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		<title>By: JulieB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JulieB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in the advertising end of the &quot;dying newspapers&quot;.  I have was laid off 3 times last year and I have finally hung up my shingles from the print media and internet news advertising business.  I found a pretty good job outside of it and yes there is life outside of it. I have found in the advertising side of it that businessmen and private party people are less interested in the news then they are in the
affectiveness or the results end of advertising their products. &quot;That is will it sell my products and create a profit for me&quot;. Used to be a time when people bought newspapers only for the advertisements and coupons but they have stopped doing that too. I think the newspapers have outpriced themselves in the cost of classified and display so much that businesses and private party can&#039;t afford the ads. As far the news end of it, people have stopped reading papers because newspaper are only interested in pleasing their investors instead of the consumers. They are much too afraid of making their stockholders angry! So, that takes care of the free speech end of it cause it doesn&#039;t exist anymore. The LA Times and The New York Times as well as other papers have become little kingdoms, The Chicago Tribune is one of them and they own Newsday and The LA Times as well as other newspapers and media groups. These newspapers can&#039;t even control what is happening in their own localities so how can they control what is happening in another part of the country. In my opinion, it wasn&#039;t only the internet that caused their downfall, it was more their arrogants in thinking that they could become giant corporations to solve all their problems. In reality that is why they couldn&#039;t even watch their journalists because the CEOs were too busy making statistical charts instead of watching the real meat and potatoes of reporting the news and creating more cost effective advertsing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in the advertising end of the &#8220;dying newspapers&#8221;.  I have was laid off 3 times last year and I have finally hung up my shingles from the print media and internet news advertising business.  I found a pretty good job outside of it and yes there is life outside of it. I have found in the advertising side of it that businessmen and private party people are less interested in the news then they are in the<br />
affectiveness or the results end of advertising their products. &#8220;That is will it sell my products and create a profit for me&#8221;. Used to be a time when people bought newspapers only for the advertisements and coupons but they have stopped doing that too. I think the newspapers have outpriced themselves in the cost of classified and display so much that businesses and private party can&#8217;t afford the ads. As far the news end of it, people have stopped reading papers because newspaper are only interested in pleasing their investors instead of the consumers. They are much too afraid of making their stockholders angry! So, that takes care of the free speech end of it cause it doesn&#8217;t exist anymore. The LA Times and The New York Times as well as other papers have become little kingdoms, The Chicago Tribune is one of them and they own Newsday and The LA Times as well as other newspapers and media groups. These newspapers can&#8217;t even control what is happening in their own localities so how can they control what is happening in another part of the country. In my opinion, it wasn&#8217;t only the internet that caused their downfall, it was more their arrogants in thinking that they could become giant corporations to solve all their problems. In reality that is why they couldn&#8217;t even watch their journalists because the CEOs were too busy making statistical charts instead of watching the real meat and potatoes of reporting the news and creating more cost effective advertsing.</p>
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		<title>By: WitnessLA.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Future of Journalism: Part 3,675 - The Good News</title>
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		<dc:creator>WitnessLA.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Future of Journalism: Part 3,675 - The Good News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] political-strategist/mid-east-tell-it-like-it-is-ist/reporter. (Blogfather, Marc Cooper has already ripped Rainey&#8217;s column to shreds quite [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reg Says: 
February 12th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Rob G - if you’ve quit watching cable TV I guarantee your IQ will go up at least 7-8 points - maybe as much as 15.

(nicked from Frank Rich NYT 2/15/08...talking to Axelrod in re Obama getting the Stimulus passed)

“It’s why our campaign was not based in Washington but in Chicago,” he said. “We were somewhat insulated from the echo chamber. In the summer of ’07, the conventional wisdom was that Obama was a shooting star; his campaign was irretrievably lost; it was a ludicrous strategy to focus on Iowa; and we were falling further and further behind in the national polls.” But even after the Iowa victory, this same syndrome kept repeating itself. When Obama came out against the gas-tax holiday supported by both McCain and Clinton last spring, Axelrod recalled, “everyone in D.C. thought we were committing suicide.”

