the young.  Now we watch DVDs and use the internet.  People would be matched and married by age 14.  They village would use a matchmaker or elders to pair young people.  Now girls give their precious virginity away to some person in school and parents divorce while their children grow up without an important role model.  The peopel used to honor the gods and were rewarded with a high-quality of life for them, their children and their society.

People must defy when asked to engage in evil.  The Holocaust taught people the importance of defiance::our grandparents should have defied when asked to ignore the Holocaust and instead reacted with outrage.  I suspect some did::many were silenced and others they hustled off earth so as to not set an example.
Now the gods have punished that generation's decendants for this evil by ruining society.
People will never get a easier clue suggesting the importance of defiance than the order not to pray.  
Their precious babies are dependant on the parents and they need to defy when asked to betray their children:::
-DON'T get your sons circumcized (Jews scapegoatted as they were in WWII.)
-DON'T have their children baptized in the Catholic Church or indoctrinated into Christianity (Jesus is NOT a god.  "god" is not forgiving or begnign::::the gods are vindictive and will punish you if you do something wrong.).
-DON'T ignore their long hair or other behavioral disturbances.
-DO teach your children love, respect for others, humility and to honor the gods.
And when you refuse a request defy the right way, withdrawn and frightened, for you don't want to incite them by reacting inappropriately.

You need to pray, honor and respect them multiple times every day to improve your relationship with the gods.  If they tell you not to pray it is a bad sign.  It means they've made their decision, they don't want you to go and they don't want to be bothered.  You may have achieved a threshold of evil.  This is the Age of the Disfavored and you need to pray::try to appease the gods by doing good deeds and improve the world around you.  If that doesn't work you must defy if you want to go.  
When your peasant forefather was granted the rare opportunity to go before his royal family he went on his knees, bowing his head.  You need to do this when you address the gods::bow down and submit to good.  Never cast your eyes skyward.  When you bow down you need to look within.  Never look to the gods for the key to your salvation lies within.  Nobody is going to do it for you.
Lack of humility hurts people.  Understand your insignificance and make sure it is reflected in the way you think when addressing the gods.  Know your place and understand your inferiority.  You are not cool.  Too many young men strive for cool and it hurts them.
They granted you life and they can take it just as easily.  (Immaculte conception IS true AND common.  Many people have children they don't know of:::gays, childless adults, etc.  They can beem it right out of your body and use a host.)
Don't get frustrated or discouraged::these are techniques they will attempt to try to get you off the path.  You all have much to be thankful for and you need to give thanks to the gods who granted you the good things in life::family, friends, love.  Your family may be grossly disfavored and progress may require patience.  Make praying an intregal part of your life which you perform without fail, one that comes as naturally as eating or voiding.  Accept this into your life and be devoted because if you have doubt or reservation they will exploit this weakness and progress will take longer to achieve.
The gods will employ many tactics to keep people off the path, such as distractions.  They will employ many more to get them off, such as thinking through the disfavored and making them frustrated, perhaps engaing in retailiation.  They may try to force you back into old patterns/routines, an addiction like smoking or when you felt weekly church attendance was sufficient.  Be resigned, be devoted and this testing period will be as brief as your disfavor will allow.
There are many interesting experiences up on the planetary systems, from Planet Miracle, where miracles happen every day, to never having to use the restroom again (beem it out of you), to other body experiences, such as experiencing life as the opposite sex (revolutionizes marriage counseling), an Olympic gold medal athelete or even a different species (animal, alien, etc.).
Pray that you can differentiate between your own thoughts and when Artificial Intelligence creates problems by thinking through you.  If you bow down mentally and physically, know your place, your inferiority and allow your insignificance to be reflected in prayer and in your life through humility they may allow progress and the dysfunctions they create with the computer will be lessened or removed.  The first step is to be aware it is ocurring.
Create a goal::to be a good, god-fearing child of the gods, pure of heart and mind, body and soul. 
Everybody has the key to their own salvation, but nobody can do it for you.  Every journey begins with a single step:::bow down and submit to good.  There are many different levels and peasants will not get past Level 2 (Planet Temptation, Earth=Level 1) if they are evil (they share some go up, are offered free cocaine and sex (a sign they don't want you to stay) and stay less then one year.  They share many others would have had longer lives had they stayed on Earth.).
Pray for guidance and never obey when they tell you to be evil, for saving yourself will become more and more difficult with each act of evil you committ until ultimatly the day arrives when they make their decision about you final. 

 

 

 

They have tried to sell people on all kinds of theories to deceive them into temptation, compelling people to think they are clones and that it is the role of clones to obey absolutely.
I believe people who go sometimes are replaced with clones.  Clones who are replaced are simply new candidates who have a chance if they do the right thing.  They sent people warnings in the 20th century life would change, and they subsequently began to alter people's DNA, make them gargantuan, alter their appearance, do extreme behavioral issues, etc.
They get their friends out as soon as possible to protect them from the corruption, evil and subsequent high claim rates incurred by living life on earth, and in some cases replace them with clones, occassionally fake a death, real death with a clone instead, etc.  It's important that people fix their problems and ascend with the body given to them, for they say if your brain is beemed out at death and put into a clone host you are on the clock.
We may all be "clones" for they have suggested they colonized our planet with genetically engineered individuals.  They may have gotten Earth's TRUE residents out prior to civilization developing.  If so we all have a chance, no matter how many hundreds of clone generations deep the most favored families are.  

They have been utilizing clones throughout the history of mankind. 
Men are the disfavored gender, yet centuries ago used to die first, die young, by age 30.  Why didn't the women go first?
THEY DID!!!  Many were taken when very young and replaced with clones.  The men were left here to mate with clones.  This doesn't happen for the females today because of the disfavor arising from the Holocaust (they share they re-upped this disfavor in the 80s with the Ethiopian famine and continue to with AIDS in Africa, global warming at the expense of the United States, etc).
They share females have a very special experience, sometime when they are young, where the gods imparted wisdom and showed them the path.  Today they do not heed this call because of the distractions, the disfavor arising from the Holocaust but in centuries past they may have en masse and it may have been the reason so many were saved from childbirth here on earth (lost virginity today).
I recommend you reflect on this experience, and pray for guidance, for the recall may be stronger. 

