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]]> By: reg http://marccooper.com/the-other-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-281651 reg Thu, 18 Jan 2007 02:57:49 +0000 http://marccooper.com/the-other-surge/#comment-281651 "Stabilizing Afghanistan, then providing support to President Musharrif to stabilize Pakistan’s west Provinces would have made the world a better place...Bush is no friend of true Conservatism." But they didn't...and conservatives - "true" ones, so far as I can tell - overwhelmingly followed Bush like lemmings in support of the current Iraq disaster. I don't know what the kids at the Corner are if they're not "true conservatives". I enjoy the Buchanan conservatives taking shots at Bush, but the reality is that Pat broke rather sharply with contemporary mainstream conservatism - which has been in love with imperial power ever since Taft left town with little more than his dog in tow. "True conservatism" is about as relevant in the wake of the actually existing Conservative Ascendency of the past three decades as Trotsky's minions were in bemoaning his plight and touting "true Communism". Nobody will much care. “Stabilizing Afghanistan, then providing support to President Musharrif to stabilize Pakistan’s west Provinces would have made the world a better place…Bush is no friend of true Conservatism.”

But they didn’t…and conservatives – “true” ones, so far as I can tell – overwhelmingly followed Bush like lemmings in support of the current Iraq disaster. I don’t know what the kids at the Corner are if they’re not “true conservatives”. I enjoy the Buchanan conservatives taking shots at Bush, but the reality is that Pat broke rather sharply with contemporary mainstream conservatism – which has been in love with imperial power ever since Taft left town with little more than his dog in tow.

“True conservatism” is about as relevant in the wake of the actually existing Conservative Ascendency of the past three decades as Trotsky’s minions were in bemoaning his plight and touting “true Communism”. Nobody will much care.

]]> By: richard locicero http://marccooper.com/the-other-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-281605 richard locicero Thu, 18 Jan 2007 01:20:54 +0000 http://marccooper.com/the-other-surge/#comment-281605 All these conservatives suddenly discovering how reckless and foolish the Decider-In-Chief is. MY! MY! Where were they in 2004 when it was obvious that this clown was in over his head? All these conservatives suddenly discovering how reckless and foolish the Decider-In-Chief is. MY! MY! Where were they in 2004 when it was obvious that this clown was in over his head?

]]> By: Robert Pratt http://marccooper.com/the-other-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-281448 Robert Pratt Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:45:04 +0000 http://marccooper.com/the-other-surge/#comment-281448 "The good news: this isn't civil war". No it isn't. A civil war generally involves clearly definable battle lines, few primary actors, and definitive regions of control. Iraq has all of the conditions necessary for civil war, but none of the principal actors can gather enough support to make it a reality. What is happening in Iraq is called 'low intensity conflict'. It could go on for decades. It will, no matter what the US does now. Iraq will become a proxy fight between growing Iranian (Shia) influence and the spineless (Sunni) governments of Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Little Bush wanted a Great War to mark his Presidency. Even his father knew during the Gulf War (as tanks were racing across the desert) that topppling Saddam wouldn't be a good idea, and told his army to stop at the magical 100 hours. But Little Bush has to show that he is not pappy's boy, and now his Presidency will always be marked with an asterix. What a way to leave a mark. Little side note: 3000+ US soldiers have been killed in Iraq. Does anyone know that there are 20,000+ additional soldiers who are considered casualties? A casualty can live for decades completely paralyzed, or with no arms and legs, or with massive brain trauma and never recognize their own children. Bush should have finished Afghanistan completely before choosing to engage everyone else. America had HUGE support for that one, but then seemingly forgot all about it, except as a few footnotes in situational briefing reports from CENTCOM. Stabilizing Afghanistan, then providing support to President Musharrif to stabilize Pakistan's west Provinces would have made the world a better place. Dismantling a brutal but effectively stable regime went completely against the character of US Foreign Policy for the last 100 years, but the full fruits of that deviation won't be known for some time (the next, or the next after Presidency). Bush is no friend of true Conservatism. “The good news: this isn’t civil war”.

No it isn’t. A civil war generally involves clearly definable battle lines, few primary actors, and definitive regions of control.

Iraq has all of the conditions necessary for civil war, but none of the principal actors can gather enough support to make it a reality.

What is happening in Iraq is called ‘low intensity conflict’. It could go on for decades. It will, no matter what the US does now. Iraq will become a proxy fight between growing Iranian (Shia) influence and the spineless (Sunni) governments of Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

Little Bush wanted a Great War to mark his Presidency. Even his father knew during the Gulf War (as tanks were racing across the desert) that topppling Saddam wouldn’t be a good idea, and told his army to stop at the magical 100 hours. But Little Bush has to show that he is not pappy’s boy, and now his Presidency will always be marked with an asterix.

What a way to leave a mark.

Little side note: 3000+ US soldiers have been killed in Iraq. Does anyone know that there are 20,000+ additional soldiers who are considered casualties? A casualty can live for decades completely paralyzed, or with no arms and legs, or with massive brain trauma and never recognize their own children.

Bush should have finished Afghanistan completely before choosing to engage everyone else. America had HUGE support for that one, but then seemingly forgot all about it, except as a few footnotes in situational briefing reports from CENTCOM.

Stabilizing Afghanistan, then providing support to President Musharrif to stabilize Pakistan’s west Provinces would have made the world a better place.

Dismantling a brutal but effectively stable regime went completely against the character of US Foreign Policy for the last 100 years, but the full fruits of that deviation won’t be known for some time (the next, or the next after Presidency).

Bush is no friend of true Conservatism.

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]]> By: Michael Turner http://marccooper.com/the-other-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-280567 Michael Turner Wed, 17 Jan 2007 06:26:54 +0000 http://marccooper.com/the-other-surge/#comment-280567 And the UN estimate is probably an understatement, if you believe the Lancet study. (Which I do, at least statistically -- I don't believe in hard numbers on this issue.) "Does this imply the US killed this many ...." Oh please. What part of "civil war" (not to mention "corrupt and feeble police force") didn't you understand? " .... and that’s the goal?" Why would it be the goal? “40% of Iraqi middle-class believed to have fled crumbling nation.” Sad. Iraq is becoming our Palestine, where it isn't already our Lebanon. We're managing to flush out precisely the kind of people who could save Iraq from itself. How nice to have even more in common with Israel. And the UN estimate is probably an understatement, if you believe the Lancet study. (Which I do, at least statistically — I don’t believe in hard numbers on this issue.)

“Does this imply the US killed this many ….”

Oh please. What part of “civil war” (not to mention “corrupt and feeble police force”) didn’t you understand?

” …. and that’s the goal?”

Why would it be the goal?

“40% of Iraqi middle-class believed to have fled crumbling nation.”

Sad. Iraq is becoming our Palestine, where it isn’t already our Lebanon. We’re managing to flush out precisely the kind of people who could save Iraq from itself. How nice to have even more in common with Israel.

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]]> By: reg http://marccooper.com/the-other-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-279708 reg Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:49:54 +0000 http://marccooper.com/the-other-surge/#comment-279708 One more "surge"... My morning Chron has a frontpage headline - "40% of Iraqi middle-class believed to have fled crumbling nation." One more “surge”…

My morning Chron has a frontpage headline – “40% of Iraqi middle-class believed to have fled crumbling nation.”

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