The stimulus battle was more of the same. “This town talks to itself and whips itself into a frenzy with its own theories that are completely at odds with what the rest of America is thinking,” he says. Once the frenzy got going, it didn’t matter that most polls showed support for Obama and his economic package: “If you watched cable TV, you’d see our support was plummeting, we were in trouble. It was almost like living in a parallel universe.” 

For Axelrod, the moral is “not just that Washington is too insular but that the American people are a lot smarter than people in Washington think.”

Doggone it, I feel smarter already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reg Says:<br />
February 12th, 2009 at 2:55 pm<br />
Rob G &#8211; if you’ve quit watching cable TV I guarantee your IQ will go up at least 7-8 points &#8211; maybe as much as 15.</p>
<p>(nicked from Frank Rich NYT 2/15/08&#8230;talking to Axelrod in re Obama getting the Stimulus passed)</p>
<p>“It’s why our campaign was not based in Washington but in Chicago,” he said. “We were somewhat insulated from the echo chamber. In the summer of ’07, the conventional wisdom was that Obama was a shooting star; his campaign was irretrievably lost; it was a ludicrous strategy to focus on Iowa; and we were falling further and further behind in the national polls.” But even after the Iowa victory, this same syndrome kept repeating itself. When Obama came out against the gas-tax holiday supported by both McCain and Clinton last spring, Axelrod recalled, “everyone in D.C. thought we were committing suicide.”</p>
<p>The stimulus battle was more of the same. “This town talks to itself and whips itself into a frenzy with its own theories that are completely at odds with what the rest of America is thinking,” he says. Once the frenzy got going, it didn’t matter that most polls showed support for Obama and his economic package: “If you watched cable TV, you’d see our support was plummeting, we were in trouble. It was almost like living in a parallel universe.” </p>
<p>For Axelrod, the moral is “not just that Washington is too insular but that the American people are a lot smarter than people in Washington think.”</p>
<p>Doggone it, I feel smarter already.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jim h - Rachel panders to a better class of viewers.  I like her earnestness, but the more I watch her show the more I feel like I can predict every angle. Even her quips.  And I can&#039;t stand watching Olberman, except when I&#039;m in the mood for humor (sometimes unintentional) and Stewart isn&#039;t on. I&#039;m not saying absolutely all TV opining is utterly stupid, but Rob can get Bill Moyers - who actually does engage in provocative discussions - with rabbit ears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jim h &#8211; Rachel panders to a better class of viewers.  I like her earnestness, but the more I watch her show the more I feel like I can predict every angle. Even her quips.  And I can&#8217;t stand watching Olberman, except when I&#8217;m in the mood for humor (sometimes unintentional) and Stewart isn&#8217;t on. I&#8217;m not saying absolutely all TV opining is utterly stupid, but Rob can get Bill Moyers &#8211; who actually does engage in provocative discussions &#8211; with rabbit ears.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob G--thanks, I think, for the link to Sudoku.  Now I have access to another distraction here at work.

At least some of our LAT machines take all coins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob G&#8211;thanks, I think, for the link to Sudoku.  Now I have access to another distraction here at work.</p>
<p>At least some of our LAT machines take all coins.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Balter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Balter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listened to your talk, good job Marc.</description>
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		<title>By: tom tompkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom tompkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 02:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i can relate to rainey&#039;s frustration, but kicking dirt at bloggers misses the point, as you point out. most news-related blogs are solo or small group efforts, and provide the response part in a call-and-response with news as it&#039;s reported around the world. most offer opinion about facts that a blogger has collected from original reporting. a few - like huffington post (at the obama press conference, for instance) - do original reporting; perhaps the seeds of some new paradigm can be found there.

but as paper after paper close out-of-town (or local, for that matter) bureaus, there is less original reporting happening - with no end in sight as the bleeding continues.  for instance today i read at laobserved.com that the chicago trib is shutting its jerusalem bureau. while citizen journalists in israel can (and will) provide text and video reporting in the future, this is rarely a substitute for journalists employed by a news organization - especially at news-worthy moments when emotions are running high. it doesn&#039;t mean that citizen j&#039;s are bad - they add an amazing new element to how we can understand events in the world. but they shouldn&#039;t be depended upon to substitute for what we&#039;ve had in the past - especially if they want to be.