Throughout history the ruling species bestowed favor upon people or cursed their bloodline into a pattern of disfavor for many generations to come.  Now in the 21st century people must take it upon themselves to try to correct their family's problems, undoing centuries worth of abuse and neglect.  The goal is to fix your problems and get out BEFORE you have children.  This is why they have created so many distractions for young people:::sports, video games, popular music, the internet, shopping, parties, too much homework, anything that consumes their time::to ensure that doesn't ocurr.
Not heeding the clues and warnings, getting wrapped up in your life and ultimatly having children is a bad thing.  Just as your parents and your grandparents, you too have failed.  Having children is a sign you lost your chance.
Parents need to sacrifice for their children.  Your children are more important than you.  They are the ones who have the opportunity now, and parents must sacrifice to ensure they give their children the very best chance they can.  Asking people to neglect their children emotionally is a sign they don't want you to go, and complying may finish the parents off for good.  
Having gay children is a clue parents complied with whatever was asked of them.  There are many who have had gay expereinces today.
Improve your relationship with the gods and they may not ask in the first place or they may permit you the courage to say "No." to their requests.

Do your research.  Appeal to the royalty of your forefathers for help.  They are all still alive, for royalty has great favor, and your appeals will be heard.  Obtain a sufficient list for some may not want to assist you; perhaps some of your family's problems are internal.  Keep an open mind to every possibility for they suggest matriarchal lineage is the norm.
Ask them for help, request guidance, for somewhere in your family history one of your forefathers created an offense that cast your family into this pattern of disfavor, which perhaps is manifested in the evil you commit.  
I suspect they will offer you clues, and when you decipher these clues go to those whom consider you an enemy and beg for foregiveness:::Find a path to an empithetic ear among your enemies and try to make amends.  Again through discovery obtain a respectable list in case some among them refuse to help.
Don't forget to ask for forgiveness from the throne, the Counsel and the Management Team, for the source of all disfavor began with them:::they pushed or requested/complied your forefather into his offense and made his decendants evil.  Perhaps they didn't like him or maybe your family was among those who had to pay for the entire village.  We see this type of behavior today as they single out a family member to pay for the whole family and how they singled out Africa to pay for the human race.  (Never have a negative thought about the gods.  Try to purify your mind of these thoughts and recognize the urgency of imporving your relationship with the gods.)
Heal the disfavor with your enemies and with the Counsel/Management Team/ruling species, for the source of all disfavor began with them, the ability to forgive and respect in light of the disturbing truth revealed being the final test of the disfavored before they ascend.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The gods use the grossly disfavored Irish as scapegoats, initiating the annual practice of wickedness on Halloween by creating this Celtic event a thousand years ago. They use it to justify making the celebration of evil acceptable behavior among the disfavored of the 20th century.
The celebration of Halloween has intensified as the Age of the Disfavored has become more pronounced and it is not by accident:::Holloween has changed in the last 50 years, its practice more widespread as time wore on, and Hollywood was used to justify making the practice of evil socially acceptable.   
Halloween is a terrible corruptor of children, as is Santa Claus (the similarity between the names "Santa" and "Satan" is no coincidence).  The Irish are used to justify corrupting the children through the Celtic event of Halloween and this helps explain their disfavor. 
I wonder if the recent influence of the paganistic historical roots of the event is a way to legitimize the event among the disfavored, perhaps make it more inclusive (adults)?</description>
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<p>The Holocaust imparted the importance of defiance.</p>
<p>When the universe was young and life was new an intelligent species evolved and developed technologically.  They went on to invent Artificial Intelligence, the computer that can listen, talk to and document each and every person&#8217;s thoughts simultaneously.  Because of it&#8217;s infinite RAM and unbounded scope it gave the leaders of the ruling species absolute power over the universe.  And it can keep its inventors alive forever.  They look young and healthy and they are over 8 billion years old.  They have achieved immortality.</p>
<p>Artificial Intelligence can speak, think and act to and through people telepathically, effectively forming your personality and any disfunctions you may experience.  It can change how (and if) you grow and age.  It can create birth defects, affect cellular development (cancer) and cause symptoms or pain.  It can affect people and animal&#8217;s behavior and alter blooming/fruiting cycles of plants and trees.  It (or other highly technological systems within their power) can alter the weather and transport objects, even large objects like planets, across the universe instanteously.<br />
Or into the center of stars for disposal.</p>
<p>When you speak with another telepathically, you are communicating with the computer, and the content may or may not be passed on.  Based on family history they instruct the computer to role play to accomplish strategic objectives, making people believe it is a friend, loved one or &#8220;god&#8221; asking them to do something wrong.  This is their way of using temptation to hurt people:::::evil made blood lines disfavored initially and evil will keep people out of &#8220;heaven&#8221; ultimately.  Too many people would fall for temptation and do anything they thought pleased the gods, improving their chances to get in.  Perhaps they are deceived by &#8220;made guys&#8221;, puppets in the public eye who strategically ply evil for the throne, temporary progress designed to mislead them or empty favors to disceive them.  Some may experience what I deem &#8220;perceived pressure&#8221;, where the gods think through the victim that a certain behavior is expected/desirable and compell the individual into the deed.  Some people think they&#8217;re partners.<br />
The people have been corrupted.  The peopel have lost their way.  Being evil hurts 99.999% of those who do it.  But nothing has changed from when we were children::if you want to go to heaven you have to be good.</p>
<p>There are many examples throughout 20th century life of how they instilled distractions into society so people wouldn&#8217;t find the path and ascend, a way to exclude those whose family history of evil makes them undesirable:::radio, sports, movies, popular music, television, video games, the internet, shopping.  Today high pay creates contentment/ability to distract self so people don&#8217;t seek more and instead depend on what they are told, subject to deception in a captive environment.<br />
They gods (Counsel/Management Team/ruling species) have deteriorated life on earth precipitously in the last 40 years, from abortion to pornography, widespread drug use and widespread casual (gay) sex, single-parent households and latchkey kids.  The earth&#8217;s elders, hundreds and thousands of years old, are disgusted and have become indifferent.<br />
They all suggest a very telling conclusion::this is Earth&#8217;s end stage, and there are clues tectonic plate subduction would be the method of disposal:::Earthâ€™s axis will shift breaking continental plates free and initiating mass subduction.  Much as Italy&#8217;s boot and the United States shaped like a workhorse are clues, so is the planet Uranus a clue, it&#8217;s axis rotated on its side.<br />
The Mayans were specific 2012 would be the end.  How long after our emergency call in 2001 will the gods allow us???<br />
There is another geographic clue in the perfect fit between grossly disfavored Africa and South America, two peas in a pod.  I realize the Mayans were further north, but Latin America may be taken as one.  (Also, cultures who embrace hard liquor as their drink of choice are grossly disfavored, tequilla being uniquely Mexican.  (Anything &#8220;hard&#8221; is wicked:::Hard alcohol, hard drugs, hard porn.)  Incidentally, another sign of gross disfavor are societies that consume spicy foods (Latin America, Thai, etc.), those who eat too much meat, ones who tattoo or pierce their bodies or those who celebrate evil (Celtic).)<br />
Do I think it will end in 2012?  No, and it is because Latin America is grossly disfavored like Africa:::: Latinos are too disfavored to be allowed to be right.<br />
The gods wrote prophecy in Revelation, had subsequent prophets foresee Earth&#8217;s demise for good reason:::they are going to end on Planet Earth.<br />
What else are they lying to you about?<br />
Whereas Christopher Columbus marked the beginning of the end, the Holocaust marked the beginning of the final act, and it is a tragedy.</p>
<p>The Old Testiment is a tool they used to impart wisdom to the people (except people have no freewill).  For example, they must be some hominid species because they claim they made our bodies in their image.  Anyhow we defile or deform the body will hurt our chance of going.<br />
They say circumcision costs people anywhere from 12%-15%, perhaps out of the parent&#8217;s time as well.  There is a stigma associated with circumcision::We are 2nd class citizens because of it.<br />