the problem is two-fold: there&#039;s a question of training - the quality of the reporting. and there&#039;s money, because it takes $$ to underwrite investigation, to sustain a reporter, etc. 

the staff of an endeavor like neon-tommy - j-students, i think - can fill some holes in l.a., because it&#039;s got a staff whose business it is to stay on top of things. but on larger, far-flung issues and events, we - readers or all kinds, bloggers, you, and me - depend on news organizations that sponsor, screen, and distribute content.

i attended the november conference at usc - slow food or slow journalism, or whatever it was called. and it was hopeful as far as promoting a focused, diy approach to the future of journalism. but i felt it still left a lot of questions unanswered when it comes to floating important ventures, no matter how sharp the insights or how strong the will of any individual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i can relate to rainey&#8217;s frustration, but kicking dirt at bloggers misses the point, as you point out. most news-related blogs are solo or small group efforts, and provide the response part in a call-and-response with news as it&#8217;s reported around the world. most offer opinion about facts that a blogger has collected from original reporting. a few &#8211; like huffington post (at the obama press conference, for instance) &#8211; do original reporting; perhaps the seeds of some new paradigm can be found there.</p>
<p>but as paper after paper close out-of-town (or local, for that matter) bureaus, there is less original reporting happening &#8211; with no end in sight as the bleeding continues.  for instance today i read at laobserved.com that the chicago trib is shutting its jerusalem bureau. while citizen journalists in israel can (and will) provide text and video reporting in the future, this is rarely a substitute for journalists employed by a news organization &#8211; especially at news-worthy moments when emotions are running high. it doesn&#8217;t mean that citizen j&#8217;s are bad &#8211; they add an amazing new element to how we can understand events in the world. but they shouldn&#8217;t be depended upon to substitute for what we&#8217;ve had in the past &#8211; especially if they want to be.</p>
<p>the problem is two-fold: there&#8217;s a question of training &#8211; the quality of the reporting. and there&#8217;s money, because it takes $$ to underwrite investigation, to sustain a reporter, etc. </p>
<p>the staff of an endeavor like neon-tommy &#8211; j-students, i think &#8211; can fill some holes in l.a., because it&#8217;s got a staff whose business it is to stay on top of things. but on larger, far-flung issues and events, we &#8211; readers or all kinds, bloggers, you, and me &#8211; depend on news organizations that sponsor, screen, and distribute content.</p>
<p>i attended the november conference at usc &#8211; slow food or slow journalism, or whatever it was called. and it was hopeful as far as promoting a focused, diy approach to the future of journalism. but i felt it still left a lot of questions unanswered when it comes to floating important ventures, no matter how sharp the insights or how strong the will of any individual.</p>
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		<title>By: jim hitchcock</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim hitchcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, Reg...Rachel Maddow makes me think! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, Reg&#8230;Rachel Maddow makes me think! <img src='http://marccooper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob G - if you&#039;ve quit watching cable TV I guarantee your IQ will go up at least 7-8 points - maybe as much as 15.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob G &#8211; if you&#8217;ve quit watching cable TV I guarantee your IQ will go up at least 7-8 points &#8211; maybe as much as 15.</p>
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		<title>By: bob williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The newspaper business can still be lucrative, if one is bold and creative.

http://www.inyork.com/state/ci_11582202</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The newspaper business can still be lucrative, if one is bold and creative.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.inyork.com/state/ci_11582202" rel="nofollow">http://www.inyork.com/state/ci_11582202</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael -- you might have a good hunch about Mr. Rainey&#039;s survival guilt.

http://games.latimes.com/

Unfortunately the LAT racks only take quarters.  Wish it weren&#039;t so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael &#8212; you might have a good hunch about Mr. Rainey&#8217;s survival guilt.</p>
<p><a href="http://games.latimes.com/" rel="nofollow">http://games.latimes.com/</a></p>
<p>Unfortunately the LAT racks only take quarters.  Wish it weren&#8217;t so.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Crosby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob G--one way to at least delay the day when you stop spending 75 cents for the LAT is to find a machine that takes nickels, dimes, even pennies.  This is a good way to drain the  change jar (or sock, or...)  My machine takes &quot;any coin combination,&quot;  One problem with the resort to the on-line medium is that I don&#039;t think you get Sudoku or crossword that way.

As for Mr. Rainey, he is no doubt conscious that today&#039;s &quot;real&quot; journalist is tomorrow&#039;s &quot;citizen&quot; journalist.  Even as he waves the flag for the former, he is one bad corporate quarter from the latter.  I&#039;m sure he has been in touch with his former colleagues who have been crushed under the weight of the free market economy.  That said, he seems to be fending off &quot;survivor&#039;s guilt&quot; rather successfully.

Myself, I preserve my amateur status zealously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob G&#8211;one way to at least delay the day when you stop spending 75 cents for the LAT is to find a machine that takes nickels, dimes, even pennies.  This is a good way to drain the  change jar (or sock, or&#8230;)  My machine takes &#8220;any coin combination,&#8221;  One problem with the resort to the on-line medium is that I don&#8217;t think you get Sudoku or crossword that way.</p>
<p>As for Mr. Rainey, he is no doubt conscious that today&#8217;s &#8220;real&#8221; journalist is tomorrow&#8217;s &#8220;citizen&#8221; journalist.  Even as he waves the flag for the former, he is one bad corporate quarter from the latter.  I&#8217;m sure he has been in touch with his former colleagues who have been crushed under the weight of the free market economy.  That said, he seems to be fending off &#8220;survivor&#8217;s guilt&#8221; rather successfully.</p>
<p>Myself, I preserve my amateur status zealously.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Grocholski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Grocholski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why Newspaper are Dying -- great column Marc (and excellent points Listener &amp; reg, too).

This recession thingy has hit our household, in re news and media.  In the past month my girlfriend and I decided that some things had to go.  Cable subcription -- nixed.  Hello Hulu Free TV.  75 cents for the LA Times -- don&#039;t they realize that that&#039;s a serious problem with one&#039;s ability to horde away laundry quarters.  Reading it on line without the burden of recycling.  

Not having the quick access of the remote to dial in cable news had created some withdrawal cravings, but those passed within a few days.  On the other hand, our Bookmark Menus have gotten very, very long.  There&#039;s piles of good stuff out there.  We&#039;ve got our favorites well honed.  

Imo, a few of the newspapers have actually gotten better by adding the on line component, even as they financially suffer at the news racks.  The Detroit Free Press is a good example (although to be honest, having a huge target like the human crime wave that was Mayor Kilpatrick probably made it easier.)  Meanwhile the venerable Cleveland Plain Dealer seems to have slipped quite a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why Newspaper are Dying &#8212; great column Marc (and excellent points Listener &amp; reg, too).</p>
<p>This recession thingy has hit our household, in re news and media.  In the past month my girlfriend and I decided that some things had to go.  Cable subcription &#8212; nixed.  Hello Hulu Free TV.  75 cents for the LA Times &#8212; don&#8217;t they realize that that&#8217;s a serious problem with one&#8217;s ability to horde away laundry quarters.  Reading it on line without the burden of recycling.  </p>
<p>Not having the quick access of the remote to dial in cable news had created some withdrawal cravings, but those passed within a few days.  On the other hand, our Bookmark Menus have gotten very, very long.  There&#8217;s piles of good stuff out there.  We&#8217;ve got our favorites well honed.  </p>
<p>Imo, a few of the newspapers have actually gotten better by adding the on line component, even as they financially suffer at the news racks.  The Detroit Free Press is a good example (although to be honest, having a huge target like the human crime wave that was Mayor Kilpatrick probably made it easier.)  Meanwhile the venerable Cleveland Plain Dealer seems to have slipped quite a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;accessories to murder like William Kristol and Charles Krauthammer&quot;