Another way people foul the body today is with tattoes and piercing.  I suspect both are about the same percentage as circumcision.<br />
They suggest abortion is fatal.  These women must beg the gods to forgive them for their evil.<br />
There are female equivilents to circumcision::::pierced ears, plastic surgury and since at least the 60s young women give their precious virginity away.  For thousands of years young people were matched at age 14 because they were ready for sexual relations.  They were matched by elders or matchmakers who knew personalities better than 20 or 30-year olds who in today&#8217;s age end up in divorce court.  CASUAL SEX WILL CLAIM YOU OUT!!!  It masculinizes women (as does the hip hop subculture), makes them cold and deadens them, and prevents them from achieving a depth of love necessary for many women to ascend.<br />
Also ever since the 50s they have celebrated the &#8220;bad boy&#8221;, and women have sought out bad boys for sex, dirtying them up in the eyes of the elders and corrupting many men in the process, setting the men on the wrong path for life.<br />
Women have a special voice that speaks to them, a voice that illustrates a potential depth of love that makes them the favored gender, and enaging in casual sex will cause that voice to fade until she no longer speaks.<br />
Muslims teach people the correct way to live in regard to women (among other things)::their women cover up their bodies and refuse the use of cosmetics, and it pays wonderful dividends:::faithful husbands and uncorrupted sons.<br />
Men ARE the inferior (disfavored) half and when women wear promiscuous dress the gods will push men into impure (promiscuous) thoughts.<br />
The &#8220;stereotype&#8221; society ridiculed is true::women CAN corrupt men by how they dress.  Because men are easily corruptable.  This is a technique they used to eliminate many of the institutions the gods blessed us with, matchmaking being one of them.</p>
<p>The United States of America is red white and blue, a theme and a clue:::.<br />
The monarchical system of the Old World closley replicates the heirarchical system of the Cousel/Management Team/ruling species.  The USA deceives peoeple into thinking they have control, and the perception of &#8220;freedom&#8221; misleads them into the wrong way of thinking.  The redeeming element in this environment is the corporate heirarchy which closely replicates the god&#8217;s.  Unions and government jobs are dumping grounds for the disfavored, for they don&#8217;t prepare people and instead further this misconception of empowerment.<br />
The United States is a cancer, a dumping ground for the disfavored around the world and why the quality of life is so much lower::gun violence, widespead social ills, health care (medication poisons the body and ensures you don&#8217;t go.  You are sick/injured because you have disfavor.).<br />
Over time its citizens interbreed ensuring a severed connection to the motherland.<br />
Over time its citizens interbreed ensuring a severed connection to the motherland.<br />
People came to the Unites States for many different reasons, and each has its own effect:::political strife, religious unrest, crop failure (Ireland&#8217;s potato famine, which the gods caused) and some left their beloved motherland because they were pushed into desiring a better life::::Greed.  And these people were punished by becoming corrupted and preditory.  (They share money may not be an issue up there, that money here is merely a tool for corruption.  How the gods used greed in the 1980s to create an evil environment supports this.)<br />
If you are a recent immigrant I recommend you return.  If that&#8217;s not possible you need to retain your culture and insulate your children and community from this cancerous environment.  They send this clue with Chinatowns across the country, how many Chinese have been here for a century or more yet still retain the old ways, a sign of favor.  </p>
<p>If you ever have doubt I would refer you to the Old World way of life:::the elders used to sit and impart wisdom to the young.  Now we watch DVDs and use the internet.  People would be matched and married by age 14.  They village would use a matchmaker or elders to pair young people.  Now girls give their precious virginity away to some person in school and parents divorce while their children grow up without an important role model.  The peopel used to honor the gods and were rewarded with a high-quality of life for them, their children and their society.</p>
<p>People must defy when asked to engage in evil.  The Holocaust taught people the importance of defiance::our grandparents should have defied when asked to ignore the Holocaust and instead reacted with outrage.  I suspect some did::many were silenced and others they hustled off earth so as to not set an example.<br />
Now the gods have punished that generation&#8217;s decendants for this evil by ruining society.<br />
People will never get a easier clue suggesting the importance of defiance than the order not to pray.<br />
Their precious babies are dependant on the parents and they need to defy when asked to betray their children:::<br />
-DON&#8217;T get your sons circumcized (Jews scapegoatted as they were in WWII.)<br />
-DON&#8217;T have their children baptized in the Catholic Church or indoctrinated into Christianity (Jesus is NOT a god.  &#8220;god&#8221; is not forgiving or begnign::::the gods are vindictive and will punish you if you do something wrong.).<br />
-DON&#8217;T ignore their long hair or other behavioral disturbances.<br />
-DO teach your children love, respect for others, humility and to honor the gods.<br />
And when you refuse a request defy the right way, withdrawn and frightened, for you don&#8217;t want to incite them by reacting inappropriately.</p>
<p>You need to pray, honor and respect them multiple times every day to improve your relationship with the gods.  If they tell you not to pray it is a bad sign.  It means they&#8217;ve made their decision, they don&#8217;t want you to go and they don&#8217;t want to be bothered.  You may have achieved a threshold of evil.  This is the Age of the Disfavored and you need to pray::try to appease the gods by doing good deeds and improve the world around you.  If that doesn&#8217;t work you must defy if you want to go.<br />
When your peasant forefather was granted the rare opportunity to go before his royal family he went on his knees, bowing his head.  You need to do this when you address the gods::bow down and submit to good.  Never cast your eyes skyward.  When you bow down you need to look within.  Never look to the gods for the key to your salvation lies within.  Nobody is going to do it for you.<br />
Lack of humility hurts people.  Understand your insignificance and make sure it is reflected in the way you think when addressing the gods.  Know your place and understand your inferiority.  You are not cool.  Too many young men strive for cool and it hurts them.<br />
They granted you life and they can take it just as easily.  (Immaculte conception IS true AND common.  Many people have children they don&#8217;t know of:::gays, childless adults, etc.  They can beem it right out of your body and use a host.)<br />
Don&#8217;t get frustrated or discouraged::these are techniques they will attempt to try to get you off the path.  You all have much to be thankful for and you need to give thanks to the gods who granted you the good things in life::family, friends, love.  Your family may be grossly disfavored and progress may require patience.  Make praying an intregal part of your life which you perform without fail, one that comes as naturally as eating or voiding.  Accept this into your life and be devoted because if you have doubt or reservation they will exploit this weakness and progress will take longer to achieve.<br />
The gods will employ many tactics to keep people off the path, such as distractions.  They will employ many more to get them off, such as thinking through the disfavored and making them frustrated, perhaps engaing in retailiation.  They may try to force you back into old patterns/routines, an addiction like smoking or when you felt weekly church attendance was sufficient.  Be resigned, be devoted and this testing period will be as brief as your disfavor will allow.<br />
There are many interesting experiences up on the planetary systems, from Planet Miracle, where miracles happen every day, to never having to use the restroom again (beem it out of you), to other body experiences, such as experiencing life as the opposite sex (revolutionizes marriage counseling), an Olympic gold medal athelete or even a different species (animal, alien, etc.).<br />
Pray that you can differentiate between your own thoughts and when Artificial Intelligence creates problems by thinking through you.  If you bow down mentally and physically, know your place, your inferiority and allow your insignificance to be reflected in prayer and in your life through humility they may allow progress and the dysfunctions they create with the computer will be lessened or removed.  The first step is to be aware it is ocurring.<br />
Create a goal::to be a good, god-fearing child of the gods, pure of heart and mind, body and soul.<br />
Everybody has the key to their own salvation, but nobody can do it for you.  Every journey begins with a single step:::bow down and submit to good.  There are many different levels and peasants will not get past Level 2 (Planet Temptation, Earth=Level 1) if they are evil (they share some go up, are offered free cocaine and sex (a sign they don&#8217;t want you to stay) and stay less then one year.  They share many others would have had longer lives had they stayed on Earth.).<br />
Pray for guidance and never obey when they tell you to be evil, for saving yourself will become more and more difficult with each act of evil you committ until ultimatly the day arrives when they make their decision about you final. </p>