 The world would be a better place - and the world of journalism would be raising its standards - if Michael Green, of whom the only thing I know is that he shows up periodically to comment at Marc&#039;s blog,  was put in  charge of the Washington Post editorial page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;accessories to murder like William Kristol and Charles Krauthammer&#8221;</p>
<p> The world would be a better place &#8211; and the world of journalism would be raising its standards &#8211; if Michael Green, of whom the only thing I know is that he shows up periodically to comment at Marc&#8217;s blog,  was put in  charge of the Washington Post editorial page.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think of Timothy Crouse&#039;s quote in The Boys on the Bus that if David Broder, who was then a journalist and not the pale shadow of a journalist he has since become, quit The Washington Post and put out a political tip sheet on a mimeograph machine, everyone would read it.  That, to some degree, has come to pass, via the internet, that it makes it possible for someone to be a journalist without the good restrictions of careful editing--which doesn&#039;t seem to exist in most of today&#039;s dailies anyway--and the bad restrictions that daily newspapers put on their reporters.  The sneering at bloggers is deserved when the bloggers are being stupid or just fulminating without knowing the facts (for example, some of the stuff on Fire Dog Lake).  But that makes them no different than serial propagandists like George Will and accessories to murder like William Kristol and Charles Krauthammer, whom the mainstream media continue to lionize.  That helps explain, too, why newspapers are dying:  their hubris and disdain for the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think of Timothy Crouse&#8217;s quote in The Boys on the Bus that if David Broder, who was then a journalist and not the pale shadow of a journalist he has since become, quit The Washington Post and put out a political tip sheet on a mimeograph machine, everyone would read it.  That, to some degree, has come to pass, via the internet, that it makes it possible for someone to be a journalist without the good restrictions of careful editing&#8211;which doesn&#8217;t seem to exist in most of today&#8217;s dailies anyway&#8211;and the bad restrictions that daily newspapers put on their reporters.  The sneering at bloggers is deserved when the bloggers are being stupid or just fulminating without knowing the facts (for example, some of the stuff on Fire Dog Lake).  But that makes them no different than serial propagandists like George Will and accessories to murder like William Kristol and Charles Krauthammer, whom the mainstream media continue to lionize.  That helps explain, too, why newspapers are dying:  their hubris and disdain for the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;What Newspapers Could Do&lt;/b&gt;

Be more entertaining and be real...like &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7ehlw_phys&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;these news guys&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.</description>
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<p>Be more entertaining and be real&#8230;like <b><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7ehlw_phys" rel="nofollow">these news guys</a></b>.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Why Newspapers Are Dying&lt;/b&gt;

Because they earned it and deserve it.</description>
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<p>Because they earned it and deserve it.</p>
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		<title>By: Listener</title>
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		<dc:creator>Listener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it is true that nature abhors a vacuum, then the demise of print media, the loss of broadcast viewers, and the rise of &lt;i&gt;citizen journalists&lt;/i&gt; is easily understood.  And, &lt;i&gt;choice&lt;/i&gt; (that bedrock of the free-market to which Rainey alludes) is the motivator for the conditions he finds so threatening.

What I find so offensive in Rainey&#039;s lament is his reference to the presumptive needs of a democracy.  It&#039;s hard for me to imagine a democracy that could be more poorly served than by the press that we have now.

I got directed to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg/why-did-obama-diss-helen_b_165544.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this piece&lt;/a&gt; by a commenter in a thread of a different blog yesterday.  MJ Rosenberg was describing the interchange between Obama and Helen Thomas.  Ms. Thomas had the audacity to ask, &lt;i&gt;does he know of any Middle Eastern state with nukes?&lt;/i&gt;  Obama didn&#039;t answer with what every marginally intelligent blog reader knows; Israel.  And, why not?  Rosenberg asserts,
&lt;blockquote&gt;Simple. Because if he did, the media would have reported it as a gaffe. Reporters either know nothing about the Middle East or, for the most part, have adopted Israel&#039;s perspective.

Had Obama spoken the truth, the media would have made his &quot;blunder&quot; the story of the night.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
Our folly in the middle east is a critical issue for this democratic society in which we presume to participate.  And, long before we were pouring dollars into the gaping maw of the banks, we were pouring dollars into the military adventure in Afghanistan and Iraq.  And, before that Israel.  Dollars we can ill afford.