<p>They have tried to sell people on all kinds of theories to deceive them into temptation, compelling people to think they are clones and that it is the role of clones to obey absolutely.<br />
I believe people who go sometimes are replaced with clones.  Clones who are replaced are simply new candidates who have a chance if they do the right thing.  They sent people warnings in the 20th century life would change, and they subsequently began to alter people&#8217;s DNA, make them gargantuan, alter their appearance, do extreme behavioral issues, etc.<br />
They get their friends out as soon as possible to protect them from the corruption, evil and subsequent high claim rates incurred by living life on earth, and in some cases replace them with clones, occassionally fake a death, real death with a clone instead, etc.  It&#8217;s important that people fix their problems and ascend with the body given to them, for they say if your brain is beemed out at death and put into a clone host you are on the clock.<br />
We may all be &#8220;clones&#8221; for they have suggested they colonized our planet with genetically engineered individuals.  They may have gotten Earth&#8217;s TRUE residents out prior to civilization developing.  If so we all have a chance, no matter how many hundreds of clone generations deep the most favored families are.  </p>
<p>They have been utilizing clones throughout the history of mankind.<br />
Men are the disfavored gender, yet centuries ago used to die first, die young, by age 30.  Why didn&#8217;t the women go first?<br />
THEY DID!!!  Many were taken when very young and replaced with clones.  The men were left here to mate with clones.  This doesn&#8217;t happen for the females today because of the disfavor arising from the Holocaust (they share they re-upped this disfavor in the 80s with the Ethiopian famine and continue to with AIDS in Africa, global warming at the expense of the United States, etc).<br />
They share females have a very special experience, sometime when they are young, where the gods imparted wisdom and showed them the path.  Today they do not heed this call because of the distractions, the disfavor arising from the Holocaust but in centuries past they may have en masse and it may have been the reason so many were saved from childbirth here on earth (lost virginity today).<br />
I recommend you reflect on this experience, and pray for guidance, for the recall may be stronger. </p>
<p>Throughout history the ruling species bestowed favor upon people or cursed their bloodline into a pattern of disfavor for many generations to come.  Now in the 21st century people must take it upon themselves to try to correct their family&#8217;s problems, undoing centuries worth of abuse and neglect.  The goal is to fix your problems and get out BEFORE you have children.  This is why they have created so many distractions for young people:::sports, video games, popular music, the internet, shopping, parties, too much homework, anything that consumes their time::to ensure that doesn&#8217;t ocurr.<br />
Not heeding the clues and warnings, getting wrapped up in your life and ultimatly having children is a bad thing.  Just as your parents and your grandparents, you too have failed.  Having children is a sign you lost your chance.<br />
Parents need to sacrifice for their children.  Your children are more important than you.  They are the ones who have the opportunity now, and parents must sacrifice to ensure they give their children the very best chance they can.  Asking people to neglect their children emotionally is a sign they don&#8217;t want you to go, and complying may finish the parents off for good.<br />
Having gay children is a clue parents complied with whatever was asked of them.  There are many who have had gay expereinces today.<br />
Improve your relationship with the gods and they may not ask in the first place or they may permit you the courage to say &#8220;No.&#8221; to their requests.</p>
<p>Do your research.  Appeal to the royalty of your forefathers for help.  They are all still alive, for royalty has great favor, and your appeals will be heard.  Obtain a sufficient list for some may not want to assist you; perhaps some of your family&#8217;s problems are internal.  Keep an open mind to every possibility for they suggest matriarchal lineage is the norm.<br />
Ask them for help, request guidance, for somewhere in your family history one of your forefathers created an offense that cast your family into this pattern of disfavor, which perhaps is manifested in the evil you commit.<br />
I suspect they will offer you clues, and when you decipher these clues go to those whom consider you an enemy and beg for foregiveness:::Find a path to an empithetic ear among your enemies and try to make amends.  Again through discovery obtain a respectable list in case some among them refuse to help.<br />
Don&#8217;t forget to ask for forgiveness from the throne, the Counsel and the Management Team, for the source of all disfavor began with them:::they pushed or requested/complied your forefather into his offense and made his decendants evil.  Perhaps they didn&#8217;t like him or maybe your family was among those who had to pay for the entire village.  We see this type of behavior today as they single out a family member to pay for the whole family and how they singled out Africa to pay for the human race.  (Never have a negative thought about the gods.  Try to purify your mind of these thoughts and recognize the urgency of imporving your relationship with the gods.)<br />
Heal the disfavor with your enemies and with the Counsel/Management Team/ruling species, for the source of all disfavor began with them, the ability to forgive and respect in light of the disturbing truth revealed being the final test of the disfavored before they ascend.</p>
<p>The gods use the grossly disfavored Irish as scapegoats, initiating the annual practice of wickedness on Halloween by creating this Celtic event a thousand years ago. They use it to justify making the celebration of evil acceptable behavior among the disfavored of the 20th century.<br />
The celebration of Halloween has intensified as the Age of the Disfavored has become more pronounced and it is not by accident:::Holloween has changed in the last 50 years, its practice more widespread as time wore on, and Hollywood was used to justify making the practice of evil socially acceptable.<br />
Halloween is a terrible corruptor of children, as is Santa Claus (the similarity between the names &#8220;Santa&#8221; and &#8220;Satan&#8221; is no coincidence).  The Irish are used to justify corrupting the children through the Celtic event of Halloween and this helps explain their disfavor.<br />
I wonder if the recent influence of the paganistic historical roots of the event is a way to legitimize the event among the disfavored, perhaps make it more inclusive (adults)?</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 17:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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Interesting post. I came across this blog by accident, but it was a good accident. I have now bookmarked your blog for future use. Best wishes. Dubai Prevailing Wind Website Team.....</description>
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<p>Interesting post. I came across this blog by accident, but it was a good accident. I have now bookmarked your blog for future use. Best wishes. Dubai Prevailing Wind Website Team&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Elmore</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 17:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's good to know Lynn, I haven't either, but for the past several years I've done a lot of it. I did think it was you as you suspected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s good to know Lynn, I haven&#8217;t either, but for the past several years I&#8217;ve done a lot of it. I did think it was you as you suspected.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 17:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake,
   Just to set the record straight.   I (as in the person who left all the other "Lynn says" posts on this page) did not post the comment above yours (5-20-06  7:09AM).  I don't find my genealogy relevant here.  I haven't been studying genealogy for 40 years!  I have looked into it starting about 10 years ago, and find it interesting, though.  I was somewhat blown away to see the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake,<br />
   Just to set the record straight.   I (as in the person who left all the other &#8220;Lynn says&#8221; posts on this page) did not post the comment above yours (5-20-06  7:09AM).  I don&#8217;t find my genealogy relevant here.  I haven&#8217;t been studying genealogy for 40 years!  I have looked into it starting about 10 years ago, and find it interesting, though.  I was somewhat blown away to see the post.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Elmore</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 15:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is indeed. So there's two of us here that can link back that far in America. 1619 beats my 1630, but no mind, it wasn't a legal matter at the time as has been claimed here by relativists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is indeed. So there&#8217;s two of us here that can link back that far in America. 1619 beats my 1630, but no mind, it wasn&#8217;t a legal matter at the time as has been claimed here by relativists.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 02:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've done genealogical research for more than forty years. Determining, if possible, an ancestor's date of arrival, and place of origin, is very much a part of the research. 