I&#039;d be most pleased if I could find a decent discussion of our middle east policies in Rainey&#039;s newspaper.  Maybe he could step up and see if he could discuss Israel within the context of nuclear proliferation the next time someone decides it&#039;s time to get hysterical over Iran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it is true that nature abhors a vacuum, then the demise of print media, the loss of broadcast viewers, and the rise of <i>citizen journalists</i> is easily understood.  And, <i>choice</i> (that bedrock of the free-market to which Rainey alludes) is the motivator for the conditions he finds so threatening.</p>
<p>What I find so offensive in Rainey&#8217;s lament is his reference to the presumptive needs of a democracy.  It&#8217;s hard for me to imagine a democracy that could be more poorly served than by the press that we have now.</p>
<p>I got directed to <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg/why-did-obama-diss-helen_b_165544.html" rel="nofollow">this piece</a> by a commenter in a thread of a different blog yesterday.  MJ Rosenberg was describing the interchange between Obama and Helen Thomas.  Ms. Thomas had the audacity to ask, <i>does he know of any Middle Eastern state with nukes?</i>  Obama didn&#8217;t answer with what every marginally intelligent blog reader knows; Israel.  And, why not?  Rosenberg asserts,</p>
<blockquote><p>Simple. Because if he did, the media would have reported it as a gaffe. Reporters either know nothing about the Middle East or, for the most part, have adopted Israel&#8217;s perspective.</p>
<p>Had Obama spoken the truth, the media would have made his &#8220;blunder&#8221; the story of the night.</p></blockquote>
<p>Our folly in the middle east is a critical issue for this democratic society in which we presume to participate.  And, long before we were pouring dollars into the gaping maw of the banks, we were pouring dollars into the military adventure in Afghanistan and Iraq.  And, before that Israel.  Dollars we can ill afford.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be most pleased if I could find a decent discussion of our middle east policies in Rainey&#8217;s newspaper.  Maybe he could step up and see if he could discuss Israel within the context of nuclear proliferation the next time someone decides it&#8217;s time to get hysterical over Iran.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mea culpa, I didn&#039;t read the piece, but I think there&#039;s a fair point - that as you note also applies to &quot;real&quot; - i.e. paid and presumably trained in some fashion - journalists.  There are many of them out there who &quot;play&quot; journalist (hint: turn on your cable news channels) and any enterprise that has some pretense of covering or commenting on current affairs is going to have to win an audience.  

The fact is that, while most blogs obviously suck, so do most newspapers - even most major metro ones (I won&#039;t mention any names - &quot;Bay Area&quot;...oooops) which is far more disgraceful than the fact that Joe the Plumber is an idiot or some LaLaland schmuck  who apparently can&#039;t get his screenplays produced anymore sent him to Israel to taunt Israeli reporters.  

The truth is what Judith Miller did to the reputation of the New York Times is worse than anything anyone could do to the reputation of PJMania. And I&#039;m a faithful reader of the Times, which is IMHO the only printed paper left in the US worth reading or that serves as a truly global information resource - although other &quot;old media&quot; resources such as the McClatchy Bureau (ironically a chain of small city  papers whose reporting I&#039;d take over the LA Times or Chicago Tribune in a minute) and the Christian Science Monitor - now web-based - provide some excellent journalism. WSJ is obviously a very mixed, erratic bag. 

So yes, &quot;nuevo&quot; journalism has to prove itself.  And at this point I&#039;d consider Josh Marshall/TPM  a pro operation, not an amateur blogger, precisely because they have proven themselves. It should also be noted that some of the best political and general commentary blogs are operations that have been adopted by &quot;professional&quot; journalistic enterprises like Washington Monthly, American Prospect, the Atlantic and Mother Jones.  And the Washington Post snatched up some very good talent from TPM, while TPM hired a well-known professional journalist away from Time.  So these are not totally seperate worlds anymore in the upper echelons.  Also various web operations serve different purposes -  Kos is an attempt to organize, energize a political network, while TPM is a news-investigative site with clear political leanings (although it&#039;s sub-site TPM-Cafe is an effort to create an interactive blogging community.)  