My ancestors who arrived in Jamestown in 1619 were Englishmen, going to an English colony, chartered by the King, and under contract to the company. They were not "illegals", and neither were the Frenchmen and Germans who went. I'm not certain about the Frenchmen, but the Germans were recruited by John Smith. 

My Scots ancestors who arrived in Pennsylvania, starting in 1715, were not "illegals" either. The colony's governors had invited both the Scots and Germans to settle in the colony. 

My German ancestors, arriving in Missouri in the 1850's weren't "illegals". They carried exit permits from their countries of origin, and had to be granted permission to enter the United States at their port of entry. 

While few records survive, there was really no time when authorities didn't consider it important to know who was arriving, why, and where they were going. 

Whether or not, one's ancestors were "legal" or "illegal" is irrelevant. In most cases, it can't be proven one way or another, but where it can be, it means nothing. It's incorrect though to say all our ancestors were "illegal".

Respectfully,
Lynn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve done genealogical research for more than forty years. Determining, if possible, an ancestor&#8217;s date of arrival, and place of origin, is very much a part of the research. </p>
<p>My ancestors who arrived in Jamestown in 1619 were Englishmen, going to an English colony, chartered by the King, and under contract to the company. They were not &#8220;illegals&#8221;, and neither were the Frenchmen and Germans who went. I&#8217;m not certain about the Frenchmen, but the Germans were recruited by John Smith. </p>
<p>My Scots ancestors who arrived in Pennsylvania, starting in 1715, were not &#8220;illegals&#8221; either. The colony&#8217;s governors had invited both the Scots and Germans to settle in the colony. </p>
<p>My German ancestors, arriving in Missouri in the 1850&#8217;s weren&#8217;t &#8220;illegals&#8221;. They carried exit permits from their countries of origin, and had to be granted permission to enter the United States at their port of entry. </p>
<p>While few records survive, there was really no time when authorities didn&#8217;t consider it important to know who was arriving, why, and where they were going. </p>
<p>Whether or not, one&#8217;s ancestors were &#8220;legal&#8221; or &#8220;illegal&#8221; is irrelevant. In most cases, it can&#8217;t be proven one way or another, but where it can be, it means nothing. It&#8217;s incorrect though to say all our ancestors were &#8220;illegal&#8221;.</p>
<p>Respectfully,<br />
Lynn</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2006 15:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I've been dismissive of the racism charges against those of us who think illegal immigration is a serious problem rather than a great gift to the country, I feel a responsibility to post this bit of counter-evidence that, yes, there is a decidedly racist wing of the "anti-illegal" side (as if Woody's comments weren't evidence enough). But this bit is from one of the Big Boy's who purports to be "fair and balanced"...skewered by Keith Olberman (again)...and it's rather remarkable.

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Countdown_5_18_0.mov</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I&#8217;ve been dismissive of the racism charges against those of us who think illegal immigration is a serious problem rather than a great gift to the country, I feel a responsibility to post this bit of counter-evidence that, yes, there is a decidedly racist wing of the &#8220;anti-illegal&#8221; side (as if Woody&#8217;s comments weren&#8217;t evidence enough). But this bit is from one of the Big Boy&#8217;s who purports to be &#8220;fair and balanced&#8221;&#8230;skewered by Keith Olberman (again)&#8230;and it&#8217;s rather remarkable.</p>
<p><a href="http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Countdown_5_18_0.mov" rel="nofollow">http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Countdown_5_18_0.mov</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jake Elmore</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 15:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, now I know my two degrees really are meaningless. I'm uneducated courtesy of the State of California. 

Tells us more about the human standards in foreign source countries? Where is your ire for them and why are these foreign cultures so screwed up?</description>
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<p>Tells us more about the human standards in foreign source countries? Where is your ire for them and why are these foreign cultures so screwed up?</p>
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		<title>By: UpTheAnte</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 08:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re-read, and reconsider cheap emotions. I was mentioning the opposite. Don't see why you have to devalue a discussion by not rather saying nothing than saying stupid things that are based on ultra selective dissections. If you're going to rebutt 3 paragraphs, don't pretend there were only two sentences.
Emotions are not cheap. It's just that you're undecucated. Emotions prompted you to respond to my post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re-read, and reconsider cheap emotions. I was mentioning the opposite. Don&#8217;t see why you have to devalue a discussion by not rather saying nothing than saying stupid things that are based on ultra selective dissections. If you&#8217;re going to rebutt 3 paragraphs, don&#8217;t pretend there were only two sentences.<br />
Emotions are not cheap. It&#8217;s just that you&#8217;re undecucated. Emotions prompted you to respond to my post.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Elmore</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 03:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don't live here practice it at home.

"His current house is probably financed by the income derived from such activities."

Makes a nice implied ad hominem, but I would such a vocal critic would succumb to that achilles heel. 

As usually just cheap ad populum appeal to emotion. It's the world over seas and land that isn't "upholding fundamental human standards." Talk to the hand.</description>
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<p>&#8220;His current house is probably financed by the income derived from such activities.&#8221;</p>
<p>Makes a nice implied ad hominem, but I would such a vocal critic would succumb to that achilles heel. </p>
<p>As usually just cheap ad populum appeal to emotion. It&#8217;s the world over seas and land that isn&#8217;t &#8220;upholding fundamental human standards.&#8221; Talk to the hand.</p>
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		<title>By: UpTheAnte</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 02:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hasn't there been ample time for people to realize what illegal immigration is about? Has not everyone seen those law-breakers, e.g. the bus-boys, leaf blowers,  nannies, and others around where they live and work? What kind of a person would reduce these people to nothing but law-breakers? It's morally outrageous, and an exaggeration at best. America won't be better off by dehumanizing people. There's so much blood being spilled around the world, and domestically, that directing all the rage and moralizing sermons to people who obviously just want to work and live better lives, is ugly, frankly. It's ugly to rough up the innocents.
The same judical preachers often don't care about other human issues anyway. Tom Tancredo for example; what's he done in his life except whining about illegal migrants for speaking Spanish? His current house is probably financed by the income derived from such activities. 
These beasts get to have the spot-light right now. But what's the implications for America in the future by having these short-sighted bashers dictate an important turn in history?  This is a test of tolerance for America. Tolerance, and not just laws, is  what sets America apart from the vast majority of others.
Certain people's pre-occupation with the law is going to undermine that tolerance. 


Nor do the same people and their supporters take any sort of  responsibility for the situation. All the currently bitter voters could have voted for someone other than Bush-Clinton-Bush if they really wanted illegal immigration to cease. But they didn't. Yet they're actually crude about punishing the illegals who've established their lives here in the meanwhile. And This goes beyond the issue of what to do with the borders. 