It&#039;s an interesting world - one in which an upstart &quot;blogger&quot; (in fact, a paid reporter who files very respectable copy) for the crazy-quilt (and I mean that in a good way) Huffington Post asks an incisive, challenging question at the Obama press conference and some serious, schooled sage from the Washington Post grins and asks the President about A-Rod in the midst of the most serious economic crisis in decades and two wars.  So, yeah, people have to earn respect in their chosen field, earn their audience, demonstrate their skill and evolve sustainable business models -  some of which will be non-traditional in the evolving wired media world, such as non-profits - if they want to work full-time and be paid.  Who knew ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mea culpa, I didn&#8217;t read the piece, but I think there&#8217;s a fair point &#8211; that as you note also applies to &#8220;real&#8221; &#8211; i.e. paid and presumably trained in some fashion &#8211; journalists.  There are many of them out there who &#8220;play&#8221; journalist (hint: turn on your cable news channels) and any enterprise that has some pretense of covering or commenting on current affairs is going to have to win an audience.  </p>
<p>The fact is that, while most blogs obviously suck, so do most newspapers &#8211; even most major metro ones (I won&#8217;t mention any names &#8211; &#8220;Bay Area&#8221;&#8230;oooops) which is far more disgraceful than the fact that Joe the Plumber is an idiot or some LaLaland schmuck  who apparently can&#8217;t get his screenplays produced anymore sent him to Israel to taunt Israeli reporters.  </p>
<p>The truth is what Judith Miller did to the reputation of the New York Times is worse than anything anyone could do to the reputation of PJMania. And I&#8217;m a faithful reader of the Times, which is IMHO the only printed paper left in the US worth reading or that serves as a truly global information resource &#8211; although other &#8220;old media&#8221; resources such as the McClatchy Bureau (ironically a chain of small city  papers whose reporting I&#8217;d take over the LA Times or Chicago Tribune in a minute) and the Christian Science Monitor &#8211; now web-based &#8211; provide some excellent journalism. WSJ is obviously a very mixed, erratic bag. </p>
<p>So yes, &#8220;nuevo&#8221; journalism has to prove itself.  And at this point I&#8217;d consider Josh Marshall/TPM  a pro operation, not an amateur blogger, precisely because they have proven themselves. It should also be noted that some of the best political and general commentary blogs are operations that have been adopted by &#8220;professional&#8221; journalistic enterprises like Washington Monthly, American Prospect, the Atlantic and Mother Jones.  And the Washington Post snatched up some very good talent from TPM, while TPM hired a well-known professional journalist away from Time.  So these are not totally seperate worlds anymore in the upper echelons.  Also various web operations serve different purposes &#8211;  Kos is an attempt to organize, energize a political network, while TPM is a news-investigative site with clear political leanings (although it&#8217;s sub-site TPM-Cafe is an effort to create an interactive blogging community.)  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s an interesting world &#8211; one in which an upstart &#8220;blogger&#8221; (in fact, a paid reporter who files very respectable copy) for the crazy-quilt (and I mean that in a good way) Huffington Post asks an incisive, challenging question at the Obama press conference and some serious, schooled sage from the Washington Post grins and asks the President about A-Rod in the midst of the most serious economic crisis in decades and two wars.  So, yeah, people have to earn respect in their chosen field, earn their audience, demonstrate their skill and evolve sustainable business models &#8211;  some of which will be non-traditional in the evolving wired media world, such as non-profits &#8211; if they want to work full-time and be paid.  Who knew ?</p>
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		<title>By: Omar Amer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omar Amer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc, most excellent. I&#039;ll be succinct.
Familiar points, well illumed.  Good show, well cohesed riposte. Agree fully.

regards and salutations,

-Omar</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc, most excellent. I&#8217;ll be succinct.<br />
Familiar points, well illumed.  Good show, well cohesed riposte. Agree fully.</p>
<p>regards and salutations,</p>
<p>-Omar</p>
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