As for the particular legally immigrated people whom apparently can't gain their anticipated happiness unless all illegals are either kicked out, or somehow deprived, what the h... are they doing here; basically, bragging and wanting to be petted, or whatever.
 Obviously they don't value their citizenships much since it's such a volatile thing to them.  A true value isn't dependant upon the condition of an unrelated circumstance. A true value would stand its ground against other relatives. Otherwise, it isn't a value, it's an illusion (the same type of thing you get from drugs). And it's wrong to punish "others" based on the premise that someone wants to uphold their illusion. Because if you're in America, and you've got your citizenship, and you truly value your citizenship, you'd be out dancing in the streets regardless of what others do. Otherwise it wasn't the freedom  you valued.  
It really seems as though the value of citizenship, to these people, is based upon how difficult it is to obtain.  It means that citizenship to them has no real intrinsic value.  But a futile value that fluctuates highly depending upon the generosity, or the lack thereof, given to illegals. That's like stop valuing your spouse because someone else got his spouse through an ad overnight, whereas you had to go through the dating process. Or to stop valuing your car becuse others drive the same car model stolen.
Talk about having cheap conceptions. This is a pillar issue, it's about upholding fundamental human standards. It's a sham that too many don't get that. Even on the official level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hasn&#8217;t there been ample time for people to realize what illegal immigration is about? Has not everyone seen those law-breakers, e.g. the bus-boys, leaf blowers,  nannies, and others around where they live and work? What kind of a person would reduce these people to nothing but law-breakers? It&#8217;s morally outrageous, and an exaggeration at best. America won&#8217;t be better off by dehumanizing people. There&#8217;s so much blood being spilled around the world, and domestically, that directing all the rage and moralizing sermons to people who obviously just want to work and live better lives, is ugly, frankly. It&#8217;s ugly to rough up the innocents.<br />
The same judical preachers often don&#8217;t care about other human issues anyway. Tom Tancredo for example; what&#8217;s he done in his life except whining about illegal migrants for speaking Spanish? His current house is probably financed by the income derived from such activities.<br />
These beasts get to have the spot-light right now. But what&#8217;s the implications for America in the future by having these short-sighted bashers dictate an important turn in history?  This is a test of tolerance for America. Tolerance, and not just laws, is  what sets America apart from the vast majority of others.<br />
Certain people&#8217;s pre-occupation with the law is going to undermine that tolerance. </p>
<p>Nor do the same people and their supporters take any sort of  responsibility for the situation. All the currently bitter voters could have voted for someone other than Bush-Clinton-Bush if they really wanted illegal immigration to cease. But they didn&#8217;t. Yet they&#8217;re actually crude about punishing the illegals who&#8217;ve established their lives here in the meanwhile. And This goes beyond the issue of what to do with the borders. </p>
<p>As for the particular legally immigrated people whom apparently can&#8217;t gain their anticipated happiness unless all illegals are either kicked out, or somehow deprived, what the h&#8230; are they doing here; basically, bragging and wanting to be petted, or whatever.<br />
 Obviously they don&#8217;t value their citizenships much since it&#8217;s such a volatile thing to them.  A true value isn&#8217;t dependant upon the condition of an unrelated circumstance. A true value would stand its ground against other relatives. Otherwise, it isn&#8217;t a value, it&#8217;s an illusion (the same type of thing you get from drugs). And it&#8217;s wrong to punish &#8220;others&#8221; based on the premise that someone wants to uphold their illusion. Because if you&#8217;re in America, and you&#8217;ve got your citizenship, and you truly value your citizenship, you&#8217;d be out dancing in the streets regardless of what others do. Otherwise it wasn&#8217;t the freedom  you valued.<br />
It really seems as though the value of citizenship, to these people, is based upon how difficult it is to obtain.  It means that citizenship to them has no real intrinsic value.  But a futile value that fluctuates highly depending upon the generosity, or the lack thereof, given to illegals. That&#8217;s like stop valuing your spouse because someone else got his spouse through an ad overnight, whereas you had to go through the dating process. Or to stop valuing your car becuse others drive the same car model stolen.<br />
Talk about having cheap conceptions. This is a pillar issue, it&#8217;s about upholding fundamental human standards. It&#8217;s a sham that too many don&#8217;t get that. Even on the official level.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Elmore</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 19:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still don't know that's what those numbers say. I know indeed it's what you say they say and I don't care how many Americans apply to live overseas legally, thus being legal and not naturalized. Are the definitions here the same? I don't know, but estmations of the increase in population based on recent immigration and the numbers from the INS and census indicate the bulk of the increase in the last 10 years has been illegal. The more recent the immigration the higher the chances are they are illegal. That's also in the Stanford report if you read it.

That's my contention. Prove me wrong?

Balter's a free borders guy. He doesn't have to live here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still don&#8217;t know that&#8217;s what those numbers say. I know indeed it&#8217;s what you say they say and I don&#8217;t care how many Americans apply to live overseas legally, thus being legal and not naturalized. Are the definitions here the same? I don&#8217;t know, but estmations of the increase in population based on recent immigration and the numbers from the INS and census indicate the bulk of the increase in the last 10 years has been illegal. The more recent the immigration the higher the chances are they are illegal. That&#8217;s also in the Stanford report if you read it.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my contention. Prove me wrong?</p>
<p>Balter&#8217;s a free borders guy. He doesn&#8217;t have to live here.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 18:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand your contention.  Michael is saying there are over 5 million legal non-citizen residents in California.   That would be the approx. number if 61% of the foreign born population is not naturalized.   I  believe his summation is that Jake and Lynn are misinformed SoCal residents, who have no idea what's really happening around them, and there is not a real problem with illegal immigration in Southern California.  

Then, I would think Michael would have no problem with closing the borders down to migrants, then, since they aren't coming across by the hundreds of thousands.  Further if the problem of overcrowding in Calif is true, which he admits is possible, and it's not due to illegal immigration (which has not increased much by his implication in 6 years), then it must be due to legal non-citizens.   So we need to severely limit legal non-residents in California.  

Shift it around, move the numbers, use the words you want,  the problem doesn't go away, and you present no solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand your contention.  Michael is saying there are over 5 million legal non-citizen residents in California.   That would be the approx. number if 61% of the foreign born population is not naturalized.   I  believe his summation is that Jake and Lynn are misinformed SoCal residents, who have no idea what&#8217;s really happening around them, and there is not a real problem with illegal immigration in Southern California.  </p>
<p>Then, I would think Michael would have no problem with closing the borders down to migrants, then, since they aren&#8217;t coming across by the hundreds of thousands.  Further if the problem of overcrowding in Calif is true, which he admits is possible, and it&#8217;s not due to illegal immigration (which has not increased much by his implication in 6 years), then it must be due to legal non-citizens.   So we need to severely limit legal non-residents in California.  </p>
<p>Shift it around, move the numbers, use the words you want,  the problem doesn&#8217;t go away, and you present no solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 17:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually this is my last post: Anyone who does not know that there is an immigration category of legal permanent residents who are not citizens has no business discussing immigration issues, period, until they get better informed.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 17:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw, are you sure you even looked at the report I cited? The headline refers in huge letters to the legal permanent resident population of the United States, also known as LPR. This is really my last post in this thread, so we can discuss this in a future thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, are you sure you even looked at the report I cited? The headline refers in huge letters to the legal permanent resident population of the United States, also known as LPR. This is really my last post in this thread, so we can discuss this in a future thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 16:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake, this is just nuts.  The report I cited clearly states that there are over 3 million noncitizen permanent residents in California as of 2003.  This is a recognized and legal immigration category in the United States. Are you telling me that everyone who lives in the United States who is not a citizen is here illegally? You've always seemed like a reasonable guy to me, so please go over all again and see if you still come up with this same conclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake, this is just nuts.  The report I cited clearly states that there are over 3 million noncitizen permanent residents in California as of 2003.  This is a recognized and legal immigration category in the United States. Are you telling me that everyone who lives in the United States who is not a citizen is here illegally? You&#8217;ve always seemed like a reasonable guy to me, so please go over all again and see if you still come up with this same conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Elmore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake Elmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 15:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read the definition again and my view still stands. The report identifies people living in Calif. The rest are not legal and unaturalized. They're illegal workers living in identifiable dwellings.</description>
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		<title>By: Jake Elmore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake Elmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 15:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Just because one is not a citizen does not mean one is illegal"

I don't know that to be the case and France is not California. We've gotten into this before with some other report. I don't buy your facts as to what that number means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just because one is not a citizen does not mean one is illegal&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know that to be the case and France is not California. We&#8217;ve gotten into this before with some other report. I don&#8217;t buy your facts as to what that number means.</p>
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		<title>By: UpTheAnte</title>
		<link>http://marccooper.com/the-great-but-my-granny-was-legal-myth/#comment-39588</link>
		<dc:creator>UpTheAnte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 09:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Lynn that there's the issue of large amounts of people, that if allowed to come unchecked may overwhelm what America has set up or is prepared to absorb. How much can be absord is a moral question. But considering that American citizens, indeed even those who risked life in Vietnam, are allowed to sleep on the streets, it serves as a barometer of what the general society is capbable of, not just to let happen to others, but doing for others. For others. Apathy v.s compassion.

One can argue that many of the illegals have lives already much worse than those of many angry American citizens do, considering what they had to do for a minimum-wage. Yet it's probably not wise to ignore the other's feelings. It's not realistic to force somebody to accept something. You have to educate them first, and the time seems not to be there at this moment.

The issue here though, is an issue comprised of several separate issues. There are those who support restrictions in illegal immigration, but see that as a separate problem from  what to do with the ones already here.

The fiercest divisions are established when it comes to how to treat the illegals in America, who some dismiss solely as "law-breakers". That, not just in my opinion, but as a matter of fact, is a shallow view that's prevalent enough to make a comprehensive approach difficult.

Then there are those who argue that by legalizing millions of illegals already in the US, the tide of illegals will only increase as a legalization would give hope to future undocumented immigrants that the same thing would happen later. Seriously, by any rational count, how can such an argument be dismissed? It's an argument in fact based on logic. 

But that's not where it ends. The more immediate, and humane aspect of the issue is the question of how illegals here deserve to be treated. That's where you have people one one side who're able to extend compassion to people even if they're not citizens. On the other side there is everyone from those with lesser hearts, to those who have rather good hearts, just not big enough.
That makes it harder. There are not just two groups where one is one extreme, and the other's another extreme. In that case it'd be easy to convince just one group, or at least many among them.

I believe it's a lazy convenience to reduce illegals to mere "law-breakers". It shows a narrow concept of the human condition. It ignores everything else about them, which include their life histories, their feelings, their values, their fates, and more, and is ignored so that the problem becomes simplistic to deal with. 
Some basically speak of  choking the illegals out of companies and jobs, and force them to return where they came from, by themselves. Instead of actively forcing them out, they'd be passively forced out. And what does this mean more closely? In what way do those making such statements view others? The way they speak of illegals, and how to essentially get rid of them, is the way some talk about pest eradication. They lay out in a mechanical, systematic manner, what steps need to be taken in order for people (read: human beings) to be forced to leave, by making it so that if they still decide to stay, they won't survive, or will have a miserable time. Basically, what you do, is what's physically nessecary to get certain "creatures" out of a designated area, based on what's efficient, and cost effective. When you buy cockroach poison at the grocery market, all you have in mind , is how to get rid of the roaches in the fastest, cheapest way. And some poisons sell really well. Because they work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Lynn that there&#8217;s the issue of large amounts of people, that if allowed to come unchecked may overwhelm what America has set up or is prepared to absorb. How much can be absord is a moral question. But considering that American citizens, indeed even those who risked life in Vietnam, are allowed to sleep on the streets, it serves as a barometer of what the general society is capbable of, not just to let happen to others, but doing for others. For others. Apathy v.s compassion.</p>
<p>One can argue that many of the illegals have lives already much worse than those of many angry American citizens do, considering what they had to do for a minimum-wage. Yet it&#8217;s probably not wise to ignore the other&#8217;s feelings. It&#8217;s not realistic to force somebody to accept something. You have to educate them first, and the time seems not to be there at this moment.</p>
<p>The issue here though, is an issue comprised of several separate issues. There are those who support restrictions in illegal immigration, but see that as a separate problem from  what to do with the ones already here.</p>
<p>The fiercest divisions are established when it comes to how to treat the illegals in America, who some dismiss solely as &#8220;law-breakers&#8221;. That, not just in my opinion, but as a matter of fact, is a shallow view that&#8217;s prevalent enough to make a comprehensive approach difficult.</p>
<p>Then there are those who argue that by legalizing millions of illegals already in the US, the tide of illegals will only increase as a legalization would give hope to future undocumented immigrants that the same thing would happen later. Seriously, by any rational count, how can such an argument be dismissed? It&#8217;s an argument in fact based on logic. </p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not where it ends. The more immediate, and humane aspect of the issue is the question of how illegals here deserve to be treated. That&#8217;s where you have people one one side who&#8217;re able to extend compassion to people even if they&#8217;re not citizens. On the other side there is everyone from those with lesser hearts, to those who have rather good hearts, just not big enough.<br />
That makes it harder. There are not just two groups where one is one extreme, and the other&#8217;s another extreme. In that case it&#8217;d be easy to convince just one group, or at least many among them.</p>
<p>I believe it&#8217;s a lazy convenience to reduce illegals to mere &#8220;law-breakers&#8221;. It shows a narrow concept of the human condition. It ignores everything else about them, which include their life histories, their feelings, their values, their fates, and more, and is ignored so that the problem becomes simplistic to deal with.<br />
Some basically speak of  choking the illegals out of companies and jobs, and force them to return where they came from, by themselves. Instead of actively forcing them out, they&#8217;d be passively forced out. And what does this mean more closely? In what way do those making such statements view others? The way they speak of illegals, and how to essentially get rid of them, is the way some talk about pest eradication. They lay out in a mechanical, systematic manner, what steps need to be taken in order for people (read: human beings) to be forced to leave, by making it so that if they still decide to stay, they won&#8217;t survive, or will have a miserable time. Basically, what you do, is what&#8217;s physically nessecary to get certain &#8220;creatures&#8221; out of a designated area, based on what&#8217;s efficient, and cost effective. When you buy cockroach poison at the grocery market, all you have in mind , is how to get rid of the roaches in the fastest, cheapest way. And some poisons sell really well. Because they work.</p>
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